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Sri Guru Arjun Dev Ji & Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale Shaheedi Samagam 2010

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The British Sikh Student Federation is proud to present this Shaheedi Samagam in memory of the Crown of Shaheeds Sri Guru Arjun Dev Ji and Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale.

This is the first time that a Shaheedi Samagam will be held in the UK specifically with Sant Jarnail Singh's name mentioned and this was something that the British Sikh Student Federation was long overdue and necessary.

The Samagam will start with a Sri Akhand Patth Sahib from Friday 18th June till Sunday 20th June 2010, with Bhog at 11am. This will be followed by various World Renowned Kirtani Jathas, Kathavaciks and Kavishri Jathas and Speakers that will inform the Sangat about the importance of why the sacrifices of our ancestors are so vital to our future.

The BSSF stall will also be there with T-shirts, Hoodies, Posters and the new Militant Worrior Production Album!

The Programme will be held at Sri Dashmesh Darbar Gurdwara, 97-102 Rosebury Avenue, Manor Park, Ilford, Essex, E12 6PT.

For information about the event or transport arrangements please contact –

07891160081 – Kent

07716062094 - Southall

07878760899 – Birmingham

07912120003 - Wolverhampton

07791881614 - Huddersfield

Info@britishsikhstudentfederation.com

http://britishsikhst...x/?page_id=1366

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why do anything that you no will cause trouble?

has the singhs of bssf, bilkul got no jeevans?, no bhagtee?...no abyiaas?

best thing they got to do is, to organise such progs, which they no will offend other singhs?!?!!?

you lot are seriously, just bhekh of sikhs.

no sikhee within you guys really

sorry if the truth hurts

@ the end of the day, guroo gobind singh jees maharaj's bachan stands, that what is wrong, one will state as wrong!!!

challo, tuhadee marjee, tuhadee sikhee, tuhada jeevan.

i ant gna comment again, (came on SS after so long lol)

i just wish you the best, in your jeevans, and in your lvoe with guro sahib.

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Gurfuteh,

Please do not put Guruji and Santji on the pedalstool (from the outward picture thats what it seems). Our Guru's or beyond anything in this world! I do respect Santji, what do you think Santji would say if he saw this poster?

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Gurfuteh,

Please do not put Guruji and Santji on the pedalstool (from the outward picture thats what it seems). Our Guru's or beyond anything in this world! I do respect Santji, what do you think Santji would say if he saw this poster?

No not at all jee.

You are aware that Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa's Shahadat has received such a battering over the last two and a half decades that it was important for their Shaheedi to be acknowledged separately to that of all the other Singhs/Singhania killed in the attack.

Guru Arjun Dev Ji conducted the conception of Shaheedi for Human rights, freedom of faith, belief and liberty to live a free and just life.

Sant Ji is not being compared to Guru Ji in any way but i'm sure you agree that a son wishes to walk in his father's footsteps and this will be appreciated at the samagam.

Sant Ji has been referred to as a Shaheed at a number of events but this is the first time that he will be singled out as at previous events they have just camouflaged Sant Ji due to pressures or threats from a minority of Community.

This will not be the case this time however.

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Hmm interesting event. Maharaj kirpa it will be successful. One question, you have the Damdami Taksal logo on your poster? So are Damdami Taksal supporting you in this shaheedi event for Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji and Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji? or have you just put their logo on your poster without asking them? or Shere Punjabi (SP) logo?

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Hmm interesting event. Maharaj kirpa it will be successful. One question, you have the Damdami Taksal logo on your poster? So are Damdami Taksal supporting you in this shaheedi event for Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji and Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji? or have you just put their logo on your poster without asking them? or Shere Punjabi (SP) logo?

1. Support for Damdami Taksal - We currently have Sewadars from British Sikh Student Federation in Punjab and Delhi who will stay there for the June 6th Programmes at Darbar Sahib and elsewhere.

