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Sikh Channel - Biggest Fraud Going!

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Can the Sikh Channel also let us know how much they have raised through people donating as a one of payment, they are only displaying the amount of Direct Debits.

TRANSPERANCY PLEASE !!

DISPLAY YOUR BOOKS ON THE SIKH CHANNEL TOO ......

I SUPPORT THE CHANNEL BUT I AM ALSO AWARE ITS NOT A CHARITY SO PLEASE BE TRANSPARENT !!

Why you asking them on SikhSangat? Do you really think the owners of the channel have time to read these ridiculously stupid and long thread?! Go call them, go to their website and find out how to get intouch. SikhSangat is not the Sikh Channel! *Shock* *Horror* (!)

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Can the Sikh Channel also let us know how much they have raised through people donating as a one of payment, they are only displaying the amount of Direct Debits.

TRANSPERANCY PLEASE !!

DISPLAY YOUR BOOKS ON THE SIKH CHANNEL TOO ......

I SUPPORT THE CHANNEL BUT I AM ALSO AWARE ITS NOT A CHARITY SO PLEASE BE TRANSPARENT !!

Why you asking them on SikhSangat? Do you really think the owners of the channel have time to read these ridiculously stupid and long thread?! Go call them, go to their website and find out how to get intouch. SikhSangat is not the Sikh Channel! *Shock* *Horror* (!)

But they did have time wen they were launching the channel to come on this site and tell ppl about it!

This is an important and one of the main sikh youths website and i think its a responsible thing to be following the ongoing democratic debates about the channel as they are throwing up a lot of ideas for adjustments,reshaping ,future direction ,and how this channel is being perceived. You cannot just ask people to shut up and set up debits . while thats an ongoing process, you need to simultaneously be sensitive to what is being discussed . thats a sign of strength ,not weakness .

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1,141 DD`s so far

Waheguruuu!

Hope they reach their target!

Come one saad sangat!, lets all sign up!!

Fateh

When do they need to reach their target?

First it was by the 14th August, then by the end of the month,...I think now they've given up on a deadline....

:rolleyes:

Didn't they need to reach this target by a certain deadline otherwise they were threatening that they'd go off air??

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The Sikh Channel tells us how many direct debits have been set up but not the total money these direct debits have raised, also the one off payments too.The channel is a brilliant idea but it would be nice to have tranparency as the Sangat is funding it

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The Sikh Channel tells us how many direct debits have been set up but not the total money these direct debits have raised, also the one off payments too.The channel is a brilliant idea but it would be nice to have tranparency as the Sangat is funding it

The Sikh channel without doubt is a good idea, but the execution is extremely poor.

And the thing is another Sikh channel is on the way.

Things need to be done, soorch sumaj keh.

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im just soo amazed on how stup*d Sikhs are, to carry on this topic. get a lifee!

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LOL at this whole topic, paneer monster is a great firestarter!

Sikh Channel is doing a sewa if u dont like it u noe wer to go!

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WJKK WJKF

LOL... god must look down on us and laugh... idiots.

Guys ... we have a sikh channel ... its a great step... why do we worry about money ( i know i do it myself aswell) its a by product i know those who live on minimum wage i know those that live off the gov and i know those that have £1000 a week jobs and those that have mills in the banks. the Dharm Raja know s all and we all have to do pesh and account for our actions. If you think the sikh channel is bad then do something start your own .... look how many the christains and muslims have... they all have donation rallying days. Why should we stop at one....stop slagging/ doing nindia.... what ever you think of the people behind the scenes the basic point is they broadcast guru jis bani and namm straight to our houses they allow those that have never experinced the rass of gurbani to fulfill the thirst for the gurus knowlegde but we love to look negativlty... the thing is we are niaive and stupid we love to bicker amongst ourselves.

Someone once said .... in the past Our sikh used to be pure and strong our gurdware used to be Weak and falling down now our gurdware are strong and colourful but our sikh is weak and falling down...

Congratulations to the enemys of the sikh faith.. your plan is becomeing fruitful... but remmember the history of the sikhs is built upon the shoulders and heads of shaheeds we will not die and fall like you expect.

Bhul Chuk Maff

WJKK WJF

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Gurfateh Ji

I have been watching sikh channel since it launched and have seen the constant appeals.

But what they have done today takes the biscuit.

I have been speaking to many people who have just recently been helping out at the sikh channel

first of all they are trying to run a sikh channel, demanding money and not delivering quality programming.

