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A meeting took place today in southall with singhs from committee of southall and also singhs from birmingham. After a few hours of discussion and presenting both sides, the jathedar of akaal takht sahib was phoned who said that initially dhunda had made mistakes and was forgiven. The jathedar said that topics of raagmala and dasam granth should not be raised.  However since he has made comments against "deh shiva bar mohe hai".  Singh sahib ji said that has he come to join sangat or to break sangat.  Then Singh sahib ji said to cancel the programmes and that gurdwaras should call vidvaan parcharaks.

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The biggest problem with us is that we think others are like us too. Wake up Khalsa jee, others are NOT like us. We have a Pooran SatGuru who gave us character, who taught us to be just even in times of strife. Can the others look up their history and say the same about those they worship? Wake up, don't expect others to have your level of deen-imaan, your kind of integrity, your type of Khalsaaee kadar-keemat. We have our Gurdev Pita jee Sahib-E-Kamaal Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj, the one and only personality on this planet who did bhagti in bir rass. Anyone else qualifies? NO! Wake up, no one else has the sense of belonging the way we do, we belong only to our Gurdev Pita jee. Who do others belong to? Whose tokens of love do they carry the way we carry our kakaars? We are blessed with a saroop because we carry a responsibility. Does anyone else qualify? NO! Wake up! Stop trusting just about anyone because they are nice from time to time. Stop expecting others to be the way you are because you are a different breed since you are to abide by a mandatory norm. When Dasmesh Pita jee said that Khalsa is to stay niyaara, it also means that no one else is like the Khalsa. No one else has the kind of character that Khalsa has, no one else has deen-imaan, kadar-keemat the way Khalsa does, no one else has a satkaarjog saroop that Khalsa has. All these people around you are under NO obligation to be the best human beings, but you blessed Khalsas will have the sweet burden of that Guru-given duty on your head till you die. Wake up! Love all, trust a few, but have no expectations from anyone Khalsa jee, because Khalsa lives a life of commitment to our SatGuru Patshah jee, others tend to live a life they at times find aimless and can't define even themselves. Wake up! There is way we are expected to live in society, and that was given to us by our param pyaare SatGuru Patshah jee long before these man-made handwritten laws were created or implemented. I am not asking you to look down upon anyone, or to hate anyone, or to dislike anyone, or to degrade or put anyone down. I am only begging you to please be niyaare in every aspect of your lifestyle. And I am only rebuking myself to stand up and be who and what I am, NOT who and what the world wants to see me as.

- Mehtab Singh

I recently bought laptop for my mom and i want to install a good anti-virus. I don't want to get free programs as her laptop usually ends up corrupted after a while. Is there any cheap (under 40$) anti-virus program that you can recommend?

" 2. Have I really been disowned by Nihang groups in India?

I recently came across a letter published on the internet alleging mischief on my part and purporting to be signed by various heads of Nihang groups to which I am affiliated by tradition.

Alerted by the absence of letterheads or dates, and personally having met several of the supposed signatories within the past year, I contacted them. They assured me that the letter was a forgery and that the individuals involved in producing this fake document had been identified.

In fact, I was told that if they were ever spotted in any Nihang encampment in India in the future, they would be dealt with harshly, using the traditional form of punishment meted out to a slanderer. I will be visiting the Nihang leaders in person later this year on a research trip and will follow up on these discussions.

It appears that the motive of these character assassins is to diminish my standing and influence in the community. Why?

It is alleged that one of their underlying goals is to perpetrate what a wise old man once called ‘salvation fraud’, i.e. they wish to promote themselves as devout Nihangs for the purpose of establishing themselves as ‘gurus’ in the West amongst the unsuspecting Europeans. From this position of authority they would then be able to fully exploit and (mis)lead the trusting flock, misappropriating any funds received for their personal gain and generally establish themselves to pursue their dubious agendas of self aggrandisement.

It would appear that they see me as an obstacle in the pursuit of their strategy, because the history, philosophy and traditions I present through my books, websites and SV akharas help empower innocent people to see through such shallow characters and protect themselves from their despicable behaviour.

Rab rakha."

I bet he is lying.Never trust a guy like him.

