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2012 - A Message Of Hope.

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The pace is quickening and it's more important now (as it always has been) to start building our Sikhi jeevans. People are beginning to question their existence in the world and Sikhs should help guide humanity.

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Will anybody listen?

What really annoys me about some Sikhs (certainly those in the UK as I can't speak for any of our Canadian and American brothers and sisters) is when these same people underestimate Sikhi and throw it into the pile of 'organised religion' with the rest of them. But then I look at the people who purport to represent the faith and I think to myself "Well no wonder people are being dissuaded from our religion if you're meant to be the best we've got".

The more I look into our faith and begin to learn of it's doctrines on a deeper level, the more I'm beginning to realise that the 'modern' interpretation of Sikhi is very much about the things that the likes of Bluck, Russell and Toynbee were waxing lyrical Sikhi wasn't about!

I'll be frank (possibly more than I should be there you go) but I personally I find the numerous school of thoughts, the sampradhiyas, the jathebandiya to be completely overwhelming. Nevermind about wondering whether Sikhi is the right way (it is, if Guru Granth Sahib Ji is your only guide - this much I do know) but which sub-group within Sikhi espouses the true way as prescribed by our Gurus? Which form of Sikhi was their ideal vision and the one I should be following today? A person worries whether they'll be punished for following a certain branch of Sikhi by overlooking another branch of the faith. I know, this may sound quite childish but just reading the myriad of topics on doctrine (on this site) does that to a person who is attempting to breach the surface (in terms of wishing to progress in their learning about the faith) and therefore whose mind is still in the process of absorbing and learning.

Anyway, I am glad Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Dasme Paatshah's Gurbani is the resolute, irremovable truth and no matter how my mind flounders and thrashes, I can always find solace in the 'charan' of our Guru.

I know for a fact these these thoughts and concerns are shared by many other Sikhs finding their way, but unfortunately they see the roadblocks in their path and turn away. I do not have the luxury of turning away as I have nothing to turn to. Hence my desire to get to the heart of the situation. But yes, there is something supremely special about 2012 so far in terms of spirituality. I wish all of my Sikh brothers and sisters of varying levels of adherence (or even none at all) find something of value in our faith, and I hope they discover that Sikhi is more than just a religion to follow blindly and dogmatically, but it is a system which is of vital importance to our daily survival as something as elementary as breathing is.
Mera Vaid Guru Govinda, Janam Janam ke Dhuk Nivaare, Sookha Mansa Dhaare

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Will anybody listen?

What really annoys me about some Sikhs (certainly those in the UK as I can't speak for any of our Canadian and American brothers and sisters) is when these same people underestimate Sikhi and throw it into the pile of 'organised religion' with the rest of them. But then I look at the people who purport to represent the faith and I think to myself "Well no wonder people are being dissuaded from our religion if you're meant to be the best we've got".

Completely agree and I think it's more of a thing that occurs around the world. Many atheist/agnostics do regard meditation or yoga as good but that's all they think of it. They classify Sikhi along with other world religions (islam, christianity or even Buddhism), mainly because they don't feel there is anything new to see, mainly because the version of Sikhi they receive is what their textbooks (or western sources say Sikh belief system is). There are many problems inside the panth but what I've seen is many more gems as of late. It can get daunting when you see all the problems in the panth but if you acknowledge them and focus on the positives (that are there) it helps focus and guide us into a more positive outlook that will draw a better future.

Our goal should be to be open minded educated Sikhs who have knowledge of many different schools of thought but are "nethark" in our Sikhi. Drawing bridges among humanity is what Sikhs should be doing, regardless whether the person is a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Agnostic.
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HAHAHA ^ those quotes above can be find nowhere except on sikhism sites !
I doubt whether those great minds ever said anything positive about sikhism ( hell , did bertrand russel even knew about sikhism ? lolz) when they criticized other faiths !

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Will anybody listen?

I'll be frank (possibly more than I should be there you go) but I personally I find the numerous school of thoughts, the sampradhiyas, the jathebandiya to be completely overwhelming. Nevermind about wondering whether Sikhi is the right way (it is, if Guru Granth Sahib Ji is your only guide - this much I do know) but which sub-group within Sikhi espouses the true way as prescribed by our Gurus? Which form of Sikhi was their ideal vision and the one I should be following today? A person worries whether they'll be punished for following a certain branch of Sikhi by overlooking another branch of the faith.

