The Arrow Of Shiva

[BhForce]

1.

This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Todee on Pannaa 714

ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਪਾ ਤੇ ਹਾਟਿਓ।।

ni(n)dhak gur kirapaa thae haattiou ||

The slanderer, by Guru's Grace, has been turned away.

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਭਏ ਦਇਆਲਾ ਸਿਵ ਕੈ ਬਾਣਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਕਾਟਿਓ।।੧।।ਰਹਾਉ।।

paarabreham prabh bheae dhaeiaalaa siv kai baan sir kaattiou ||1|| rehaao ||

The Supreme Lord God has become merciful; with Shiva's arrow, He shot his head off. ||1||Pause||

The question is: Is Guru Arjan Dev ji saying that God took an arrow from the Hindu devta Shiva cut off somebody's head with it?

This is an important question because we constantly hear from detractors of Dasam Bani about the devtas and other stuff they don't like in Bachittar Natak and other rachnas.

But if they are going to reject Dasam Bani, because of:

Deh Shiva bar mohe ihai

Then, by the same logic, they'll have to reject Guru Granth Sahib ji. This has already started, and the editor of Spokesman has rejected Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

2.

This is the way Manmohan Singh and Dr. Sant Singh Khalsa translated it (as the arrow of Shiva). But if you want to say, "that's just the literal meaning, you have to go for a deeper meaning": Well, OK, but then you have to go for deeper meanings in Dasam Bani, too.

By the way, Principal Sahib Singh, translated it (the arrow of Shiva) as Naam. (Which is fine, but let's keep the same standard for Dasam Bani).

3. Please post other examples of mythological references from Gurbani or other points which detractors don't like in Dasam Bani, but are accepting (for the moment) in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, in this thread.

4. Postscript: Principal Sahib Singh failed to translated this sub-sentence in the shabad: ਅਪਨਾ ਕੀਆ ਪਾਇਆ ।

ਟੋਡੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਹਾਟਿਓ ॥ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਭਏ ਦਇਆਲਾ ਸਿਵ ਕੈ ਬਾਣਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਕਾਟਿਓ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਕਾਲੁ ਜਾਲੁ ਜਮੁ ਜੋਹਿ ਨ ਸਾਕੈ ਸਚ ਕਾ ਪੰਥਾ ਥਾਟਿਓ ॥ ਖਾਤ ਖਰਚਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਿਖੁਟਤ ਨਾਹੀ ਰਾਮ ਰਤਨੁ ਧਨੁ ਖਾਟਿਓ ॥੧॥ ਭਸਮਾ ਭੂਤ ਹੋਆ ਖਿਨ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਅਪਨਾ ਕੀਆ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ ਆਗਮ ਨਿਗਮੁ ਕਹੈ ਜਨੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਸਭੁ ਦੇਖੈ ਲੋਕੁ ਸਬਾਇਆ ॥੨॥੬॥੧੧॥

He just skipped right over it. If he had translated it, it would have ruined his entire mode of translation.

http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/0714.html

[Jai Tegang!]

Brother,

Listen to Gyani Gurbachan Singh Ji's Katha for more understanding if you're in doubt.

http://gurmatveechar.com/katha.php

> then click on Puratan Katha

> then go to Gyani Gurbachan Singh ji's katha of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

> click on file # 120 and skip to about 15 min.

Gist of what I understood:

-Shabad was Ucharan when Sulhi Khan was planning to attack Amritsar, but met his end before even reaching.

-"Shiv ke baan" can refer to kaal(death) since that is what Shivji's duty is.

- Sulhi was carrying a "Tawar" which is very much like the arrow of Shivji. When Sulhi fell into the fire, his tawar landed on his neck, slicing/piercing it.

[BhForce]

Jai Tegang, thank you very much for taking the time to point out the exact location of the katha on this pavan shabad. I will listen to it.