- A video is also being made in support of this event in which a clip Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma's (DDT Mehta Chowk) will be shown on the day of the event, amoungst the likes of Bhai Sandeep Singh, Bhai Harpal Singh Cheema (Both SADA PP), Gurvinder Singh Manochchal, Paramjit Singh Gazi (SSF) etc.

2. Shere Panjab (London & Kent) have thrown their weight behind British Sikh Student Federation in general and this event in Particular.

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Gurfuteh,

Please do not put Guruji and Santji on the pedalstool (from the outward picture thats what it seems). Our Guru's or beyond anything in this world! I do respect Santji, what do you think Santji would say if he saw this poster?

No not at all jee.

You are aware that Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa's Shahadat has received such a battering over the last two and a half decades that it was important for their Shaheedi to be acknowledged separately to that of all the other Singhs/Singhania killed in the attack.

Yes I know people and especially our own do not understand and therefore do not talk about it. If this is to be acknowledged separately then why not do a separate event then you can educate Sikhs of what Sant Ji stood for.

Guru Arjun Dev Ji conducted the conception of Shaheedi for Human rights, freedom of faith, belief and liberty to live a free and just life.

Yes we know that - The point i am making is that why not do a complete distict event for Sant Ji.

Sant Ji is not being compared to Guru Ji in any way but i'm sure you agree that a son wishes to walk in his father's footsteps and this will be appreciated at the samagam.

If son / daughter wishes to walk in his fathers footstep then all you need to do is take Amrit and keep Reyit, surly attending the samagam does not make you the son / daughter.

Sant Ji has been referred to as a Shaheed at a number of events but this is the first time that he will be singled out as at previous events they have just camouflaged Sant Ji due to pressures or threats from a minority of Community.

This will not be the case this time however.

I disagree that you are going to single out Santji as you put in your poster Sri Guru Arjun Dev Ji Samagam as well. I think you have used Sri Guru Arjun Dev Ji to pull in the sangat in at the Gurdwara.

In my opinion Santji should be remembered distinctly and then Sikhs can learn about his lifestyle and not base there judgment on what the press or other Anti Sikh organizations continue mislead Sikhs.

Maharaj Kirpa hope the event goes well. I will not reply to any more posts.

If I have offended any of my veers / bibi's then I apologize, please consider me as your little brother.

Vaheguru Ji Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Futeh

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Gurfuteh,

Please do not put Guruji and Santji on the pedalstool (from the outward picture thats what it seems). Our Guru's or beyond anything in this world! I do respect Santji, what do you think Santji would say if he saw this poster?

No not at all jee.

You are aware that Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa's Shahadat has received such a battering over the last two and a half decades that it was important for their Shaheedi to be acknowledged separately to that of all the other Singhs/Singhania killed in the attack.

Yes I know people and especially our own do not understand and therefore do not talk about it. If this is to be acknowledged separately then why not do a separate event then you can educate Sikhs of what Sant Ji stood for.

Guru Arjun Dev Ji conducted the conception of Shaheedi for Human rights, freedom of faith, belief and liberty to live a free and just life.

Yes we know that - The point i am making is that why not do a complete distict event for Sant Ji.

Sant Ji is not being compared to Guru Ji in any way but i'm sure you agree that a son wishes to walk in his father's footsteps and this will be appreciated at the samagam.

If son / daughter wishes to walk in his fathers footstep then all you need to do is take Amrit and keep Reyit, surly attending the samagam does not make you the son / daughter.

Sant Ji has been referred to as a Shaheed at a number of events but this is the first time that he will be singled out as at previous events they have just camouflaged Sant Ji due to pressures or threats from a minority of Community.

This will not be the case this time however.

I disagree that you are going to single out Santji as you put in your poster Sri Guru Arjun Dev Ji Samagam as well. I think you have used Sri Guru Arjun Dev Ji to pull in the sangat in at the Gurdwara.

