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#1 Long live the khalsa

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 04:42 AM

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

Sangat ji this topic is for everyone possible to post up as many shabads and quotes from gurbani about the prohibiting of meat alcohol tobbacco etc so that wenever someone asks why dont sikhs eat meat or why dont sikhs smoke, it can be justified with gurbani

wiked if everyone could contribute so moorakhs like me can understand maharaj better and get to know them http://www.sikhsanga...tyle_emoticons/default/blush.gif

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh :e:

bhul chuk maaf karni ji

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"Chunkar az hama heelate dar guzasht,

Halal ast burdan bshamshir dast."


(It is just to raise the sword when all other means fail).

SRI GURU GOBIND SINGH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ

NEVER FORGET 84!!!!!!!!!
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"SHAHEEDI, THEIR SACRIFICE WILL POUND FOR ETERNITY"
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#2 Long live the khalsa

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 04:49 AM

also the prohibiting of cutting hair, thanks
"Chunkar az hama heelate dar guzasht,

Halal ast burdan bshamshir dast."


(It is just to raise the sword when all other means fail).

SRI GURU GOBIND SINGH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ

NEVER FORGET 84!!!!!!!!!
Damdami Taksal

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"SHAHEEDI, THEIR SACRIFICE WILL POUND FOR ETERNITY"
SAADH SANGAT JI, UNITE. BE ONE, BE THE KHALSA

#3 Long live the khalsa

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 05:39 AM

slok mÚ 3 ]

salok ma 3 ||

Shalok, Third Mehl:



mwxsu BirAw AwixAw mwxsu BirAw Awie ]

maanas bhariaa aaniaa maanas bhariaa aae ||

One person brings a full bottle, and another fills his cup.



ijqu pIqY miq dUir hoie brlu pvY ivic Awie ]

jith peethai math dhoor hoe baral pavai vich aae ||

Drinking the wine, his intelligence departs, and madness enters his mind;



Awpxw prwieAw n pCwxeI Ksmhu Dky Kwie ]

aapanaa paraaeiaa n pashhaanee khasamahu dhhakae khaae ||

he cannot distinguish between his own and others, and he is struck down by his Lord and Master.



ijqu pIqY Ksmu ivsrY drgh imlY sjwie ]

jith peethai khasam visarai dharageh milai sajaae ||

Drinking it, he forgets his Lord and Master, and he is punished in the Court of the Lord.



JUTw mdu mUil n pIceI jy kw pwir vswie ]

jhoot(h)aa madh mool n peechee jae kaa paar vasaae ||

Do not drink the false wine at all, if it is in your power.



nwnk ndrI scu mdu pweIAY siqguru imlY ijsu Awie ]

naanak nadharee sach madh paaeeai sathigur milai jis aae ||

O Nanak, the True Guru comes and meets the mortal; by His Grace, one obtains the True Wine.



sdw swihb kY rMig rhY mhlI pwvY Qwau ]1]

sadhaa saahib kai ra(n)g rehai mehalee paavai thhaao ||1||

He shall dwell forever in the Love of the Lord Master, and obtain a seat in the Mansion of His Presence. ||1||
"Chunkar az hama heelate dar guzasht,

Halal ast burdan bshamshir dast."


(It is just to raise the sword when all other means fail).

SRI GURU GOBIND SINGH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ

NEVER FORGET 84!!!!!!!!!
Damdami Taksal

Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji Gatka Akhara
"SHAHEEDI, THEIR SACRIFICE WILL POUND FOR ETERNITY"
SAADH SANGAT JI, UNITE. BE ONE, BE THE KHALSA

#4 machete

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 05:03 AM

Commandments from sri Guru Granth Sahib JI:

Ang (page) 1103

You kill animals (living beings) and call it a righteous action (halal). Tell me brother what do you call an unrighteous action?
You call yourself the most excellent sage (person of great wisdom) then who do you call a butcher?

Ang (page) 140

If ones clothes are stained with blood, the garment becomes polluted, those who consume blood in the form of flesh (meat) how can their conscious be pure?

Ang723

The world eats dead carcasses, living by neglect and greed like goblins, or a beast, they kill and eat forbidden carcasses of meat. So control your urges or else you will be seized by the lord and thrown into the torture of hell.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 07:21 PM

the meat isue again... why do we talk about this stuff when their is no debate?

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#6 The Khalsa Fauj

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 08:11 PM

Please delete this thread or allow me to post!
Thanks!

#7 Paneet

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Posted 03 May 2006 - 01:10 PM

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Thank you for the quotes, they're awesome


I don't see any reason for this thread to be deleted - LLTK is just asking for some quotes from the Guru Granth Sahib. :lol:

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Posted 04 May 2006 - 02:18 AM

Commandments from sri Guru Granth Sahib JI:

Ang (page) 1103

You kill animals (living beings) and call it a righteous action (halal). Tell me brother what do you call an unrighteous action?
You call yourself the most excellent sage (person of great wisdom) then who do you call a butcher?

Ang (page) 140

If ones clothes are stained with blood, the garment becomes polluted, those who consume blood in the form of flesh (meat) how can their conscious be pure?

Ang723

The world eats dead carcasses, living by neglect and greed like goblins, or a beast, they kill and eat forbidden carcasses of meat. So control your urges or else you will be seized by the lord and thrown into the torture of hell.




Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

The discussion on meat is completly fruitless for me. I have no interest in discussing if emat is okay or not, however the quotes above do not speak about eating meat. Again I am not saying you can eat meat, I'm sayign the tuks of Gurbani have been misinterpreted.

Ang (page) 140

If ones clothes are stained with blood, the garment becomes polluted, those who consume blood in the form of flesh (meat) how can their conscious be pure?


This has nothing to do with meat. Have you purposly mistranslated the pangtee to suit you.
Here is STTMs translation -

Shalok, First Mehl: If one's clothes are stained with blood, the garment becomes polluted. Those who suck the blood of human beings-how can their consciousness be pure? O Nanak, chant the Name of God, with heart-felt devotion. Everything else is just a pompous worldly show, and the practice of false deeds. ||1||

blood of HUMAN BEINGS. What does that mean? This is the same thing as the Sakhi of Guru Nanak Dev Ji pouring blood out of one, and milk out of one roti. This Shabad is talking about 'haram di kamay', i.e. having an inhonest income and using other people.

ਅਰਥ: ਜੇ ਜਾਮੇ ਨੂੰ ਲਹੂ ਲੱਗ ਜਾਵੇ, ਤਾਂ ਜਾਮਾ ਪਲੀਤ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ (ਤੇ ਨਮਾਜ਼ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋ ਸਕਦੀ) (ਪਰ) ਜੋ ਬੰਦੇ ਮਨੁੱਖਾਂ ਦਾ ਲਹੂ ਪੀਂਦੇ ਹਨ (ਭਾਵ, ਧੱਕਾ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਹਰਾਮ ਦੀ ਕਮਾਈ ਖਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ) ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਮਨ ਕਿਵੇਂ ਪਾਕ (ਸਾਫ਼) ਰਹਿ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ (ਤੇ ਪਲੀਤ ਮਨ ਨਾਲ ਨਮਾਜ਼ ਪੜ੍ਹੀ ਕਿਵੇਂ ਕਬੂਲ ਹੈ)? ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! ਰੱਬ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਮੂੰਹੋਂ ਸਾਫ਼ ਦਿਲ ਨਾਲ ਲੈ (ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ) ਹੋਰ ਕੰਮ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਵਾਲੇ ਵਿਖਾਵੇ ਹਨ। ਇਹ ਤਾਂ ਤੁਸੀ ਕੂੜੇ ਕੰਮ ਹੀ ਕਰਦੇ ਹੋ ॥੧॥

Have you purposly mistranslated the pangtee? Because no-one else has translated it the way you have...
There is absolutly no other mention of the word 'blood' on that ang of Guru Granth Sahib Ji.


Ang723

The world eats dead carcasses, living by neglect and greed like goblins, or a beast, they kill and eat forbidden carcasses of meat. So control your urges or else you will be seized by the lord and thrown into the torture of hell.


Again mistranslation.

ਅਰਥ: ਹੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ! ਜੋ ਕੁਝ ਤੂੰ ਅੱਖੀਂ ਵੇਖਦਾ ਹੈਂ ਨਾਸਵੰਤ ਹੈ। ਪਰ ਦੁਨੀਆ (ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ) ਲਾਲਚ ਵਿਚ (ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਵਲੋਂ) ਭੁੱਲੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ, ਤੇ, ਹਰਾਮ ਖਾਂਦੀ ਰਹਿੰਦੀ ਹੈ (ਪਰਾਇਆ ਹੱਕ ਖੋਂਹਦੀ ਰਹਿੰਦੀ ਹੈ)। ਰਹਾਉ। ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਚੇਤਨ ਜੋਤਿ ਅਤੇ ਅਚੇਤਨ ਮਿੱਟੀ ਮਿਲਾ ਕੇ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨੇ ਇਹ ਜਗਤ ਇਹ ਜਹਾਨ ਬਣਾ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ।

Ang (page) 1103

You kill animals (living beings) and call it a righteous action (halal). Tell me brother what do you call an unrighteous action?
You call yourself the most excellent sage (person of great wisdom) then who do you call a butcher?


Looked though the entire ang, but coudn't find this. Would appreciate if you could post original Gurmukhi Pangtee.

As for as the abvoe two are concerned, you have obviously misinterpreted/mistranslated the pangtees to suit you.
I am in no way Saying Gurbani says its OK, but I'm sayign that these specific pangtees mentioned have absolutly nothing to do with the issue of meat, and thus it would mistranslating and misleading others about the pangtee. Let's not resort to such means, as this is our Guru. It is vital we understand what Guru ji is saying instead of misinterpreting and misttranslating tuks for our own belief's sake.

Again I do not want to get into the meat debate, as that is fruitless, all I'm saying is that these specific PANGTEES do not speak about meat.
Continue searching for releveant quotes, which actually DO forbid it, instead of mistranslating...

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Posted 12 May 2006 - 11:10 AM

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

AMg 1377
Page 1377

kbIr BWg mwCulI surw pwin jo jo pRwnI KWih ]
Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine

qIrQ brq nym kIey qy sBY rswqil jWih ]233]- no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||

AMg 1374
Page 1374

kbIr KUbu Kwnw KIcrI jw mih AMimRqu lonu ]
Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt.

hyrw rotI kwrny glw ktwvY kaunu ]188]
Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread? ||188||

bhul chuk maaf
waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
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Posted 13 May 2006 - 03:19 PM

What is the point of reading, studying and debating, if one loses his roots?

JAAAAP NAAAM MY FRIENDS FORGET THIS DEBATING




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