No, I'm not doubting Guru Granth Sahib's bani nor Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bani. Just pointing out that the reasons that doubters doubt Dasam Bani (references to Hindu mythology) are also present in Guru Granth Sahib. Therefore, we should not doubt either.

There are many ways to interpret this shabad. So too, there are many ways to interpret Dasam Bani, and we should not doubt it, although it's OK to disagree with a particular interpretation.

[Guest militant singh]

shiv - power - akaal - in bani not hindu god

[hawk13]

shiv - power - akaal - in bani not hindu god

U r right in Swwwayias both 33 and Tav Prasad hindu god shiva has been rejected in the stanza in Tav Prasad Kahu Re Ling gare latkayo kahu re pahan pooj dhariyo thereby rejecting all imaginary gods further the hindu gods who r full of lust can never be compared with sikh gurus or gursikhs who r swaroop of akal purukh himself.

[Inder Singh]

shiv - power - akaal - in bani not hindu god

U r right in Swwwayias both 33 and Tav Prasad hindu god shiva has been rejected in the stanza in Tav Prasad Kahu Re Ling gare latkayo kahu re pahan pooj dhariyo thereby rejecting all imaginary gods further the hindu gods who r full of lust can never be compared with sikh gurus or gursikhs who r swaroop of akal purukh himself.

SGGS also have Hindu mythological imagery and terms. An anti sikh person can sway the remaining either way.

It is Dasam granth sahib that goes in detail about these demigods and condemns the concept of Avtar vaad

and idol worship in a very clear language. That is the areson Dasam granth is under attack. Once they do away

with this barrier they will attack SGGS ji and it is already happening.

[BhForce]

Jai Tegang, I listened to file #120, but in it, S. Gurbachan SIngh doesn't talk about this shabad or Guru Arjan Dev Ji, but rather Guru Harkrishan Ji.

[Jai Tegang!]

Jai Tegang, I listened to file #120, but in it, S. Gurbachan SIngh doesn't talk about this shabad or Guru Arjan Dev Ji, but rather Guru Harkrishan Ji.

Sorry brother,

http://gurmatveechar.com/katha.php

> Gyani Gurbachan Singh Ji's "Guru Granth Sahib Ji's Larivaar Katha"

> Volume 8

> File# 48, 15 min into the katha.

[Guest Bloom]

In My Opinion,

(Regarding Shiv, in the GurShabad)

Okay…Just Follow…

Let Say, you have a Person who lives Around your Block, and Their Name is Raam; Now, why was he Named Raam? After Whom? Maybe Raam from Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji, who is Rameeyah (within) Everything? Or Maybe Raam of Ayodhya? Or Maybe After His Uncles-Older Brothers'-Best Friends-Little Cousin, Raam?

So Now, continuing with Raam of Ayodhya. Who was Raam of Ayodhya Named After? Follow Along!!!...Maybe After the Raam who is Unseen and Rameeyah in Everything, or Maybe after His Uncle? Now, Lets assume, Raam of Ayodya is Named after the Raam who is Rameeyah in Everything, Raam of Ayodhya is ALSO named after The True Raam!! Keep Following…

Who Named Brahma? His Followers? Is Brahma from Earth? Or another Realm? (We cannot even Fathom the tiny speck of dust called Earth in the Milky Way Galaxy, What is Outdoor is UNFATHOMABLE!!!) … So Lets Say Brahma was Named by his Followers. But Why Brahma? He had some Powers. So they named him after the Creative Unseen Power, The True Brahm! Now Follow…EVEN BRAHMA WAS NAMED AFTER THE UNSEEN TRUE BRAHM! THE BRAHM THAT EVEN CREATED BRAHMA!!...keep following…

Okay, Same With Shiva…Who Named Shiva? And Why was He Named Shiva? After Whom? Named after a Virtue? Named after an Unseen Power? Named after a Relative? A Friend? Lets say Shiva was named after an Unseen Power, SHIV!, so Shiva who many people of different faiths worship, was also NAMED AFTER a Power! An Unseen Power! KNOWN AS SHIV! Okay, keep following…