To our fellow Hindu brothers, particularly hinduveer, musicman, dogra et all

When I came here in 2003, I was a clean-shaven Brahmin. Yes, that is correct, I belong to a Punjabi Brahmin family, and was blessed with the Amrit of Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj in 2004. I found extremely loving Sangat on this forum who helped me reach where I am today. Today those same loving Singhs and Singhnees have made a good-for-nothing like me an administrator of this forum. Guess what, my views back then were not too different from what you guys say today. But after being slapped by the ugly truth in the face, I laugh at myself and the views I had back then.

Your anguish at some of the posts over here is understandable as I have been in your shoes in the past. My question is, how about you guys try to be in the shoes of those you argue with? Have you been members of a minority community in your own country? Have you been made fun of throughout your childhood and youth just because you belong to a particular community? Have you gone through a period in human history where the religious appearance of your community became a target to be eliminated? Are there forces attempting to distort the history, philosophy and teachings of your religion? Are there forces out there propagating doctrines that are exactly opposed to what your religion teaches? I could go on and on, but this is just a small fraction of what Sikhs go through. When you don't know what the other person has dealt with or been through, please do not make any assumption. Sikhs have been more than patient towards everything that has been thrown at them since 1947. But this patience should never be tested beyond a point.

Don't get me wrong, neither am I a spokesperson for the Sikhs, not do I speak for all Sikhs on this forum. I don't know any of you personally, so I can't be sure what kind of lives you've lived, and if you've faced any of the scenarios listed above. But lets get one thing straight. For the most part, you probably don't have much of an idea regarding what Sikhs have been through. This forum is thus a platform for you to learn and discuss, rather than get into meaningless arguments.

Let me also emphasize that this is a Sikh forum. As long as the messages posted are in accordance with Gurmat and/or Gurbani, and since Gurbani is the topmost authority for us, we are least bothered as to how offended someone would feel as a result of our Gurmat views. It is never our intention to hurt a single soul, it is in fact a sin to do so. However, if the truth in Gurbani shatters someone's false pride, we are not at all concerned about that. We will continue to speak the truth, come what may.

While we do respect other faiths, don't think that by posting quotes from your religious scriptures you can justify anything to us, because as stated above, as far as Sikhs are concerned, Gurbani is the final word. You are more than welcome to abide by whatever philosophy/knowledge is contained in your holy scriptures. You may share that knowledge with us as well, as that would also be an educative process. However, we are under no obligation to adhere to those esteemed philosophies. Posting quotes from non-Sikh scriptures just to disprove what is said in Gurbani will get you nothing but a permanent ban from this website. So far I don't see it done directly, and I hope we don't need to ban anyone because of that reason.

Now a request for our fellow Sikh brothers (you didn't see this coming, did you?)

I am not sure how many of you grew up among/with Hindus or other non-Sikhs, probably which is why it is easy to demonize them as a foe (for some of you at least). Not every Hindu is out there to prove that Sikhi is a part of Hinduism. Not every Hindu is an RSS agent with ulterior anti-Sikh motives. Not every Hindu wishes chaos on the Khalsa Panth. Yes, what happened in 1984 was done by people who claimed to be Hindus. We have labeled Chandu, Gangu, Indira Gandhi, Sajjan Kumar, Jagdish Tytler etc. as Hindus. What about Longowal, Badal, Gen. Brar, KP Gill, and Beant Sio? Why do we say that they are not Sikhs? Isn't this two-faced hypocrisy?

If you guys post hateful stuff about any non-Sikh community on a Sikh forum, do you really expect them to sit silent? How do you blame them if they come here and kick up a fuss? Every couple of months I see a thread where someone posts a link to a discussion forum on a Hinduism or Islamic website where people are talking garbage about Sikhs or Sikhi. And then we are encouraged to go and post over there! Why the irritation when the tables are turned? You think only we have the right to get mad when our faith is insulted? Aren't others also human beings? Don't they get hurt and offended when we have threads on this forum that serve only the purpose of mocking someone's religious beliefs? Think about it, and remember the phrase that we all learnt as kids, that do unto others as you would like them to do to you. You want others to respect Sikhi and leave your forums alone, YOU NEED TO STOP MAKING FUN OF EVERYTHING THAT THEY REGARD AS HOLY. Is that clear?

