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anyone know how to tie a dhari up so it looks smart. tried a few times but it looks a mess, loose and untidy

something along the lines of monty panesars dhari would be good, so it looks natural

http://img.skysports.com/07/10/218x298/Monty_Panesar_588975.jpg

any decent sprays/gels would also be welcome.

I dont want it to look like loads of gel has been applied as in this pic. http://www.bhatra.co.uk/manage/Admin/Uploads/11928273741192827374at8lc10v.jpg

any ideas

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True Beards

By Bhai Sahib Randheer Singh

Translated by Admin www.tapoban.org

sae daaReeaaa(n) sacheeaa(n) ji gur charanee lagan||

andin saevan gur aapaNaa anadin anand rahan||

Naanak sae moh sohaNae sachai dar disan||52||

mukh sachae sach daaReeaa sach boleh(n) sach kamaahi(n) ||

sachaa shabad man vasiaa sathigur maahi(n) samaahi(n) ||

sachee raasee sach dhan uttam padavee paa(n)hi(n) ||

sach suneh(n) sach man lain sachee kaar kamaahi(n) ||

sachee daragah baisaNaa sachae maahi(n) samaahi(n) ||

Naanak viN satgur sach n paaeeai manamukh bhoolae jaa(n)hi(n) ||53||

(Vaaraa(n) tay vadheek, salok M:3, p. 1419)

The clear meaning of this gurvaak’s pangtee (line) is that those good and true Gurmukh beards are true and pure that touch the Guru’s feet. Meaning, those straight bearded Gurmukhs, are true Gurmukhs, who when going to the Guru’s feet, have their beards automatically have their straight Gurmukhi beards touch the Guru’s feet. How can trimmed or tucked beards touch the Guru’s feet? When trimmed and tucked bearded ones go to bow before Satguru Guru Granth Sahib, their trimmed and tucked beards do not touch the Guru’s feet. These days it has become a fashion that however many Sikhs we see, all compete to bend and twist their beards upwards. Some tuck them up so high after slicking them that it’s as if they don’t even want people to know they have a beard. Before it was just army Sikhs who rolled their beards but now all the Sikh employees of every department roll them. They also come to the Gurdwara. The boy before Guru Granth Sahib and their beards cannot touch the Guru’s feet. They are following into the imitation of the Hindus.

In their hearts they wonder why did they ever get a beard? But now they must keep the beard they have. They want to keep calling themselves Sikhs but also want to keep their Departmental Officers pleased. But even then they are not pleased. Those people would be happy only if all Sikhs became cleanshaven like them. The self-seeking Sikhs cannot fall into the habit of trimming their beards like the Hindus, but by twisting and bending their beards up, they try to get the selfish happiness of the Hindus. This self-interested selfishness will be of no used to the Sikhs and it will end up ruining their spirituality.

Those Sikhs who are spoiled by self-interest will make excuses that, “how will rolling one’s beard ruin spirituality? Spirituality is related to the mind/heart.” In reply to those tucked bearded ones, we reply, “Kabeer man moonDiaa nahee kaes munDa-ay kaai(n). Jo kicch keea so man keeaa moo(n)Daa moo(n)D ajaai(n).101. (p. 1369).

At this, those who cut the hair on their faces and heads cannot think of any reply, but rely on the next vaak: “bhaavai(n) laa(n)bay kaes kar bhaavai(n) gharar mu(n)Daai.25. (1365).

They do not understand the true meaning of this Gurvaak. The true essence of this vaak is criticism of the manmati practice of growing one’s hair like dread-locked non-Sikhs do and then keeping them unnaturally by making them to into dust matted dreadlocks. It has been clearly explained that to unnaturally grow ones hair in this way or to cut them off are both practices to be abandoned. Kesh come naturally and one should leave them in their natural state. The practices of making the hair fashionable or to decorate them are both proscribed. Hearing this answer, people with cut hair and beards cannot think of any further reply and their mouths are locked.

