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Sangat Television Allegedly Poaching And Bribing Sikh Channel'S Presenters And Staff

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I came across the below letter on the net (addressed to bhai sahib mohinder singh gnnsj from sikh channel)

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Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru je ki Fateh

Sikh Channel is concerned by underhand and aggressive competitive practices in recent days by Sangat TV and humbly requests your advices.

As a learned and leading figure in the Sikh community respected widely and by all at Sikh Channel and also as the figurehead and Public Leader of Sangat TV we wish to draw your attention to concerns which you will not be aware of.

Sangat TV is positioning itself as a direct competitor and engaging in underhand practices to interfere with the Peoples Channels broadcast and programming. Please clarify:

1. Sangat TV sees Sikh Channel as a direct competitor and are now engaged in aggressive practices towards the People’s Channel programming.

2. Five senior Sangat TV representatives visited the home of one of our Regular Guest Presenters and requested he leave Sikh Channel and join Sangat TV

3. Sikh Channel Presenter has been enticed by financial reward greater than offered by Sikh Channel to present an identical programme to that featured on Sikh Channel thereby infringing intellectual copyright and programming format.

We seek your guidance upon Sangat TV, which has you as a figurehead; please confirm if Sangat TV is involved in a campaign of attrition against The Sikh’s Channel. We have had the kind pleasure of your company and know that you as a very Learned Sikh would not condone any such practices however your subordinates may be acting without your authority.

The Sikh Channel is bound to bring all matters before the public and will consider publicising the underhand and direct competitive policy of Sangat TV who are determined to copy and duplicate our programming and go further by actively poaching our established presenters.

Please clarify Sangat TV policy in this respect, if this indeed is the case, the Sikh Channel will meet with full force this direct and despicable conduct.

It would be unfortunate to have this anti panthic anti ekta situation of direct competition brought about by the actions of Sangat TV. We have not approached any presenter or regular Guest upon Sangat TV and had hoped you would offer alternative and differing programming to provide the Sikh Community with a choice. However Sangat TV seems determined to duplicate and poach Sikh Channel presenters and programming.

Please clarify the position of Sangat TV in order that we may present it before the viewers of The Sikh Channel and respond accordingly.

Moreover please note The Sikh Channel, all its Sevadars have the deepest respect, regard and admiration for you personally.

Kindly confirm. Many thanks.

Gur Fateh Parvan.

Sevadar on behalf of Sikh Channel

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We can back-fire at Sikh Channel, as they did register the domain "Sangat.TV" which 'cleverly' re-directs to SikhChannel.TV

Fishy or Coincidence?

This was registered 25 June 2010, when the Sangat was told that another Sikh TV Channel will be releasing shortly...

Supposdly, named "Sangat Television".

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Yes, the above all seems to be speculation. Unless, the writer of the letter, and the presenter mentioned, comes forward, it could be totally made up.

I sorry, but at the moment your post could be seen as a ploy to split Sikhs up in general, and break any existing unity of the Sikh Channels, and the Sangat who watch those channels!

Without anyone seeing the letter headed correspondence, it could all be made up!

how did you come across the letter?

Are you able to scan the letter and post it on this tread!

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Yes, the above all seems to be speculation. Unless, the writer of the letter, and the presenter mentioned, comes forward, it could be totally made up.

I sorry, but at the moment your post just seems to be a ploy to split Sikhs up in general, and break any existing unity of the Sikh Channels, and the Sangat who watch those channels!

Without anyone seeing the letter headed correspondence, it sounds to me like you're just making it up!

Who are you? and how did you come across the letter?

Are you able to scan the letter and post it on this tread!

Nicely said! It's quite funny how "PrabhKaSimran" joins SikhSangat TODAY, and posts this 'mysterious' letter... :ph34r:

Benti to admin, please trace I.P address and see if its matches any existing user. :)

You don't need to reveal the I.P address, just the the Sangat know, yes or no. :D

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If this following quote is true, then why does one need to create a NEW account, just to post this? ;)

I came across the below letter on the net (addressed to bhai sahib mohinder singh gnnsj from sikh channel)

Also, please provide "I came across the below letter on the net", link to source.

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TO the original poster, Please post the link to the source of the article. If no such information is provided in the next 24hours , this topic will be closed.

