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Difference Between Keski, Dumalla And Dastar


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#1 _Dass_

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 10:46 PM

This dass wears Dastar, and is very keen to start wearing keski as well.

Can anyone please guide me what is the difference between Keski and Dumalla?

Also, how should I start wearing Keski - what things to take care of, like how to tie, which cloth to use, its length and colour, what precautions to take, etc.

Any help would be great!

I'm very serious about it, and would appreciate ONLY genuine responses pls!

Thanks!

#2 5abiSingh

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 06:21 AM

Dastar is the term for any kind of turban you wear = a gift from Guru Ji.

Keski is what you wear under your normal turban, altough some wear only a Keski. It is a small cloth, usually from 3 to 5 m long.

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Most Sikh bibian who wear a turban opt for a Keski. Many Singhs wear a Keski too.

Dumalla is what Nihangs wear, nowadays AKJ and Taksali youth in Europe also started to wear Dumallas. It is a larger turban minimum 5 m long.

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Normal Dumalla (without any accesories)

There also exists variaties between the Dumallas; such as Chand Tora dumalla (Nihangs wear this), etc. But the one above is the simple dumalla.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 02:23 PM

Dastar is the term for any kind of turban you wear = a gift from Guru Ji.


yup.

keski - underneath any dastar. usually small and comfy
dhamalla is type of dastar. nok pagg is type of dastar. round dastar, etc.

For keski, daas uses about 2.5 m length, kesree colour.
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#4 _Dass_

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 09:20 PM

Thank you bhai Sahib jeo for the detailed explanation!

So does that mean the only difference between keski and dumalla is the length of the cloth?

Please do one more kirpa, and tell me how to tie keski. Is there any special way for it? Does it have to be of any particular colour?

If we tie keski underneath the turban, wouldn't it make the turban more bulky and uncomfortable? Any tips and tricks, please?

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 11:37 AM

keski is round, many prefer to have ears out with keski. It is light.
keski should be of usually basantee or kesree colours.

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Dhamalla is usually the bigger dastar you see singhs wearing.
Doesn't have to be huge, or with shashtars, but looks like this

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keski doesn't make anything bulkier. just work out appropriate turban size.
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#6 _Keski Pyara_

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:52 AM



 

Sikhism and its Gender equality

 

1) Sikh Holy Scriptures says that a Sikh must wear a turban with unshorn hair. Shaving or trimming of hair is the first of the four Cardinal Sins (Kurahits) of Sikhism.

The commitment of any one of which makes one an apostate and results in one's automatic excommunication from the fold of the Khalsa Brotherhood.

 

2) To be a Sikh, one must observe five rahits (disciplines) of wearing five Sikh symbols beginning with 'K': Kachh, Kada, Kirpan, Kangha, and Keski.

Those Sikhs not believing in keski have wrongfully broken the word Keski in this couplet into two words, Kes and Ki, indicating it to mean "the Rahit of keshas."

 

    Kachh, Kada, Kirpan, Kangha, Keski

    Eh Panj Kakaari Rahit Dhaarey Sikh Soyee


3) At the time of the baptismal ceremony, the same Amrit (Khande-Ki-Pahul) is administered to all without any distinction, including gender.
The title of Khalsa is bestowed on all of them. The same way of life and Code of Conduct is enjoined upon all of them.

 

4) Code of conduct is beyond gender and hence, all vices and cardinal sins are the same for all Sikh brotherhood. Besides simply parts of a
human body couldn’t be a vice because it naturally occurs on all the human beings. Therefore all vices are external.

 

5) Hindu and Muslim women also have long hair without any cut. Moreover Kesh form part of the human body and are not obtained and worn
like other Kakaars. Thus it is clear that kesh cannot be a kakaar. But to maintain kesh, two kakaars are given: kangha (wooden comb) and keski (turban).

 

6) The Hukam on Kesh for all Sikhs is that they cannot be cut, coloured (bleached) or waxed/plucked. There are no options. If you need an
operation and they cut your hair, that also needs to be forgiven by re-taking Amrit.

 

7) Guru Gobind Singh ji specifically states in his 52 Hukams that a turban is necessary.


     Hukam # 35: "Dastar bina nahi rehnaa" - Wear a turban at all times.

 

8) The reason why Basanti is preferred over Orange is
because Basanti (Yellow) is one of the four accepted colours of Khalsa. Other
three colours of Khalsa are Navy Blue, White and Black. Black became an
accepted colour as a result of the Akali movement of the early 1900s.

 

9) Major Turban styles:

 

     Dumalla - Double length turban of 10 or more yards or meters.

     Pagri      - Double width turban of five to six yards or meters.

     Dastar    - Single turban of four to six yards or meters.

     Keski      - Short turban of two or more yards or meters

     Patka     - A square of half to one yard or meter, tied over the joora (top knot) and head.


10) The ideal way is first tie a Neelee Keski into your hair then to tie a Basanti colored middle Dastar then a Surmai Pug on top for tying
a Dumalla. Banay (nihang style) are designed to be short and fitted to be effective in battle. Cholay (taksali style) are designed to have a little more
coverage over the knees, but are still generally fitted.


11) Dumallas were the style of dastar worn by the Nihangs and not the main style of dastar used by everyone else. The Kooka style of dastar
is most likely just an old style of tying the dastar that was worn by the originial Singhs that formed the Namdharis.


