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#1 _singh_

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 12:13 AM

i am not but i do paath daily,i am doing this since a year(wake up at amritvela and do paath) but nothing special has happened,now i am bit confused with the existance please help me if you can,if god exist i dnt want to leave path,but if it does not i dnt want to spend whole life in confusion.
I was thinking about the existance of god and how we know that the god exist.
Following points come in my mind:-
1.if waheguru loves us then why makes us suffer in the pains of birth and death,if i loved some one i will never do to him.or does this mean waheguru dnt love us.
2.why they created so much vikars and obstacles in this world it just make more difficult to reach them do they simply want us to stuck here or we are just their toys(sorry for this)
3.according to sikhi,human life form is the only way to reach waheguru,does that means that there was no mukti when humans does not exist.also are the humans only the intelligent creatures ie no aliens
4.according to sikhi god created the time and space and does not comes under it that means god has knowledge of all the three,present,past,future that means everything is pre planed by them,so why we do paath other things to reach god,we will reach them when our time comes to reach them.then why we follow religion
5.god can do anything right
Can god kill themself
Can god create a thing which he can't create
Can god kill imortal souls
Can god create another god more powerfull than them
If god cannot do every thing then god has limits,and as gurbani say god has no limits

I dont want to offend any one i still do paath,but want a reason to continue

Sorry for every thing
Please comment
Please help me i also want to keep up sikhi

#2 _singhni_

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 08:40 AM

Singh how do you know nothing special has happened? The power of paat is something we can't describe especially as we don't know how much our daily nitem changes our daily routines/happenings.

Your post hits out a big thing which is this: singh je remember that Gurbani tells us Sukh and Dukh are one. Put it this way: our parents wouldn't want to see us "suffer" same way Guru Mahraji doesn't want to see us "suffer" hence why in reality we don't suffer pain etc. Instead its our minds playing games with us. Keep in mind always that sukh and dukh is one; happiness and sorrow are one. A very dull example is death. Look at it this way when someone dies we generally feel upset/pain due to loss of a friend/someone. But really death is just another ceremony we must go through and (this bit is a personal belief) those who die are been saved by Vaheguru je himself from the dirt this world is fast becoming. Whereas we are still getting burnt in fire day and night. Also never forget the power of Gurbani. We don't know ourselves but the paat we do does have a great impact on us. For example look at how many ardaasa and chapuai sahib paats the panth did for the chalidkala of the panth during bhai balwant singh ji's fansi protests etc. Every single ardas every single chapuai sahib paat strengthened the panth and continues to do so. Sorry if I have said anything wrong guru pyareo. Akaaaal
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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:05 AM

Khalsa Ji

As humans we are God , i.e. eternal bliss where there is no suffering no pain just total unadulterated pleasure.

Owing to the creator's game we have fallen under the spell of maya and as such endure suffering. In order to get back to our real self one must follow the Gurmat path:


<a class="dict" href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਤ">ਕਰਤਿ ਕਰਮ ਕੇ ਵੀਛੁੜੇ ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਮੇਲਹੁ ਰਾਮ




Kiraṯ karam ke vīcẖẖuṛe kar kirpā melhu rām.

By the actions we have committed, we are separated from You. Please show Your Mercy, and unite us with Yourself, Lord.
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http://mokhamsingh.blogspot.com/ {English Translations}

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#4 _singh_

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:49 AM

pata nai yaar raab hai ke nai mei ki nahi kita rab vaste.mei sirf raab nu hi apna manaya si,menu kadi apne maa,baap ya kise hor da pyar ni mileya.baas har vakat eh hi suneya ki mei hi bura va.jaado mei paath nahi si karda ta mei socheya ki kise nu parva nai meri,mei sucide karan di sochi si,phir mei socheya ki je mei kise hor da na ban sakeya ta guru da hi ban java.mei kai vari kine-kine der ro ro ke raab nu yaad kita.par kugh vi nahi hoya.mei eh keh ke chup kar janda kei meri yaad vich ki koi ghat hai.mei raab nu apna saab kugh maneya si.mei ta eh vi ardas kiti ki guru paave menu kugh vi naa do,pave mukti vi na do par ik vari menu darshan do ya apni presence feel kara do.ehdi to vaad mei hun ki kara.menu eh nai pata ki raab hai ya nai,par jekar raab hai vi ta oh mera darad te pyaar nai samaj paya.menu hun parva hi nai ki mera ki banega.ki mei joona vich java ya narka vich hun koi farak nai penda.hun mei koshis kara ga ki apne vaste jeeva apne aap na payar kara.nal ik aakhri gal jekar mei raab di jaga hunda ta kadi vi apne pyar nu dukhi na hone dinda.ik hor chees ho sakda ki guru ne mere vaste bahut kugh kita,te hun raab vich yakeen na rakh ke mei akritghan ban reh.jis nal mei dharti te boohj va.tusi es nu par ke apani life na kharab karo.
Baaki rai meri gal ta jo vi hoye ga dehki jaygi
I am now leaving this thing
If wish good luck for u.
Jekr aaj to baad mei paath vi karaga ta siraf tade layi kara ga.
Remember me :'/

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:35 PM

There is a god, that is why we are here.

main vi is traa sochdi hundi c, ke rab nai hai, kuch hunda kio nai, ina paat kardi, eh woh, rab kio nai sundeh. hun vi kehi vari kendi hundi ke rab kiteh hai, jad ini duki hoo.
Paji waheguru ji hege, je naa hunde twanu kich nai peni c is site teh aundi teh apne feelings dasan di.
tusi bureh nai hai, u are not bad, circumstances make us think we are bad. insaan de halaat jo hunde us nal asi apne aapnu maada samjan lag pende.

kise di banan di lorh nai, waheguru da bano, te Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji nu mano. Maharaj ji apay twanu apna banalende jad asi usnu yaad rakugeh.
kehi vari lagda sanu keh rab sundeh nai, par sianeh kende neh, "Rab de ghar deharh hai, andehr nai".
This means is sometimes takes time for waheguru to gift us with something, and remember it is not always that they should gift us with khushian and sukh. The dukh we receive is part of our karm, which we should accept. Once we start accepting our karms, then waheguru will do mehar on us.

