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now there's one main matter that has always stuck with me. Ive heard about it many times but still cannot understand as to why there is tension between us sikhs and the nirankari's. I do not know much about the Darshan Das's. But i have many friends that are nirankaris and they have never insulted or made any wrong comment regarding sikhs or the (GGSJ). Can someone tell me why there is still hate for nirankaris and Darshan Das's?????

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Darshan Das, Nirankaris, radha soamis are all anti-sikh cults.

They begin with the aid of the Indian government during the 1960/70's.

The leader of the Nirankaris was a man called Gurbachan Singh , it was a well knwon fact that he was a good friend of Indira Ghandi. Indira Ghandi gave Gurbachan Singh and his followers special treatment, and provided all sorts of help for their expansion. All Indian Embasies in foriegn countries were instructed to accord special treatment to Gurbachan Singh.

Gurbachan Singh Launched a tirade against the Sikh Gurus's and Sikh religion. He criticised Guru Nanak Dev Ji and equated him with a begger, he denounced Guru Gobind Singh Ji calling him simpluy a hunter and wanderer.

The Nirankaris published books titled 'Avtar Bani' and 'Yug Pursh' eulogising Avtar Singh, predecessor of Gurbachan Singh as teh real and greatest Avtar (incarnation of God) ever born on the earth. These books stated that Avtar Singh was the true Guru who is unparalledled in the history of mankind.

Gurbachan Singh actively aided by the government launched his Anti-Sikh movement with main thrust in Punjab.

It was Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwala who stood up against the anti-sikh movement. All other Sikh leaders at the time simply ignored them. When Sant Jarnail Ji become the head of the Dam Dami Taksal, he took it as his personal duty to bulldoze the movement.

On September 13th 1973 Gurbachan Singh gave a d speech near the Dam Dami Taksal HQ in which he criticised and insulted the Gurus. Sant Jarnial Ji organised a massive protest against the Nirankaris. Hundreds of Sikhs were arrested under the orders of Giani Zail Singh who was also a good friend of Indira Ghandi.

On the 13th of April 1978, It was Baisakhi and the Nirankaris in a calculated move decided to hold their annual convention in Amritsar to coincide with the Baisakhi celebrations.

Sant Jarnail Ji asked senior politicans to ban this convention but it was allowed to go ahead. Sant Jarnail Ji decided to send a Jatha (squad) of devout Sikhs to lodge a PEACEFUL protest against the anti-Sikh activities.

But the blood thirsty Nirankaris opened fire on the Jatha killing 13 innocent Sikhs. The police stood by and did nothing. When Sant Jarnail Singh Ji heard of this he vowed that he would not allow the blood of 13 Singhs go to waste. Murder charges were registered against the Nirankari criminals and leader Gurbachan Singh but they were never arrested.

On th 10th of June 1978 Gurdial Singh Ajonha the Jathedar of the Akal Thakat issued a Hukamnama which declared that:

"the NIrankaris headed by Gurbachan Singh have laucnhed a pernicious attack against the Sikhs and their Gurus, it is aimed at denigrating the Sikhs religion. The nirankari cheif who poses himself as Avtar ( God-incarnate) has massacred 13 Sikhs on Baisakhi. Every Sikh is required to oppose by all means the vicious Sect of the Nirankaris which is the enmy of teh Sikh faith. Every Sikh is further directed to severe all relations with the Nirankaris and with those Sikhs who have joined or still supported the immoral sect of Nirankaris"

This is just a brief account of who these scumbags are, Nirankaris are just as bad as the Moghuls who totured are Gurus and their children.

Your question said that you are friends with Nirankaris, a Hukamnama issued by the Akal Thakat has ordered you to severe all links with them. Not obeying a Hukamnama is the same as turning your back on Waheguru.

If you want to know more about these cults, do some reserach, i recommend you read the 'The Gallant Defender' written by A.R Darshi

As for Darshan Das he also claimed to be some sort of 'GURU', His followers called him SAHAZ AVTAR MAHRAZ DARSHAN DAS JI.

I have heard stories of him saying that he can control god in the palm of his hand. He has also made many insults towards our Gurus.

But fortunatly enough some Chardi Kala singhs took care of this guy in the early 90's. He was shot dead at Dormers Wells High School, Southall. His son took over as teh leader of this cult.

For someone who claims to be a Guru, it sure wasnt hard to pump his body with bullets. The 2 Singhs that killed this scum are still in prison i believe but will be coming out shortly.

Every year the followers of Darshan Das hold a vigil outside Dormers Wells Hih school, with candels and flowers etc... Next year i am aiming to disrupt their get together with the aid of all the sangat on here.

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of course they don't insult SGGS ji in front of you, that's like a death wish, insulting guru sahib in front of a sikh. they do the insulting behind our backs at their satsangs, with their living "guru" blessing people with "naam"

what do you expect, them waling around slandering guru sahib? it's deeper than that. they claim to be sikhs, and have living guru. they don't belive in amrit, khande da pahul. what more dierespect are you looking for, the "f" word or something?