12) Many non-Nihang Sikhs will often also wear the same dress of the Nihang at ceremonies or at a gurdwara. This trend of wearing Nihang
dress is mainly prevalent in Sikhs belonging either to the Akhand Kirtani Jatha or the Damdami Taksal.


13) Sikh women wore conical high dumalla when going into battle whereas at other times they would wear keski with chunni on top.  

Some Singhnia wore Salwar kameez whilst others wore Chola when going into battle. There was clearly room for acceptable variations.

 

14) Nihang Singhs don’t wear black dumalla or bana. Its maryada for them to only tie blue bunga and blue keski then they can tie blue, white or orange as dumalla.

If you’re a nihang you can’t wear black, but it is alright for others who are not nihang. Ragis usually wear black dastars.


15) Sikh Saints always wear white turbans. There is a sect among the Sikhs called Namdhari who also always wear white turbans in a
particular style which looks like a wrap around (gol dastar). Generally singhs wear the keski and dastar or keski and pug or pug on its own.


16) With the youth dumalla and gol dastars are more popular but the older generation usually wears the Patiala-shahi puggs. Older citizens
prefer white as color of seniority and maturity. Fashion conscious Sikhs match the color with their shirt or trouser.

 

17) In the UK, you see a lot of Sikhs wearing Dumallas, whereas in India, it is only worn by certain Jathas and Nihangs. Here in the
US, basically everyone ties some variant of the Patiala Shahi style, except a little smaller.

Occasionally you see someone wearing a Gol Dastar or even more rarely a Dumalla.


18) The tradition of Double dastar is that wearing one small turban (also referred to as an under turban) and the other outer big turban, as
part of the official uniform for Sikh members of the armed forces.

They were officially provided with two turbans, one dastar and one keski, as part of their uniforms.


19) For a woman, either a Keski with a Chunni on top (as can be seen with the older generation and old photos of Bibian of Akhand Kirtani
Jatha) or a Dastar of any style (Dumalla, V style or Gol style) is acceptable.


20) Puratan Sikh women tied their Jurra tightly (upto their eyebrows were lifted) and added the Kangha at the back. They tied a small Keski
on top (most likely white) and then a large white chunni on top. The Puratan style for women's Keski is not a V-Style Dastar.

 

21) During the early 1800s a rot set into the Sikh community by the intruders where many old principle and rehits were lost. At this time
Sikh women stopped receiving khanday-kee-paahul. Women stopped wearing Kachheras and keskee rehit also was lost.

 

22) Some women had remained strict in rehits in some places and some jathas, but it was rare. The rehit of keski was maintained even at the
Akal Takhat for women till 1930 until the Jathedar, Gurmukh Singh Mussafir removed this condition.

 

23) In all the old rehitnamas by Bhai Daya Singh Jee and others Bhai Chaupa singh, Bhai Nandlal singh and historical accounts by Muslims
and British generals, they say people took Amrit with dastar always even women,
which astonished many outside observers, so they made a point of writing it.


24) Each candidate for Baptism is made to wear kachhehra (breeches), tie hair in a topknot and to cover the same with Dastar; wear Sri
Sahib (Kirpan) in Gaatra (shoulder belt). Then he/she should stand with folded hands.

 

25) Any woman who was not prepared to wear Dastar (Turban) was not baptized. They should keep their kesh covered, do kanga twice a day, and tie their pug (dastar).

All of the above women should tie joora (top knot) and not keep their hair open. This practice continued even after the Punjab came under the British rule.

 

26) As a result of the Sikh renaissance movement, a number of Khalsa schools for girls were established in Punjab. Small Dastar was
prescribed as an obligatory head dress for students as well as teachers in such schools at Jaspalon, Ferozepur and Sidhwan in Punjab.


27) Two groups from Sikhism require both genders to wear a dastar, they are called Akhand Kirtanee Jatha and 3HO (white people who have
converted to Sikhism). Another group called Damdami Taksal sometimes requires the female Sikhs to wear a turban too.


28) Mata Sahib Kaur ji and Mata Sundar Kaur ji both wore bana. Mata Bhaag Kaur ji also wore bana. There are Nihang Singhnis, who wear Cholas,
but with pajama. But pajama is supposed to be worn with 'taksali' style cholas. Lot of Taksali and AKJ bibian wears bana.


29) Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa of the Bhindranwala Jatha along with his whole family, including his wife, two sons and their wives were
all wearing Keskis just as the members of the Akhand Kirtani Jatha.

 

30) The Sikh women belonging to the Jatha of Bhai Sahib (Sant) Teja Singh Ji of Mastuana has been seen doing Kirtan in congregations
wearing Dastar. The wearing of Dastar enables Sikh women to show their distinctiveness of being Sikh and Khalsa.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 10:17 AM

Thnkx for sharing such information.....

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 06:36 PM

The keski is not a kakaar.Sri sarbloh Granth states that the kes is kakaar.I think that in sri dasam Granth it also tells that kesh is kakaar.
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Posted 03 December 2013 - 08:51 AM

can you please tell me the which fabic is for paggri?

i mean type of cloth cotton or????



#10 _H KHALSA_

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 06:11 AM

F74 OR VOILE FOR DUMALLA, RUBIA WONT WORK FOR DUMALLA OR GOL, FOR PATIALA SHAHEE RUBIA IS FINE, BUT F74 WONT WORK ,AS IT'S TOO SLIPPERY AND TOO THIN.





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