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any amrit sanchar in april vasakhi time around london area?

24TH DECEMBER 2010 AT BABA THAKUR SINGH JEE'S BARSI ( confirmed ) havelock road singh sabha southall

Gurbani Path darpan can be viewed here : http://www.scribd.com/doc/25264056/gurbani-path-darpan

The questions are from the Niddar Singh Nihang's website Really shows they don't have much knowledge when it comes to Gurbani + its history and and prob no different to the Missionaries, just an opposite version. in summary : No sharda 1. why do ancient sikh texts near unanimously say akali Nihang guru gobind singh decapitated goats and not singhs at the time of khalsa initiation. Interesting as Nihang Singhs of nowdays do believe that guru sahib decapitated the heads of the singhs. ' Satgur Mera maar jivaale' i guess thats the only evidence we need. think logically. have you seen 5 goats toghether and the racket they would make behind a tent? Come on lol 4. if the kirtar puri bir is the original guru durbar of the ineffable akali guru arjan dev then why are there so many mistakes in it Please read an listen to kathas of mahapursh i.e. sant giani gurbachan singh jee khalsa ( i.e. Gurbani paath darpan ) Aadh granth sahib kartarpur bir was not fully complete as bani mahala Naava was not in it. if you see kartarpuri beer we see empty spaces for the places where guru gobind singh later added bani mahala naava. Only Guru Sahib themselves know why certain differences were made at sabo ki talwandi ( you can see a list of comparisons between kartarpuri beer and damdami beer at the end of gurbani paat darpan pothi.) It is extremely foolish to call this mistakes! Other questions off the website. 13. If the, ‘Treh Chrittar’, found in Dasam Guru Durbar are not Sikh scripture (according to modern mainstream Sikh ideology), then why do modern institutions such as the A.K.J., S.G.P.C., Sant Samaj, etc., who hold this belief read, ‘Kabio Bach Benti Chaupai’, in their daily liturgy and also use this text when initiating new Khalsa? This text is the concluding part of the last Treh Chrittar. This goes to show how much knowledge they have. Each institution mentioned there believe in Charitro Paakhyan as bani, Missionaries etc do not. How could they even think about including sant samaj into that list? Bunch of jokers. . Why do the ancient Sikh historical texts such as Sarbloh Guru Durbar, Gurprtap Suraj Prakash, Naveen Panth Prakash etc. speak of 'Treh Mudra' (three adornments - kard, kachera and kesh) instead of the '5 Ks'* (* The 5 K - kesh (unshorn hair), kara (steel/iron war bracelet), kirpan/kard (dagger), kanga (wooden comb) and kachera (breeches))? I think the 1st thing we need to do is read SRI DASAM GRANTH SAHIB before other granths which should be studied after aad sri guru granth sahib, then dasam granth sahib. In sri dasam granth sahib there is a small bani called nishan-e-sikhi. This bani contains the basic rehat for sikhs. in this bani the panj kakaars are mentioned as ( kara kaardo kach kanga kesh.) Such questions should be asked to vidhvaans of these granths are not public. Baba trilok singh has given a satisfactory answer about treh mudr in his CD with katha on Sarabloh granth. 14. Why do not modern mainstream Sikhs, unlike Sanatan Sikhs, acknowledge the Dasam Guru Durbar as Guru as their ancestors did in the 18th century? Sikhs in 18th century never regarded Dasam granth Sahib As their sole Guru. They Gave it respect as Satguru Gobind Singh jee's Saroop and Bani, the embodiment of guru gobind singh jee. The guru ofcourse was satguru granth sahib jee, hence at sri darbar sahib only guru granth sahib jee was parkash, but at sri akaal thakat aad and dasam were both parkash, along with the parkash of shastars. 19. How come in Adi Guru Durbar one can find quotes to back both the argument of vegetarianism and meat-eating? Please show me where Satguru jee Backs meat eating? NO WHERE! People take the maas maas kar moorakh jhagre shabad out of context. The time, place and reason of this shabad needs to be studied before. Please listen to giani thakur singh or sant gurbachan singh jee's katha on this shabad. No doubt will be left. I don't know anything , so forgive my mistakes. I hope some more learned gursikhs on this website, will give more insight into these shanka invoking questions.

Baba Hari SIngh Ji Randhawe wale - they are in the UK for the next few weeks. Giani Pritam Singh Southall - had santhia of sri dasam granth and katha etc from Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindrawale Giani Ranjit singh Dami Dami Taksal- Student of Sant Kartar Singh

Sant jee are in England at the moment for this week. I think some of the questions above have already been answered by Neo Singh in his audios which he recorded a while ago. These have been answered previously i think : What if a person is not an Amritdhari Gursikh, can they still attain Sach Khand? Or will they forever be subject to their karam? -Is doing paathh the same as naam simran?

man the programme looks real downhill this year..2bh i wont even bother going this year with such a poor list of kirtanees. manpreet singh, davinder singh , harjinder singh,amandeep singh are all 'commercial' filmly shilmy wale man. last year we had amrik singh zakhmi, niranjan singh and so on.. WHERES THE KATHA VAACHIKS THIS YEAR??? last few years weve had giani thakur singh, giani hardeep singh , sant ranjit singh ect doing some proper katha. this year doesnt look that interesting...

to above, i think giani avtar singh jee badni kala wales katha fits what you are asking, only problem being it is not fully recorded yet

I thought Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaaraan come before Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?, maybe even before panj granthi? no they will not come before panj granthee. sometimes they are taught before sggs sometimes not..