In my opinion Santji should be remembered distinctly and then Sikhs can learn about his lifestyle and not base there judgment on what the press or other Anti Sikh organizations continue mislead Sikhs.

Maharaj Kirpa hope the event goes well. I will not reply to any more posts.

If I have offended any of my veers / bibi's then I apologize, please consider me as your little brother.

Vaheguru Ji Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Futeh

Yes, we are not denying this, Sant Ji will be remembered as a shaheed at this event unlike others.

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to the singh who said mentioned causing trouble..

sorry to say but of all those supporters of Sant ji.. Majorty have the common belief of their Shaheedi, and to the minority who do not mann their shaheedi its thats fine but dont complain about this because I dont see a hoo haa being made about Sant Ji's Chardi kala ardaas at Baba Jis barsi every year..

Live and let live....

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to the singh who said mentioned causing trouble..
sorry to say but of all those supporters of Sant ji.. Majorty have the common belief of their Shaheedi, and to the minority who do not mann their shaheedi its thats fine but dont complain about this because I dont see a hoo haa being made about Sant Ji's Chardi kala ardaas at Baba Jis barsi every year..

Live and let live....


BUMP!
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Its good to see more programs about singhs who have stood up for the panth and particularly where the message of sant jarnail singh ji is explained to the sangat, in particular the youngsters, who while have a lot of sharda, dont fully understand the message as sometimes they dont understand punjabi and cant comprehend what sant ji is saying. Benti to people who made the above video, its good to do translations, but try and keep it to what sant ji is saying. Sant Ji was very very very intelligent in the way he spoke and was very respectful, even when being harsh. When doing translations, lets be careful not to use terms that make him out to be 'one of us today'. For example, 'big up' when talking about praising baba nihal singh ji. Its a minor thing, but the translations would be better if the equivalent language was used.

Regards to the shaheedi / non shaheedi thing, as discussed on millions of occasions, each person can have his own view, but lets keep it respectful. Everyone loves Sant Jarnail Singh Ji and that the main point. The people disrespecting Sant Ji are not those who call him shaheed, or those that dont call him shaheed, its the ones who call him a govt agent, the ones that call him a hindu, a terrorist etc etc. Across the world parchar about what Sant Ji taught and stood for has been done by both sides of the same coin, and excellent parchar at that! This needs to continue and not turn into singhs who believe and want the same thing fighting against each other.

Benti to organisers, make sure that no nindiya of Sant Baba Takhar Singh Ji is done, many people disagree with Baba Ji's stance and thats fine. But there is a way of disagreeing, respectfully. Despite disagreements on this issue, there is no denying the role Baba Ji had in organising the 1986 sarbat khalsa and rebuiliding of the akal takhat, supporting kaharku singhs and their families and in particular the close relationship they had with Mahaan Shaheeds Sukha and Jinda right up to their very shaheedi in which they wore the choleh and dastara sent by Baba Takhar Singh Ji, supporting singhs to do parchar about sant jis teaching across the world (thats from personal experience as well), and most fundamentally teaching the gursikh way of life. So disagree with a point if you like, but lets not forget everything else as well , things which we ALL respect.

A small does of respect goes a long way. Other then that, the more parchar of what sant ji said and did the better. What I found recently in Panjab was that although people know his face, they have no/little idea about his message as most punjabis i met had never even heard his voice, never mind any of his speeches.

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Its good to see more programs about singhs who have stood up for the panth and particularly where the message of sant jarnail singh ji is explained to the sangat, in particular the youngsters, who while have a lot of sharda, dont fully understand the message as sometimes they dont understand punjabi and cant comprehend what sant ji is saying. Benti to people who made the above video, its good to do translations, but try and keep it to what sant ji is saying. Sant Ji was very very very intelligent in the way he spoke and was very respectful, even when being harsh. When doing translations, lets be careful not to use terms that make him out to be 'one of us today'. For example, 'big up' when talking about praising baba nihal singh ji. Its a minor thing, but the translations would be better if the equivalent language was used.