So, now, if your neighbor is named, Akal, is He/She the Real Akaal? Or Named after the True Akaal? If someone were to say, "Hey!! You're Akaal!!!!!! The Timeless Creator!!", well, that would not be the Case. AKAAL is also AJOONEE! But, the point is, your neighbor is not the Real AKAAL who Sikhs Worship, Love, Adore, Desire to Merge With, etc..Keep Following,

What if your neighbor is named Jesus; is that the Jesus Christ of Nazareth? No, he was Named after Jesus of Nazerth, right.

Okay, now lets say, your neighbor Jesus, did some great things now, and books were written on him, great things about him, he did some cool stuff, and then…….countless of ages go by, but the books are still there, and they start thinking!! "Yo!! That Jesus is God!!'…little do they know, he was your neighbor, who did some cool stuff, and got famous, yeah…keep following…

Okay, your neighbor Jesus, was named after Jesus of Nazareth, The Same Way Raam of Ayodya was named after the Unseen Raam, Brahma after the Unseen Brahm, and Shiva after the Unseen Shiv. But, neither Raam, Brahma or Shiva, are actually the Real Raam! Real Brahm! And Real Shiv!! Which is the REAL AKAAL PURAKH!!! WHO IS AJOONEE!!! They were simply named after the REAL POWER!!!

Just like There are Billions of People, Countless Ants, Countless Leaves, Countless Bees, Countess Animals, Countless Birds, Countless Fish, Countless Countless Countless on Earth!!! In the Same way There are Countless Raams (who are named after The Real Unseen Raam!) !! Countless Brahmas (who are named after the Real Unseen Brahm!) !! Countless Shivas (Who are Named after the Real Unseen Shiv!) !! Countless Realms!! Countless Galaxies!! Countless Suns!! Countless Moons!! Countless Winds!! Countless Waters!! Countless Countless Countless!!

Keep Following…

So Now, there can be Many Jesus' on Earth, your neighbor might be named Jesus, there can be many Muhammads', your neighbor might be named Muhammad, Many Raams', your neighbor might be named Raam, etc. on Earth. But on earth, we know them as just Jesus, Muhammad, Raam, Etc..We never equate them to Jesus of Nazareth, Muhammad of Mecca, Raam of Ayodya, etc. Though in their time, Jesus of Nazareth was Known as the Last Prophet of Man, Raam of Ayodya was Worshipped as the lord and Prophet of Man, Muhammad of Mecca was Known as the Last Prophet of Man, etc..etc..But today, your neighbor Jesus, Raam, or Muhammad are not that important. Some may even refer to them as unimportant.

Keep following…

Now Guru Nanak!! Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak!! Dhan Dhan Guru Angad!! Dhan Dhan Guru Amardaas!! Dhan Dhan Guru Raam Daas!! Dhan Dhan Guru Arjan!! Dhan Dhan Guru HarGobind!! Dhan Dhan Guru Har Rai!! Dhan Dhan Guru HarKrishan!! Dhan Dhan Guru Tegh Bahadur!! Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji!! Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan GuruGranth Sahib Ji!! Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan Dasam Patshah Bani!! Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan RehitVaan Panj Pyareh!!

Just as our neighbors, Jesus, Muhammad and Raam are irrelevant, and it would be foolish to acknowledge then as Jesus of Nazareth, Muhammad of Mecca, Raam of Ayodya…even mentioning them would be foolish.