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They are probabaly on about Kulwant Singh Dhesi as he now comes on Sangat TV

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They've got a scroll along the bottom of Sikh Channel which seems to confirm the above letter. I heard Ranjit Singh Rana has left Sikh Channel to join Sangat TV. This is very petty by Sikh Channel. Rather than complaining about the competition, they should make themselves stronger.

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and yet sangat tv said they were not going to get politicians involved anyway.

Sikh Channel approached sangat tv not long ago wanting to join forces, sangat tv in brief said they will think about it and let sikh channel know - sikh channel releases a statement saying they have joined and sangat tv will close down in december.

Sangat TV got upset and said NO waayyyy - as sikh channel was lying and just doing a publicity stunt.

Thats all sikh channel is good at, publicity stunts.

Why dont all three channels cover sonia gandhis visit and host dialogue with her and make a show on the attrocities commited by her mother not only on sikhs but everyone else.

Election fraud,

Served imprisonment,

Who was she married to? what waas he?

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Why dont all three channels cover sonia gandhis visit and host dialogue with her and make a show on the attrocities commited by her mother not only on sikhs but everyone else.

Election fraud,

Served imprisonment,

Who was she married to? what waas he?

Please reply to my PM. :)

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I urge all of the REAL Sikh minority on this board not to get entangled into this petty argument that we are seeing everywhere at this time we have a much bigger challenge at hand like releasing a REAL puritan Sikh Channel without the bribes underhand tacttics and politicking

There are some very very wealthy gursikhs that will agree with me on this believe me when I tell you these two or three channels are going to be left in the dust by the new channels if they attempt to manipulate or mislead the panth in any way as will any person connected to these channels.

:waheguru: :waheguru: :waheguru: :waheguru: :waheguru:

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TO the original poster, Please post the link to the source of the article. If no such information is provided in the next 24hours , this topic will be closed.

I believe 24 hours are up... :)

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh,

Message to Admin; The original link is no longer online but I can try to get a copy of letter and scan it in for my brothers and sisters who question it's credibility.

If you watch 847 now you can see Rana and Avtar Singh doing a live show that use to be on Sikh Channel called miri piri at the exact same time (this is no coincidence). I'm fully aware Sikh Channel are not saints but is this what our beautiful guru khalsa panth has come to? Will they continue competing with each other by playing dirty politics and trying to get a upper hand (while our fellow sikhs continue converting to other religions and cults).

All these old wedge, power hungry, useless political fools who have been fighting with each other over the last 27 years are exploiting these channels. These very people claimed (live on air) that they are very loyal to Sikh Channel for the last 2 years and simply switched to Sangat TV on their first live show.

I have very close inside links with both Sikh Channel and Sangat Tv and brothers and sisters don't be fooled thinking they have Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Sikhi at interest.

Sikhi will never grow if Sikh's cannot learn to love and respect each other.

Please forgive me in advance if any offence taken.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

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I was shocked to see Rana on Sangat TV as he seemed so loyal to sikh channel. But anyways its not difficult to make out that he is Badal's man. He hosted so many programs with Advocate Inderjit Sangha who is Badal's Uk head on sikh channel. I can't see how such people can be asset to any channel. These people just mislead people into believing they are very knowledgable on sikhi and then slowly introduce their political master's agenda. Sikh channel is not all OK but I can say they keep things balanced very well. They expose bitter truths of punjab boldly in panthic way. They hold really good talk shows both in punjabi and english, both for old and young. I do get annoyed when they have some people who just can't hear anything against Badal , but then thats just a tiny part which is not so difficult to ignore.

And on Sangat TV on inaugration day of live programming Rana hosted show with that badal's man Inderjit Singh Sangha. Not sure how that can be good for Sangat channel or sikhs. I think its a shame for Sangat channel that they needed people like rana and Sangha on their very first day of live programming. And this guy Inderjit Sangha never introduces himself as Badal's Uk head just so that people trust what he says before he starts infiltrating anything with "accomplishments" of Badal in Punjab.

Sikh TV on the other hand is becoming more of a cultural channel rather than sikh channel. I have seen punjabi filmi songs on it.

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Rana's ok but he suits the over censored approach of sangat tv anyway. Let's see if the competition of these 2 channels produce better quality presenters. Sikh tv on the other hand need to buck up, they're cashing in on gagandip singh's death, but once that's over they've nothing much to offer.

I think we'll be just left with Sikh Channel and Sangat Tv and the competitive streak should help produce better quality of programmes.

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Just to make the Sangat aware. Sangat Television are not poaching Sikh Channel Presenters and Staff...

