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#1 _kaur_

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Posted 01 November 2009 - 10:10 PM

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So sangatjee Who are Neeldhari? Last month some far relatives of mine who are Neeldhari married off their son in a Neeldhari Dera (as they mentioned it), and the Laavaan didn't take place around Guroo Maharaj but Fire (Havan?). They believe in Guroo Maharaaj but at the same time a Sant, I am sorry but I don't know about his kamaaee so I won't comment. But looking at the videos on youtube the sangat bows before him as well in the hazoori of Maharaaj. I am just confused about who they are. Are they a sect from Namdharis? Or what? I am curious.

Also please don't use offensive language, Gursikhs don't need that to get their word across.

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 12:15 PM

As far as I know, Neeldharis are offshoots of Namdharis, but they claim original Namdharis used to wear blue instead of white.

They are anti Panthic, as they bow to some Sant before Guru Maharaj.

They have many Karam Kaand rituals like doing arti of Guru Granth Sahib with fire, marriages around fire instead of Guru Ji (havan)...

You can see in their "satsangs" all of them wear blue dastaars and mostly white clothes.

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 02:07 PM

They are similar to Namdharis, i think you can find more info of them on the net
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Nickshay jim kaher parbat tay tas sobh divaliya pavagay.
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Posted 02 November 2009 - 03:07 PM

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I was searching about them online, but didn't find much. Some sites say that they seperated from Naamdharis in 1990s or something, and some sites call them a sect from Naamdhari still. I didn't want just a one side information on them, which would've been from their main website that's why I came here. On one of the youtube videos there are Panj Pyaarey in their sangat here is the link :- check at 6:00.

Then they are during 300 saal Guru dey Naal :-

(people neeldhari along with being Amritdhari?)

Is there anyone who can please give more information on them. I don't think they are the same as Naamdhari, since they believe in Guroo Maharaaj, and Amrit, looking at the Panj Pyaarey and well some of them being Amritdhari. But the only problem is the Sant they believe in doing Matha Tek to him? Please enlighten this confused soul. Thanks.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 01:26 AM

The neeldharis seperated fromt he Namdharis, they only believe the gurus up to Balak Singh and then in the Shabad Guru. They also believe in the spiritual status of the Saints as guides. i will try to find some sites for you
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Turkuch Toorang sapach bado kar kaad kirpaan kampayingay.
Nickshay jim kaher parbat tay tas sobh divaliya pavagay.
bhal bhaag bhaya ih sumbhal kay har joo har mandar avaigay.
(KalKee Avtar Pauree 141)

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 03:22 AM

Sunny If your definition of panthic is whatever 'I' say is panthic, then you could consider them anti panthic. However they are not. When the Sant jee goes to harmander Sahib jee they are given saropa by the Jathedhar of Akal Takhat and respected.

Neeldharis take kandi bati dee amrit.

Neeldharis believe in the Guru granth Sahib as the guru. You can listen to the videos of Sant Harnam Singh kile wali going to a meeting about raag mala and bachan about believing Guru granth sahib jee as pargat gura kee deh. Its on Youtube.

Kam is correct. Neeldharis and Naamdharis split.

Harbaljeet Singh pipli kirtani is in the UK at the moment, I suggest you take your questions to them, im sure he will be willing to answer them. Or even better go to Pipli Sahib and discuss your issues with the Sant.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 02:45 PM

Sunny If your definition of panthic is whatever 'I' say is panthic, then you could consider them anti panthic. However they are not. When the Sant jee goes to harmander Sahib jee they are given saropa by the Jathedhar of Akal Takhat and respected.

Neeldharis take kandi bati dee amrit.

Neeldharis believe in the Guru granth Sahib as the guru. You can listen to the videos of Sant Harnam Singh kile wali going to a meeting about raag mala and bachan about believing Guru granth sahib jee as pargat gura kee deh. Its on Youtube.

Kam is correct. Neeldharis and Naamdharis split.

Harbaljeet Singh pipli kirtani is in the UK at the moment, I suggest you take your questions to them, im sure he will be willing to answer them. Or even better go to Pipli Sahib and discuss your issues with the Sant.


Watch this video, given by Kaur They are bowing to their Baba.

Then this video just topped it off

These guy are not in the best interest of Sikhi. That's obvious. The Beadbi of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji has gone to many hieghts.

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 03:00 PM

Below is the link to one of the main neeldhari sites. One it you will see that they believe in only one Guru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and believe that saints play a prominant role in their lives. Quite similar to the other sampardas

http://neeldhari.weebly.com/
Paap Sunbooh Binasun Ko Kaalkee Avtaar Kahavingay.
Turkuch Toorang sapach bado kar kaad kirpaan kampayingay.
Nickshay jim kaher parbat tay tas sobh divaliya pavagay.
bhal bhaag bhaya ih sumbhal kay har joo har mandar avaigay.
(KalKee Avtar Pauree 141)

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 02:22 AM


Sunny If your definition of panthic is whatever 'I' say is panthic, then you could consider them anti panthic. However they are not. When the Sant jee goes to harmander Sahib jee they are given saropa by the Jathedhar of Akal Takhat and respected.

Neeldharis take kandi bati dee amrit.

Neeldharis believe in the Guru granth Sahib as the guru. You can listen to the videos of Sant Harnam Singh kile wali going to a meeting about raag mala and bachan about believing Guru granth sahib jee as pargat gura kee deh. Its on Youtube.

Kam is correct. Neeldharis and Naamdharis split.

Harbaljeet Singh pipli kirtani is in the UK at the moment, I suggest you take your questions to them, im sure he will be willing to answer them. Or even better go to Pipli Sahib and discuss your issues with the Sant.


Watch this video, given by Kaur They are bowing to their Baba.

Then this video just topped it off

These guy are not in the best interest of Sikhi. That's obvious. The Beadbi of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji has gone to many hieghts.


Our Bazorags used to matta tek to Guru Granth Sahib maharaj and then do namaskar to the sadh sangat, left and right they lower their heads with folded hands saying fateh jee. Today we like to spit rubbish at each other and then call namaskar beadbi.

If some people do something we label them all. Because Bhai Sahib Jaswinder Singh head granthi Harmander Sahib was dancing, i wonder if all Sikhs do not have best interest of Sikhi? He is head granthi after all, representing all of us and one of the Singh sahib jees. Compare Singh sahib jee to the video you posted who are some ppl from a village. Anyway your not going to do anything about the beadbi which feel you can see...

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 09:48 AM

I checked out that website, neeldhari.weebly.com

Can someone please tell me why there are 2 pictures of the so called "Kili Wale Maharaj" wearing a blue coloured safari hat on top of his dastaar ??








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