So..Just as your neighbor could be named Jesus, Muhammad and Raam, they were named after Jesus of Nazareth, Muhammad of Mecca, Raam of Ayodya, and even those neighbors are irrelevant to the world, the Shiva who was Named after Shiv, is IRRELEVANT TO GURU NANAK!!! OUR GREAT GURUS' ALWAYS REFER TO THE DIRECT SOURCE!!! AFTER WHOM ALL OTHERS' WERE NAMED!!! THOSE WHO WERE NAMED AFTER THE TRUE SOURCE ARE IRRELEVANT!!! OUR GURU TALKS OF THE REAL SHIV!!!!!!! NOT THE ONE NAMED AFTER THE TRUE SHIV!!!!! GURU TALKS ABOUT THE TRUE SHIV!!! THE TRUE SOURCE!!! WHO IS NIRGUN!!! AND ALSO SARGUN!!! WHO IS NIRGUN!!! WHO IS THE CREATOR HIMSELF!!! THE CREATOR OF THE SARGUN!!! AJOONEEE!! (Our Great Gurus' Even Refer to Shiva, Brahma, and Vishnu (who were named after the Real Creator Themselves) as Just Players in the Game, just like The other Billions on Earth, They too are Just part of a Creation (THERE ARE COUNTLESS OTHER REALMS AND GAMES AND DRAMAS ETC..ETC..!!!) DHAN DHAN GURGRANTH SAHIB JI!! DHAN DHAN DASAM PATSHAH BANI!! (Gursikhs Even know of Plays of Other Realms!!!!!!) GURSIKHS ARE CONNECTED TO THE TRUE SOURCE OF ALL!!! THE TRUE SHIV!!! THE TRUE BRAHM!!! THE TRUE RAAM!! THE TRUE HAR!! THE TRUE AKAAL!! THE TRUE SOURCE!!!!!!!!! DHAN DHAN GURU NANAK!!! DHAN DHAN GURU GOBIND SINGH JI MAHARAAAAJ!!!!!! THAT IS WHY IT IS WAHEGURUU JI KA KHALSA!!! WAHEGURUU JI KI FATEH!!!

Keep Following…

Lets take the example of our body. Our bodies are filled with cells. Countless Cells. Everyday Cells are Being Born, Being Taken Care Off, and Being Destroyed. The Power of Creation, Sustenance and Death are in our bodies, and we are unaware of it even! In the Same Way, there is a Power Throughout the Creation!!!!! EVERYWHERE!!!!!! CREATING!! NOURISHING!! DESTROYING!!

Even in Air, in Particles we cannot even see, such things are happening! Everything is Connected!! (Ghat Ghat!!)

SAINTS KNOW OF THIS CREATIVE, NOURISHING AND DESTRUCTIVE SOURCE!!! IT IS FROM THE SAME SOURCE!! GURU KNOWS THIS SOURCE!! THE GURU SAYS, THIS SOURCE DESTROYED THE ENEMY!!! THIS SOURCE IS EVER PRESENT!!!!! THE GURU IS CONNECTED TO THIS SOURCE!!!!! THIS SOURCE IS THE CREATOR HIMSELF!!!!! THE AKAAL PURAKH WHO CANNOT BE DESCRIBED!!!!! AND THUS, SHIV IS NONE OTHER THAN AKAAL PURAKH!! JUST AS YOUR NEIGHBOR JESUS, MUHAMMAD OR RAAM ARE IRRELEVANT!! TO GURU, SHIVA, BRAHMA, VISHNU, ALL OTHERS ARE IRRELEVANT!! GURU IS CONNECTED TO THE SOURCE OF EVERYTHING!! EVERYTHING IS NAMED AFTER THE TRUE CREATOR!! OUR GURU TALKS DIRECTLY!!!! OF THE TRUE CREATOR!!! COMPLETELY IGNORING THE IRRELEVANT ONES!!!!! SHIVA, BRAHMA, VISHNU, ETC..ETC..ARE JUST NOBODIES TO THE GURU!! THEY ARE JUST PART OF A GAME JUST LIKE YOUR NEIGHBOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON EARTH IS PART OF THE GAME OF EARTH!!!! IN THE BIG PICTURE, EACH ONE OF US, IS NOTHING!! SHIVA, BRAHMA, VISHNU ARE NOTHING!!! THE TRUE SOURCE!! THE TRUE SHIV, THE TRUE BRAHM! THE TRUE RAAM! THE TRUE HAR!! THE TRUE! THE TRUE! THE TRUE! SOURCE OF EVERYTHING IS THE LORD OF THE KHALSA!!!!!

