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I don't think he is supportive of some of 3ho practices. He doesn't say it directly, but I remember hearing him indirectly mentioning it in one of his videos or maybe it was a comment he wrote, I forget which. He probably will not answer the question you have posted because if he condemns them, he will look very narrow minded and that will be detrimental for the overall parchar work he is doing of Sikhi to reach out to the wider audience. IMHO Some topics are left better untouched until we are in a stronger position.

Right now, we should just focus all our efforts on Parchar while encouraging other Sikhs who practice manmat to start following authentic Sikhi. All religious and political wrongs will be undone once our people become more religiously observant because a religious Sikh nation is a strong Sikh nation, the less religious we are the weaker we become. During the Singh Sabha movement, the Sikh parcharaks made it a point to not condemn any religion or even start anything political. But once Sikhs were stronger demographically and overall more religiously observant, then Sikhs felt they were in a stronger position to act more bold and then we see Sikhs openly opposing the British in Ghadhar movement, Gurdwara reform movement, Babbar Akali movement while also challenging the pujaris and mahants who were in control of our Gurdwaras. Right now our position is not good. We are a nationless nation, with no international support, most of our youth have become Patit both in India and abroad. To fix this, we need to make Parchar our top priority.

Another thing is, 3ho are small and have little no effect on Punjabi Sikh society because their movement is mostly geared towards Goras. We have bigger problems than them like the Kala Afghana Chelas, missionaries who are trying to turn Sikhs into atheists and on the opposite side of the spectrum we have to also deal with Sanatan Sikhs who are hell bent on trying to Hinduize Sikhi. And these two manmat groups are confusing the hell out of Sikhs instead of showing the clarity of the simple message of the Gurus.

You are absolutely right about the parchar. Our population is small and it is decreasing and not only that but the quality of our sangat is poor in terms of understanding Bani and history of Sikhism. I really think our 2nd priority is to get Good educated Sikhs or as many Sikhs we can to go back to Punjab to start something up. Some might disagree and say no that isn't the right way to handle things but the state of the Panth is silent and a movement is needed from leaders aboard India to push Gursikhs back into Punjab and fight against the corruption and possibly a separatist state. There is no way that Sikhi will flourish if our homeland in filled with drugs and alcohol and RSS organizers all over the place. Elder Sikhs have built gurdwaras all over the world and the youth need to wake up not all will but some have to start a bigger movement that needs help from Sikhs all over the world which can lead to something big for Sikhs in India. Hopefully the Panth will wake up before another genocide happens....

Yes there are cults all over the world with their own manmat teachings from yogis and they can be dealt with after we have unity in the Panth. Then we can start getting rid of the sects/deras that are a poison to our Panth.

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I'd say that johnny101 has a good point.

I really don't know which areas in the world our punjabis are getting brainwashed by 3ho gorey---- but I think we have a bigger missionary problem right under our noses.

i keep noticing and recognising more and more people thinking like darshan ..dundha and afghana.

dunno why we being coccky, cuz we want basic of sikhi guy to say negative stuff >cuz we think we got it right.

end of the day> if we can find some people that we think have been corrupted by gora 3ho> then we can question them ourself to see where they going.

cuz I tell u one thing,>>I can find you massive numbers of youngens that think like missionary cuz they heard dundha and co.. somewhere !!!

This dhunda pratt is a crafty bugger and manipulates the young minds by saying stuff like '' no proof of this... no proof of that..and so on..''

i'd slap him up anyday

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Why so many pre-suppositions on this thread.....we need to stop making things up. Why not ask Basics of Sikhi for a detailed stand of opinions and ask more specific questions if they bother you? Instead of making up what he/they might think or probably thinks? I'm no fan of 3HO, but I wouldnt say that everything they did was wrong either. Some of the Simran Kirtan that comes from those affiliated are beautiful and has influenced other jathas and kirtan styles. A lot of Jathas have their own distinct problems and ultimately we should see only one Panth...How many of us actually see one Panth? Personally I don't like what goes on there with regards to money and yoga but these are personal views. There are some amazing Gursikhs too. If you come from a non punjabi background you are assumed to be 3HO or at least found Sikhi through them. This is not the case. What I'm trying to say I guess is don't go on hear say or what you hear down the langar hall. Go and find out for yourselves or just ask. Basics of Sikhi group are chardikala Singhs and will always go out of their way to help. They gave a beautiful talk about Shaheedi of Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Telford over the weekend and really are inspiring, they have very knowladgeable Singhs doing their kathas.

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Jagraj Singh should be approached directly. Maybe some questions need answering, but we should not forget the amount of sewa he has performed through Guru Sahib over the last 1.5 years. Focussing on minor faults and not on the bigger picture seems to be the norm these days. These quibbles should in no way detract from his achievements.

We should look in the mirror and ask ourselves daily what have we done to make a difference other than be internet warriors all these years.

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Why so many pre-suppositions on this thread.....we need to stop making things up. Why not ask Basics of Sikhi for a detailed stand of opinions and ask more specific questions if they bother you? Instead of making up what he/they might think or probably thinks? I'm no fan of 3HO, but I wouldnt say that everything they did was wrong either. Some of the Simran Kirtan that comes from those affiliated are beautiful and has influenced other jathas and kirtan styles. A lot of Jathas have their own distinct problems and ultimately we should see only one Panth...How many of us actually see one Panth? Personally I don't like what goes on there with regards to money and yoga but these are personal views. There are some amazing Gursikhs too. If you come from a non punjabi background you are assumed to be 3HO or at least found Sikhi through them. This is not the case. What I'm trying to say I guess is don't go on hear say or what you hear down the langar hall. Go and find out for yourselves or just ask. Basics of Sikhi group are chardikala Singhs and will always go out of their way to help. They gave a beautiful talk about Shaheedi of Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Telford over the weekend and really are inspiring, they have very knowladgeable Singhs doing their kathas.

