Q&A With Sant Jagjit Singh Ji Harkhowal Wale

[Lion of Punjab]

Penji that is a really stupid thing to say as baba ji comes from nirmalay samparda just like Sant baba Bishan Singh ji of Taksaal.

difference is one is a actual sant other is not

[Sikh_Soldier]

difference is one is a actual sant other is not

lol surely paji you would need to be at that avastha of Sant Baba Jagjit Singh ji to know if they were a sant or not or if Baba Bishan Singh ji was, I think you should go have their sangat just once.. if you're in the UK PM me :biggrin2:

[princess2005]

Moderators please allow this post as I believe this tidbit is beneficial to sangat to ensure they keep to their Sikhee roots and not follow the self proclaimed and styled people that run out to the Western countries as soon as it is deemed safe to do so….I have debated internally whether I should even write this but sometimes when something troubles you then you must let it come out - after all the truth is the truth…I could write much in here but I will keep to the basics and keep it as brief as possible…….

Enough of the snataan math, I don't need definitions of different types of anand and to recognise all these technicalities of Sikhee. Sikhee is very simple, Guroo Sahib gave me clear directions when I took Khande De Pahul.

Above all I don't need a middle person to tell me how to get to my Guroo Sahib;

I don't need a middle person to tell me that the only way to get to Guroo Sahib is through medidating only through that middle person and not to meditate on Guroo Sahib.

..think here puth/puthree take this picture of me, put it on a high place and face a certain direction and meditate on me.. Not on Guroo sahib...

In all those years the only thing I saw was the said person getting a thrill out of Amritdharee's matha tekking.. Never mind the non-amritdharee's.

I don’t need a middle person to force me to matha tek to him as Guroo Sahib's fateh was clearly not enough and as told by the beloved Punj Piaray that I must not matha tek to any person… if he is so rare gemed.. then he would know why I don't matha tek to him and would not need to say that "I need to break your ego by you matha tekking to me...". Guroo Sahib's Fateh not enough I guess?

Ask the following questions for yourself - although I have heard the responses to these myself and let me tell you behind closed doors they will be different answers to those that are given in the wider sangat but I know …..

Why so quiet on the beadbi happening in India? There is a need for greater parchaar there not in the Western world? Is it because they're just aren’t enough chelai there?

Why the collective get together with Badal to win the SGPC elections? No opinion huh? Bigger strategy is it? Really huh?

Ask the opinion on the said person on Shaheed Singhs and Singhnea….. I have heard it. The love for Bharat is great. Enough said as I feel repulsed just having to write this.

We don't need this kind of parchaar, go and wow the masses in Panjab.. And join the hundreds of other derai valai….

The parchaar needs to be in India not in the Western world but in fact we don’t need that parchaar there either….

Continue to Wake up Singho, Singhnea.. Khalsa Panth is stronger than anything and we don’t need middle people to reach Guroo Sahib especially for example when they think they need to be matha teked themselves (just for further clarification no I'm not talking about touching the feet - I'm talking about matha tekking)

We feel the sea of change and no snataan math is going to interfere in it.

A certain story comes to mind:

Baba Sham Singh jee lived till the first quarter of 20th century and went to Sachkhand at the age of 125 years. He has the distinction of doing Kirtan Sewa at Siri Harmandir Sahib for more than 80 years. He saw rise and fall of Khalsa Raj, rise of Singh Sabha and formation of the Shiromini Committee in the 1920s. Baba jee was accepted as Brahmgyani Gurmukh the by whole Panth. Sant Attar Singh Mastuanewale, Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee and Bhai Vir Singh jee recognized him as great Gurmukh.

Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee in one of his books has written a Saakhi about Baba Sham Singh jee. Once Baba jee had a vision of the next world. He saw that a number of individuals were tied on camels and were being beaten mercilessly by Jammdoots. Baba jee asked someone as to why these individuals were being beaten up. He got the reply that these people allowed gullible devotees to Matha-Tek to them in the Maat-Lok (this world) and now they were being punished for this crime.

Even before having this vision, Baba Sham Singh jee did not allow anyone to Matha-Tek to him but now with this supernatural experience, he became very strict in not allowing anyone to Matha-tek or touch his Charan. If anyone did touch his feet, he would never rest till he too touched that person’s feet.

Baba jee was an ocean of divine knowledge and was a master of mystical powers (Ridhi Sidhi) but he kept himself hidden in his humility so well, that very few realized the extent of his great spiritual state.

Once he along with other Gursikhs was going for Darshan of Siri Harmandir Sahib. At this time his age was about 120 years. As he approached Darshani Deodhi, he went on his knees and did Matha-Tek to Siri Darbar Sahib. A 16 years old sewadaar of his Jatha got his chance and touched Baba jee’s feet from the back. Baba jee realized it and before he could say anything, that boy ran away towards Dukhbhanjani Beri. Sant jee ordered his Sewadaars to catch the boy and bring him over to him.

The boy was pretty fast and it took half an hour for them to catch him and bring him to Baba jee. Baba jee caught hold of both his feet, placed them on his forehead and humbly said, "ਕੀ ਫਿਰ ਤੂੰ ਗੁਲਾਮ ਦੇ ਪੈਰਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਹੱਥ ਲਾਏਂਗਾ?" (Will you ever touch this slave's feet again?).

Noteworthy thing is that Baba jee always addressed himself as Ghulaam and never used the pronoun "Mai" (I or we) for himself.

You can imagine what would have been the condition of the poor boy when he saw such great Mahapurakh placing his head on his feet. He was greatly vexed and holding his ears by his hands apologized and promised never to do so again.