(Dasam Patshah Bani will Tell you of Some Games of Other Realms! Dasam Patshah Bani will Also Tell you That AKAAL PURAKH is THE SOURCE OF EVERYTHING!!!!!)

SHIV IS THE TRUE SHIV!!!!! EVEN SHIVA WAS NAMED AFTER THE TRUE SHIV!!!!! GURU COMPLETELY BYPASSES THOSE WHO WERE NAMED AFTER THE TRUE SOURCE!!!!! AND GOES DIRECTLY TO THE TRUE SOURCE!!!!! (Just the same way we bypass the Jesus', Muhammads, Raams, etc. of this world! – completely irrelevant! not even worth mentioning! There are millions of them!! Nobodies!) GET IT?!?!?

THE SHIV OF OUR GURU IS THE REAL SHIV!!!!! THE SOURCE OF EVERYTHING!!! THE REAL CREATOR!! THE REAL NOURISHER!! THE REAL DESTROYER!!! THE REAL EVERYTHING!!! THE REAL SOURCE OF EVERYTHING!!! THE REAL EVERYTHING!!!!!! AKAAL PURAKH!!!!!

DON'T HAVE DOUBTS OF THIS IN YOUR PRECIOUS MINDS EVER AGAIN!!!!!

THE SHIV OF GURU, IS THE REAL SHIV!!!!! THE REAL POWER!!!!! THE REAL SOURCE!!!!! AKAAL PURAKH!!!!! EK OANGGKAAAR!!!!! (not the other shivas etc. of which there are countless!!! they are not mythology; temporary but real!! just like people on earth!! like ants! even earth from space, even within the milkyway galaxy looks like a little ant! what to speak of those on earth!?!?! just like that!!! the shivas, etc. other realms! are like ants!!!) (even we as people, are like ants! but through the Guru we have Unlimited Potential! For the True Source of Creation – The Creator! also Lives In the Creation! The Guru Shows Us how to Tap into That True Source! The Creator Himself! Who Lives Within the Creation! Is Within Us!! The Drop From the Ocean is Within! The POORAN TRUE GURU is EVERYTHING!!!!!)

Dhan Dhan GuruGranth Sahib Ji!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Dasam Patshah Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Gurdas Ji Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Nand Lal Singh Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Gurdas Singh Bani!!!!

Dhan Dhan RehitVaan Panj Pyareh, Khande-Pahul Amrit and Khalsa Rehit!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Gurus' Raags!!!!! Dhan Dhan Gurus' Instruments!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Seva!!!!! Dhan Dhan Simran!!!!!

CHARDI KALA!!!!!

[Only five]

In My Opinion,

(Regarding Shiv, in the GurShabad)

Okay…Just Follow…

Let Say, you have a Person who lives Around your Block, and Their Name is Raam; Now, why was he Named Raam? After Whom? Maybe Raam from Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji, who is Rameeyah (within) Everything? Or Maybe Raam of Ayodhya? Or Maybe After His Uncles-Older Brothers'-Best Friends-Little Cousin, Raam?