Anyway, I am glad Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Dasme Paatshah's Gurbani is the resolute, irremovable truth and no matter how my mind flounders and thrashes, I can always find solace in the 'charan' of our Guru.


Totally agree with you !!! It's almost like there's no option for anybody to follow Sikhi, but instead, only a group within Sikhi can be followed. I think Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana has given us the answer, we all need to follow and support the Akaal Takht, under one Nishan Sahib!

From being one of the toughest people on the planet we have become one of the softest. We are too frightened to even discuss (and especially debate) what the true path and Maryada is as prescribed by our Gurus! Everytime somebody asks these questions, or tries to question a sampradhiya's or jathebandi's Maryada, or even ask when the Maryada was introduced, i.e. was it after the time of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj we are told not to start any trouble and just let everyone follow what they are happy with. I know Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj built in all that the 9 Gurus espoused before him into his final Maryada, and gave us our Guru Granth Sahib Ji as our only final Guru for eternity. I know that the Nihangs followed Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Maryada, the Sikhs under Bhai Mani Singh also did, the learned Sikhs under Baba Deep Singh did too, so did the Singhs at Hazoor Sahib. I do think, however, that we need to question the sampradhiya's or jathebandi's that started long after Guru Gobind Singh Ji return to Sachkand, and especially question the Maryada those later sampradhiya's or jathebandi's have added or taken away from that left for us all by the 10 Gurus. Until we are allowed to question those additions and ommissions Sikhs will never progress as then these knew sampradhiya's or jathebandi's will not only never have to explain what they have added or omitted to 10 Guru's Maryada, they will be able to keep it secret from the unsuspecting new or unlearned Sikhs they drag into their sampradhiya's or jathebandi's

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Our goal should be to be open minded educated Sikhs who have knowledge of many different schools of thought but are "nethark" in our Sikhi. Drawing bridges among humanity is what Sikhs should be doing, regardless whether the person is a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Agnostic.


Exactly. Obviously I have no time for anyone of other faiths who seek to undermine and attack Sikhi to further their own faith's reputation and standing. But for those people who love God whatever your creed and you just want to get on with people in life, then I honestly don't feel like looking down upon, judging or criticising such people because they may actually have a better and truer connection to God than myself. The same goes for my Sikh brothers and sisters whichever part of the journey they're currently on.

@ 11Guru1Jot - Brilliant post and I agree with you. But the brave manner of tackling such issues as highlighted by yourself boggles the mind and, let's be honest, the path to making a lot of enemies. Nobody wants to be proven wrong, nobody want's their band of men to be discredited or criticised. That's why I worry that some people are more concerned with not losing face rather than doing what is true to the Guru. Anyway, these issues are too complex for the likes of us and are the preserve of a greater calibre of man than I will ever be. Our job is to follow and if there is no one amongst men who will provide that leadership then, like I said before, our Guru is always there for us.
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Anyway, these issues are too complex for the likes of us and are the preserve of a greater calibre of man than I will ever be. Our job is to follow and if there is no one amongst men who will provide that leadership then, like I said before, our Guru is always there for us.

Absolutely right! Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj is always there for us. Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana can provide that leadership. We should all work hard to get him out of prison, and not just forget about what he did for the nation. I probably sound a bit 'last month' mentioning Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana. However, if I had told everyone on the 29th March 2012 that Bhai Balwant Singh Rojoana was just a fad, for a month, nobody would have believed me. Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana has given us 17 years of his life, and counting. Question is, how much time can we now give to campaign for the release of Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana and all the other prisoners of conscience rotting in India's jails??

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Kaljugi - brother/sister u nail it everytime, need to get u to replace the chap that presents the youth shows on Sikh channel!

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I probably sound a bit 'last month' mentioning Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana.

Definitely not. It may seem that the 'Rajoana Topic' is yesterday's news but those with dardh for Sikhi and our homeland are still keeping themselves abreast of issues regarding Bhai Sahib. Like I said in a long rant / post last month, Bhai Sahib has been the catalyst for many Sikhs such as myself to move forward. We must keep our eye on the prize even though - for us Sikhs living so far from where the "action" is - most people's focus may have shifted elsewhere.

@ garch - I'd be done by Ofcom if I was allowed near a television camera. I'm much calmer when I have time to think and type. In person I'd want to rip somebody's head off. :biggrin2:
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Definitely not. It may seem that the 'Rajoana Topic' is yesterday's news but those with dardh for Sikhi and our homeland are still keeping themselves abreast of issues regarding Bhai Sahib.


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