If there is anymore thread on this forum that mocks ANY religion (Sikhi or any other), the person who initiates that thread, and anyone who replies in that thread will be banned permanently by me, no matter you are born a Hindu or a Sikh.

Please feel free to grade this post as negatively as possible. The only way out for you is if I am taken off the administratorship of this forum. Until I am around, you speak one more word of hate, and you will beg to see the face of Sikhsangat.com. This is the last warning for ALL you haters out there. Either learn to respectfully agree to disagree with compassion with a fellow human being, or quit posting on this site. I promise you, you will not be missed for a second.

- Mehtab Singh

How lucky is that Bhujhang Singh to recieve Prashaad from Sant Jee?

How lucky are we to receive prashaadh from shree guroo granth saahib jee mahaaraaj!

Taken from Gurmat Bibek forum
 

More than 100 "Dalit" Sikhs were blessed with Khanday Batay da Amrit in a remote area of Madhya Pardesh, India. These Khalsay overcame a lot of hardships from local village leaders and police who tried to break them down away from becoming Khalsa because of their "neech Jaat." They have overcome all tests and took Khanday Baata da Amrit in December 2012 from a Smagam organized in their locality by Akhand Keertanee Jatha India. Please support their cause and rejoice to see the wings of Khalsa Panth spreading out to all. There are hundreds of more Praanee who are thirsting Naam/Baani and Amrit dee daath and the next smagam here will be organized in June 2013. Donations and other sevaas will be used for building these Sikhs a Gurdwara Sahib in their village and organizing more Smagams.

 

http://gurmatbibek.c...ead.php?3,26527

So the red dot of inequal brahminism on nidars forehead and the Thrisul in his hand doesn't seem like any part of traditional Sikhi pre-Singh sabha to me!  The KFC and Johnny walker in his belly don't seem like any part of traditional Sikhi pre-Singh sabha to me either!

 

Muslim Barber In Jammu Refuses to Cut a Sikh's 
Dharri, Says Won't commit a "Sacrilegious Act" "what a Sikh got to do in a barber shop?" Questions Barber
Jammu is one of those places where Sikhi Among the Youth is the Strongest. This is why the Barber was shocked to see a Sikh in his shop.

 

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Fateh

 

Hi My orginal name is Devon Saggers but now you may call me Amrit Singh. I was baptized as a Sikh during the Amrit Sanchar ceremony held by the Akhand Kirtani Jatha (AKJ) at the Craigieburn Gurudwara in Melbourne Australia during a visit to that country on March 31. Attached is my before and after pics of me in a turban.

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Sangat Ji,
 
Bibi Jagjeet Kaur Ji from Sacramento is suffering from a rare form of cancer, The doctors have said that only divine intervention can save her from this fast spreading disease. It is a request to please do as many mool mantar jaaps as possible for her chardikala and please do ardas for her deh-arogta (recovery from disease) 
 
Please post the number of mool mantar jaaps done for her on this thread so that a collective ardas can be done on sangat's behalf.
 


  
For those who are not familiar with this chardikala singhnee, here is her story from her own pen:
 

 
Waheguruji ka Khalsa Waheguruji ki Fateh
 
When I hear this question How did you come into Sikhi?I find it cannot so casually be answered. In retrospect, I know it was predestined in this life. Gurusahib put me on this path despite great obstacles I had to face. I did not know the Punjabee language or culture in the least and my family cherished conservative Catholic values. What were my chances of receiving Amrit?
 
My first darshan of a Singh occured when I was seven years old. He was climbing on a bus. I was transfixed by his radiant appearance even at a young age and prayed to God that I marry a handsome prince such as he.
I had always been spiritually restless. I found no solace in the Bible and going to church every Sunday was just a ritual.
 
I saw God in the trees as the sunlight filtered through the leaves and felt His breath in the breeze on the riverbank. Oh how I spiritually thirsted to know Him better. I studied Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and VERY briefly Sikhism. As I brooded over religious texts a thought out of somewhere came in my mind.The day you are born you are that much closer to death. My melancholy and longing often overwhelmed me and I wept often.
 