But our brothers who roll their beards, and especially those who tie them into a ball on their chin, make the excuse that “Look, hair on the head are kept in a knot, if we keep our beards in a knot or roll it up, what’s the problem?” It is enough of an answer to them to say that a Gursikh must keep Dashmesh jee’s rehit as paramount and to obey all his orders. For example, “Kangha dono(n) vakat kar, paag chunay kar baa(n)dhaiee.”

A dastaar can only be tied on the head “chuN kay” if the kesh on the head are kept from scattering and are kept in a jooRaa. But there is no need to do this with the beard by slicking it and twisting and rolling it. It is even a greater manmat to tie a thaathee or net on the beard and then come to the divan. I have seen many faithful rehit-keeping Sikhs who while spending their entire lives in the army did not roll their beards. It is also a maha-manmat for army Sikhs to obey such a law that says Singh-Soldiers must roll their beards. To obey this is a very big weakness. This weakness has occurred to such and extent that seeing the Sikh soldiers, Sikhs in other departments have also begun to roll their beards. It is now to such an extent that without any shame, employees from all the departments now come to the Guru’s Divaan with tied beards. It is considered a thing of pride to come to the divaan with a tied beard. Today in the Guru’s Divaan, you will see very few such Sikhs who have Gurmukhi beards. Otherwise everyone is in the habit of coming to Divaans with tied beards and will not feel and shyness about it. These self-interested so-called Sikhs feel that obeying their so-called Government’s order is prime. It is because of this that they have turned their back on the true Government’s true orders. It is a danger that the state of some of these so-called Sikhs may not reach such a level that they drown in the atheist movement and become atheists. Hopefully they will not turn their backs altogether on beard and kesh in the desire for higher offices and positions, like many employees and government officers, especially army ones have, cutting their kesh and beards, all for false offices. The false ranks of Captain, Colonel, General, etc. will be of no use to them and they will be left here. In the Guru’s court they will receive such shoves that their false government’s appeals will not be enough and they will be left in regret.

It is not at all my belief that every Sikh who ties his beard can even dream of such a thing. They have a firm belief in keeping the beard and kesh, they are simply stuck in the custom of tying the beard after seeing others do the same. But this is such a horrible custom that it is growing every day. It is to such an extent that no Sikh from any department can be found who does not tie his beard. It is with regret that I say that there are some Sikhs, whose wives like to see their husbands with rolled beards.

Many cases have been peshed in the Jatha where Singhs have been asked why they are not living with their wives an they answer clearly that their wives want that they should remove their black hairs and only then will they live with them. But these faithful Singhs did not accept this manmat-filled order of their wives and thought it best to leave them. After investigation if has been found out that some did indeed pull out their black hairs. Some so-called Sikh women do not find it manmat to remove their other bodily hair. Those half-baked Sikhs are maha-manmatis who disrespect their beards for their perceived physical beauty. To make the beard look beautiful by tucking, twisting and bending is a big manmat.

“So Sikh sakha bandhap hai bhai ji gur kay bhaaNay vich aavai. AapNai bhaaNai jo chalai bhai vicchuR chotaa(n) khaavai” (601-602).

According to the above Gurvaak, those manmukhs that daily cut their beards abandon Vahiguru’s will and go by their own mind’s decisions will be lost and receive pains. Those true Sikhs who accept Guru-Vahiguru’s will, as the true will never cut their beards or kesh in defiance of Vahiguru’s bhaaNaa.