So Now, continuing with Raam of Ayodhya. Who was Raam of Ayodhya Named After? Follow Along!!!...Maybe After the Raam who is Unseen and Rameeyah in Everything, or Maybe after His Uncle? Now, Lets assume, Raam of Ayodya is Named after the Raam who is Rameeyah in Everything, Raam of Ayodhya is ALSO named after The True Raam!! Keep Following…

Who Named Brahma? His Followers? Is Brahma from Earth? Or another Realm? (We cannot even Fathom the tiny speck of dust called Earth in the Milky Way Galaxy, What is Outdoor is UNFATHOMABLE!!!) … So Lets Say Brahma was Named by his Followers. But Why Brahma? He had some Powers. So they named him after the Creative Unseen Power, The True Brahm! Now Follow…EVEN BRAHMA WAS NAMED AFTER THE UNSEEN TRUE BRAHM! THE BRAHM THAT EVEN CREATED BRAHMA!!...keep following…

Okay, Same With Shiva…Who Named Shiva? And Why was He Named Shiva? After Whom? Named after a Virtue? Named after an Unseen Power? Named after a Relative? A Friend? Lets say Shiva was named after an Unseen Power, SHIV!, so Shiva who many people of different faiths worship, was also NAMED AFTER a Power! An Unseen Power! KNOWN AS SHIV! Okay, keep following…

So, now, if your neighbor is named, Akal, is He/She the Real Akaal? Or Named after the True Akaal? If someone were to say, "Hey!! You're Akaal!!!!!! The Timeless Creator!!", well, that would not be the Case. AKAAL is also AJOONEE! But, the point is, your neighbor is not the Real AKAAL who Sikhs Worship, Love, Adore, Desire to Merge With, etc..Keep Following,

What if your neighbor is named Jesus; is that the Jesus Christ of Nazareth? No, he was Named after Jesus of Nazerth, right.

Okay, now lets say, your neighbor Jesus, did some great things now, and books were written on him, great things about him, he did some cool stuff, and then…….countless of ages go by, but the books are still there, and they start thinking!! "Yo!! That Jesus is God!!'…little do they know, he was your neighbor, who did some cool stuff, and got famous, yeah…keep following…

Okay, your neighbor Jesus, was named after Jesus of Nazareth, The Same Way Raam of Ayodya was named after the Unseen Raam, Brahma after the Unseen Brahm, and Shiva after the Unseen Shiv. But, neither Raam, Brahma or Shiva, are actually the Real Raam! Real Brahm! And Real Shiv!! Which is the REAL AKAAL PURAKH!!! WHO IS AJOONEE!!! They were simply named after the REAL POWER!!!

Just like There are Billions of People, Countless Ants, Countless Leaves, Countless Bees, Countess Animals, Countless Birds, Countless Fish, Countless Countless Countless on Earth!!! In the Same way There are Countless Raams (who are named after The Real Unseen Raam!) !! Countless Brahmas (who are named after the Real Unseen Brahm!) !! Countless Shivas (Who are Named after the Real Unseen Shiv!) !! Countless Realms!! Countless Galaxies!! Countless Suns!! Countless Moons!! Countless Winds!! Countless Waters!! Countless Countless Countless!!

Keep Following…

So Now, there can be Many Jesus' on Earth, your neighbor might be named Jesus, there can be many Muhammads', your neighbor might be named Muhammad, Many Raams', your neighbor might be named Raam, etc. on Earth. But on earth, we know them as just Jesus, Muhammad, Raam, Etc..We never equate them to Jesus of Nazareth, Muhammad of Mecca, Raam of Ayodya, etc. Though in their time, Jesus of Nazareth was Known as the Last Prophet of Man, Raam of Ayodya was Worshipped as the lord and Prophet of Man, Muhammad of Mecca was Known as the Last Prophet of Man, etc..etc..But today, your neighbor Jesus, Raam, or Muhammad are not that important. Some may even refer to them as unimportant.

Keep following…

Now Guru Nanak!! Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak!! Dhan Dhan Guru Angad!! Dhan Dhan Guru Amardaas!! Dhan Dhan Guru Raam Daas!! Dhan Dhan Guru Arjan!! Dhan Dhan Guru HarGobind!! Dhan Dhan Guru Har Rai!! Dhan Dhan Guru HarKrishan!! Dhan Dhan Guru Tegh Bahadur!! Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji!! Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan GuruGranth Sahib Ji!! Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan Dasam Patshah Bani!! Dhan Dhan Dhan Dhan RehitVaan Panj Pyareh!!