I was spared bad sangat from the beginning.I was not popular and was a quiet studious student with above average gradeswhat you would call a nerd now. I missed the LSD drug hippie culture that was in full swing in the 70s. I never developed bad habits and spent my evenings in the library.While my classmates were getting drunk, stoned and pregnant I got beaten up by a boy simply for not being in enough with this crowd. Those were painful times.
 
I had strange dreams of being chased on horseback through dark forests with only the moon as my guide the ennemy gaining on me. I would wake up in a sweat.I did not till much later have revealed to me what this meant. Singhs know exactly what I am talking about.
 
The years passed. I was still spiritually unsettled. I read voraciously usually about history and religion. I read the Bhagwad Gita and some of Kabirs works. My husband was a sincere devotee of Shivjee and Durga and had had darshan of both. He was more into bhagtee and less into the complicated rituals of Hinduism. He couldnt stand the trickery of Brahmins. He could see through them.He was very honest and honorable.
 
We went to India and went to a Radhasoami Dehra because his former professor who did seva there invited us there. I could not understand why people would prostate themselves as their Guru drove by in a Mercedes Benz. God was the highest in my mind. We attended a few of his lectures and he quoted many lines from Guru Granth Sahib and I read some of the poignant writings of Meera. These stirred the longing within me to a fever pitch. We were granted an audience with the Guru.His appearance was that of a Sikh, so beautiful. In pain, streaming tears, I begged Him to show me how I could walk the path to God. Instead he gave me a series of tasks to accomplish then we would need to see him again in a few months and he might grant me the Mantr. My world crashed. His words and composure told us he was not the real Guru. We left and never looked back.
 
Upon returning to L.A. my husband was looking for a job. On the way to a job interview, on Vermont Ave, he saw a Nishan Sahib. We started going there. The sangat was warm and my heart lept as I had darshan of several of those beautiful Singhs. I could not understand much but loved the keertan and the Karah Prassad.
 
We were in the sangat when a very old saint Baba Gyan Singh Johalwale and several Singhs came with him. He was very quiet. We were invited to a sangat members house where he and his entourage were staying. My husband was curious to speak to him. I was shy and stayed back. Babajee granted him an audience. After hearing my husband speak a few minutes, he locked eyes with him for quite a while and told him point blank: Jagdish you will have amrit tomorrow. Your name will be Jagdish Singh. My husband was stunned and spooked by what this old gentlemen was saying. He had no idea what that was at all. His concept of amrit was receiving Ganga Jal. He pointed to me She will have to go with you. My husband was translating this to me and for some unknown reason I smiled so broadly (the soul knows what the mind does not).Babajee immediately stifled an objection that I was unsuitable as I was a Westerner by turning and saying She is his wife. We obeyed, quite unprepared for what was to come.
 
My husband had learned the Punjabi alphabet in grade school but never used it since. His language was Hindi. We presented ourselves for amrit.No one had told my husband not to shave and he did so just so he would be neat for taking amrit. He is probably the most clean-shaven candidate in history. I left all jewelry at the door. We entered and in our presence the amrit was prepared reading the Panj Banee. As I was receiving the amrit I saw a flash of light and something changed. Some inexplicable power had surged in my body. I was so charged and so filled with joy.Since I had such a hard time reciting Fateh after each chula, I received a lot of Amrit.So did my husband. We were given instructions which my husband translated. We were told to recite the gurmantr Waheguru as much as possible and learn to recite Nitnem. Eating meat was out of the question. We were told the rehet was identical for both man and woman so when they told my husband to wear dastar and that for me it was not necessary I felt this letdown. I felt this was not quite right. But then I complied without question.
 
Two years later, we met Babajees nephew. He was a simple nice Singh. He told us that Babajee had told him our taking the Amrit was not a random event. Babajee knew Jagdish for the past three lives. Jagdish had done a lot of seva of saints and devotees in his past lives and that he had heard a call from Gurusahib to come here with Singhs to make sure these two souls received Amrit.These 2 would become very staunch Singhs. Then having delivered his message, he left. We were at a loss for words.
From the moment we were blessed with the Amrit, a breathtaking whirlwind of changes occured. There was also controversyand contention. We were very vulnerable. We were unwitingly the center of attention of the sangat as we both were from outside the Punjabee culture. The Granthee did not like saints, was pro Jhatka, and especially disliked a couple of Singhs who week after week tirelessly did Asa di Vaar and keertan. He despised them because they did it free and this undercut his business.
Bhai Manmohan Singh jee was his name and he took us under his wing. He fed us Gurmat and Gubanee. He did keertan with the depth of his soul. His son gave me a tape of blissfull keertan that sent me somewhere.
 
