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Difference Between Keski, Dumalla And Dastar

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This dass wears Dastar, and is very keen to start wearing keski as well.

Can anyone please guide me what is the difference between Keski and Dumalla?

Also, how should I start wearing Keski - what things to take care of, like how to tie, which cloth to use, its length and colour, what precautions to take, etc.

Any help would be great!

I'm very serious about it, and would appreciate ONLY genuine responses pls!

Thanks!

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Dastar is the term for any kind of turban you wear = a gift from Guru Ji.

Keski is what you wear under your normal turban, altough some wear only a Keski. It is a small cloth, usually from 3 to 5 m long.

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Most Sikh bibian who wear a turban opt for a Keski. Many Singhs wear a Keski too.

Dumalla is what Nihangs wear, nowadays AKJ and Taksali youth in Europe also started to wear Dumallas. It is a larger turban minimum 5 m long.

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Normal Dumalla (without any accesories)

There also exists variaties between the Dumallas; such as Chand Tora dumalla (Nihangs wear this), etc. But the one above is the simple dumalla.

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Dastar is the term for any kind of turban you wear = a gift from Guru Ji.

yup.

keski - underneath any dastar. usually small and comfy

dhamalla is type of dastar. nok pagg is type of dastar. round dastar, etc.

For keski, daas uses about 2.5 m length, kesree colour.

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Thank you bhai Sahib jeo for the detailed explanation!

So does that mean the only difference between keski and dumalla is the length of the cloth?

Please do one more kirpa, and tell me how to tie keski. Is there any special way for it? Does it have to be of any particular colour?

If we tie keski underneath the turban, wouldn't it make the turban more bulky and uncomfortable? Any tips and tricks, please?

Thanks!

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keski is round, many prefer to have ears out with keski. It is light.

keski should be of usually basantee or kesree colours.

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Dhamalla is usually the bigger dastar you see singhs wearing.

Doesn't have to be huge, or with shashtars, but looks like this

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keski doesn't make anything bulkier. just work out appropriate turban size.

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Sikhism and its Gender equality

1) Sikh Holy Scriptures says that a Sikh must wear a turban with unshorn hair. Shaving or trimming of hair is the first of the four Cardinal Sins (Kurahits) of Sikhism.

The commitment of any one of which makes one an apostate and results in one's automatic excommunication from the fold of the Khalsa Brotherhood.

2) To be a Sikh, one must observe five rahits (disciplines) of wearing five Sikh symbols beginning with 'K': Kachh, Kada, Kirpan, Kangha, and Keski.

Those Sikhs not believing in keski have wrongfully broken the word Keski in this couplet into two words, Kes and Ki, indicating it to mean "the Rahit of keshas."

Kachh, Kada, Kirpan, Kangha, Keski

Eh Panj Kakaari Rahit Dhaarey Sikh Soyee


3) At the time of the baptismal ceremony, the same Amrit (Khande-Ki-Pahul) is administered to all without any distinction, including gender.
The title of Khalsa is bestowed on all of them. The same way of life and Code of Conduct is enjoined upon all of them.

4) Code of conduct is beyond gender and hence, all vices and cardinal sins are the same for all Sikh brotherhood. Besides simply parts of a
human body couldn’t be a vice because it naturally occurs on all the human beings. Therefore all vices are external.

5) Hindu and Muslim women also have long hair without any cut. Moreover Kesh form part of the human body and are not obtained and worn
like other Kakaars. Thus it is clear that kesh cannot be a kakaar. But to maintain kesh, two kakaars are given: kangha (wooden comb) and keski (turban).

6) The Hukam on Kesh for all Sikhs is that they cannot be cut, coloured (bleached) or waxed/plucked. There are no options. If you need an
operation and they cut your hair, that also needs to be forgiven by re-taking Amrit.

7) Guru Gobind Singh ji specifically states in his 52 Hukams that a turban is necessary.


Hukam # 35: "Dastar bina nahi rehnaa" - Wear a turban at all times.

8) The reason why Basanti is preferred over Orange is
because Basanti (Yellow) is one of the four accepted colours of Khalsa. Other
three colours of Khalsa are Navy Blue, White and Black. Black became an
accepted colour as a result of the Akali movement of the early 1900s.

9) Major Turban styles:

Dumalla - Double length turban of 10 or more yards or meters.

Pagri - Double width turban of five to six yards or meters.

Dastar - Single turban of four to six yards or meters.

Keski - Short turban of two or more yards or meters

Patka - A square of half to one yard or meter, tied over the joora (top knot) and head.


10) The ideal way is first tie a Neelee Keski into your hair then to tie a Basanti colored middle Dastar then a Surmai Pug on top for tying
a Dumalla. Banay (nihang style) are designed to be short and fitted to be effective in battle. Cholay (taksali style) are designed to have a little more
coverage over the knees, but are still generally fitted.


11) Dumallas were the style of dastar worn by the Nihangs and not the main style of dastar used by everyone else. The Kooka style of dastar
is most likely just an old style of tying the dastar that was worn by the originial Singhs that formed the Namdharis.