Only those are the Guru’s sevak Sikhs who accept every hukam from baaNee as true. To meditate on naam with every breath and every second is the true service of Vahiguru. Those Guru’s Sikhs who serve like this are day and night in bliss. Those are Guru Nanak’s true beloved ones who have true Gurmukhi beards. These Guru’s beloveds appear as Gurmukhs in Vahiguru’s Dargah as well. They recite Vahiguru’s true naam every second from their mouths and on their faces are true and beautiful Gurmukhi beards. From their Gurmukhi mouths, the true naam’s simran occurs with every breath. At every breath they are earning the wealth of true naam. In their hearts, the true Gurmat roopee word “Vahiguru” is always residing. And because of it being in them at every second, they are always absorbed in Satguru Guru Vahiguru’s true form. Because they are patrons of the capital of the true naam, they are the truly wealthy ones and the wealth of true naam is always with them. It is because of this that those Gurmukhs with Gurmukhi beards, from the house of the Guru, attain the highest levels. The sound of true naam always comes in their ears at every second because in every way, their faith and trust rest in naam simran. Because of this, they only engage themselves in the true task of reciting naam. Only the presence of these Gurmukhs is beautiful and appropriate in Vahiguru’s true court and only these Gurmukhs are absorbed in Vahiguru’s form. Guru Nanak Sahib says that without a true Satguru, the true naam of Vahiguru cannot be attained. Those manmukhs, who refuse the orders given in GurbaaNee, are always caught in the web of delusion and leave the world in delusion.

This writing is the explanation of the essence of the Gur-Shabad given at the beginning of the article. The meaning of the entire shabad is that only those Gurmukhs who have Gurmukhi open-beards have successful (naam) earnings. And those are the ones who will be secure in the next world.

Reasons for the Disrespect of the Beard

Those who are misguided from Tat-Gurmat and then for selfish reasons twist and bend their beards are in serious danger of one day becoming patit from Sikhi by cutting off their beards. These self-interested individuals can be classified in the following categories for the reasons they twist their beards:

It is most important to mention first those hypocrites who tuck their beards in order to get married. It is a set belief in their minds that without tucking their beards they will not be able to get married or engaged. Some such hypocrites have been seen who for the reason of marriage have for years kept their beards rolled but their enagement or marriage still have not taken place. During this long period, their tied beards havegrown even longer. What can these unfortunate ones do? IT was for fear of the long beard that they started rolling it and now their fear has materialised so that their beards are even longer than before because they were always busy with beautifying and decorating them. Some have diamonds (white hairs) come into their beards and they don’t fear even plucking them. Some even put dung (dye) on so that they look like boys and they can catch some young girl. Those who have been given faith by Satugur, they never fall into these practices.

Here I have remembered the example of a faithful Singh whose example is essential to write here. One rehitvaan faithful Singh had his Singhnee pass away. His friends and associates encouraged him to get married again and even arranged an alliance. When the engagement had taken place, the worldly people began to tell this faithful Singh that he should either colour his beard or pluck his white hairs. That faithful Singh gave such a reply that slapped everyone in the face: “I don’t have any need to accept such an alliance for which I have to colour my face black. First you tell me to make my face black (colour my beard) and then you’ll tell me to tie my beard. Secondly, that which you’ve said about plucking my white hairs is a manmat thought, totally against Gurmat. Gurmat teaches us that these are not white-hairs but diamonds. Should I sell them for nothing?”

It happened before me that many manmati men and women tried their hardest to make him fall from his trust and faith in Gurmat but that Guru’s beloved had such good and beautiful intentions that he did not listen to anybody.

He married with his beautiful Gurmukhi beard which had diamonds in it that stayed just the way they were. I myself was at this marriage. His anand kaaraj took place in chaRdee kalaa with his full beard along with the diamonds. Even today that marriage is solid and blissful. I am a sacrifice to such a Guru’s Singh who has such beautiful sentiments.

So those individuals who are stuck in Aan-mat (non-Gurmat) and tie and tuck their beards, are in the end just left that way. It is such stubborn individuals who consider their belief in tied bards to be true Parm Gurmat, according to their own mind, and preach it as well. Ahead these deluded people will have blows to their faces who while calling themselves Sikhs do not stop from advising people to tie their beards and remove their diamonds (white-hairs).

