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Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Brindrawale's own brother Captain Singh saw 5000 people take Amrit from Sant Ji (as part of the Panj Piyare) in 1 day! If we are given another leader like Sant Ji all we be in Chardi Kala!

In the meantime, we could send in the White American and Russian Sikhs to bring the brown Punjabis back into their priceless Sikhi.

Good luck to the real Christians and anyone who wants to join them.

However, I have not seen anything in the above vidoes to suggest that all those starring on stage weren't simply the Pastor's own paid people. That also includes the lady in the second video who drags her feet, shakes, cries, and makes areoplane noises! It's nice to think of anyone joining any religion becuase they are inspired by it. But the cheap tricks like those above, to con people into a religion, are just plain sad!

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existing religions are allowerd to preach in punjab, new religions are alowed to be created - this is fine...... but when these groups use and abuse gurbani, gurmat terms, sikh attire and manipulate sikh sangat they are infact challanging the sikhs.

Agreed, on top of that there are subtle and very real attacks on Sikhs. The government is bought out by criminal cults that have no other intention than money and tryign to hurt Sikhs.

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We already don't have a big majority in Punjab, it was 59% in 2001. If it continues like this within ten years we shall be a minority: 35% Sikh (that too mostly by name), 50% Hindu (bhaiyya influx), 10% Christian (high conversion rate of poorer sections of society) and 5% muslim (gujjar influx).

SGPC have an annual budget of over 1000 crore rupees, where do they spend it? They eat half of it, and to fool the masses they (unnecessarily) renovate some Gurdwaras (destroying the original marble etc).

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@ SevadaarEKhalsa - Wow. Is that how much income the SGPC generates? If our Gurus were amongst us today (you know what I mean), would they allow the caretakers of our Gurudwaras to hoard money and waste it on God knows what, instead of distributing it amongst the poor and helping society? Yet they still have the gall to call themselves true Sikhs and take lofty positions of authority in Sikhi? Shame on them and they WILL have to answer for all their misdeeds when their lives are over.

Why can we identify these issues and causes to help our fellow Sikh brothers and sisters, yet those who are in a position to do something seem oblivious to it all? Are we wrong? Are we missing out on some vital detail that means we're not grasping the truth of the situation? The mind boggles.

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As a British Sikh, this whole 'christian' thing is difficult to understand given the fact that here, and throughout Europe, Christianity is more of a museum relic rather than an actual functioning religion in existence. Probably even more so in England where even the supreme archbishop publicly states that he can't state for sure that god exists. Here, Christianity is seen more as the religion of the new immigrants from Africa. In wider society, seen as a religion for those that are not too clever, to put it mildly. So......when we read about its spread in Punjab it surprises us. Coz we didn't even realise there were still any christians around. Now this is where our American and Canadian friends fit into the story. We here in England go on about the spread of Islam and never mention Christianity because lets face it, christianity is as dead as a dodo here. But in north America Christianity is actually not a museum piece.....its actually still alive. Very much alive. It is them that are spreading christianity in Punjab. In Punjab, they find likeminded not very well read, not very well cultured, not very educated peoples. I see it all the time in Canada. Coming from England its one of the first things you notice because its so alien to us. Punjabi Christian churches all over the place. So so many of them. The Englandians keep going on about sikh girls in the UK converting to Islam but how many times do you hear about north American Sikhs complaining about Sikh girls converting to Christianity......even though their christianity conversions outnumber the uk islam conversions by 100 to one. You probably all noticed how that politician Nikki Hayley (formerly Randahwa) makes a big deal of her christianity to get elected.........whereas in England, it would be political suicide for a politician to proclaim his christianity. He'd never get elected because everyone would think he's an <banned word filter activated>. Now....I realise that things are different in the UK. That kind of Punjabi christianity would never be allowed here. The local Sikhs AND muslims AND hindus would kick up an almighty fuss....and the authorities, who don't like christianity anyway, would shut these punjabi churches down immediately in the interests of social cohesion.

But....our Americam and Canadian friends have done nothing to check this growth........these newly converted christians now fullfill their duty as missionaries by going to Punjab......and we're all paying the price. You wanna sort this problem....then you go to the source of the problem. The source of the problem is in Vancouver and Toronto.

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@ SevadaarEKhalsa - Wow. Is that how much income the SGPC generates? If our Gurus were amongst us today (you know what I mean), would they allow the caretakers of our Gurudwaras to hoard money and waste it on God knows what, instead of distributing it amongst the poor and helping society? Yet they still have the gall to call themselves true Sikhs and take lofty positions of authority in Sikhi? Shame on them and they WILL have to answer for all their misdeeds when their lives are over.