this is from the book ' sankhep itihaas damdami taksaal' published by Giani Harnaam singh dhumma this is the order in which santhia is taught : -muharni, -panj bania nitnem, -panj granthi(jap ji sahib shabad hazare, Rehras, Sohilla, Sidh Gost, Anand, Bavan Akhan, Sukhmani and Asa ki //) -baee vaara ( vaars in guru granth sahib) -bhagat bani( all the bani of bhagats in sggs) -aad guru granth sahib -dasam granth sahib -bha gurdas ji vaara + kabit -bhai nand laal jis gazala -then pothis on vedaant such as sarkutaavli, bhaavrasamrit, vichar mala, adhiyaatam parkash , vichar saagar, chanaaka, moksh panth,birti prabhakar etc to my knowledge all gurbani is taught in lareevaar at all of the taksals

the language the shabad is written in is FARSI the script it is written in is GURMUKHI e.g. sahiskritee saloks are not in sanskrit or punjabi language , they are SAHISKRITEE but written in gurmukhi form most of dasam granth sahib jee is in farsi brij bhasa etc only chandi di vaar and 1 shabad are in punjabi language but in GURMUKHI script. the original poster is right yes there in farsi in guru granth sahib !

to bhai sukh singh youve just showed us the level of understanding people actually have in the writings in sri guru granth sahib which is not much. maybe you should get down to some good research and khoj of what languages in maharaj jee , you would be suprised bhai sahib... to the original poster YES guru nanak dev ji wrote 1 shabad in farsi , in persian script which was later written down by guru arajan dev jee in sri aadh guru granth sahib in gurmukhi script. we have to remember that gurbani came in music from in kirtan form not wriiten format. it was written later as a way of documentation etc but when guru sahib receieved gurbani from akal purakh is alwayas came in kritan form. i beleive guru arajn dev ji also wrote a shabad in farsi anways here is sri guru nanak dev jees bani in raag tilang , ' yak arz guftam ' ang 721 it is the 1st shabad in raag tilang raag thila(n)g mehalaa 1 ghar 1 ik oa(n)kaar sath naam karathaa purakh nirabho niravair akaal moorath ajoonee saibha(n) gur prasaadh || yak araj gufatham paes tho dhar gos kun karathaar || hakaa kabeer kareem thoo baeaib paravadhagaar ||1|| dhuneeaa mukaamae faanee thehakeek dhil dhaanee || mam sar mooe ajaraaeel girafatheh dhil haech n dhaanee ||1|| rehaao || jan pisar padhar biraadharaa(n) kas naes dhasatha(n)geer || aakhir biafatham kas n dhaaradh choo savadh thakabeer ||2|| sab roj gasatham dhar havaa karadhaem badhee khiaal || gaahae n naekee kaar karadham mam ea(n)aee chinee ahavaal ||3|| badhabakhath ham ch bakheel gaafil baenajar baebaak || naanak bugoyadh jan thuraa thaerae chaakaraa(n) paa khaak ||4||1|| Raag Tilang, First Mehla, First House: One Universal Creator God. Truth Is The Name. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying. Beyond Birth. Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace: I offer this one prayer to You; please listen to it, O Creator Lord. You are true, great, merciful and spotless, O Cherisher Lord. ||1|| The world is a transitory place of mortality - know this for certain in your mind. Azraa-eel, the Messenger of Death, has caught me by the hair on my head, and yet, I do not know it at all in my mind. ||1||Pause|| Spouse, children, parents and siblings - none of them will be there to hold your hand. And when at last I fall, and the time of my last prayer has come, there shall be no one to rescue me. ||2|| Night and day, I wandered around in greed, contemplating evil schemes. I never did good deeds; this is my condition. ||3|| I am unfortunate, miserly, negligent, shameless and without the Fear of God. Says Nanak, I am Your humble servant, the dust of the feet of Your slaves. ||4||1||

baba nand singh jee used to do chaah da bhog to guru sahib every morning. this still happens at nanaksar

Where did you get this information? Can you tell us the source of refrence? Are you telling us bthat pth of Guru sahiban was not enough for us to lead a life of gurmat. bhai sahib - this is from the book 'sankhep itihaas damdami taksal' written by didar singh Published by dam dami taksal itself. When learning katha etc it is important to learn vedaant along with other pothia. ajj kal katha vaachiks dont know the basics thats why they dont really effect teh sangat with their vichaar. if you look at maskeen jee, taksal kathavaachiks , nirmale sadhus, there katha has a large effect on sangat because of the fact they didnt stay narrow minded and studied evrything they could find 2 broaden tehir giaan, it is not a 'paap' (LOL) as many people see to read puratan granths on rajneetee,vedant. the whole point of a taksal is 2 mint a coin, and the point of sikh taksaals are 2 create a shudh coin from nothing...and in such cases you can't be narrow minded

from the bool sankhep itihaas damdami taksal , the taksal teaches: muharni, panj bania nitnem, panj granthi(jap ji sahib shabad hazare, Rehras, Sohilla, Sidh Gost, Anand, Bavan Akhan, Sukhmani and Asa ki //) baee vaara ( vaars in guru granth sahib) bhagat bani( all the bani of bhagats in sggs) aad guru granth sahib dasam granth sahib bha gurdas ji vaara + kabit bhai nand laal jis gazala then pothis on vedaant such as sarkutaavli, bhaavr samrit, vichar mala, adhiyaatam parkash , vichar saagar, chanaaka, makhosh panth,birti prabhakar etc