stopsingh

EDITED Admin note : This is your first and last warning and this reply will be deleted by morning! Deleted for what ? Is there anything offensive in my post ? NO. Read it !! This is funny but yesterday a veerji on another thread wrote about censorship and him not being allowed to use jago wale in a broadcast. Here we have admin not allowing debate and threatening to delete a reply. There is nothing offensive in the reply as far as I can see. If telling people to change passport pictures is offensive then I apologise. Also I have not even had a first warning so whats with the premature last warning ? Admin Note : Veer ji Your id is under moderation now. If duplicate id appears, your ip will be put on ban list. Thank you What for ? Would be nice to know what forum guidlines I have broken and then it would be nice to apply these to everyone. Mod Note : contact@sikhsangat.com. If more question raised in public forum, ip will be put up in ban list. Thanks

Maybe you should have smacked yourself for not getting your passport picture changed. It is advisable to get a picture changed if your have become a GurSikh. It is plain stupidity to not do so and expect no problems when flying. I saw a similar (opposite event) at IGIA Delhi several years ago where a Indian student flying from the US had cut his kesh and not changed his pic ture. The immigration wale at Delhi would not let him leave the airport.

My response to this was censored and deleted. Not too worry typing it again will only take up a few minutes. There 555,602 Sikhs in Delhi according to the 2001 census. 10,000 is less than 1.8% of this. Also the people were protesting about the death sentence against Bhullar and not for Khali-stan or Sikhistan. I suggest you speak to people like Wassan Singh Zaffarwal (one time KC F chief)next time you are in Punjab and find out from him the actual truth about what was going on both sides during the 1980s and early 1990s. Wassan Singh Zaffarwal pronounced Khalistan from Akal Takht on April 29, 1986. Ups Zaffarwal is one of those who became dissillusioned with the concept of Khalistan after the ISI wanted his militant/terror outfit to undertake blatent acts of terrorism so I guess people like you will brand him a GOI agent. Its not to hard to find village Zaffarwal in Gurdaspur district.

Go on go to Punjab then instead of hiding in Europe advocating these things. Whats up you chicken ? I have been had a look spoken with people and they do not give two hoots about the issue. I have seen how the sham organisations set up to look after children of shaheed are really more interested in taking money than looking after the kids. Simarjeets Mann Akali Dal which advocates a Sikh homeland is as popular as the Monster Raving Looney Party. The Dal Khalsa is even less popular. Guess what he freely expresses his views and apart from an old TADA case against him no new criminal cases have been filed against him for his views. Come on all your Khali-stanis, w hy you hide in the west, go to Punjab and advocate your views and see for yourselves how people hate your ideas. As for the West Midlands deaths, as a Sikh you should be concerned and campaigning for an independent Khalistan, Sikhistan (or whatever other names you want to call it) in Smethwick or Leicester.

You can only come up with 24 names for such a large period ? You also ignore similar numbers killed in other Indian states which are majority Hindu ! What happens after 1999 ? Read your own post and killing numbers 1 and 22 disprove your theories about the judicial system. If that is the basis for seeking Khalistan then perhaps you should start doing something similar in the UK because : Figures from the Home Office show that between 1 April 2002 and 31 March 2003 there were 104 custody deaths, compared to 70 the previous year. The highest number of custod y deaths took place in the Metropolitan Police Force area where 17 people died, followed by the West Midlands with 11 deaths. Wow 11 deaths in police custody in West Midlands perhaps you can start a campaign for independence in the West Midlands.

You want it go fight for it. the movement is finished. No one wants it Punjab so declare it in the West Midlands or wherever you live. You people sit in your homes in Europe and talk about Khalistan but do not have the bottle to go back. Go on get up off your backsides and go back to Punjab to discover the truth or are you chickens ? Zaffarwal, Chohan etc all big time charlies in the Khalistan moveme nt are happily living in Punjab NOW. They do not give two hoots about Khalistan anymore and Zaffarwal even admits the Pakistan ISI were getting him and his mates to undertake acts of terrorism.

Whatever the case is with GNNSJ and the kar seva by baba mohinder singh, whether he knew about the dodgy gold, plastered marble etc etc is another matter, it seems that people have found a target to take the punishment and will continue to take his name through the mud. I aint saying that he did know about the dodgy kar seva or if he didnt, but people need to think. If that is not going on the defensive then I do not know what is. Using examples of other bodge ups to defend the Soho Road wale is being defensive in my book. No one is taking his name through mud. His own attitude in denying the bodge up is doing more than enough damage to his reputation without others trying to tarnish it.