I did not understand Gurbanee by mind but it pierced me like an arrow when I walked in one day and could not stop crying having heard the Hukam read that day Mere man prem lago har teer. I lost it when I read the translation later and in the library. I realized that Gurbanee was alive and had the power to permeate even a dense mind such as mine with its inherent spiritual scent. Gurbanee I experienced first hand was truly the Guru. I stayed locked in the library for a very long time that day.
 
So much was happening so fast.One day we went to Yuba City with the sangat. When I walked in, a Bibi with an enormous dastar approached me and asked we Where is your dastar?. I was shy and did not know what dastar meant..Your turban?. I was filled with joy as this Bibi untied one of her layers of dastar and wrapped it on my head. It felt as if my Guru was wrapping it with His own hands by His own command. I was to be tested severely from all directions for keeping it. I dressed simply. Jewelry, fancy clothing and fashion had lost their taste and meaning. My husband was wondering what was happening to his wife. I left walking one night walking towards the Gurdwara crying after being after a hot arguement about dastar and started repeating by voice Waheguru each step I took. Soon something wonderful happened and Waheguru started coming by breath and I dont remember much of the walk to the Gurdwara. When I got there I sat there just doing simran. Somehow though I instinctively knew this gift would be short-lived if I did not seek surrender and the blessings of the Panj Peeare in front of Gurusahibjee.
 
In those early days it was very confusing for us. One side said one thing the other said something else. We were stuck in a tug of war.My husband was more influenced by the Granthee. I placed more faith in what Bhai Manmohan Singh was saying. In a moment of weakness we breached our code of conduct listening to the Granthee by eating meat. On the first bite, I spit it out without eating it and told my husband not to continue.we were doing something very wrong.He initially did not. Later after talking about it some more begged Waheguru for forgiveness and vowed to go in front of Panj Peeyare.
 
My husband was very irritated at some point and decided to take the questions of contention to the Guru himself. We would settle certain points of contention once and for all. I was begging Gurusahib to show us the Truth with clasped hands and tears rolling down my face. I was at first afraid then decided to submit to the Gurus decision come what may. My husband did Ardaas to Gurusahib and placed folded pieces of paper in a bowl of water. Those that would still remain afloat the next day would be the Hukam. He asked Gurusahib which was rehet Jhatka or no, Keski or no, Raagmalla was banee or no.
 
The next morning in Amritvela time my husband was awakened. He had had a vision of Sach Khand. There was an incredible sound of keertan filling the Universe and he heard the voice of a high-pitched voiced keertanee with small glasses and brownish complextion but very bright and red. All the Khalsa were wearing dastaar and bana (men and women) and sitting on a dais was Guru Nanak Devjee with a flowing white beard and even more glowing face. My husband fell weeping to the feet of the Guru and he said: You dont need to cry anymore for you have come to your house. Having seen this vision he did Prakash of Gurujee and saw a globe of light eminating from there. A voice said clearly: Keski is my rehet. She is being a true bhagat by keeping it. Raagmala is not my banee. Do not eat meat. He was overwhelmed and as I entered the room he fell to my feet and cried:I am so sorry. I had him stand up and breathed a sigh of relief. This trial was over and I humbly thanked Gurujee for showing us the truth. This would galvanize our faith from that way forward. No one would tell us otherwise. My husband described the keertanee to Bhai Manmohan Singh. When he showed him the picture of Bhai Randhir Singh he told him this was the person. We had not seen pictures of Bhai Sahib yet at that time do Bhai Manmohan Singh was stunned.
 
Shortly afterwards we did appear in front of Panj Peeyarey and detailed our transgressions. We were terrified as so many who interviewed to serve as one of the Panj came out weeping and wailing. About 65 people were rejected for one reason or another. Two elderly ladies found suitable were in the Panj peeare and one was Peredhaar. Our knees shook as we approached Gurusahib for what we had done. The atmosphere was electric. The walls were pulsating with Naam. Naamdrir was done here. And like a current it just kept going. This was very different and much more powerful then the first time. It was hard to speak for a few days.
 