Why can we identify these issues and causes to help our fellow Sikh brothers and sisters, yet those who are in a position to do something seem oblivious to it all? Are we wrong? Are we missing out on some vital detail that means we're not grasping the truth of the situation? The mind boggles.

Yes that their income. Only Harmandar Sahib has over 2 lac devotees daily, if they even give 5 rupees each it makes it 10 lac a day. And most of the NRIs donate a LOT. Heres an example:

Amritsar: The Managing Director of the Singapore-based Thukral Group of Companies, Arvinder Singh, and Sarabjit Singh, offered 8 gold watches to the Manager of the Sri Harmandir Sahib Gurudwara, Harbans Singh Malli. The Information officers of the Gurudwara, Jasvinder Singh Jassi and Gurbachan Singh were also present.

They will have to pay for their misdeed but we have got to stop this system, is this any better than the Masand system Guru Ji abolished? Don't donate at Indian Gurdwaras anymore, or donate just a minimal amount. Donate to poor Sikhs/Shaheedi parivaars and organisation working for Panth.

As a British Sikh, this whole 'christian' thing is difficult to understand given the fact that here, and throughout Europe, Christianity is more of a museum relic rather than an actual functioning religion in existence. Probably even more so in England where even the supreme archbishop publicly states that he can't state for sure that god exists. Here, Christianity is seen more as the religion of the new immigrants from Africa. In wider society, seen as a religion for those that are not too clever, to put it mildly. So......when we read about its spread in Punjab it surprises us. Coz we didn't even realise there were still any christians around. Now this is where our American and Canadian friends fit into the story. We here in England go on about the spread of Islam and never mention Christianity because lets face it, christianity is as dead as a dodo here. But in north America Christianity is actually not a museum piece.....its actually still alive. Very much alive. It is them that are spreading christianity in Punjab. In Punjab, they find likeminded not very well read, not very well cultured, not very educated peoples. I see it all the time in Canada. Coming from England its one of the first things you notice because its so alien to us. Punjabi Christian churches all over the place. So so many of them. The Englandians keep going on about sikh girls in the UK converting to Islam but how many times do you hear about north American Sikhs complaining about Sikh girls converting to Christianity......even though their christianity conversions outnumber the uk islam conversions by 100 to one. You probably all noticed how that politician Nikki Hayley (formerly Randahwa) makes a big deal of her christianity to get elected.........whereas in England, it would be political suicide for a politician to proclaim his christianity. He'd never get elected because everyone would think he's an <banned word filter activated>. Now....I realise that things are different in the UK. That kind of Punjabi christianity would never be allowed here. The local Sikhs AND muslims AND hindus would kick up an almighty fuss....and the authorities, who don't like christianity anyway, would shut these punjabi churches down immediately in the interests of social cohesion.

But....our Americam and Canadian friends have done nothing to check this growth........these newly converted christians now fullfill their duty as missionaries by going to Punjab......and we're all paying the price. You wanna sort this problem....then you go to the source of the problem. The source of the problem is in Vancouver and Toronto.

Your right.

Christianity is dying in (West) Europe, but as you pointed out very much functioning in Northern America and even Australia. Only the other day my friend from Canada was telling how 2 Punjabi Christian aunties went from door to door trying to win converts.

I saw a poster some time ago from Australia which had a photo of a Sikh couple converting to Christianity with the title 'from Sikhdom' to freedom' - proper Behzti.

The thing is that our communities have different problems all over - we can't just say that one religion is our enemy. We have to defend our beloved Sikhi from all sides.