If you really want to know the REAL story, then why not phone into the Sangat TV studio?

0121 760 0000... Simple :)

Please do not run after hearsays...

Also, all presenters have left on their OWN will. No force has been given by Sangat Television.

I believe it is best to keep quiet.

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That's shocking, I was surprised when Miri-Piri Veechar was not LIVE on Thursday last week.

It is good for the Panth to have multiple media channels, but it is not very good to see presentors who were the first on Sikh Channel when it started to switch completely to some another channel?

Better Pay/remuneration/Chaudhar?

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I couldn't agree with you more. For example if you watch all 3 channels at 12:30pm on weekends you will see Sukhmani Sahib is on all three channels - what is the point of duplicate programming? A major problem is that we have so many brothers and sisters who are great at posting messages on forums anonymously and expect great programming (while sitting on the sofa) but are not prepared to bend backwards to help make an impact. I feel all of the channels are completing missing the point and are not addressing the real issues like;

a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1oU4AquonQ

b.

c. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7-QTm4N44c

Power, money and corruption has killed us.

Self made leaders like Kulwant Singh Dhesi and Ranjit Singh Rana (ex Sikh Channel presenters and now presenters of Sangat TV) absolutely despise each other and would never do a show together (they don't even say Fateh) - is this the behaviour of true Sikhs? I was shocked this week when I learnt Sangat TV are planning to film Ravi Shankar in concert - how is this helping sustain and grow Sikhi? The majority of the trustees at Sangat TV (who pay £5k a month) are puppets of Badal - you will see for yourselves when they never give any coverage to killings of innocent Sikhs in Punjab jails. Sikh Channel also really needs to pick up their game by making more professional content to cater for British born Sikhs.

I was watching the programme 'Peoples People' on Sangat TV when the kickboxer was interviewed, which had zero relevance to Sikhi. Both the interviewer and guest had uncovered cut hair - is this what we have come to? What message is this giving to it's viewers? Khalsa ji (RSingh96) please check your sources, as I have spoken personally with individuals who have been under pressure by Lakha, Randhir, Malhi, etc for the past 6 months to leave Sikh Channel and join forces with Sangat TV.

Sikhi will never ever grow and go forwards if we cannot love each other and become one. Do we really need 3 channels who appear to have the exact same content? We all need to get involved and help as much as possible by placing pressure on our channels to highlight the real issues Sikhs are everyday.

As always, please forgive me in advance if any offence taken by any of my brothers and sisters.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

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These "personalities" will move around the tv channels like self-appointed professors of the Sikh faith like the oldtimers who sit in the gurdwara or town centre bench gossiping all day. I have seen the same faces on all three Sikh channels and MATV / Venus / DM Digital when those channels have Sikhi / Ravidassia programmes. The only one truth that they can't change is Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and that Gurbani is the same wherever they go. Many are lost in their own fake egos and think aligning themselves with financial or political power makes them clever and spokes persons for the community. Lets just see what they do when PTC Punjabi launches soon or who knows if ZEE Punjabi goes free, could happen :)Or when a certain businessman I know launches 3 new channels where at least one maybe religiously based and funded by the other radio/tv channels which this independant company owns lets see who tries to jump ship then! I can say without reservation as I know they definitely won't be welcome there when they have all too readily shown their true colours. Waheguru

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These "personalities" will move around the tv channels like self-appointed professors of the Sikh faith like the oldtimers who sit in the gurdwara or town centre bench gossiping all day. I have seen the same faces on all three Sikh channels and MATV / Venus / DM Digital when those channels have Sikhi / Ravidassia programmes. The only one truth that they can't change is Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and that Gurbani is the same wherever they go. Many are lost in their own fake egos and think aligning themselves with financial or political power makes them clever and spokes persons for the community. Lets just see what they do when PTC Punjabi launches soon or who knows if ZEE Punjabi goes free, could happen :)Or when a certain businessman I know launches 3 new channels where at least one maybe religiously based and funded by the other radio/tv channels which this independant company owns lets see who tries to jump ship then! I can say without reservation as I know they definitely won't be welcome there when they have all too readily shown their true colours. Waheguru

I have cable not sky so cant watch the 3 sikh channels, but i have zee punjabi it has good sikhi related shows. I know it is a cultural punjabi channel but nearly half of the day is dedicated to sikhi programmes.

