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i am not but i do paath daily,i am doing this since a year(wake up at amritvela and do paath) but nothing special has happened,now i am bit confused with the existance please help me if you can,if god exist i dnt want to leave path,but if it does not i dnt want to spend whole life in confusion.

I was thinking about the existance of god and how we know that the god exist.

Following points come in my mind:-

1.if waheguru loves us then why makes us suffer in the pains of birth and death,if i loved some one i will never do to him.or does this mean waheguru dnt love us.

2.why they created so much vikars and obstacles in this world it just make more difficult to reach them do they simply want us to stuck here or we are just their toys(sorry for this)

3.according to sikhi,human life form is the only way to reach waheguru,does that means that there was no mukti when humans does not exist.also are the humans only the intelligent creatures ie no aliens

4.according to sikhi god created the time and space and does not comes under it that means god has knowledge of all the three,present,past,future that means everything is pre planed by them,so why we do paath other things to reach god,we will reach them when our time comes to reach them.then why we follow religion

5.god can do anything right

Can god kill themself

Can god create a thing which he can't create

Can god kill imortal souls

Can god create another god more powerfull than them

If god cannot do every thing then god has limits,and as gurbani say god has no limits

I dont want to offend any one i still do paath,but want a reason to continue

Sorry for every thing

Please comment

Please help me i also want to keep up sikhi

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Singh how do you know nothing special has happened? The power of paat is something we can't describe especially as we don't know how much our daily nitem changes our daily routines/happenings.

Your post hits out a big thing which is this: singh je remember that Gurbani tells us Sukh and Dukh are one. Put it this way: our parents wouldn't want to see us "suffer" same way Guru Mahraji doesn't want to see us "suffer" hence why in reality we don't suffer pain etc. Instead its our minds playing games with us. Keep in mind always that sukh and dukh is one; happiness and sorrow are one. A very dull example is death. Look at it this way when someone dies we generally feel upset/pain due to loss of a friend/someone. But really death is just another ceremony we must go through and (this bit is a personal belief) those who die are been saved by Vaheguru je himself from the dirt this world is fast becoming. Whereas we are still getting burnt in fire day and night. Also never forget the power of Gurbani. We don't know ourselves but the paat we do does have a great impact on us. For example look at how many ardaasa and chapuai sahib paats the panth did for the chalidkala of the panth during bhai balwant singh ji's fansi protests etc. Every single ardas every single chapuai sahib paat strengthened the panth and continues to do so. Sorry if I have said anything wrong guru pyareo. Akaaaal

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Khalsa Ji

As humans we are God , i.e. eternal bliss where there is no suffering no pain just total unadulterated pleasure.

Owing to the creator's game we have fallen under the spell of maya and as such endure suffering. In order to get back to our real self one must follow the Gurmat path:

<a class="dict" href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਿਰਤਿ">ਕਿਰਤਿ ਕਰਮ ਕੇ ਵੀਛੁੜੇ ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਮੇਲਹੁ ਰਾਮ

Kiraṯ karam ke vīcẖẖuṛe kar kirpā melhu rām.

By the actions we have committed, we are separated from You. Please show Your Mercy, and unite us with Yourself, Lord.

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pata nai yaar raab hai ke nai mei ki nahi kita rab vaste.mei sirf raab nu hi apna manaya si,menu kadi apne maa,baap ya kise hor da pyar ni mileya.baas har vakat eh hi suneya ki mei hi bura va.jaado mei paath nahi si karda ta mei socheya ki kise nu parva nai meri,mei sucide karan di sochi si,phir mei socheya ki je mei kise hor da na ban sakeya ta guru da hi ban java.mei kai vari kine-kine der ro ro ke raab nu yaad kita.par kugh vi nahi hoya.mei eh keh ke chup kar janda kei meri yaad vich ki koi ghat hai.mei raab nu apna saab kugh maneya si.mei ta eh vi ardas kiti ki guru paave menu kugh vi naa do,pave mukti vi na do par ik vari menu darshan do ya apni presence feel kara do.ehdi to vaad mei hun ki kara.menu eh nai pata ki raab hai ya nai,par jekar raab hai vi ta oh mera darad te pyaar nai samaj paya.menu hun parva hi nai ki mera ki banega.ki mei joona vich java ya narka vich hun koi farak nai penda.hun mei koshis kara ga ki apne vaste jeeva apne aap na payar kara.nal ik aakhri gal jekar mei raab di jaga hunda ta kadi vi apne pyar nu dukhi na hone dinda.ik hor chees ho sakda ki guru ne mere vaste bahut kugh kita,te hun raab vich yakeen na rakh ke mei akritghan ban reh.jis nal mei dharti te boohj va.tusi es nu par ke apani life na kharab karo.

Baaki rai meri gal ta jo vi hoye ga dehki jaygi

I am now leaving this thing

If wish good luck for u.

Jekr aaj to baad mei paath vi karaga ta siraf tade layi kara ga.

