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Dr. Sukhpreet Singh Udoke On Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji

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He is caught here on his word. He is the one who creates doubt about dasam bani. How he is trying

to dodge the question.

He has not understood this line at all. If one reads this part of bachitra natak, one concludes

that this line does not eulogise caste but says that caste is of no significance and God remmeberance is

supreme act.

This is what happens when such dummies who can chirp lfast are given an undue importance.

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In sri Guru Granth sahib we read

ਮਰਦਾਸ ਭਲੇ ਕਉ ਦੀਆ ॥

अमरदास भले कउ दीआ ॥

Amarḏās bẖale ka▫o ḏī▫ā.

which He passed on to Guru Amar Daas, of the Bhalla dynasty.

ਤਿਨਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਸੋਢੀ ਥਿਰੁ ਥਪ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ ॥

तिनि स्री रामदासु सोढी थिरु थप्यउ ॥

Ŧin sarī Rāmḏās sodẖī thir thap▫ya▫o.

Then, He firmly established the Great Raam Daas of the Sodhi dynasty.

ang 1401

Now dynasty of two Guru sahibans is mentioned.What is view of this fake dr udoke about this?

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In sri Guru Granth sahib we read

ਮਰਦਾਸ ਭਲੇ ਕਉ ਦੀਆ ॥

अमरदास भले कउ दीआ ॥

Amarḏās bẖale ka▫o ḏī▫ā.

which He passed on to Guru Amar Daas, of the Bhalla dynasty.

ਤਿਨਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਸੋਢੀ ਥਿਰੁ ਥਪ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ ॥

तिनि स्री रामदासु सोढी थिरु थप्यउ ॥

Ŧin sarī Rāmḏās sodẖī thir thap▫ya▫o.

Then, He firmly established the Great Raam Daas of the Sodhi dynasty.

ang 1401

Now dynasty of two Guru sahibans is mentioned.What is view of this fake dr udoke about this?

Dasam Granth is only the first step. After they have discarded Dasam Granth they will next target will be Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee. They will first start by doubting banis the Vaar of Satta and Balwand, then Batta de swaye, and Bhagat Banis and so one and so forth. Dr Udoke is like those Khalistani uncles in the west who have been influenced by the Kala Afghanis and have gone away from the Khalistan movement of Sant Bhindranwalay and the Shaheeds to the heretics side. Although Udoke is not as bad at the missionaries yet, as he does beleive in some Dasam Banis, but he is heading the wrong way. He needs to focus on his political theories instead of trying to act like a religious scholar by giving verdicts on religious matters.

I'll never understand why it is only in Sikhism where we have non religious, or political type people who have half or no knowledge of religion passing religious verdicts on religious matters. In any other religion it is always scholars who pass religious verdicts on religious matters. In a way it is our own fault that we give political people the respect of a religious scholar. We need to see people for what they are. Political people are political, not religious scholars.

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Dasam Granth is only the first step. After they have discarded Dasam Granth they will next target will be Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee. They will first start by doubting banis the Vaar of Satta and Balwand, then Batta de swaye, and Bhagat Banis and so one and so forth. Dr Udoke is like those Khalistani uncles in the west who have been influenced by the Kala Afghanis and have gone away from the Khalistan movement of Sant Bhindranwalay and the Shaheeds to the heretics side. Although Udoke is not as bad at the missionaries yet, as he does beleive in some Dasam Banis, but he is heading the wrong way. He needs to focus on his political theories instead of trying to act like a religious scholar by giving verdicts on religious matters.

I'll never understand why it is only in Sikhism where we have non religious, or political type people who have half or no knowledge of religion passing religious verdicts on religious matters. In any other religion it is always scholars who pass religious verdicts on religious matters. In a way it is our own fault that we give political people the respect of a religious scholar. We need to see people for what they are. Political people are political, not religious scholars.

Udoke says in this video that one should not comment on religious scripture like Dasam Granth sahib.Yet it is him who himself is doing that. He had no answer to the question. He was beating about bush.He is a maverick who will change his stand overnight just like he discarded his amrit after he put his foot on foreign soil first time.

Guru sahib's writings are word of God and no human should try to interpret those per his/her wisdom.