Bhai Vir Singh has written that he was blessed with Sikhi through Baba Sham Singh jee. When Bhai Vir Singh took Amrit from Siri Akal Takhat Sahib, Baba Sham Singh was the Jathedar of Punj Pyare. He writes that Sant jee used to love him greatly but never allowed him to touch his Charan.

Baba Sham Singh jee was such great Gurmukh!

Read the above and see the difference.. .There seems to be too much proliferation of such wrong actioned people.. Why would they want to change anything.. They already have Raaj themselves… demand their air tickets and off they go.

Having been in this very company.. Guroo Sahib saved me… and placed me back on the correct path…. Don’t be misled by such parchaar - however harmless it may sound at the beginning… you'll find you'll spend a bit more time and suddenly what you used to find acceptable is no longer as the snataan math and other rubbish has crept in slowly but surely…..

Those people that just cannot understand this post - I feel sorry for them… hope Guroo Sahib does Kirpaa on you to see the way…

Keep your connection with Guroo Sahib… you don’t need to know the technicalities of such things.. All you need to do is to feel Guroo Sahib's love and kirpaa and that is by keeping your rehat as ordained by Guroo Sahib, yes learn by example of respected Singhs and Singhnea and never forget the kurbanee's given by our beloved Shaheed Singhs and Singhnea but if you have a slightest doubt of snataan math from anyone - RUN!

Each person is responsible for their own actions .. Being from a certain samparday does not make you exempt from your own actions…wearing white and looking the part does not exempt you either . nor does having a few low level ridh/sidhs..... One of the poster's above mentioned taksal - I urge you to go and find the numerous katha's that Sant Jarnail Singh Jee gave - its readily accessible on the net so go and explore...

I won't be participating in back and forth discussions as the small minority of those people that have been brainwashed or like to be known here as knowledgeable on this technique or that technique or different types of anand...- well good luck going around in a circle.. I think I’d rather concentrate on my rehat and my gursikhee jeevun as would others.

For the wider sangat that is not so naive… Keep strong in your Sikhee - Guroo Sahib made us Sant Sipahee's…. Don’t let anyone ever tell you otherwise and don’t let anyone ever interfere in your relationship with Guroo Sahib.

There is only one place to run to and have your questions answered and that is the King of Kings!. Bow your head to Guroo Sahib and watch in awe the kirpaa Guroo Sahib showers you.

A very grateful daughter of Guroo Gobind Singh Jee.

[Singhstah]

Can someone please clarify whether Bhai Jagjit Singh advises peoples to carry out havans (Hindu fire rituals). thanks

Edit: I came across Bhai Jagjit Singh's autobiography and found this, looks like Bhai Ji does promote havans; "Many families started holding havans (holy fire), lighting essence sticks and reciting 33 rosaries of Mool Mantra or reciting 25 Japji Sahibs each day" (Page 46).

[GuptUnknown]

Can someone please clarify whether Bhai Jagjit Singh advises peoples to carry out havans (Hindu fire rituals). thanks

Not sure if serious......

[SunSingh]

the saints mentioned in above post don't do stuff like getting people to meditate on their pictures etc. i think you're confusing them with cultists.

what is a havan??

[AKSANTALI]

Reply to singhstahs post, all you picked up was the light a fire, it's not gonna be a haven, <banned word filter activated>. It's gonna be a jot, and what about the 33 rosaries of mool manter and 25 jap Ji sahibs a day did you not notice him say that. Try that for 40 days and then you will understand what the mahapurakh is talking about.

And for the above long post just a typical akj with no depth of undertanding.

Request to moderators to delete my account I'm sick of this websites negativity, I've tried to do it myself and contact you guy to do it but I'm not that much of a techie, so I can't find a way of doing it, so benti parvaan karni.

[mohinder pal]

Havan is not some cult thing or Hindu thing. It was there in Sikh tradition long back. Even guru gobind singh ji did havan when Shakti was worshipped for Khalsa. Havan is nothing but reciting of Gurbani like CHANDI DI VAAR,SUKHMANI SAHIB,URGARDANTI,CHANDI CHARITAR,ASA DI VAAR, JAPJI sAHIB,Complete ANAND SAHIB in Amritwela(before sunrise) by few Gursikhs infront of SGGSJI or lighting Jot.

But We sikhs donot say."We are doing Havan" but "we are doing Nitnem" Becuase emphasis is on GURBANI recitation and Darshan of SGGSJI nothing else.

[mohinder pal]

If You people think FIRE belongs to Hindu Religion, Then we shoudl not use it in making Food becuase it will make us HINDUS too. ))

[osingh]

"Havan is not some cult thing or Hindu thing. It was there in Sikh tradition long back. Even guru gobind singh ji did havan when Shakti was worshipped for Khalsa. Havan is nothing but reciting of Gurbani like CHANDI DI VAAR,SUKHMANI SAHIB,URGARDANTI,CHANDI CHARITAR,ASA DI VAAR, JAPJI sAHIB,Complete ANAND SAHIB in Amritwela(before sunrise) by few Gursikhs infront of SGGSJI or lighting Jot."

Guru Gobind Singh ji maharaj never performed havan or worshipped shakti.

Our 10 Guru Sahiban worshipped sri Akal Purakh who has all shakti/power in his control. Why worship a part of Akal Purakh?

Gurbani advises us to worship by japping naam. To jap Gurmantar is the highest karam as per Gurbani.

Doing havan cannot and will never be equal to reciting Gurbani. Show me one pankti in Guru Granth Sahib ji that havan is the same as reciting Gurbani. Back up your claims with Gurbani. Gurbani is our touchstone. Rituals like havan are not part of Gurmat. Gurmat karams include reciting Gurbani, japping Gurmantar, seva such as langar, ishnan at amritvela...............................................

Rabb Rakhe