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well i fink u gt it all rong! nirankari's do not criticise or disrespect any religion especially sikhism! what ever you hear is based on false accusations and misjudgements i feel you should get the facts right before trying to judge on what they have believed to have said.

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Penji no one has teh right to judge anyone. However we have a right to defend our faith against attack. That is exactly what the Nirankaris have been doing since they were formed. The Guru Granth Sahib is our final and eternal Guru, anyone who believes in some sort of living Guru is obviously attaking the teachings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Therefore an obvoius attack on Sikhi.

I would also liek to add that everything i wrote in the obove thread is all true. If you dont want to take my word for it, then dont !go ask your parenst and grandparents who were around at the time. Go and read up on it, there are many books. Ask any Gursikh who knows about there history.

Sab Sikhin ko hukam ha, Guru manao Granth!!!

It is my personal beleif that the had the Nirinkaris not been started perhaps teh attacks in 1984 could have been prevented. I believe this because Sant Jarnail Singh JI's fight against the Nirankaris lead to him being classed as a terrorist by the Indian Government.

As Sikhs we all know who our True Gurus are, and yet we are foolish and stupid enough to beleive in these fake, copy-cat, and stupid men who call themselves Gurus who can control God. Open your eyes, there are only 11 Gurus (the 11th being Guru GRANTH SAHIB JI) anyone who claims to be a Guru is the biggest MOORAKH, and anyone who belives in them are even bigger MOORAKS!!!

Pul Chuk Maf Karni

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1. im a male , so dnt call me penji

2. nirankaris were not disrespecting sikhs intentionally so why the fuss

3. ive even asked my parents etc and they even said its all an exaggeration

4. i have many nirankari friends and they never feel anything awkward towards any gursikhs

5. Nirankari Guru 'Baba Hardev Singh Ji Maharaj' has never disrespected Guru Gobind Singh Ji

6. Yes i should follow the Hukamnama but my friends are not converting me or trying to , they are happy in their own way likewise same with me!!!

sorry if ive offended anyone!

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5. Nirankari Guru 'Baba Hardev Singh Ji Maharaj' has never disrespected Guru Gobind Singh Ji

if i claim to be your father, that isn't disrespectful?

guru gobind singh ji is the father of the sikh nation. No living gurus after him. so when these nirankari "gurus" claim guruship and call themselves sikhs, your not insulted, please.

your not here to learn, your trying to push your friends' nirankari agenda on us. you have failed, move on.

nice try though. but a very old tactic by people on this board.

hope you find sangat of gursikhs.

peace.

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5. Nirankari Guru 'Baba Hardev Singh Ji Maharaj' has never disrespected Guru Gobind Singh Ji

if i claim to be your father, that isn't disrespectful?

guru gobind singh ji is the father of the sikh nation. No living gurus after him. so when these nirankari "gurus" claim guruship and call themselves sikhs, your not insulted, please.

your not here to learn, your trying to push your friends' nirankari agenda on us. you have failed, move on.

nice try though. but a very old tactic by people on this board.

hope you find sangat of gursikhs.

peace.

i am not trying to do anything or push any agendas. i feel your being very arrogant in ur point fair enuf u have an opinion but so do i!!!! Nirankaris are Nirankaris they do not go on saying yes we are sikhs , they take the Gian and this makes them a Nirankari!!!

If your wondering why Baba Hardev Singh Ji Maharaj wears a turban and has a beard well he originated from a sikh family but he and all the millions of followers are NIRANKARIS not SIKHS!!!

Dont understand why there is no respect from sikhs to nirankaris when nirankaris feel respect for sikhs!!!

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well i fink u gt it all rong! nirankari's do not criticise or disrespect any religion especially sikhism! what ever you hear is based on false accusations and misjudgements i feel you should get the facts right before trying to judge on what they have believed to have said.

Every time one of you brethren appear on this site claiming we're not bad mouthing Sikhism, i question them to why they need another faith?? When Sikhism offers it ALL!! They are just breakaway groups promoting themsleves with everything that is false!

Sikhi caters for all the needs of the world! We need no radha swami nirnakari etc etc! Accept it and don't be brainwashed

Gur Fateh!

1. im a male , so dnt call me penji

2. nirankaris were not disrespecting sikhs intentionally so why the fuss

3. ive even asked my parents etc and they even said its all an exaggeration

4. i have many nirankari friends and they never feel anything awkward towards any gursikhs

5. Nirankari Guru 'Baba Hardev Singh Ji Maharaj' has never disrespected Guru Gobind Singh Ji

6. Yes i should follow the Hukamnama but my friends are not converting me or trying to , they are happy in their own way likewise same with me!!!

sorry if ive offended anyone!

Giving him that title is insulting to the Sikhs as their can be no more Gurus after the living Guru Gobind Singh ji, and the current Guru Granth Sahib Ji!

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