B) The second type of self-interested people who tie their beards are those who do so for the sake of their jobs. These people who are interested in their jobs have put their faith and trust-filled Sikhi at a very big risk.

C) The third category contains those Sikhs who only for reasons of embarrassment split their beards into two parts and tie it when they go to work and when they come to Sangat, make it straight and Gurmukhi.. One Singh who was a professor was about to begin doing keertan with his beard rolled but I did not let him sit and told him to open his beard. In a desperate tone he said that “at least in this town, where I am a professor, give me permission to do keertan with my beard rolled. We did not agree at all. It came out that the boys in his college where he was professor would call him “Mullah-MullahNa” and tease him when he would open his beard. Those Gursikhs who are the Guru’s stars and have true faith in Gurmat have for years been headmasters in schools and principles in colleges but they maintained their Gurmukhi beards. They did not even waver a little.

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Perhaps you can super-glue your beard down so it looks "neat and tidy"

CAUTION . KIDS DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME. THIS IS ONLY FOR THOSE DESPERATE "NEAT AND TIDY" PARANOID SINGHS

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Suki you not gonna get any straight answers youve come to the wrong place ur just gonna get ur baychthi done nicely

I think you'll look smart if u look like Guru ka Sikh and ppl see that when they see u from afar

I think guys who tie their beard look OLD if thats wut u think would make u look smart

a long flowing dhara that cleans the dust of the Sangats shoes is the most utum (Highest) Dhari

Awps kau jo jwxY nIcw ]

aapas ko jo jaanai neechaa ||

One who sees himself as lowly,

soaU gnIAY sB qy aUcw ]

sooo ganeeai sabh thae oochaa ||

shall be accounted as the highest of all.

jw kw mnu hoie sgl kI rInw ]

jaa kaa man hoe sagal kee reenaa ||

One whose mind is the dust of all,

hir hir nwmu iqin Git Git cInw ]

har har naam thin ghatt ghatt cheenaa ||

recognizes the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, in each and every heart.

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=895

Bhaji your not gonna get any fashion tips on this sight of how u can look more jobanwant and smart,

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An open beard is a Singh's nishaan sahib. How would a flag look if it was wrapped up? And how does it look when it flies high?

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True Beards

By Bhai Sahib Randheer Singh

Translated by Admin www.tapoban.org

sae daaReeaaa(n) sacheeaa(n) ji gur charanee lagan||

andin saevan gur aapaNaa anadin anand rahan||

Naanak sae moh sohaNae sachai dar disan||52||

mukh sachae sach daaReeaa sach boleh(n) sach kamaahi(n) ||

sachaa shabad man vasiaa sathigur maahi(n) samaahi(n) ||

sachee raasee sach dhan uttam padavee paa(n)hi(n) ||

sach suneh(n) sach man lain sachee kaar kamaahi(n) ||

sachee daragah baisaNaa sachae maahi(n) samaahi(n) ||

Naanak viN satgur sach n paaeeai manamukh bhoolae jaa(n)hi(n) ||53||

(Vaaraa(n) tay vadheek, salok M:3, p. 1419)

The clear meaning of this gurvaak’s pangtee (line) is that those good and true Gurmukh beards are true and pure that touch the Guru’s feet. Meaning, those straight bearded Gurmukhs, are true Gurmukhs, who when going to the Guru’s feet, have their beards automatically have their straight Gurmukhi beards touch the Guru’s feet. How can trimmed or tucked beards touch the Guru’s feet? When trimmed and tucked bearded ones go to bow before Satguru Guru Granth Sahib, their trimmed and tucked beards do not touch the Guru’s feet. These days it has become a fashion that however many Sikhs we see, all compete to bend and twist their beards upwards. Some tuck them up so high after slicking them that it’s as if they don’t even want people to know they have a beard. Before it was just army Sikhs who rolled their beards but now all the Sikh employees of every department roll them. They also come to the Gurdwara. The boy before Guru Granth Sahib and their beards cannot touch the Guru’s feet. They are following into the imitation of the Hindus.

