Can One Be Shasterdhari Without Amrit?

[Khalasthan86]

Vaheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh

In Sikhi, is it permitted for one to be Shasterdhari

without Amrit?

As, I was listening to Kathaa by Sant Jarnail Singh Jee,

and He was mentioning become Shasterdhari.

but he didnt mention anything about being shasterdhari and Amritdhari.

dont get me wrong, i know sant jee said become amritdhari.

but can we be equipped with shasters if we're still not amritdhari???

Vaheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh

[Mehtab Singh]

Before any further questions, answer this one: Are you Amritdhari?

[Khalasthan86]

No :L:

[Mehtab Singh]

An Amritdhari is supposed to be shasterdhari. Think of it this way. A cop has the right to carry firearms. Other citizens need permit and then have other restrictions as well. For the most part they won't be carrying their gun openly even if they have a permit/license for it. A cop however is in uniform and always wears it on the outside. Thats how I understand it. An Amritdhari has made a commitment and thus carries shasters. A non-Amritdhari has not. No one will stop a non-Amritdhari from carrying shasters, but he/she doesn't have that kind of responsibility the way an Amritdhari does.

Take Amrit and no one will ask you why you're wearing a shaster!

[Khalasthan86]

Take Amrit

I Wish! :waheguru:

I just think i'm not that rehearsed in Rehat. :L:

So... Can I be Shasterdhari without Amritdhari? :lol:

[Only five]

You can carry shastar, but you'll be like the brahmins that wear the sacred thread around their necks as a sign of high spirituality, but inside they are empty.

Read Mehtab Singh's post.

[Khalasthan86]

You can carry shastar, but you'll be like the brahmins that wear the sacred thread around their necks as a sign of high spirituality, but inside they are empty.

Read Mehtab Singh's post.

but aren't all Kakkars equal? :BL:

[dalsingh101]

Has any one ever used their shaster here to protect themselves or someone else?

[Only five]

but aren't all Kakkars equal? :BL:

Sure they are and some have more responsibility than others. Carrying the Kirpan has a higher responsibility. People that are wanting to take Amrit should be taking up the five kakkar before they take Amrit. The five kakkar are about taking the grace of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj. You can wear, keep whatever kakkar you want without Guru Sahib's grace, but the person is still hollow. The grace comes first then the Kakkar.

[chatanga]

having to take amrit before wearing shashtar is an old wives tale. Guru Ji does not limit self-defence or defence of weaker people, only to those who have taken amrit. Think about it.

Pir Buddhu Shah was not amritdhari, but was shastardhari, as well as his 500 mureeds. The Udasi SAnt who fought in Bhangani was not amritdhari, but was shastardhari.

At the time of 6th Guru, no-one took Khande ki pahul, but the AKal sena were shastardhari.

Too much superstition and Brahman thinking in Panth at this time.

and Guru Ji also tells us, :

Bina Kes Shastarnan na diya deedare...