Yes Sikhs are allowed to file lawsuits and have done so even against the GOI. As for the Rob Marris story. Ever asked the people why they were approaching him. They proabably wanted India taken off the list of safe countries so they could claim asylum in the UK. Just visit a legal clinic at a Gurdwara near you to find out what people are prepared to do to claim asylum. Flowing beards at the time of claiming asylum soon become trim beards when the asylum claims are refused and the claimant then tries other methods to stay in the UK.

Bhai sahib was not an illetarate village bumpkin with very little education. He has lived in the west for a long time so unlike the SGPC he should have been more sensitive to the ideas of restoration/preservation than the sgpc wale. Just becasue the Akal Takht has also had a bodge up job don e it does not make the Darbar Sahib gold plating seva right. the SGPC has not had experts working on the Akal Takht rather than experts who are willing to do the work and reconstruct old frescos etc the SGPC has been inclined to take a Soho Rd type approach and not consult experts and get Kwik Fit painters in to do a bodge up job. Where is the taking of his name through the mud. OK if he did not know he has been told about the dodgy seva on more than one occassion, is he big enough to stand up admit it was wrong and do it again ? NO. OK if he does not want to do that let him hire his own experts and get a professional opinion on the gold plating job. Appears to me that peopel will try and protect the job he did to the hilt without any consideratio of the damage done to the Darbar Sahib.

Agree with most your points but I would go even further and say Khalistan is a non issue. From extensive visits to Punjab I have not met one person who wants it. If people in the west want it tell them to set it up in Smethwick or wherever the mass of Khalistan backers live. There are more real pressing issues like the decline in the number of Sikhs in Punjab, the mis suse of Sikh religious symbols i Punjabi pop videos (all very well demonstrating outside theatres but how about demonstrating against Jazzy B and Mika etc who wear large Khanda whilst dancing around half naked girls etc.), the destruction of our heritage by kar seva wale. As for the points raised by Singh Shriomani about the lies about Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji in Indian text books what have the Sikhs in India done about it ? Very little. They could easily have filed a few lawsuits to put a stop to this.

:wub: @ @ @ ä Stop Singh! You've made a wonderful post and show how big losers we are who don't ever care about our heritage being ruined by bulldozer baba....... bhull chukk maaf Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fa teh!! Thing is we now have to be careful as the "bulldozer" baba want to do seva on Gurdwara in Pakistan. Just a few months ago we had the Sarna and co of the DGPC wanting to demolish Gurdwara Janamasthan Guru Ram Dass. They said the old structure was not sound. Funny that as when I went last April the structure looked more than sound to me and only required some restoration. No doubt some kar seva wala has now started job of cladding it in cheap white marble. I hope someone would clad some of these kar seva wale in cheap white marble.

The gold plating job is a bodge up whether you like it or not. If it is not ask soho Road wale to hire wold reknown heritage/restoration experts to disprove people like me !! :wub: )))) Q. Let me ask you. Did the soho rd wale consult with experts before undertaking the seva ? A. ANSWER IS an emphatic NO Q. Have experts raised doubts over the seva after looking at the methods used to carry out the bodge up ? A. Emphatic answer is YES. Q. Does marble need room/space to breathe ? A. YES Q. Has the method used by Soho rd wale followed the old method for fixing the gold top the inner marble structure thereby allowing the marble to breathe ? A. Emphatic answer NO. Q. Could the bodge up method used lead to the marble beginning to crumble away and discolour ? A. Emphatic answer...... YES Q. Do Soho Rd wale know that experts have criticised the methods used ? A. Emphatic answer .....YES Q. Have they done anything to remedy the bodge up ? A. NO. Q. Did renovation/restoration experts raise doubts over the methods being used prior to and during the bodge up ? A. Yes Q. Was I and the millions of other Sikhs there when the Thanda Burj at Sirhind was clad in cheap white marble by Kar Seva wale and who criticise this bodge up seva ? A. NO.

Read what I put and if you got to the bottom it clearly states : "Only kidding, please do not try this on anyone as it is an evil thing to do " Now if people are going to get their kachere in a twist over a joke then let them do so as I do not really give two hoots. The issue of meat is not a clearly defined and as such my post is not harmful.

Nothing to this dual nationality. It is not even proper dual nationality. The GOI has given the whole thing the name of Indian Overseas Citizen (IOC). You cannot hold 2 passports instead the GOI gives you a certificate which allows you to do everything an Indian passport holder can apart form vote in elections or stand as a candidate. The only difference between this and the Person of Indian Origin card scheme is that IOC is for life and allows you to hold agricultural land. Doubt it will lead to large inward investment into India as the bureaucracy is still there and makes doing business a total pain in the behind.

No they dont represent everyone just a small minority. This is shown by the actual number of members they have and the small numbers who attend their annual convention where very little is actually discussed. They are a marginal organisation with no real backing. Rather like the Dal Khalsa and SAD headed by SS Mann.