They are lying to the sangat its not costing them £50,000 per month

They are sharing resources with their sister channel brit asia, all they are paying are for is the sky fees and their share of the bandwith which is going to be no more than £20,000

They are not paying for staff as they have inturns from europe, and have 2 paid staff which they are paying pennies to.

SIkh channel is not a charity and they misleading the sangat by saying support when the money is going into the back pocket of mr bal.

The sikhs need a channel but they need one that is transparent and delivers what they promise.

sangat have no issues in supporting a channel but they should be honest with their intentions and not mislead them by presenting themselves as a non profit org

check this out......http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/in-practice/sdt-decisions/davinder-singh-bal

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chorrs!! i dont think the sikh community cares about this, prob thinkin at least we hav a channel regardless of how dodgy

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check this out......http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/in-practice/sdt-decisions/davinder-singh-bal

I don't see what relevance this has to the channel. If people don't like the owner, don't want to contribute or simply don't like the channel, theres always the option to select the turn off button on the remote or don't contribute.

We've been after a Sikhi channel for years, and when we get it, it's our own community trying to destory it. The Law Society decision could possibly be a indication of the owners character but in the absence of anyone else, i'd rather have him at the helm than the narakdhari supporters at sunrise, the darshan dass supporters at aastha or major sandhu et al at matv.

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The Sikh Channel is doing a much better job than any other Sikh media outlet. They aren't perfect, but credit where credit's due.

The post by 'Zindagi' above is mostly lies. It's easy to find out how much it costs just to have Sky broadcast your channel, it aint cheap. Till now, we've had many people talk about doing things, but not actually doing anything. At least Sikh Channel is real, lol.

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it seems like the channel is being run as a business, rather then a community channel. if the person is charge is a multi millionaire etc, he must be a business man by nature. all he would care about would be the bottom line figures.

iv watched the channel a few times and the programmes to me seem shabbily produced, indicating that the money they are collecting through direct debits is not being put back into programming.

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you can download the PDf with all the details of his case but these are the interesting ones

Point 16 - basically he's using his family to skim money ...

Point 27 - he was making £190 off each refferal to a doctor ...£190 for making a doctors appointment !!!!!! he was charging this to the insurer of the client

Point 31 Police protection !!!! What's he been up to ?

this guy is running a channel and representing the sikh community, doesnt look good when your runnin rverything like a cowboy

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To be fair to him, he doesn't appear on any of the shows so we can't say he's representing the community. Rather than try to damage the Sikh Channel, we should work to improve it or put our money where our mouths are and open an alternative channel.

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We havent got any other visual media outlets apart from the Sikh Channel at present whereas the Indian sponsored channels actively support and give airtime to anti-Sikh parcharaks such as darshan das on aastha (the same channel that broadcast jhoota sauda in india) and narakhdharis on sunrise channel (the group responsible for death of bhai fauja singh and other sikhs in 1978). Yet our community seems to tolerate these channels but slate the channel which supports Sikhi and not the views of its owner. Furthermore the judgement relates to a different business and not the channel itself.

Agreed the quality of Sikh Channel programmes isn't exactly brilliant but the content largely is. Until the channel becomes more established and can pay at market rates, i doubt programming professionals will be sending their CVs in. Also non-sikh programming professionals are unlikely to join a channel on a religion they know nothing or little about.

Maybe those on the fence could give the channel a chance, and those who dont like the channel or the owner, switch over to something else.

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If I see the word Bandwith one more time i'm gonna crack up.

Do any of you mentioning it even know what Bandwith means? lol.

If Sikh Channel announces it is going to stop broadcasting tomorrow, you will regret slating it.

I dont think we fully understand the costs involved in running a channel. Its alot more than just the offcom costs.

On the other side, I think Sikh Channel can practice a little more TRANSPARENCY with a break-down of exactly where the sangats money will be spent/appropriated.

This will serve to clear up any Doubts people have (and as i can see theres alot of doubts).

Lets ask Sikh Channel to do that, instead of calling them frauds.

Listing Mr Bal's many Assets does not neccessarily mean he is stealing sangats money.

We as Sikhs need to Google broadcasting costs a little less, and focus more on supporting the only Sikh Channel.

Muslims have channels, Christians have countless channels, hindus have channels. Sikhs have only this one.

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I hear people saying "oh it doesnt matter what the owner of the channel is like, as long as we have a Sikh Channel..."

I ask those people this: "ARE YOU LISTENING TO YOURSELVES?!"