There are people that have waited long long time for waheguru's blessings. i have waited over 15yrs for something, maybe almost 20, but have realised that my karms play a big part in my dukh.
All we can do is keep doing ardas and I feel when i stop asking, there is less tension on myself, and waheguru's name seems so sweet, that i do not want to ask for anything. There are lots of bhagats and people that do paat day and night and for years, so i think to myself, why should waheguru give something to me, when those people are happy with what they have. They live in waheguru's hukam, and i have also started accepting that, when we realise to keep in their hukam, then only will life be less stressful on us. Its not easy, but we should not give up, if you knew exactly how dukhi i was, u wouldnt believe.

Its brothers and sisters from this forum that give me support now and have from the beginning. to be honest without this forum, i would have been much a worser state.

Please do not get depressed, if you eve want to talk, dont be afraid, its good to talk our problems to others who will listen, as they are also sent by waheguru.
See waheguru does exist, as everybody that has read your post, are sent by god to help you.

i feel we shouldnt be asking god for their darshan, god doesnt give darshan on demands. they give darshan when u least expect it. Mangna chad deo, fikar na karo, rab twanu darshan dinde ke nai, rab sareh pase hai. physical darshan di lorh nai. Je tusi darshan lene rab de, gurdware jao, Maharaj ji moreh matha teko, te apay darshan miljande, othe twanu darshan milugeh, hor kitho nai.
Maharaj de kol bhetke darbar sahib ch paat suno jad granthi karde, te samjo ke waheguru tade nal bolde. That is the real darshan. and jo tusi amritvele utde hai, darshan miljande, twanu ki pata waheguru tade nal nai bhete hunde? jad tusi paat karde odo rab de darshan milde, kio ke jo gurbani vich hai, oh sab rab tho, waheguru, akaal purakh, sache paatshah tho gurbani ayi hai direct.

tusi dharti te bauj nai, je ida hunda, fir asi sareh dharti te bauj haa. dharti teh bauj koi ni hunda, sirf sade halaat, jo dukh zindagi ch milda, us nal sanu mehsoos hunda asi bauj hai kio ke sade control ch nai hunda kuch. jad sanu confidence hundi, te apne te yakeen hunda fir asi bauj nai samjde fir zindagi changi lagdi.

Dont worry we will remember you, but dont leave paat. without paat, ur life is nothing. je paat karna te kuch mangan nu naa karo. apna farz samjke kari jaoo. zaruri ni hunda ke paat kuch paun nu jaa ke koi cheej le karna penda.

veko kine amritdhari brothers and sisters hai, jo paat karde duty samajke. Matlab le paat kade ni karna chidaa...kio ke sab kuch pela hi waheguru da hai, te una di marzi hai jo una ne sanu dena te ki nai dena. isliye we are the beggars and they are the givers. Asi hai mangte, te waheguru hai daata.

Waheguru....

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 07:00 PM

Veerji.. Try listening to Katha by sant jarnail Singh ji, sant kartar Singh ji and sant gurbachan Singh ji bhindrawale. Maybe the reason for you thinking that you've done path and haven't felt anything difference, could possibly be that you haven't understood what gurbani may be saying? Katha will strongly help you understand the 'arth' of gurbani and relate to real life situations and Kirtan will definatly help keep your Mann shaant:)

Jee ki birtha hoye so gur peh ardas kar
When your soul is feeling sad, offer your prayers to guru ji:)

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 08:14 PM

maybe you are right,par mei aapne bare kise dasa pata nai mei kiho jeha pagal hai.mera mind thori thori der baad change ho janda.kadi ta eh lagad ki waheguru ki meri care karde te sirf mei una vaaste hi life jeeva,par kadi mera mind pura ulta feel karda te mei eh keh dina ki waheguru hai hi nai,parso raat nu mei eh keh reha si ki raab nai hai phir kal saveer nu mafi mag leha si phir pata ni ki ho gaya raat nu phir kehn laga ki waheguru nai hai,te phir hun taadi post par ke eh lagda ki maafi manga.par hun ta eh ik pakhand hi ban gaya.problem mei aap hai :(

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:38 AM

Veerji guru Sahib warga koi nahi hai. He undertands and feels your pain.. he wants you to realise he is there! Guru sahjb tests us in life to see how much bharosa we have in him. And this maybe your test. I strongly urge you to listen to Katha...please do.. It will totally help!.. Start with giani thakur Singh jis Katha.. (its usually more basic and easier to understand). Guru ji is closer to us than our own hands.. We just dont seem to understand. Guru Sahib is the ultimate forgiver.. He will totally forgive you even if you did say that you don't believe in him. We think our mother is forgiving... Guru Sahib is just beyond words!!:D

Terai bharosai pyaare main laad ladeya

Bhoolai chukai barak tu har pita maeya

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 04:46 AM

i always listen to shabads in the morning and every night i do paat and my soul feels relaxed , sometimes when i think it dosen't work i remember that no matter what happens the guru is with you meaning all of us , through happy and sad times and we should thank him for the wonderful life he has given us and we should never stop appreciating for what he has done , when i say my guru's name , i know that he will be with me and keep me happy for as long as i live , sabh to baddha , sata guru nanak dev ji

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:17 PM

God is a spirit that you need to connect with to take your spirituality to a higher level.



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