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[N30S1NGH]

Sant Hari Singh Ji Randhawale said in the karam katha, its very unfortunate how within parcharaks circles "bhramvidya" is becoming an extinct that parcharaiks who are trying introduce depth to katha's are consider bhraminvaadi..that these days instead of searching or researching or appreciating the depth in katha, people brush the "depthness" as bhraminvaad.

He is 100% spot on...this is penduness in panth i m talking about how panth is influenced by these pendu punjabiyaat mentality..instead of being an true khoji or sikh (shisya/student) they expect depht of sikhi or bhramvidya parcharaiks to bend over backwards to them and cater sikhi to them in a plate as long their own "intellect" does not have to do any work or as long as their "tunnel vision" of sikhi its NOT challenged.

There is also an similiar disturbing trend of sikh youths these days - focusing and Imitating on only "one soldier aspect" of sant jarnail singh bhindranwale during Dharam Yudh Morcha. Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale was pooran bhramgyani yodha. He deserves better from sikh youths. For Eg-

Why his early journey life towards santhood overlooked and not followed by youth?
Why his nitneem being overlooked and not followed by youth?
Why his life of gaining bhramvidya overlooked and not followed by youth?
Why we are only following his one aspect- sipahi of his life?

You don't have to answer in this thread..just answer within yourself.

Anyway, coming back to this topic as kam suggested earlier in other post...

Damdami taksal is "Bhramvidya" school. As normal school, each school- different level/grades, different syallbus..test etc. Here is an breif syallibus listed below:

In order to be gyani in Sikh Theology and have understanding of gurbani you need to have through understanding of nine granths before hand.. The nine granths are

Chanaka Raajneeti
Sarkutavali
Bhavrasamrit
Vichar Mala
Vairag Shatak
Parbodh Chandar Natak
Adhiatam Parkash
Birti Parbhakar
Vichar Sagar

These are only taught in Bhindra now all this vidiya has not existed at Mehta since Sant Jarnail Singh Ji stopped teching during the Dharam Yudh Morcha. Thse granths are needed as the basis to understand gurbani then further work can be done by learning the Vedant Paribhasha, Upnishads, Moksh Panth Parkash, Adhyatam Parkash, etc

Only after these are studied should you start on the gazals of bhai nand lal and the works of Bhai Gurdas Ji.

Giani Harbhajan Singh Ji Dhudhike Wale and Baba Hari Singh Ji Randhawe Wale are possibly the best ustaads at the moment for all these granths as many of the other ustaads have only worked up to vichar sagar and not even heard of the birti parbhakar.

They are taught before you start any gurbani, they are your foundation to understanding gurbani, they dont effect the arths but are the foundations fr it. They are your early schooling. It is the same as if you ever wanted to do a degree you need your years of schooling before to understand the details to something like astronominal aeronuticals or quantam gravity physics. The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the most difficult of any granth as it is easy to read but the meanings are an endless ocean and without the necessary pre education you cant fully comprehend the teachings in either Gurbani or Ithaas.

Chanak Raajneeti was written around 2000 years ago
Sarkutavali was written by Pandit hardayal who was linked to Guru Amardas Ji's lineage
Bhavrasamrit was by Pandit Gulab Singh Nirmala
Vichar Mala by Anath Das Udasi
Vairag Shatak by Bharthari who was one of the Sidhs who met Sri Guru NanakDev Ji
Parbodh Chandar Natak by Pandit Gulab Singh Nirmala
Adhiatam Parkash by Pandit Sukhdev Singh Nirmala
Birti Parbhakar by Pandit Nischal Das
Vichar Sagar by Pandit Nischal Das

Please discuss !!!!!!!

[VanHelsingh]

Why his early journey life towards santhood overlooked and not followed by youth?
Why his nitneem being overlooked and not followed by youth?
Why his life of gaining bhramvidya overlooked and not followed by youth?
Why we are only following his one aspect- sipahi of his life?

The violent stuff is much cooler than the introspective, quieter aspect of Sikhi. Not my opinion though.

[GooDandEvil]

Hit the nail on the head here Singh.

Alot of the 'Taksali Youth' here in the UK like to put on a white Chola and say they are Taksaali, even though they have spent no time at any Taksaal getting vidiya.

Sant Jarnail Singh is a pooran Brahmgiani who got Bakshish from Sant Gurbachan Singh directly. But youre right because he became a Sant first, then a soldier later. 110 Japji sahibs a day, Panj Granthi daily on top of that, then at least reading 50 Angs of Paath daily, sleeping only 2 hours a day.

BrahmVidiya cannot be understood by the Sangat in the present time, Sangat can't even respect Dasam Baani because their Budhi's are polluted by the Duniya.

Sant Gurbachan Singh used to say to his students that even though you have now got the Vidiya, you now need to do Kamai of the Shabad in order for the Sangat to take in what you deliver in Katha, Sant used to say you need to do at leat 36 Lakh mool mantar Abhiyaas (which takes at least 10-12 months to do), the the Vidiya will be blessed with the Kamai that you have done.