The question was asked directly to basicsofsikhi question and answer site. Its better to read the original post than make assumptions.

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I'd say that johnny101 has a good point.

I really don't know which areas in the world our punjabis are getting brainwashed by 3ho gorey---- but I think we have a bigger missionary problem right under our noses.

i keep noticing and recognising more and more people thinking like darshan ..dundha and afghana.

dunno why we being coccky, cuz we want basic of sikhi guy to say negative stuff >cuz we think we got it right.

end of the day> if we can find some people that we think have been corrupted by gora 3ho> then we can question them ourself to see where they going.

cuz I tell u one thing,>>I can find you massive numbers of youngens that think like missionary cuz they heard dundha and co.. somewhere !!!

This dhunda pratt is a crafty bugger and manipulates the young minds by saying stuff like '' no proof of this... no proof of that..and so on..''

i'd slap him up anyday

Can you tell me the negative stuff I want basics of sikhi to say? I am not aware of these negatives ideas but you must have more access to my mind than I do. So please share with all of us.

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Jagraj Singh should be approached directly. Maybe some questions need answering, but we should not forget the amount of sewa he has performed through Guru Sahib over the last 1.5 years. Focussing on minor faults and not on the bigger picture seems to be the norm these days. These quibbles should in no way detract from his achievements.

We should look in the mirror and ask ourselves daily what have we done to make a difference other than be internet warriors all these years.

Teaming up with the 3HO is no small change or move.

The awareness is here. I have nothing else yo say till more is revealed. You guys can make up all the stories you want now.....hes a missionary, rss, internet warroir, etc.

I'm keep doing what I do.

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sangat ji, , daas Jagraj Singh, this was brought to my attention just now... I've had to stay up to read it. Pls do not assume that if you put up a post on SS that we will pick it up asap. WRT to ask.fm, yes we have two other sevadaars from Birmingham that answer the qs, and I add to them. My wife does not participate in this.

Bhai Sahib i did post a question there and did not get a response. It could have got lost. I am sorry if this has cost you any hurt. I have no intentions of dragging your name in mud or any other sevadar of Basicsofsikhi. I did not even know about your website of answering questions till it was brought to my attention here on SS couple of days ago.

WRT to Yogi Bhajan, no one from BasicsofSikhi will be doing his Nindiya. We are dogs and paapi moorakhs ourselves, and no one to judge anyone.

This is an unfair comment. Yogi Bhajan is not being judged. Being judged requires uncertainties in the assessment. Yogi Bhajan did puja of a stone idol along with is immediate family. There are pictures proof of this act. Yogi Bhajan said the following:

There are two ways to find the Divine. One way is that you open the solar plexus

and charge your solar centers. You get direct with the Divine. The other method is that you concentrate and meditate and get this sound (Ek Ong Kar Sat Nam Siri Wha

Guru) in you, and it directly charges your solar centers and in this method you get

the Divine light to you.

Yogi Bhajan (1972, 7)

I have studied the 3HO organisation at close detail, met many of them and overall I find that they are not a bad influence. They fit into the pauri of "Dharmi log" of Japji Sahib, "Asank Jap, Asank Bhaao, asank Puja, Asank Tap Tao". They are trying to be spiritual and therefore do not become our enemies under the rules of Adharm, "asank gal vadd hatiaa kamaahe".

Can you honestly say they are teaching Sikhi? Dancing and grinding with the opposite sex on Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji's shabad? Maybe I am wrong and mudras are part of Sikhi Naam Simran? I ask you to take another look. Look at academic papers printed on them. Look at Yogi Bhajans acts. Research on Kundalini Yoga and it's origin. Read this well balanced article on Yogi Bhajan before you close the book on who Yogi Bhajan was. http://www.scribd.com/doc/140983448/Maharaj-to-Mahan-Tantric

They themselves do understand what is Yoga and what is SIkhi?

Mr. Sikhnet misquotes Gurbani to say nostril breathing in and out is Sikhi approved. Read the first post on the following thread and then read the last page where I post Guru Nanak Dev ji's Bani on the matter of nostril breathing. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/70507-bhagat-jaidev-ji-sudarshan-chakra-kirya-meditation/

Watch Yogi Bhajan's video and he is the one who taught this wrong practice to 3HO.

Now I agree that they dont understand Bani that well and fair enough they often dont give bani satkaar and for that my personal conclusion is to blame myself. If the Khalsa (of which I am part) dont educate people about the Shabad, (which we worship) then only the Khalsa is to blame.

Bhai Sahib on one hand you don't want to discuss Yogi Bhajan and now you want to put the blame on Sikhs who did not teach 3HO or created 3HO. Yogi Bhajan created and taught 3HO Sikhs. Basicsofsikhi calls Yogi Bhajan a Gurmukh and Gurmukhs teach according to Gurbani. Yogi Bhajan knew how to read Gurbani. Brother Am I to blame after I provide you with this information? The current main students of Yogi Bhajan are the leaders who teach others Kundalini yoga in the disguise of Sikhi. Yogi Bhajan taught them "Sikhi"

Okay if we the Khalsa Panth are at fault. Then mediate a meeting here on SS between me and any 3HO leader who has the right to change their practices and let's put them on the right track. No blame would be put anywhere. Just pure Gurbani teachings will come forward and they can adjust their Kundalini Yoga courses. I am to blame, this moorakh, so let's get the proactive movement of fixing 3HO rolling.

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