Just as our neighbors, Jesus, Muhammad and Raam are irrelevant, and it would be foolish to acknowledge then as Jesus of Nazareth, Muhammad of Mecca, Raam of Ayodya…even mentioning them would be foolish.

So..Just as your neighbor could be named Jesus, Muhammad and Raam, they were named after Jesus of Nazareth, Muhammad of Mecca, Raam of Ayodya, and even those neighbors are irrelevant to the world, the Shiva who was Named after Shiv, is IRRELEVANT TO GURU NANAK!!! OUR GREAT GURUS' ALWAYS REFER TO THE DIRECT SOURCE!!! AFTER WHOM ALL OTHERS' WERE NAMED!!! THOSE WHO WERE NAMED AFTER THE TRUE SOURCE ARE IRRELEVANT!!! OUR GURU TALKS OF THE REAL SHIV!!!!!!! NOT THE ONE NAMED AFTER THE TRUE SHIV!!!!! GURU TALKS ABOUT THE TRUE SHIV!!! THE TRUE SOURCE!!! WHO IS NIRGUN!!! AND ALSO SARGUN!!! WHO IS NIRGUN!!! WHO IS THE CREATOR HIMSELF!!! THE CREATOR OF THE SARGUN!!! AJOONEEE!! (Our Great Gurus' Even Refer to Shiva, Brahma, and Vishnu (who were named after the Real Creator Themselves) as Just Players in the Game, just like The other Billions on Earth, They too are Just part of a Creation (THERE ARE COUNTLESS OTHER REALMS AND GAMES AND DRAMAS ETC..ETC..!!!) DHAN DHAN GURGRANTH SAHIB JI!! DHAN DHAN DASAM PATSHAH BANI!! (Gursikhs Even know of Plays of Other Realms!!!!!!) GURSIKHS ARE CONNECTED TO THE TRUE SOURCE OF ALL!!! THE TRUE SHIV!!! THE TRUE BRAHM!!! THE TRUE RAAM!! THE TRUE HAR!! THE TRUE AKAAL!! THE TRUE SOURCE!!!!!!!!! DHAN DHAN GURU NANAK!!! DHAN DHAN GURU GOBIND SINGH JI MAHARAAAAJ!!!!!! THAT IS WHY IT IS WAHEGURUU JI KA KHALSA!!! WAHEGURUU JI KI FATEH!!!

Keep Following…

Lets take the example of our body. Our bodies are filled with cells. Countless Cells. Everyday Cells are Being Born, Being Taken Care Off, and Being Destroyed. The Power of Creation, Sustenance and Death are in our bodies, and we are unaware of it even! In the Same Way, there is a Power Throughout the Creation!!!!! EVERYWHERE!!!!!! CREATING!! NOURISHING!! DESTROYING!!

Even in Air, in Particles we cannot even see, such things are happening! Everything is Connected!! (Ghat Ghat!!)