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I had sort of developed lot of respect for people such as Sardar Rana Jee, and others - but switching like this (even if there was some battle or politics) when they were the founder presentors looks very dodgy to me.

It gives a basic thinking nod to me "They (founder presentors of SikhChannel) were not able to close their issues by discussing them in a room". They took a decision of leaving it and joining another similar body. This is a professional world and people are free to join which ever organisation they want; but if this is voluntary religious service (What we call as SEWA) - I will be surprised taking this analogous to "I will not go to Gurudwara XXX because I have issues with Management comitte of Gurudwara XXX and from now on I will go to Gurudwara YYY".

Some people might not like my comment - but a fundamental question I have is "Is this going to be the case even if we would have a Khalistan?" If there are some internal differences/problems, set down and resolve

OR

Jatt will require a Jattistan/Khatri will require Khatristan/Develop new Kingdoms "Majhwa/Malwa/Deoba" as we can't sit together and resolve our difference and so on ...

I really don't know how many organisations we want to create OR how many Sikh Channels we want to create OR in how much pieces we want to divide the land ...

I think Zee Punjabi Anchor(s) Gurpreet Singh and Manjeet Kaur on Programme "Ek Onkar" now look more honest and versed with GurSikhi teachings to me as compared to Sikh Channel/Sangat TV presentors; who talk mostly on Politics/"Nindya" BLAH BLAH; although the above mentioned Zee Punjabi anchors are quite young ....

I have never seen these channels presenting Janam Saakhi of Guru Nanak Dev Jee/Guru Gobind Singh jee Or any such thing as Sau Saakhi on an evening program ... Most of it is just Politics, if this is what one will be discussing all the time, this is what the personal traits will become and hence "KLAH-KALESH" in one's own life will be similar only ...

Sangat TV - Agents of Badal - won't be surprised. They don't mention anything about 84Genocide OR Sikh torture - won't be surprised - Badal group has money to easily fund and start 20+ such channels in UK. I haven't seen Sangat TV asking for Funds but SikhChannel and Sikh TV are always in need of funds - which looks quite honest as they might not be backed by a corrupt political block ...

I will fully support SikhChannel now and all new presentors including the young one's hosting show over on SikhChannel; I really want these oldies always spreading hatred and corrupt political entities to be boycotted; although I am a small entitiy; and this is the best I can do -just wish good for Panth and Sikhi and boycott of these corrupt political oldies ...

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What is the big deal? Don't make it anything bigger than it really is. Dhesi and Rana decided to switch channels. Happens all the time in the world. Heck, Torres left L'pool for Chelsea, Tevez left Utd for City, and Ant and Dec left BBC to go to ITV. People sometimes develop differences of opinion over time, often when nothing sinister is involved. No need to read too much into this, unless someone brings up clear evidence of anti-Gurmat activity going on.

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There is no originally in Sangat Tv if they will be re-packaging Sikh Channel presenters and programme formats. Thats disappointing as Sangat was promising a different programmes etc. They have taken the easy option rather than attempting to carve their our niche and style in Sikh Media.

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Sir,

Rana Sahib abused the intelligence of Sikhs on Sikh Channel by promoting Badel and the like openly and even cut off phone calls objecting to his harkat.

We Sikhs are in a big fix today and none of the channels are forthcoming to discuss the issues that have divided us Sikhs leave alone trying to bring us together. Till we find a platform where people can ask and share the information leading to truth - I suggest we improve by educating ourselves and 'be true to ourselves and the Lord' so that when we hear a comment that is against Gursikhi we can easily recognise and put it right, a few people knowing the answer leads to divisions!

It is shameful that it is very difficult to discuss Sikhi in our own families. I will briefly explain the situation that nearly started a fight with my Bhua Ji who is about five years older than me and both of us were brought up on Bala Sakis!. We started discussing corruption of Sikh scriptures and I said that the only scripture that we can rely on is "Guru Granth Sahib" because document that you pick has been corrupted not only by RSS and their influence but the older documents like Bala's Sakhi etc.- this sakhi has no Sikh basis and the proof is in the Granth Sahib which is written by the six Gurus, 15 Bhagats and Sidhs, it has three shabads by Bhai Mardhana. There is no mention of Bala - that is a creation of Brahmin class who got spurned when Guru Nanak refused to wear the janau and get married the Hindu way. And I was brought up with this Sakhi - I have spent past year to find out about the religion that has given me life and has sacrificed so much to teach me what I am here for and how to go about my life. When I started searching the truth I have scoured over a hundred sikh sites and found only a handful that even attempt to present Sikhi with true intent.