Seriously, is this what Sikhi is teaching us? Are we that materialistic?! Would Sarbans Dhaani Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee instruct his Sikhs to support a cause or such an organisation, no matter how big, if its core owner and admin was this corrupt? If we had such a true leader in this day and age, would they teach us to support this guy and his work?

Look, everyone knows that the owner of the channel has been linked to such crimes, but one would have hoped that after starting a Sikh Channel that he would have stopped. Are we really this desperate for such a "Sikh Channel" that we continue to support fraudsters?

If the panth wants a Sikh Channel, then Sikhs should get together and start a Sikh Channel together which belongs to the panth and funds the panth - not an individual.

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Sky has stopped handing out any more EPG slots / channels as they are now full in the set up that sky has linking satellites,shame on all of you slandering the channel.This guy didn't have to open the Sikh Chnl. but he did so credit should be given where due,don't see the spgc doing a Sikh Chnl or any other Sikh group,but it has been left to the average sangat or members of the mainstream Sikhs do to do.There will NOT be another Sikh Chnl to make a rival as Sky can't give anymore slots and besides how many will fund another channel - not many as we have seen how useless we are as a community.

A few chnls ahead from Sikh Chnl.there is a channel called up & comming tv this is where channels who are waiting for a slot broadcast 1/2 hours of their preview programmes and almost every preview of a new channel is a muslim channel who are waiting for one channel or another to go bankcrupt so Sky can give the old slot to them,so all in all we can't let Sikh Chnl loose its place/slot on Sky as it will be taken over by another muslim channel.

Rather than slander the channel support it,Mr Bal's personal life has nothing to do with the Channel and nor does he claim to be a Sikh leader,Harjap Bhangal has just posted it as hes a solicitor himself - prbably a rival

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Difference between slander and truth Southall Youth. Slander refers to false allegations, rumours so forth. I think whatever has been highlighted by Harjap, with whatever intention, is valid and has been proved in a court of law. So lets not pass that off as slander.

And you are wrong... SKY EPG numbers are still available. They are not allowing any SD (Standard Definition) EPG's but are accepting and distributing HD EPG's. IN addition, past channels that have gone off air are allowed to auction and sell on their EPG numbers and theyre are a few doing the rounds. Owners of RAJ TV were once auctioning off their EPG numbers. So another Sikh Channel is not off the cards, by no means. Who knows, we may even have a HD Sikh Channel and looking in the near future, a 3D Sikh Channel.

Current holders of EPG numbers can sell them as well and they normally do so after they get good exposure on Sky... think about it.

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Ok case may have been proven but the guy aint 'evil' is he and if a new Sikh Chnl comes about look what Sikh Chnl wen through 700,000 Sikhs couldn't even support it.I say we stick with this channel and make it stronger it has bought bani in to peoples houses who would have never listened to bani,even sharabis down my road have turned a new leaf

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We havent got any other visual media outlets apart from the Sikh Channel at present whereas the Indian sponsored channels actively support and give airtime to anti-Sikh parcharaks such as darshan das on aastha (the same channel that broadcast jhoota sauda in india) and narakhdharis on sunrise channel (the group responsible for death of bhai fauja singh and other sikhs in 1978). Yet our community seems to tolerate these channels but slate the channel which supports Sikhi and not the views of its owner. Furthermore the judgement relates to a different business and not the channel itself.

Agreed the quality of Sikh Channel programmes isn't exactly brilliant but the content largely is. Until the channel becomes more established and can pay at market rates, i doubt programming professionals will be sending their CVs in. Also non-sikh programming professionals are unlikely to join a channel on a religion they know nothing or little about.

Maybe those on the fence could give the channel a chance, and those who dont like the channel or the owner, switch over to something else.

Yes there are many non Sikhs that daily slander the Sikhs but nobody questions them. While the Sikh Channel and Punjab Radio are attacked daily on this site, the Indian Channels allow KPS Gill , many of the Indian Politicians that have murdered Sikhs on are not even mentioned. Do we find it better to attack our fellow Sikhs but are terrified of our external enemies?

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lsingh - Punjab Radio is a waste of space. The quicker it gets shut down, the better. The Sikh Channel is a different story and deserves our support - simply because it's the only one we have, and at least they aren't a tool for kala afghana propaganda. It's better that our people at home watch Sikh Channel rather than the Christian / Islamic Punjabi channels, or Zee tv etc.

Anyway, this topic has run its course.

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