12) Many non-Nihang Sikhs will often also wear the same dress of the Nihang at ceremonies or at a gurdwara. This trend of wearing Nihang
dress is mainly prevalent in Sikhs belonging either to the Akhand Kirtani Jatha or the Damdami Taksal.


13) Sikh women wore conical high dumalla when going into battle whereas at other times they would wear keski with chunni on top.

Some Singhnia wore Salwar kameez whilst others wore Chola when going into battle. There was clearly room for acceptable variations.

14) Nihang Singhs don’t wear black dumalla or bana. Its maryada for them to only tie blue bunga and blue keski then they can tie blue, white or orange as dumalla.

If you’re a nihang you can’t wear black, but it is alright for others who are not nihang. Ragis usually wear black dastars.


15) Sikh Saints always wear white turbans. There is a sect among the Sikhs called Namdhari who also always wear white turbans in a
particular style which looks like a wrap around (gol dastar). Generally singhs wear the keski and dastar or keski and pug or pug on its own.


16) With the youth dumalla and gol dastars are more popular but the older generation usually wears the Patiala-shahi puggs. Older citizens
prefer white as color of seniority and maturity. Fashion conscious Sikhs match the color with their shirt or trouser.

17) In the UK, you see a lot of Sikhs wearing Dumallas, whereas in India, it is only worn by certain Jathas and Nihangs. Here in the
US, basically everyone ties some variant of the Patiala Shahi style, except a little smaller.

Occasionally you see someone wearing a Gol Dastar or even more rarely a Dumalla.


18) The tradition of Double dastar is that wearing one small turban (also referred to as an under turban) and the other outer big turban, as
part of the official uniform for Sikh members of the armed forces.

They were officially provided with two turbans, one dastar and one keski, as part of their uniforms.


19) For a woman, either a Keski with a Chunni on top (as can be seen with the older generation and old photos of Bibian of Akhand Kirtani
Jatha) or a Dastar of any style (Dumalla, V style or Gol style) is acceptable.


20) Puratan Sikh women tied their Jurra tightly (upto their eyebrows were lifted) and added the Kangha at the back. They tied a small Keski
on top (most likely white) and then a large white chunni on top. The Puratan style for women's Keski is not a V-Style Dastar.

21) During the early 1800s a rot set into the Sikh community by the intruders where many old principle and rehits were lost. At this time
Sikh women stopped receiving khanday-kee-paahul. Women stopped wearing Kachheras and keskee rehit also was lost.

22) Some women had remained strict in rehits in some places and some jathas, but it was rare. The rehit of keski was maintained even at the
Akal Takhat for women till 1930 until the Jathedar, Gurmukh Singh Mussafir removed this condition.

23) In all the old rehitnamas by Bhai Daya Singh Jee and others Bhai Chaupa singh, Bhai Nandlal singh and historical accounts by Muslims
and British generals, they say people took Amrit with dastar always even women,
which astonished many outside observers, so they made a point of writing it.


24) Each candidate for Baptism is made to wear kachhehra (breeches), tie hair in a topknot and to cover the same with Dastar; wear Sri
Sahib (Kirpan) in Gaatra (shoulder belt). Then he/she should stand with folded hands.

25) Any woman who was not prepared to wear Dastar (Turban) was not baptized. They should keep their kesh covered, do kanga twice a day, and tie their pug (dastar).

All of the above women should tie joora (top knot) and not keep their hair open. This practice continued even after the Punjab came under the British rule.

26) As a result of the Sikh renaissance movement, a number of Khalsa schools for girls were established in Punjab. Small Dastar was
prescribed as an obligatory head dress for students as well as teachers in such schools at Jaspalon, Ferozepur and Sidhwan in Punjab.


27) Two groups from Sikhism require both genders to wear a dastar, they are called Akhand Kirtanee Jatha and 3HO (white people who have
converted to Sikhism). Another group called Damdami Taksal sometimes requires the female Sikhs to wear a turban too.


28) Mata Sahib Kaur ji and Mata Sundar Kaur ji both wore bana. Mata Bhaag Kaur ji also wore bana. There are Nihang Singhnis, who wear Cholas,
but with pajama. But pajama is supposed to be worn with 'taksali' style cholas. Lot of Taksali and AKJ bibian wears bana.


29) Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa of the Bhindranwala Jatha along with his whole family, including his wife, two sons and their wives were
all wearing Keskis just as the members of the Akhand Kirtani Jatha.

30) The Sikh women belonging to the Jatha of Bhai Sahib (Sant) Teja Singh Ji of Mastuana has been seen doing Kirtan in congregations
wearing Dastar. The wearing of Dastar enables Sikh women to show their distinctiveness of being Sikh and Khalsa.


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The keski is not a kakaar.Sri sarbloh Granth states that the kes is kakaar.I think that in sri dasam Granth it also tells that kesh is kakaar.