In their hearts they wonder why did they ever get a beard? But now they must keep the beard they have. They want to keep calling themselves Sikhs but also want to keep their Departmental Officers pleased. But even then they are not pleased. Those people would be happy only if all Sikhs became cleanshaven like them. The self-seeking Sikhs cannot fall into the habit of trimming their beards like the Hindus, but by twisting and bending their beards up, they try to get the selfish happiness of the Hindus. This self-interested selfishness will be of no used to the Sikhs and it will end up ruining their spirituality.

Those Sikhs who are spoiled by self-interest will make excuses that, “how will rolling one’s beard ruin spirituality? Spirituality is related to the mind/heart.” In reply to those tucked bearded ones, we reply, “Kabeer man moonDiaa nahee kaes munDa-ay kaai(n). Jo kicch keea so man keeaa moo(n)Daa moo(n)D ajaai(n).101. (p. 1369).

At this, those who cut the hair on their faces and heads cannot think of any reply, but rely on the next vaak: “bhaavai(n) laa(n)bay kaes kar bhaavai(n) gharar mu(n)Daai.25. (1365).

They do not understand the true meaning of this Gurvaak. The true essence of this vaak is criticism of the manmati practice of growing one’s hair like dread-locked non-Sikhs do and then keeping them unnaturally by making them to into dust matted dreadlocks. It has been clearly explained that to unnaturally grow ones hair in this way or to cut them off are both practices to be abandoned. Kesh come naturally and one should leave them in their natural state. The practices of making the hair fashionable or to decorate them are both proscribed. Hearing this answer, people with cut hair and beards cannot think of any further reply and their mouths are locked.

But our brothers who roll their beards, and especially those who tie them into a ball on their chin, make the excuse that “Look, hair on the head are kept in a knot, if we keep our beards in a knot or roll it up, what’s the problem?” It is enough of an answer to them to say that a Gursikh must keep Dashmesh jee’s rehit as paramount and to obey all his orders. For example, “Kangha dono(n) vakat kar, paag chunay kar baa(n)dhaiee.”

A dastaar can only be tied on the head “chuN kay” if the kesh on the head are kept from scattering and are kept in a jooRaa. But there is no need to do this with the beard by slicking it and twisting and rolling it. It is even a greater manmat to tie a thaathee or net on the beard and then come to the divan. I have seen many faithful rehit-keeping Sikhs who while spending their entire lives in the army did not roll their beards. It is also a maha-manmat for army Sikhs to obey such a law that says Singh-Soldiers must roll their beards. To obey this is a very big weakness. This weakness has occurred to such and extent that seeing the Sikh soldiers, Sikhs in other departments have also begun to roll their beards. It is now to such an extent that without any shame, employees from all the departments now come to the Guru’s Divaan with tied beards. It is considered a thing of pride to come to the divaan with a tied beard. Today in the Guru’s Divaan, you will see very few such Sikhs who have Gurmukhi beards. Otherwise everyone is in the habit of coming to Divaans with tied beards and will not feel and shyness about it. These self-interested so-called Sikhs feel that obeying their so-called Government’s order is prime. It is because of this that they have turned their back on the true Government’s true orders. It is a danger that the state of some of these so-called Sikhs may not reach such a level that they drown in the atheist movement and become atheists. Hopefully they will not turn their backs altogether on beard and kesh in the desire for higher offices and positions, like many employees and government officers, especially army ones have, cutting their kesh and beards, all for false offices. The false ranks of Captain, Colonel, General, etc. will be of no use to them and they will be left here. In the Guru’s court they will receive such shoves that their false government’s appeals will not be enough and they will be left in regret.