One Singh who did not know my husband grabbed him in his arms and started crying as ifm meeting a loved one after many years. We were separated at the Sarsa river.So much was lost as we crossed. The current was too strong. I tried to hang on to you but you were swept away by the current. This old Gursikh, normally a sober naam abhyassi type, wept like a child and both were locked in an embrace of Simran for a very long time. My husband has not been able to enter running water his whole life.
Everything I have written here is the Truth.The wonders never cease coming from the Guru. The Guru lends a hand to His bhagat along this spiritualm path.One receives amrit after living many lives. Khande ki Pahul Amrit has been depreciated by some. Pride of intellect and cleverness impede progress. One who goes with a clean heart and humility in front of the Guru to receives this wonderful gift is sure to grow and accomplish the spiritual tasks set forth by the Guru. Anyone out there who has love for the Guru will leave his or her mann at the door and give it all to the Guru.
 
dassan dass
 
Vaheguru ji ka khalsa,
Vaheguru ji ki fatheh !

Waheguru Jeo,
I was in the Parikarma of Sri Darbar Sahib when this incident took place. Gyaani Ji got a bit late in reaching Sachkhand for some reason, as there were only 5 or so minutes left for Rehraas Sahib. He was literally running towards Sachkhand so that he could begin his seva on time, which he eventually did, but I guess this haste must've confused him a little bit, hence the incident, but its something we all go through every now and then, don't we? And he even apologised to Sri GuruJi and smooh Sangat by reciting two shabads of maafi and nimarta before taking Hukamnaama Sahib, one could feel the pain in his voice as he read out those shabads.

If Gyaani Ji were related to us by blood, we would forgive and forget this minor incident instead of publicising it all over the world and making fun of him, would we not?

Maharaj are beant beant beant beant beant kripalu, and so is His Love and Compassion for his beloved Sikhs, so pleas a benti in your lotus feet jeo, let's put mitti on this incident, hug him and move on. As far as the violation of Maryada is concerned, its a matter between Sri Akal Takht Sahib and Gyaani Ji, and whatever decision that comes from Sri Hargobind Sahib Ji Maharaj's place would be pravaan to both Gyaani Ji and Panth.

Jeh Prasaad Tere Sagal Chiddr Dhaakai...

Maafi, and Dhanvaad jeo,
Gurfateh

Obama wins again!!!!

I'm Canadian but damn the American elections were interesting!!!

OBAMA!!

Finally, a Sikh leader with a backbone.

http://www.sikhchic....?cat=26&id=3781


Lord INDARJIT SINGH



To
Teji Bindra
New York, USA

25-10-12

Dear Tejinder ji,
Sat Sri Akal
Re: Sikh Heritage Arts Gala 2012

I am writing to inform you that I will not be attending the Sikh Arts and Film Festival.

When Dr Narinder Singh Kapany informed me that Sikhs in New York wished to honour me for becoming the first turbaned Sikh in the British Parliament, I agreed.

I was given to understand that it would be at a function of Sikh Heritage Awards. I now learn from the detailed Programme sent me that it is a Festival of Indian Films with dinner and dance in the presence of dignitaries from and representatives of the Indian government.

This festive event coincides with the anniversary of the government planned systematic slaughter and rape of thousands of Sikhs throughout the length and breadth of India following the assassination of Indira Gandhi, commencing with Rajiv Gandhi's broadcast incitement of "khoon ka badla khoon" - "Exact blood for blood". ( An official in Africa recently received a lengthy jail term from the International Criminal Court for lesser incitement).

Ever since 1984, I have campaigned tirelessly for those responsible for this genocide against Sikhs to be brought to justice through articles in the Sikh Messenger , the Journal of Amnesty International, articles in the Times, the Guardian and other British, French, American and Arabic journals and in radio and TV broadcasts. My effort and those of many others for the Indian government to respect civilised norms and bring those responsible to justice have simply fallen on deaf ears.

In the circumstances, I hope you will understand why on the anniversary of this massacre, I cannot join you with your guests from the Indian government. My apologies for any inconvenience.