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As a British Sikh, this whole 'christian' thing is difficult to understand given the fact that here, and throughout Europe, Christianity is more of a museum relic rather than an actual functioning religion in existence. Probably even more so in England where even the supreme archbishop publicly states that he can't state for sure that god exists. Here, Christianity is seen more as the religion of the new immigrants from Africa. In wider society, seen as a religion for those that are not too clever, to put it mildly. So......when we read about its spread in Punjab it surprises us. Coz we didn't even realise there were still any christians around. Now this is where our American and Canadian friends fit into the story. We here in England go on about the spread of Islam and never mention Christianity because lets face it, christianity is as dead as a dodo here. But in north America Christianity is actually not a museum piece.....its actually still alive. Very much alive. It is them that are spreading christianity in Punjab. In Punjab, they find likeminded not very well read, not very well cultured, not very educated peoples. I see it all the time in Canada. Coming from England its one of the first things you notice because its so alien to us. Punjabi Christian churches all over the place. So so many of them. The Englandians keep going on about sikh girls in the UK converting to Islam but how many times do you hear about north American Sikhs complaining about Sikh girls converting to Christianity......even though their christianity conversions outnumber the uk islam conversions by 100 to one. You probably all noticed how that politician Nikki Hayley (formerly Randahwa) makes a big deal of her christianity to get elected.........whereas in England, it would be political suicide for a politician to proclaim his christianity. He'd never get elected because everyone would think he's an <banned word filter activated>. Now....I realise that things are different in the UK. That kind of Punjabi christianity would never be allowed here. The local Sikhs AND muslims AND hindus would kick up an almighty fuss....and the authorities, who don't like christianity anyway, would shut these punjabi churches down immediately in the interests of social cohesion.

But....our Americam and Canadian friends have done nothing to check this growth........these newly converted christians now fullfill their duty as missionaries by going to Punjab......and we're all paying the price. You wanna sort this problem....then you go to the source of the problem. The source of the problem is in Vancouver and Toronto.

Khalsa Aid is actively providing financial support for the poor Sikhs in rural Punjab. The Christians, Rada Swamis,Ram Rahims and all other are taking FULL advantage of our in-fighting over internal differences. Khalsa Aid has openly invited Pracharaks from different Jathas to set up Prachar centres in their local areas of Punjab but nobody has come forward. We can blame everyone else but unless we start to take the first step by providing financial aid for the poor Sikhs we will remain static and the anti-Sikh elements very active.

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Khalsa Aid is actively providing financial support for the poor Sikhs in rural Punjab. The Christians, Rada Swamis,Ram Rahims and all other are taking FULL advantage of our in-fighting over internal differences. Khalsa Aid has openly invited Pracharaks from different Jathas to set up Prachar centres in their local areas of Punjab but nobody has come forward. We can blame everyone else but unless we start to take the first step by providing financial aid for the poor Sikhs we will remain static and the anti-Sikh elements very active.

firstly, i commend Khalsa Aid for their undying efforts in all fields of seva they have, are and plan to undertake.

would it be a good idea to make the request to pracharaks again with explicit emphasis on the need, and expressing that the responces you recieved will be published on the khalsa aid website? the pracharaks / jathabandi's that decline should be named.

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This is not a new problem in punjab. This been going on since 1840's but the recent sudden surge of punjabi/ex-sikh pastor is the tool of american based business model missionary groups.

I would say there were few and extremely low level missionary activities during 70's/80's and 90's and recent high level of christian activities is because they don't keep faith in sikhi because their parents never taught them nor SGPC took any care about teaching sikhi to these rural ppl. Sikh dharam is not easy to understand and it requires great effort and energy to follow this lifestyle and it is simple that some ppl do not have capability to follow. HOwever, everybody needs to be given a chance to know the treasure of our gurus and then it is upto them whether to follow or not.

There are few churches in Punjab since early 1900's and they run many excellent schools and hospitals in punjab and THEY ARE NICE.. They are of catholic background and they do such degrading paid actors to convince/deceive or fool ppl around. Don't confuse Catholics with these drama fake ex-sikh pastors. In US we have these similar type of shows coming 24/7 on tv channels (TBN etc). In recent news article of India of Today, catholics of india did strongly protest against such tactics used by american funded missionaries because indian caatholics believe that such stage dramas and blackmailing ppl by deceiving methods will create strong rift among religious groups in india.

Should we sikhs be worried about this?

Yes and No. Yes is because we need gullible people not to become victims of fraud preachers. No is because we need to put our house in order first before going out to tackle other problems. How can we defend ourself when whopping 80% of us who claims to be strong sikh in punjab do not follow the orders of guru sahib jee of keeping basic kesh rehat. First, we need build our defense strong.. once we accomplish that then only we can go ahead with offense.

I don't even wanna comment on khalsa aid post... going in circles. Ludhiana missionaries and those drama christian missionaries are doing the same damage to panth... don't agree? just watch and see what lies ahead.

the responces you recieved will be published on the khalsa aid website? the pracharaks / jathabandi's that decline should be named.

i would love to see that list with contact where sikh pracharak jathabandis declined offer to accept $ or pounds lol.. nobody in punjab decline financial offers and everybody knows that..

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