It is not at all my belief that every Sikh who ties his beard can even dream of such a thing. They have a firm belief in keeping the beard and kesh, they are simply stuck in the custom of tying the beard after seeing others do the same. But this is such a horrible custom that it is growing every day. It is to such an extent that no Sikh from any department can be found who does not tie his beard. It is with regret that I say that there are some Sikhs, whose wives like to see their husbands with rolled beards.

Many cases have been peshed in the Jatha where Singhs have been asked why they are not living with their wives an they answer clearly that their wives want that they should remove their black hairs and only then will they live with them. But these faithful Singhs did not accept this manmat-filled order of their wives and thought it best to leave them. After investigation if has been found out that some did indeed pull out their black hairs. Some so-called Sikh women do not find it manmat to remove their other bodily hair. Those half-baked Sikhs are maha-manmatis who disrespect their beards for their perceived physical beauty. To make the beard look beautiful by tucking, twisting and bending is a big manmat.

“So Sikh sakha bandhap hai bhai ji gur kay bhaaNay vich aavai. AapNai bhaaNai jo chalai bhai vicchuR chotaa(n) khaavai” (601-602).

According to the above Gurvaak, those manmukhs that daily cut their beards abandon Vahiguru’s will and go by their own mind’s decisions will be lost and receive pains. Those true Sikhs who accept Guru-Vahiguru’s will, as the true will never cut their beards or kesh in defiance of Vahiguru’s bhaaNaa.

Only those are the Guru’s sevak Sikhs who accept every hukam from baaNee as true. To meditate on naam with every breath and every second is the true service of Vahiguru. Those Guru’s Sikhs who serve like this are day and night in bliss. Those are Guru Nanak’s true beloved ones who have true Gurmukhi beards. These Guru’s beloveds appear as Gurmukhs in Vahiguru’s Dargah as well. They recite Vahiguru’s true naam every second from their mouths and on their faces are true and beautiful Gurmukhi beards. From their Gurmukhi mouths, the true naam’s simran occurs with every breath. At every breath they are earning the wealth of true naam. In their hearts, the true Gurmat roopee word “Vahiguru” is always residing. And because of it being in them at every second, they are always absorbed in Satguru Guru Vahiguru’s true form. Because they are patrons of the capital of the true naam, they are the truly wealthy ones and the wealth of true naam is always with them. It is because of this that those Gurmukhs with Gurmukhi beards, from the house of the Guru, attain the highest levels. The sound of true naam always comes in their ears at every second because in every way, their faith and trust rest in naam simran. Because of this, they only engage themselves in the true task of reciting naam. Only the presence of these Gurmukhs is beautiful and appropriate in Vahiguru’s true court and only these Gurmukhs are absorbed in Vahiguru’s form. Guru Nanak Sahib says that without a true Satguru, the true naam of Vahiguru cannot be attained. Those manmukhs, who refuse the orders given in GurbaaNee, are always caught in the web of delusion and leave the world in delusion.

This writing is the explanation of the essence of the Gur-Shabad given at the beginning of the article. The meaning of the entire shabad is that only those Gurmukhs who have Gurmukhi open-beards have successful (naam) earnings. And those are the ones who will be secure in the next world.

Reasons for the Disrespect of the Beard

Those who are misguided from Tat-Gurmat and then for selfish reasons twist and bend their beards are in serious danger of one day becoming patit from Sikhi by cutting off their beards. These self-interested individuals can be classified in the following categories for the reasons they twist their beards:

It is most important to mention first those hypocrites who tuck their beards in order to get married. It is a set belief in their minds that without tucking their beards they will not be able to get married or engaged. Some such hypocrites have been seen who for the reason of marriage have for years kept their beards rolled but their enagement or marriage still have not taken place. During this long period, their tied beards havegrown even longer. What can these unfortunate ones do? IT was for fear of the long beard that they started rolling it and now their fear has materialised so that their beards are even longer than before because they were always busy with beautifying and decorating them. Some have diamonds (white hairs) come into their beards and they don’t fear even plucking them. Some even put dung (dye) on so that they look like boys and they can catch some young girl. Those who have been given faith by Satugur, they never fall into these practices.