Kind regards
Dr. Indarjit Singh ( Lord Singh of Wimbledon)

mand5 - im an ex radhasoami.....

before i continue, well done for seeking answers from another source other then your radhasoami community. for this i must commend your efforts. I use to ask my family questions, they use to tell me not to ask others because others are "non believers... they think there way is right"... also my family use to say "maharaji (rs baba) is a walking granth... those who insult him are acting in ignorance"... my friend... you, and all other radhasoamis that believe in this pakhandi baba have been brainwashed. i hate to disapoint you, but he isnt god - just the thought really does turn my stomach. the radhasoami baba is NOT antarjami (innermost knowing)... if he was, he would have knew my plans to turn to king of kings Guru Granth Sahib ji MAHARAJ - SACHE PATSHAH  and he would have stoped me from doing so... but he didnt... hes nothing more then a con artist. please save your family from the falsehood of radhasoami. at their time of death u do not want them thinking of a pakhandi "maharaj"... or reciting a fake mantra. Everyone knows Gurbani is truth and real... you want your family thinking of Vaheguru and reciting Vaheguru at their time of death.  

i can answer all your questions. please message me your phone numeber and we can have a chat.

many things wrong with radhasoami mat.
1 - randha soami land in beas is currently legally in the name of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahraj
2- radha soami forbids alchahol and meat... not tobacco... read into radha soami history, or read "the masters answers" and find out why tobaco is not forbiden (or allowed) in radhaosami faith
3-radha soami replaced sikh greating of WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH with "radhasoami"
4-radha soami replaced gurmantra with a fake mantra
5- radha soamis do not belioeve in guru manio granth
6- radha soamis do nothing for the victims of the 84 genocide - not even the radhasoami victims
7-radhasoami baba does not speak out against injustices (guru nanak sahib did)


i can go on and on and on. the list is truely endless. radhasoami baba is nothing... nowhere near our 10 satguru sahibs and guru granth sahib ji. the works of our Puran Satguru Sahibs is nothing short then the Work of God. All radha soami baba does is fool innocent and simple sangat - this is no achievement as punjabis are generally simple in nature.

Radha soami refuse to believe GURU granth sahib ji is guru... yet radhasoami mat use to be centered around Guru granth sahib ji. Guru Granth Sahib Ji use to be parkash in beas... they wheeled in sikh sangat with ttheir fake prachar... messing with Gurbani is messing with Vaheguru... this is not a small sin that can be overlooked. yes gurbani and guru granth sahib ji maharaj is universal... but that does not mean it can be misused. this is mahapaap (huge sin).

radha soami copy sikh traditions like guru ka langar, yet they  do not believe its necessary to keep kara kachera kirpan kesh khanga...
they call dasam bani false in "spiritual letters" book
in  "spiritual heritage" book they say sri harimanir sahib is just "brick and water" - how offensive
the other radhasoami book "guru nanak, his mystic teachings" - is wholly offensive to sikhs. bhai gurdas sahib's bani is discredited... they also disagree with the documentated history behind gurdwara panja sahib...

the list is endless.... i turely can go on and on.

why does radhasoami only mess with sikh history and sikh beliefs and not the beliefs of other faiths?? why does radhasoami baba keep sikh apperance??

regarding your comment "you need a living guru" this is true. guru granth sahib ji is alive. if you believe in guru granth sahib ji mahjaraj you will be aware of the following truths:
"bani guru guru hai bani vich bani amritsare"
"sun sun jeeva terey bani"
and others. there is no difference between gurbani and the guru.... we live by listening to GURBANI. we can not believe in what you guys believe in. satbachan is not gurbani... far from it. a sikh would never recite the words of tobacco users, and a sikh would never accept a tobacco user as their satguru. tobacco is strictly forbidden in sikh faith. even if gurbani told us to run to a living human for salvation (which it doesnt)... i would never run to the feet of such a fraudster radha sooami baba.

do not study gurbvani from pakhandi baba, please learn gurmukhi and study for yourself.

ive done it all... my family use to visit haynes park, and beas... we used to attend bhandara and put our names down for sewa...

i am so thankful that Vaheguru has saved my family from that path and brought us to the path of Gursikhi.