[N30S1NGH]

The violent stuff is much cooler than the introspective, quieter aspect of Sikhi. Not my opinion though.

Yo thats gangasta yo Me southall rude boi, don mess with geeza love my sikhi yo love bir ras yo akaal hi akaal gurbar akalo yo
Put yeur hands wiv me, yo me khalsa yo pure lion thats it tigerstylez..all my niggaz singhs are untouchables yo..

mega lol..sorry had to put it out there.

Anyway back to serious topic

[dasguruka]

I think it all comes down to dedication. If you're blessed with Guru's vision and done good deeds then you'll want to put in the time too to make an effort to learn these things. A lot of the youth is obsessed with living this fast paced life and want to take short cuts. I'm learning it the hard way too. If the sangat is exposed to such topics more often and has more ways to access gurbani then it can be done. I heard in a katha by Giani Sant Ji Maskeen that humans only make an effort to do something if they have fear because then your mannn is Ikaagar. Later on he mentioned a quote by Guru Arjan Dev Ji that everyone should be in fear because there already is a problem and that is the problem of "kaal" or time. You never know what breath will be your last one. Why not ask for Guru's help!

[Only five]

The problem today is that many of the youth see many of the preachers having a lot of knowledge, but there character does not match what they are preaching. Anyone can read Gurbani, sikh history, Sikh literature and get a very deep grasp of what Sikhi is all about. Not a hard task. But when it comes to putting it into practice, thats where the youth see the elites messing up big time.

So the youth are fustrated and very angry. They want to pick up swords and deal with the dusht in the way they think is only left. They don\t trust the Sikh leaders today for a second. And you can't blame them. Instead of the Sikh leaders stepping up, all they get is excuses for why they don't fight with the pen or the sword as the last means.

I say go back to the original sources of authority. Forget these new age guys. The original leaders tell us its all about working on yourself and once you are spiritually high. Then Maharaj does kirpa and bless you with seva. Don't force a seva your way. This cause a person to fight against Maharaj's Hukam. Things won't work out in this sense.

And just because someone says durga, chandi, Kirshna, vedas, koran, bible don\t run away with your hands in the air. They are not trying to put you into Hinduism, but pull you out of it. Talking about the original sources of authority.

[Jonny101]

I've said this many times. We need more Taksals/Sikh seminaries opening up. We have a population of 25 million yet we can count the Taksals on our fingertips. So few Taksals for so many millions. We need to open them up in every corner, city, towns of Punjab where Sikh men and women, young and old can get Sikh vidya. Taksals need to be open in the west too. We have so many huge expensive Gurdwaras which can rival the Taj Mahal in beauty yet no Sikh seminary in the west.

[N30S1NGH]

I totally agree with you Jonny101. We need more bhramvidya centers..Actually we need an coordinated effort from all scholary samaprda's (taksal, Nirmale -Bhai Dya Singh Samparda/Bhai Dharam Singh Ji Samparda, Sevapanthis, Udasi) to do parchar as "Bhramvidya" is all same with minor differences such as (gurbani pronunciation etc) but tat of bhramvidya is same.

However, unfortunately i don't think people can take full advantage from parchariks from nirmale, udasi, sevapanthis backgrounds because people still are somewhat influenced from bhausar mindset people cannot get pass - sadhu bhek of parcharak from (nirmala, sevapanthi, udasi) background as they stuck in chamdristhi ..so keeping that mind.. as "paradoxical"it may sound- taksal always has been and is only bridge between puratan sampardas outlook and mainstream sikh outlook..given sad state of affairs at this point only gyanis from taksal and at times sants/gyanis from bhai dya singh ji samparda can do parchar at west even though more helping hands are better than one helping hand..i don't think there is an choice as much everyone like to have more helping hands(nirmale, sevapanthis,udasi) in parchar.

[N30S1NGH]

Sorry forgot to mention an example- few years ago swami ram singh (nirmala) came to our local nanaksar gurdwara on hakum of baba gurdev singh ji nanaksar wale to do katha, fellow nanaksar sanghi and parchariks did so much nindiya and show much irakha against swami ram singh ji..why? because he only speak hindi yet he knew gurmukhi/ gurbani inside and out..he could only speak hindi because he converted to sikh nirmale samparda from hinduism..also he wore white dhoti part of nirmala bana/bhek....so here you have someone from hindu background converted and became amritdhari nirmale doing upma of guru sahib and here you have people who are so effected with penduness/punjabiyaat mindset.. making fun of him or showing irkha because he only speak hindi not punjabi and wear nirmala bhek..and this is coming from nanaksar behingumas from out of all people whose samparda pranali started from baba nand singh ji maharaj who was student of bhramgyani maha harnam singh bhuchokalan who wore nirmal bhagva sadhu bana...talking about pot calling kettle black....this shows bad things are, imagine if this swami ram singh walked to normal gurdwara...people would have eaten him alive with their hindu paranoia.i don't think he is coming back from india..but i did manage to record bachans with him - http://www.gurmatvee...m_Singh_Nirmala

[Singh559]

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