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Udoke says in this video that one should not comment on religious scripture like Dasam Granth sahib.Yet it is him who himself

is doing that. He had no answer to the question. He was beating about bush.He is a maverick who will change his stand overnight

just like he discarded his amrit after he put his foot on foreign soil first time.

Guru sahib's writings are word of God and no human should try to interpret those per his/her wisdom.

Yes thats also a valid point that he is going against what he said on this video.

Also, dont understand the discarded amrit part either??

Firstly the amrit was not 'his' as you have said. And 2ndly, I swear it can't be that easy to discard!!

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Yes thats also a valid point that he is going against what he said on this video.

Also, dont understand the discarded amrit part either??

Firstly the amrit was not 'his' as you have saidm. And 2ndly, I swear it can't be that easy to discard!!

Udoke was in the news along some other Gursikhs in early 2000s after kala afghana had written his books.

He wrote an article against Kala afghana and these gursikhs raised money and sent him abroad.

After setting his foot on foreign soil firs time he got dazzled.He considered his articles of khalsa faith as an

obstacle in becoming a modern sikh. So he removed his kirpan( sri sahib) and kachhehra.He was reprimanded

on return to india and those gursikhs disassociated themselves from udoke since then.

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Udoke was in the news along some other Gursikhs in early 2000s after kala afghana had written his books.

He wrote an article against Kala afghana and these gursikhs raised money and sent him abroad.

After setting his foot on foreign soil firs time he got dazzled.He considered his articles of khalsa faith as an

obstacle in becoming a modern sikh. So he removed his kirpan( sri sahib) and kachhehra.He was reprimanded

on return to india and those gursikhs disassociated themselves from udoke since then.

This is the first time I heard this. From what I have heard and seen, he was pretty motivational. He has done very good work against RSS. But before, I thought he was supporting all dasam granth. Unless he changed views suddenly... Not to argue, but how do you know he removed kirpan and kacchera? If so, thats a bit crazy!

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Udhoke is playing games on Sri Dasam Granth. Udhoke himself is a Kala-Afghani missionary.

The person asking him the questions quotes Udhoke as stating those verses in Sri Bachitar Natak are not Bani and were written afterwards.

As you can see, Udhoke doesn't even try to dispute that statement- this proves that he does NOT believe those verses are Bani, but at the same time he tries to state others should not criticize it.

On one hand he has already criticized Sri Dasam Bani, and on the other he is telling others not to do so.

This is so typical of this guy - all he wants is attention. He is not a Rahitvaan Sikh, he was kicked out of GURSIKH and Shahbaaz Khalsa Organizations for various reasons.

He has used the research on RSS done by other GurSikhs and unilaterally published the material and taken credit for everything himself.

He is a perfect for modern Khalistanis who like to scream about RSS all the time, but have a soft corner for naastics.

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All his bogey about rSS is a smoke screen.I read that he himself was in party of Rulda singh.

He removing his kakkars when sent abroad is sad but truthful news.

http://panthic.org/articles/2938

The filed complaints contain evidence of serious religious misconduct by Udhoke on his previous visit to Canada, including recordings of Udhoke in which he has denigrated Sri Akal Takht Sahib by referring to it in a vulgar and offensive manner.

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No matter how stupid udhoke might have been we have agree that the work done on rss is absolutley brilliant.

he's an eloquent speaker spoke about Dasm Granth only last week on the sikh channel - his response was that like the rehat maryada which took 15-18 years to establish there should be a proper debate on Dasm Granth with research- professionally - there is nothing wrong with this statement.

singhfauja states above:

"He has used the research on RSS done by other GurSikhs and unilaterally published the material and taken credit for everything himself."

well he came to my hometown and didnt want no credit and actually told people to stop givinig him money while he was speaking on stage and was crystal clear that was not his motive.

read his 6 books - all eye opener - but you need time and patience which a lot of these interenet warriors haven't got at all

and johnny mentions above:

Dr Udoke is like those Khalistani uncles in the west who have been influenced by the Kala Afghanis and have gone away from the Khalistan movement of Sant Bhindranwalay and the Shaheeds to the heretics side.

not at all mate you've got it all wrong if that is the case how comes he's bringing on a prograamme on the sikh channel soon on "the lost Generals".

you guys are totally twisted, what kind of work have you done to promote sikhe - "kesayy nooo baksh vee deyaa karoo mundiooo "

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Next time same will be said about sggs ji and then too we will have some ppl like in the video who will say proper debate need to be done regarding sggs ji and will have few fans here and there blindly to agree with that.