Here I have remembered the example of a faithful Singh whose example is essential to write here. One rehitvaan faithful Singh had his Singhnee pass away. His friends and associates encouraged him to get married again and even arranged an alliance. When the engagement had taken place, the worldly people began to tell this faithful Singh that he should either colour his beard or pluck his white hairs. That faithful Singh gave such a reply that slapped everyone in the face: “I don’t have any need to accept such an alliance for which I have to colour my face black. First you tell me to make my face black (colour my beard) and then you’ll tell me to tie my beard. Secondly, that which you’ve said about plucking my white hairs is a manmat thought, totally against Gurmat. Gurmat teaches us that these are not white-hairs but diamonds. Should I sell them for nothing?”

It happened before me that many manmati men and women tried their hardest to make him fall from his trust and faith in Gurmat but that Guru’s beloved had such good and beautiful intentions that he did not listen to anybody.

He married with his beautiful Gurmukhi beard which had diamonds in it that stayed just the way they were. I myself was at this marriage. His anand kaaraj took place in chaRdee kalaa with his full beard along with the diamonds. Even today that marriage is solid and blissful. I am a sacrifice to such a Guru’s Singh who has such beautiful sentiments.

So those individuals who are stuck in Aan-mat (non-Gurmat) and tie and tuck their beards, are in the end just left that way. It is such stubborn individuals who consider their belief in tied bards to be true Parm Gurmat, according to their own mind, and preach it as well. Ahead these deluded people will have blows to their faces who while calling themselves Sikhs do not stop from advising people to tie their beards and remove their diamonds (white-hairs).

B) The second type of self-interested people who tie their beards are those who do so for the sake of their jobs. These people who are interested in their jobs have put their faith and trust-filled Sikhi at a very big risk.

C) The third category contains those Sikhs who only for reasons of embarrassment split their beards into two parts and tie it when they go to work and when they come to Sangat, make it straight and Gurmukhi.. One Singh who was a professor was about to begin doing keertan with his beard rolled but I did not let him sit and told him to open his beard. In a desperate tone he said that “at least in this town, where I am a professor, give me permission to do keertan with my beard rolled. We did not agree at all. It came out that the boys in his college where he was professor would call him “Mullah-MullahNa” and tease him when he would open his beard. Those Gursikhs who are the Guru’s stars and have true faith in Gurmat have for years been headmasters in schools and principles in colleges but they maintained their Gurmukhi beards. They did not even waver a little.

Although what you have written may be true, I doubt your are going to help anyone get into or stay in sikhi by calling them manmukhs or whatever. Everyone is at their own level. At least this guy wants to keep his beard and not cut it. You seem to be critising singhs with beards who at least keep them (even though they tie them up) more than your critising trim bearded men. At least these guys value kesh and don't want to cut it.

Perhaps one day with guru ji's grace they'll have the strength to leave their beards open. You should consider yourself lucky that you are blessed to be proud of your beard and not consider it your own accomplishment.

Sometimes, although the things we know may be true, (in this case, that leaving beards open is better than tying them), it is best to not voice such concerns because of the danger of pushing people away and hurting feelings.

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anyone know how to tie a dhari up so it looks smart. tried a few times but it looks a mess, loose and untidy

something along the lines of monty panesars dhari would be good, so it looks natural

http://img.skysports.com/07/10/218x298/Monty_Panesar_588975.jpg

any decent sprays/gels would also be welcome.

I dont want it to look like loads of gel has been applied as in this pic. http://www.bhatra.co.uk/manage/Admin/Uploads/11928273741192827374at8lc10v.jpg

any ideas

Sukhi, get a small black rubber band and tie it under your jaw. Pull up the beard then and tuck it up tightly and to keep it there put a hair pin in it. Then spray your beard all over. I personally use shockwaves hair spray. Maybe your not using a tata as they call it. You got to put this cloth tightly over your face so that it is covering all your beard. Hair dry it then. After 5 to 10 minutes remove the cloth and it should be set. But don't go out with that cloth over you beard tied over your head. It looks ridiculous. I'm sure you've seen some singhs who go out and about like that. Lol.