I am deeply saddened that there are literally millions of radha soami devotees.

its very saddening.

ill finish on this tuk of guru gobind singh ji maharaj..

sagal duar ko shhad ke, ghaiho tuharo duar, banhe gahe kio laj as gobind das tuhar - i have abandoned all gates (paths) and i have come to yours o lord, o lord please protect my honour and hold my arm, for i am your humble servant

for any mistakes bhul chuk maaf

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh.

(mand5, inbox me, we can discuss this further if you wish, i know its hard to accept... but believe me your baba is a fake... go back to the house of Our Puran Satguru's... we know for a fact they are real and true... have no doubts and embrace their pavitar bani)

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!


Could you guys please share some links to really good Katha that would be beneficial to me? Something which will give me a deeper knowledge of Gurbanee, but is simple to understand. I'm having a lot of trouble finding things. I want to start reading Sikhi books to expand my knowledge but I just don't know where to even start, I really just need a starting point. As I'm new to this I was hoping the sangat could give me some recommendations
Thankyou all in advance, I hope you can help this moorakh sister of yours get her life on the right path again.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

In no particular order...

Back To The Future
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Aliens
Star Wars
Toy Story

Man, it's hard just selecting 5 only but I KNOW that Back To The Future is going to be in any movie list.  Such an awesome film!!!!

1) A Tale Of 2 Sisters (Korean)
2) Higher Learning (American)
3) Bruce Lee - Big Boss (Hong Kong)
4) Trainspotting (British)
5) Long Da Lishkara (Panjabi)

no particular order, my fave genre of films is British films and Japanese/Korean Horror Films (which always get awfully re-made by hollywood).

lol..Its common here in USA..

ALOT of fights take place at Gurudwara and specially at annual Sikh/Punjabi Mela here in California. Sikh youths actually wait for Mela to happen so that they can settle score with eachother infront of everybody..

Honest opinion : Sikh young guys here  have this retarded wanna be "gangsa motha fucka" attitude. Its sooooo annoying. These kids think that they are some really hi fi gansters..they'll fight for no reason etc, use their karas explicitly for fighting and so on. Even during highschools, it was soooooooooooooo annoying/embarrassing to see these "punjabis" acting dumb..cuz in highschool, you are also recognized with them (since I'm a Punjabi too)...

 Pakistani Punjabi community really look down upon Sikh youth for this attitude...They actually advise us to stay away from Sikh youths.."only befriend those jairay koi haal de banday aa...baki saray ta 'littar' (punjabi word) hi hunday aaa. Inna ne parhna sharna koi nai..bs lariyan kariya janiyan te fir mor k ksi ne taxi driver ban jana, ksi ne field ch kam krna, te ksi ne drugan (drugs) pichay pe jana"  my uncle told me this when I was about to start my highschool. My high school had A LOT of Sikh students.. 

Sikh community should look into this matter seriously. You don't become 'lion' by fighting on all the small things possible..This is no sign of 'bravo' and bravery.

Punjabi bro, those in glass houses should not throw stones. Compared to the problems of criminal activity relating to the Pakistani youth in the UK, these North American Sikh youth are nothing or a foot note at best. From forming criminal gangs, dealing drugs, sexually exploiting and prostituting under aged girls, the Pakistani youth do it all. Why do you think so many British Sikhs here are so apprehensive about Pakistanis and began attacking you on the other thread?

 

Some Sikh youth go through a faze during their teenage years where they become aggressive and get into some fights *WOW BIG DEAL*. But they straighten up by their mid 20s, eventually becoming productive members of society in the country they live in. I think the problem of the Sikh youth is their lack of religious observance. Too many are influenced by the hip hop culture mixed with negative aspects of Pendu Punjabi culture.

 

As for Gurdwara fights, yes it happens. It's unfortunate that it happens because it shouldn't. But atleast no one dies. but Pakistanis are known to literally blow up each other's masjids and kill fellow Muslims in Masjids just because they are Shia, Ahmadis, barelvi or some other Islamic sect. Thank Vaheguru, we don't have such problems in our community. Strangely of all Muslims in the world, this happens most commonly amongst Pakistani Muslims than non Pakistani Muslims. So it is not Pakistanis that should be looking down on Sikhs, but the other way around.