25 years ago, it would be outrageous for someone to call house of harmandir sahib bad names and probably dealt swiftly overnight by law of Sikh jathebandiya. Today, we have large number of our own people giving gold medals to such people who made the most degrading and worst comment about our holy place. This is how quickly our ppl change their color.

Kala afghana also wrote panthic books back in days and look where he is now....

Listen to the YouTube audio posted by a member; shows the character of the person we are talking about.

Also, pls note that there is big difference between human made rehit maryada and guru sahib jee's written bani.

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No matter how stupid udhoke might have been we have agree that the work done on rss is absolutley brilliant.

Most probably he himself is one of them.There are plenty hints in this regard.

he's an eloquent speaker spoke about Dasm Granth only last week on the sikh channel - his response was that like the rehat maryada which took 15-18 years to establish there should be a proper debate on Dasm Granth with research- professionally - there is nothing wrong with this statement

Sikh rehat maryada and dasam granth are two different issues. Dasam granth is bani of tenth master and it was read during amrit sanchar of 1699 and ever since forms part of Nitnem. There were some in 19th centruy who were not very sure about it and a sodhak committee was formed.They went through its compositions threadbare and concluded in 1871 that whole dasam granth was written by Guru Gobind singh ji. Does this so called scholar udoke not know this? What makes him to doubt dasam granth when he has not read it. On this issue he falls into category of heretics and he should be exposed since he has been identified.

well he came to my hometown and didnt want no credit and actually told people to stop givinig him money while he was speaking on stage and was crystal clear that was not his motive.

read his 6 books - all eye opener - but you need time and patience which a lot of these interenet warriors haven't got at all

Where is your home town and when he came there. he is also famous for using his name on others writings also.

you guys are totally twisted, what kind of work have you done to promote sikhe - "kesayy nooo baksh vee deyaa karoo mundiooo "

What type of sikhi this heretic promote? taking kakkars of khalsa out on setting foot on western soil. Did you not read this?

http://panthic.org/articles/2938

The filed complaints contain evidence of serious religious misconduct by Udhoke on his previous visit to Canada,

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Most probably he himself is one of them.There are plenty hints in this regard.

Sikh rehat maryada and dasam granth are two different issues. Dasam granth is bani of tenth master and it was read during amrit sanchar of 1699 and ever since forms part of Nitnem. There were some in 19th centruy who were not very sure about it and a sodhak committee was formed.They went through its compositions threadbare and concluded in 1871 that whole dasam granth was written by Guru Gobind singh ji. Does this so called scholar udoke not know this? What makes him to doubt dasam granth when he has not read it. On this issue he falls into category of heretics and he should be exposed since he has been identified.

who was part of the sodak committee please enlighten?

What type of sikhi this heretic promote? taking kakkars of khalsa out on setting foot on western soil. Did you not read this?

i read this - he took off his kakkars that's his downfall - but the work done on rss cannot be ignored veero , his works say nothing against sikhe if you read it all.

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i read this - he took off his kakkars that's his downfall - but the work done on rss cannot be ignored veero , his works say nothing against sikhe if you read it all.

Casting doubts on bani of founder of khalsa is definitely the greatest anti sikh act one can commit.It is balsphemy. The topic relates to that. Let us not sidetarck this issue.Does he know this or not that dasam granth has been standardized. Pl show him this

http://www.sridasamgranth.com/#/sodhak-committee-report/4527711437

With the beginning of the Singh Sabha movement in the late nineteenth century, scholars directed their attention toward the religious scriptures and Sikh history. The Gurmat Granth Parcharak Sabha Amritsar collected 32 copies of the Dasam Granth. After five years of deliberations in the second floor of Sri Akal Takht, Amritsar, these eminent scholars clarified the differences in the birs and published their report in 1897 A.D. In accordance with that report, the present form of the Dasam Granth came into existence. The banis included in it are as follows:

In the above report, Giani Sardul Singh—the scholar who was charged with writing the committee report—agreed that the whole Dasam Granth is written by Guru Gobind Singh, and all doubts were ended. Nevertheless, sometimes sceptical articles continued to be written. Replies were then given by Sikh scholars.