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So the very reason you came up with that kind of response is because you yourself do it :)

How convenient!

Fair enough!

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But don't go out with that cloth over you beard tied over your head. It looks ridiculous.
I 2nd that, people think you have an injury or something to your face lol
So the very reason you came up with that kind of response is because you yourself do it smile.gif

How convenient!

Fair enough!

oye tu thand rakh, emi na ubli jaa, terey ch khoon aggey ghat aa :p
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people use all sorts of products a scientific study showed that a clean open beard can help in avoiding lung related disease however a messy one will create more chance of lung cancer and more diseases.

By applying gells and other products you are messing around with the hair pholicles that stop pollen and other things and you can glue on to yourself some dangerous stuff. Otherwise all the Indian-pakistani-afghani

Singhs use Simco Fixer (fixo) blue bottle literally like super glue make sure you mix with good amount of water. It can lead to yellowing of beard, premature colour lose and funny smells. All the gells here and funny

uk gells all (most singhs here like the shockwaves hairspray) come in and out of the market, the cosmetics are dangerous products not fully tested and long term effects could be dangerous, these gells and sprays are made for hair and thats all cut away in the end.

The white putty gell won some awards works nice, but alot of gells will break your beard hair off and damage it. Brylcream works ok aswell, alot of gells smell funny and can cause dissyness, vomiting, etc.

Some people just trimm it in the end due the longness of it all, but part of the kesh maryada is to accept guru roop, all 10 gurus dharis were long and open. The Sakhi of Baba Sri chand and Guru Ram das shows why a full

open dhara is important http://www.sikhphilo...eting-siri.html . Also kesh was described as the opening to bir ras(warior spirit) great spirtual, mental and physical strength is related to it, everyone of your hair pholicles has a nerve ending and medical science hasnt

still yet proved what true significance hair has. I would say go for Simco Hair fixo but mix it right with water, getting the right amount of water is hard some people thread it upwards in different ways, u can press it up with a cloth

to, but don't worry about it, have shaan and uch maan, faaUkar in your Sikhi and kesh guru maharaj gave so much kurbani for kesh. and tieing your beard is a freshie thing to, a person looks more handsome with there beard open

also as hard as it sounds to believe, there are actually loads of girls out there who like an open beard infact go for it, not just in our Sikh community but in others, infact there are Muslim women who want to marry Muslim men with full beards, Jews aswell, White girls and Black girls who like full Beards. If Muslims can have sharda for there prophets sunnah, why cant we have sharda for our Gurus sabat sorat.

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So the very reason you came up with that kind of response is because you yourself do it smile.gif

How convenient!

Fair enough!

oye tu thand rakh, emi na ubli jaa, terey ch khoon aggey ghat aa :p

tera kadd ke dikhaama? :@

vadda aya thand rakhaun ala, tu refrigerator vechan lappeya? :o

hahahaha :p

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Suki,

A beard is a secondary sexual characteristic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scondary_sex_characteristic

"Secondary sex characteristics are traits that distinguish the two sexes of a species, but that are not directly part of the reproductive system.

Well known secondary sex characteristics include manes of male lions and long feathers of peacocks. Other dramatic examples include the tusks of male narwhals, enlarged proboscises in male elephant seals and proboscis monkeys, the bright facial and rump coloration of male mandrills, and horns in many goats and antelopes. Male birds and fish of many species have brighter coloration or other external ornaments. Differences in size between sexes are also considered secondary sexual characteristics."

I don't think we need to try to be ashamed of our beards. The tradition for the last five centuries (from Guru Nanak Dev ji onward) is to keep a free-flowing beard.

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