Regards to the shaheedi / non shaheedi thing, as discussed on millions of occasions, each person can have his own view, but lets keep it respectful. Everyone loves Sant Jarnail Singh Ji and that the main point. The people disrespecting Sant Ji are not those who call him shaheed, or those that dont call him shaheed, its the ones who call him a govt agent, the ones that call him a hindu, a terrorist etc etc. Across the world parchar about what Sant Ji taught and stood for has been done by both sides of the same coin, and excellent parchar at that! This needs to continue and not turn into singhs who believe and want the same thing fighting against each other.

Benti to organisers, make sure that no nindiya of Sant Baba Takhar Singh Ji is done, many people disagree with Baba Ji's stance and thats fine. But there is a way of disagreeing, respectfully. Despite disagreements on this issue, there is no denying the role Baba Ji had in organising the 1986 sarbat khalsa and rebuiliding of the akal takhat, supporting kaharku singhs and their families and in particular the close relationship they had with Mahaan Shaheeds Sukha and Jinda right up to their very shaheedi in which they wore the choleh and dastara sent by Baba Takhar Singh Ji, supporting singhs to do parchar about sant jis teaching across the world (thats from personal experience as well), and most fundamentally teaching the gursikh way of life. So disagree with a point if you like, but lets not forget everything else as well , things which we ALL respect.

A small does of respect goes a long way. Other then that, the more parchar of what sant ji said and did the better. What I found recently in Panjab was that although people know his face, they have no/little idea about his message as most punjabis i met had never even heard his voice, never mind any of his speeches.

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Thanks for your concern jee, We would like to assure you that this is a programme held in memory of our Mahaan Guru Sahiban and Mahaan Shaheed of the 20th century who died defend the gurughar completed by Guru Arjun Dev ji during the days of their shaheedi diwas.

This is not a Anti Baba Takhur Singh Ji programme however, we would like to request that any form of intimidation or threats made to sabotage or cancel the event will not be tolerated. Furthermore, the Gurdwara holding the event is a firm supported of SFUK policies and a Gurdwara that BSSF works very closely with.

Whilst we respect the emotions of a vocal minority we would expect that they respect the views of the "yet-still" silent majority!

Various programmes for the next year (12 months) will be announced and discussed on the 20th June in correlation with Guru Arjun Dev Ji and Sant Ji's vichaars.

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It's this kind of punjabi stubbornness which has led to insistance on holding this event which is the reason we are absolutely nowhere. Hate to say it but we saw this kind of stuff with singhs shooting each other in the 80s, and the same reason behind it why we don't have unity today. Sikhs may have advanced in many ways, but still have no clue at all on coordination and compromise. i.e. looking at the big picture. I find it amazing that at a time when there is so much disunity this org (after observing it for a while) seems to wish to champion the issue of sant ji being shaheed. I'm sorry to say it but to the observer it looks like it being done for the sake of it (same old mentality). Every sikh wants to just go and blow their own horn, that's what I've realised now. Everyone is just making one rift after the other. I don't blaim the GOI, Muslims or anyone for our troubles any more, its all down to all of us. This is not only to the BSSF, I say this to everyone.

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Dhan Dhan Baba Thakur Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale

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i heard off some respected taksal representatives who spent time with baba thakur singh, that baba ji said sant ji was going to return as they leave this earth. baba ji left no sign of sant?

anyone confirm this please

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The answer to the question

Baba Jee on many occasions said sant jee is not shaheed, videos are on the net, baba jee did an ardaas that guru sahib jee keeps their sareer untill sant jee returns, however in the later years they did say that if sant jee was to return now then there would be huge amount of casualties to the singhs, baba jee never gave a date or anything but did several times say that everyone will do my nindya saying i lied, but maharaj jee knows and when sant jee returns then every1 will know. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and i hope everyone respects that.