Our SGPC and Akal Takhat and then other Takhats too are full of howme' the vice that the Gurus sacrified their lives for and are trying to be the leaders of our Sikh Race. The Police and Government of Punjab (including India) are drunk with power and stifling Sikhs as a nation or even a group even after their contributions for the freedom India enjoys or should enjoy today. It hurts.

There needs to be a program on the TV where anybody can ask a question and the panel answer (like 'any questions' on BBC radio 4 on Friday evenings at about 8pm). This would bring out issues that have been side stepped by Akal Takhat and SGPC - like people having been excomunicated because these people incharge are uneducated and consider young people asking relavant question as disrespect to them. They have positioned themselves above Guru Granth! You may want to check out on Kala Afgana, Darshan Singh etc. there is so much our leading authorities have to answer for it is not believeable.

There is this turban issue in Punjab - the least attention has come from Sangat TV is it possible there is some coersion that does not try to highlight the fact that this is attack on SIKHI? That we should persue this till we find out who is the one giving orders - this is not a one of incidence - its happening every day but the press is gagged and the people of Punjab are handcuffed to respond - thanks to people like Rana Sahib that same mentality is being infiltrated in UK.

There is too much to write but let me leave you with the state of Sikhi today presented by an educated Sikh Sukhpreet Singh Udhoke see his video - please see it right through - I think a full feature film should be made of this. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6328595918868971690&q=surinder+khahira#

Bhul Chuck Maf

Gursikh

I had sort of developed lot of respect for people such as Sardar Rana Jee, and others - but switching like this (even if there was some battle or politics) when they were the founder presentors looks very dodgy to me.

It gives a basic thinking nod to me "They (founder presentors of SikhChannel) were not able to close their issues by discussing them in a room". They took a decision of leaving it and joining another similar body. This is a professional world and people are free to join which ever organisation they want; but if this is voluntary religious service (What we call as SEWA) - I will be surprised taking this analogous to "I will not go to Gurudwara XXX because I have issues with Management comitte of Gurudwara XXX and from now on I will go to Gurudwara YYY".

Some people might not like my comment - but a fundamental question I have is "Is this going to be the case even if we would have a Khalistan?" If there are some internal differences/problems, set down and resolve

OR

Jatt will require a Jattistan/Khatri will require Khatristan/Develop new Kingdoms "Majhwa/Malwa/Deoba" as we can't sit together and resolve our difference and so on ...

I really don't know how many organisations we want to create OR how many Sikh Channels we want to create OR in how much pieces we want to divide the land ...

I think Zee Punjabi Anchor(s) Gurpreet Singh and Manjeet Kaur on Programme "Ek Onkar" now look more honest and versed with GurSikhi teachings to me as compared to Sikh Channel/Sangat TV presentors; who talk mostly on Politics/"Nindya" BLAH BLAH; although the above mentioned Zee Punjabi anchors are quite young ....

I have never seen these channels presenting Janam Saakhi of Guru Nanak Dev Jee/Guru Gobind Singh jee Or any such thing as Sau Saakhi on an evening program ... Most of it is just Politics, if this is what one will be discussing all the time, this is what the personal traits will become and hence "KLAH-KALESH" in one's own life will be similar only ...

Sangat TV - Agents of Badal - won't be surprised. They don't mention anything about 84Genocide OR Sikh torture - won't be surprised - Badal group has money to easily fund and start 20+ such channels in UK. I haven't seen Sangat TV asking for Funds but SikhChannel and Sikh TV are always in need of funds - which looks quite honest as they might not be backed by a corrupt political block ...

I will fully support SikhChannel now and all new presentors including the young one's hosting show over on SikhChannel; I really want these oldies always spreading hatred and corrupt political entities to be boycotted; although I am a small entitiy; and this is the best I can do -just wish good for Panth and Sikhi and boycott of these corrupt political oldies ...

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What is the big deal? Don't make it anything bigger than it really is. Dhesi and Rana decided to switch channels. Happens all the time in the world. Heck, Torres left L'pool for Chelsea, Tevez left Utd for City, and Ant and Dec left BBC to go to ITV. People sometimes develop differences of opinion over time, often when nothing sinister is involved. No need to read too much into this, unless someone brings up clear evidence of anti-Gurmat activity going on.

lol :) thats funny

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