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F74 OR VOILE FOR DUMALLA, RUBIA WONT WORK FOR DUMALLA OR GOL, FOR PATIALA SHAHEE RUBIA IS FINE, BUT F74 WONT WORK ,AS IT'S TOO SLIPPERY AND TOO THIN.

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The keski is not a kakaar.Sri sarbloh Granth states that the kes is kakaar.I think that in sri dasam Granth it also tells that kesh is kakaar.

Could you provide me with any quotes or information on this? I know Guru Granth Sahib Ji doesn't mention the kakaars at all (since Guru Gobind Singh Ji's work was never included), but is there anywhere in Dasam Granth which actually references the kakaars?

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Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh!!!!!

So there is a big difference between Dastar, Keski and Dumalla!!!!!!!!!!

Keski is a kind of small kapra>> like kind of small dastar that u wear under ur actual dastar>>u can wear dastar without it but ur dastar will not come out better without it cuz it gives ur dastar a kind of shape before u start doing it?????? :smile2:

And Dastar is a turban that all singhs and singhnians wear!!!!!!! It is not either big or small^^^^^ It is medium > and it depends on ur face******* There r three different stiles 4 dastar !!!!!( Gol Dastar,Nok Vali Dastar and Chand Dastar)!!!!!!!! u can do either one u like!!!!!!!! :waheguru:

Finally, Dumalla!!!!! Dumalla is kind of dastar but there is a lot of difference betweenit>>>> cuz Dumalla is HUGE> It doesn't always have to be HUGE but the most important thing of dumalla is that it has so many stripes in it and they r so nice and clear!!!!!!! Not just from the front::: also the stripes in the back 2 >> as clear as in the front!!!!!>>>>>> THAT's THE HARD PART???????? U need around 10 meters long Kapra to tie Dumalla!!!!!!! and dastar is usally 4 to 5 meters long^^^^^ u can use more than that < IF U WANT>.

Waheguru ji k Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh!!!!!

Satnam Waheguru.........!!!!!

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Dumalla is the sturdiest dastar generally speaking. Really depends on how you tie it. And the most important thing about Dumalla is not how perfect it looks with all the stripes lined up. The most important part is how the lars are done to make the Dumalla sturdy. Having a big enough bunga that will shield stikes with or without weapons. Having it long enough so it becomes a cushion around the sides of your head and is not tied around your head only for show.

A gol dastar can also be made sturdy by adding the bunga and keski, but not as sturdy as a Dumalla.

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Keski is generally a small short length under turban. Dumalla us 2 turbans nihangs generally wear dumallas sometimes held together with a sarbloh braid. Keski is not a kakar, this view was generally spread by akj jathebandi. Kes is a kakar.

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What is the best cloth recommend for patiala shahi?

Best kapra is full voile, but not too light bercause the larhs won't come out really nice. It takes at least 5-10 times of tying and washing to get the dastar kapra to it's 'final' phase and it will get easier to manage the kapra when tying.

There are a lot of different kinds of full voile so make sure you take someone with you to get a kapra that is more on the light side, but not too light/sift or it will be impossible to tie.

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Another strategy is to tie your keski and connect it with your dastar, like before you finish your keski, put your outer dastaar larr in. It is an old Nihang technique which gives more stability.

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veero te bhaino ,

1. isn't dumalla meaning two cloths i.e.two dastars so it is the combo of bunga plus outer two layers of dastars (keshki and outer dastar)?

2. Do you split the width of the turban as it comes from the than or just fold double ?

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veero te bhaino ,

1. isn't dumalla meaning two cloths i.e.two dastars so it is the combo of bunga plus outer two layers of dastars (keshki and outer dastar)?

2. Do you split the width of the turban as it comes from the than or just fold double ?

2 - Usually Dumala turban material isn't very wide or else it might become harder to tie. Thats why Full Voile and F74 are used because they have a less thread count i think. The dumala would be really thick and fat looking and you wouldnt be able to do proper lars if you use thick or heavy material. It shouldn't be too wide because you will already have a keski/bunga and it will be much more difficult to tie. under Mostly everyone I know just splits the turban , but I think if you get a really small material or if you are making your dumalla really small then maybe keave it double I would say you just split it and make two, if you are tieing a keski under then you must.

from experience

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2 - Usually Dumala turban material isn't very wide or else it might become harder to tie. Thats why Full Voile and F74 are used because they have a less thread count i think. The dumala would be really thick and fat looking and you wouldnt be able to do proper lars if you use thick or heavy material. It shouldn't be too wide because you will already have a keski/bunga and it will be much more difficult to tie. under Mostly everyone I know just splits the turban , but I think if you get a really small material or if you are making your dumalla really small then maybe keave it double I would say you just split it and make two, if you are tieing a keski under then you must.

from experience

because I usually do split and picot raw edge on house sewing machine for my own dastar , that is my usual MO but since I read you aren't supposed to sew the dastar in rehitnama I got a little unsure if I was doing something wrong .

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