Regarding the programme, good luck, i dont think anyone is planning on messing with the event in any way or form as long as nindya of baba jee is not done, but that can only be found out once the event is over, and a response given in due time. I hope it all goes well, as veer ak47 said 'Across the world parchar about what Sant Ji taught and stood for has been done by both sides of the same coin, and excellent parchar at that! This needs to continue and not turn into singhs who believe and want the same thing fighting against each other.''

Again, good luck with the event and no one is against anyone that is doing parchaar proactively with the correct motives.

Bhull chuck Mwaaf Karni

i heard off some respected taksal representatives who spent time with baba thakur singh, that baba ji said sant ji was going to return as they leave this earth. baba ji left no sign of sant?

anyone confirm this please

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Sorry guys, the way I read this is ..If this was some genuine sharda behind this programme or "samagam" then ALL the shaheeds of the Bluestar sakha would be remembered.

This is a Sakha and not just about one Gursikh. Santji stood with the hundreds of shaheeds from the sangat (the bibya, the kids, the elders, the tyar-bar-tyar Singhs) and not on his own.

Other previous Bluestar related samagams have honoured ALL the shaheeds of 84 (and fyi that includes Santji). BSSF you are being ignorent in thinking that no one has ever honoured Sant ji's Shaheedi before, and there will be (and have been for 25 years) shaheedi samagams in other Gurughars up and down the country remembering the shaheeds.

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Do we have a list of kathakaar, kirtan jathas and kavishris attending?

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Sorry guys, the way I read this is ..If this was some genuine sharda behind this programme or "samagam" then ALL the shaheeds of the Bluestar sakha would be remembered.

This is a Sakha and not just about one Gursikh. Santji stood with the hundreds of shaheeds from the sangat (the bibya, the kids, the elders, the tyar-bar-tyar Singhs) and not on his own.

Other previous Bluestar related samagams have honoured ALL the shaheeds of 84 (and fyi that includes Santji). BSSF you are being ignorent in thinking that no one has ever honoured Sant ji's Shaheedi before, and there will be (and have been for 25 years) shaheedi samagams in other Gurughars up and down the country remembering the shaheeds.

Then why is there such a fuss at this programme?

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Then why is there such a fuss at this programme?

its because ur advertising on the internet and people can feedback a comment... plus...(u may not like this comment)... there's not a high opinion of BSSF in some Gursikhs, so I think whatever you back as a group will fall under the radar...Pls don't shoot the messanger, I am only relying what some people have told me...call in nindya, call it feedback..its up to you..

But refering to what mala mentioned above about prgrames around the Bluestar Saka..an example is Gurdwara Karamsar in Ilford has been doing a shaheedi programme for the 84 saka in June for about 10 years now and the kathakar, kavishris and dhadi jathas have never hesitated to talk about Sant Jarnail Singh as a mahan shaheed...

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I know a few people who have been to nearly all of BSSF events and nearly all of them have been dead, hardly anyone turning up. So it is now obvious, that the ONLY way BSSF can get people to come to their events is by causing controversy first on the internet, so people will turn up just to see what happens.

This is not just my view, but views of many many other people. Do not fall into this trap and do not get angry over their controversy.

One tip ...win the hearts of the sangat by doing proper seva and parchar, then sangat will be coming to your events in the hundreds. smile.gif

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BUMP on the list of Katha Vaachiks and Kirtanees please :)

As their is also another shaheedi smagam the day before at willenhall.... i would love to attend both but being poor means can only attend one :(

Willenhall Smagam has th enames listed on the poster

Bhai Gurmej Singh Ji

Bhai Sukhjinder Singh Ji

Bhai Hari Singh Ji

Bhai Gursharan Singh Ji

Sant Avtar Singh Ji Badni Kalan

Giani Ranjit Singh Ji

jagowale Kaveeshri Jatha

Cholla Sahib Dhadi Jatha

plus some of the international kirtanee jatha that are currently in the country.

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