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Next time same will be said about sggs ji and then too we will have some ppl like in the video who will say proper debate need to be done regarding sggs ji and will have few fans here and there blindly to agree with that.

25 years ago, it would be outrageous for someone to call house of harmandir sahib bad names and probably dealt swiftly overnight by law of Sikh jathebandiya. Today, we have large number of our own people giving gold medals to such people who made the most degrading and worst comment about our holy place. This is how quickly our ppl change their color.

Kala afghana also wrote panthic books back in days and look where he is now....

Listen to the YouTube audio posted by a member; shows the character of the person we are talking about.

Also, pls note that there is big difference between human made rehit maryada and guru sahib jee's written bani.

human made -- it was panthic khalsa made mate no human made - all jathebandess were given their say in it. I agree dasm Granth is bani so it was wrong for me to join the two here for that i apologize.

but it's a known fact when he was asked recenttly on the channel on his views on dasm granth - it was to have a debate and to conclude once and for all on it.-- which is nothing bad is it???

Dasm Granth is bani - period -

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Casting doubts on bani of founder of khalsa is definitely the greatest anti sikh act one can commit.It is balsphemy. The topic relates to that. Let us not sidetarck this issue.Does he know this or not that dasam granth has been standardized. Pl show him this

http://www.sridasamg...port/4527711437

With the beginning of the Singh Sabha movement in the late nineteenth century, scholars directed their attention toward the religious scriptures and Sikh history. The Gurmat Granth Parcharak Sabha Amritsar collected 32 copies of the Dasam Granth. After five years of deliberations in the second floor of Sri Akal Takht, Amritsar, these eminent scholars clarified the differences in the birs and published their report in 1897 A.D. In accordance with that report, the present form of the Dasam Granth came into existence. The banis included in it are as follows:

In the above report, Giani Sardul Singh—the scholar who was charged with writing the committee report—agreed that the whole Dasam Granth is written by Guru Gobind Singh, and all doubts were ended. Nevertheless, sometimes sceptical articles continued to be written. Replies were then given by Sikh scholars.

GPS - many thanks will show without a doubt

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human made -- it was panthic khalsa made mate no human made - all jathebandess were given their say in it. I agree dasm Granth is bani so it was wrong for me to join the two here for that i apologize.

but it's a known fact when he was asked recenttly on the channel on his views on dasm granth - it was to have a debate and to conclude once and for all on it.-- which is nothing bad is it???

Dasm Granth is bani - period -

Bani of Gurus should not be subjected to academic scrutiny. Dasam granth is bani that make us into an organized religion and give us title singh. Anyone who cast doubt on it is categorized as heretic. Is there a reason why we should listen to a person for opening debate on dasam granth?

I have read dasam granth thoroughly.Each and every word of dasam granth is from Guru sahib.All verses are numbered and structure of dasam granth make it tamperproof. Please ask him to debate with me if he has any specific doubt. his interpretation of bachitra natak line is totally wrong. This line does not eulogize caste as he thinks.

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GPS - jeeo what you have in the uk is these people who have a tainted past - a decade ago - start up and do some great work - like he has done on RSS ? - which buys him airtime on the sikh channel- and he is still promoting great work like the lost generals and other stuff. the question on dasm granth was just rasied as he was talking about something else at the time to which he gave a good answer - this only last week.

secondly you have nang niddar singh and parmjit sing who have written a boook on Harimandar sahib - but these nangs we all know about are dodgy snaatan matt sikhs.- but hell they do know how to rape sikh people of money y doing some good work at the same time too: http://kashihouse.myshopify.com/products/the-golden-temple-of-amritsar-reflections-of-the-past-1808-1959

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Ks55, I agree with your points brother but I think personalities like uhdoke who got no basic knowledge about DG should not be speaking about it on tv channel. To me he is either seeking fame or simply was not aware of the host program details. Also, he was member of discussion forums and posted frequently before he went down and away from forums because of Toronto phone call scandal.

Point is don't become 'Die Hard' of anyone, no matter how good they sounds. History proves that we all were well known and most trusted people but now we are in dog eat dog world. We can't trust anyone !!

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