SAINTS KNOW OF THIS CREATIVE, NOURISHING AND DESTRUCTIVE SOURCE!!! IT IS FROM THE SAME SOURCE!! GURU KNOWS THIS SOURCE!! THE GURU SAYS, THIS SOURCE DESTROYED THE ENEMY!!! THIS SOURCE IS EVER PRESENT!!!!! THE GURU IS CONNECTED TO THIS SOURCE!!!!! THIS SOURCE IS THE CREATOR HIMSELF!!!!! THE AKAAL PURAKH WHO CANNOT BE DESCRIBED!!!!! AND THUS, SHIV IS NONE OTHER THAN AKAAL PURAKH!! JUST AS YOUR NEIGHBOR JESUS, MUHAMMAD OR RAAM ARE IRRELEVANT!! TO GURU, SHIVA, BRAHMA, VISHNU, ALL OTHERS ARE IRRELEVANT!! GURU IS CONNECTED TO THE SOURCE OF EVERYTHING!! EVERYTHING IS NAMED AFTER THE TRUE CREATOR!! OUR GURU TALKS DIRECTLY!!!! OF THE TRUE CREATOR!!! COMPLETELY IGNORING THE IRRELEVANT ONES!!!!! SHIVA, BRAHMA, VISHNU, ETC..ETC..ARE JUST NOBODIES TO THE GURU!! THEY ARE JUST PART OF A GAME JUST LIKE YOUR NEIGHBOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON EARTH IS PART OF THE GAME OF EARTH!!!! IN THE BIG PICTURE, EACH ONE OF US, IS NOTHING!! SHIVA, BRAHMA, VISHNU ARE NOTHING!!! THE TRUE SOURCE!! THE TRUE SHIV, THE TRUE BRAHM! THE TRUE RAAM! THE TRUE HAR!! THE TRUE! THE TRUE! THE TRUE! SOURCE OF EVERYTHING IS THE LORD OF THE KHALSA!!!!!

(Dasam Patshah Bani will Tell you of Some Games of Other Realms! Dasam Patshah Bani will Also Tell you That AKAAL PURAKH is THE SOURCE OF EVERYTHING!!!!!)

SHIV IS THE TRUE SHIV!!!!! EVEN SHIVA WAS NAMED AFTER THE TRUE SHIV!!!!! GURU COMPLETELY BYPASSES THOSE WHO WERE NAMED AFTER THE TRUE SOURCE!!!!! AND GOES DIRECTLY TO THE TRUE SOURCE!!!!! (Just the same way we bypass the Jesus', Muhammads, Raams, etc. of this world! – completely irrelevant! not even worth mentioning! There are millions of them!! Nobodies!) GET IT?!?!?

THE SHIV OF OUR GURU IS THE REAL SHIV!!!!! THE SOURCE OF EVERYTHING!!! THE REAL CREATOR!! THE REAL NOURISHER!! THE REAL DESTROYER!!! THE REAL EVERYTHING!!! THE REAL SOURCE OF EVERYTHING!!! THE REAL EVERYTHING!!!!!! AKAAL PURAKH!!!!!

DON'T HAVE DOUBTS OF THIS IN YOUR PRECIOUS MINDS EVER AGAIN!!!!!

THE SHIV OF GURU, IS THE REAL SHIV!!!!! THE REAL POWER!!!!! THE REAL SOURCE!!!!! AKAAL PURAKH!!!!! EK OANGGKAAAR!!!!! (not the other shivas etc. of which there are countless!!! they are not mythology; temporary but real!! just like people on earth!! like ants! even earth from space, even within the milkyway galaxy looks like a little ant! what to speak of those on earth!?!?! just like that!!! the shivas, etc. other realms! are like ants!!!) (even we as people, are like ants! but through the Guru we have Unlimited Potential! For the True Source of Creation – The Creator! also Lives In the Creation! The Guru Shows Us how to Tap into That True Source! The Creator Himself! Who Lives Within the Creation! Is Within Us!! The Drop From the Ocean is Within! The POORAN TRUE GURU is EVERYTHING!!!!!)

Dhan Dhan GuruGranth Sahib Ji!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Dasam Patshah Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Gurdas Ji Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Nand Lal Singh Bani!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Bhai Gurdas Singh Bani!!!!

Dhan Dhan RehitVaan Panj Pyareh, Khande-Pahul Amrit and Khalsa Rehit!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Gurus' Raags!!!!! Dhan Dhan Gurus' Instruments!!!!!

Dhan Dhan Seva!!!!! Dhan Dhan Simran!!!!!

CHARDI KALA!!!!!

This explanation needs to be given to the anti-Dasam Granth group.