Remember me :'/

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There is a god, that is why we are here.

main vi is traa sochdi hundi c, ke rab nai hai, kuch hunda kio nai, ina paat kardi, eh woh, rab kio nai sundeh. hun vi kehi vari kendi hundi ke rab kiteh hai, jad ini duki hoo.

Paji waheguru ji hege, je naa hunde twanu kich nai peni c is site teh aundi teh apne feelings dasan di.

tusi bureh nai hai, u are not bad, circumstances make us think we are bad. insaan de halaat jo hunde us nal asi apne aapnu maada samjan lag pende.

kise di banan di lorh nai, waheguru da bano, te Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji nu mano. Maharaj ji apay twanu apna banalende jad asi usnu yaad rakugeh.

kehi vari lagda sanu keh rab sundeh nai, par sianeh kende neh, "Rab de ghar deharh hai, andehr nai".

This means is sometimes takes time for waheguru to gift us with something, and remember it is not always that they should gift us with khushian and sukh. The dukh we receive is part of our karm, which we should accept. Once we start accepting our karms, then waheguru will do mehar on us.

There are people that have waited long long time for waheguru's blessings. i have waited over 15yrs for something, maybe almost 20, but have realised that my karms play a big part in my dukh.

All we can do is keep doing ardas and I feel when i stop asking, there is less tension on myself, and waheguru's name seems so sweet, that i do not want to ask for anything. There are lots of bhagats and people that do paat day and night and for years, so i think to myself, why should waheguru give something to me, when those people are happy with what they have. They live in waheguru's hukam, and i have also started accepting that, when we realise to keep in their hukam, then only will life be less stressful on us. Its not easy, but we should not give up, if you knew exactly how dukhi i was, u wouldnt believe.

Its brothers and sisters from this forum that give me support now and have from the beginning. to be honest without this forum, i would have been much a worser state.

Please do not get depressed, if you eve want to talk, dont be afraid, its good to talk our problems to others who will listen, as they are also sent by waheguru.

See waheguru does exist, as everybody that has read your post, are sent by god to help you.

i feel we shouldnt be asking god for their darshan, god doesnt give darshan on demands. they give darshan when u least expect it. Mangna chad deo, fikar na karo, rab twanu darshan dinde ke nai, rab sareh pase hai. physical darshan di lorh nai. Je tusi darshan lene rab de, gurdware jao, Maharaj ji moreh matha teko, te apay darshan miljande, othe twanu darshan milugeh, hor kitho nai.

Maharaj de kol bhetke darbar sahib ch paat suno jad granthi karde, te samjo ke waheguru tade nal bolde. That is the real darshan. and jo tusi amritvele utde hai, darshan miljande, twanu ki pata waheguru tade nal nai bhete hunde? jad tusi paat karde odo rab de darshan milde, kio ke jo gurbani vich hai, oh sab rab tho, waheguru, akaal purakh, sache paatshah tho gurbani ayi hai direct.

tusi dharti te bauj nai, je ida hunda, fir asi sareh dharti te bauj haa. dharti teh bauj koi ni hunda, sirf sade halaat, jo dukh zindagi ch milda, us nal sanu mehsoos hunda asi bauj hai kio ke sade control ch nai hunda kuch. jad sanu confidence hundi, te apne te yakeen hunda fir asi bauj nai samjde fir zindagi changi lagdi.

Dont worry we will remember you, but dont leave paat. without paat, ur life is nothing. je paat karna te kuch mangan nu naa karo. apna farz samjke kari jaoo. zaruri ni hunda ke paat kuch paun nu jaa ke koi cheej le karna penda.

veko kine amritdhari brothers and sisters hai, jo paat karde duty samajke. Matlab le paat kade ni karna chidaa...kio ke sab kuch pela hi waheguru da hai, te una di marzi hai jo una ne sanu dena te ki nai dena. isliye we are the beggars and they are the givers. Asi hai mangte, te waheguru hai daata.

Waheguru....

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Veerji.. Try listening to Katha by sant jarnail Singh ji, sant kartar Singh ji and sant gurbachan Singh ji bhindrawale. Maybe the reason for you thinking that you've done path and haven't felt anything difference, could possibly be that you haven't understood what gurbani may be saying? Katha will strongly help you understand the 'arth' of gurbani and relate to real life situations and Kirtan will definatly help keep your Mann shaant:)

Jee ki birtha hoye so gur peh ardas kar

When your soul is feeling sad, offer your prayers to guru ji:)

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maybe you are right,par mei aapne bare kise dasa pata nai mei kiho jeha pagal hai.mera mind thori thori der baad change ho janda.kadi ta eh lagad ki waheguru ki meri care karde te sirf mei una vaaste hi life jeeva,par kadi mera mind pura ulta feel karda te mei eh keh dina ki waheguru hai hi nai,parso raat nu mei eh keh reha si ki raab nai hai phir kal saveer nu mafi mag leha si phir pata ni ki ho gaya raat nu phir kehn laga ki waheguru nai hai,te phir hun taadi post par ke eh lagda ki maafi manga.par hun ta eh ik pakhand hi ban gaya.problem mei aap hai :(

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Veerji guru Sahib warga koi nahi hai. He undertands and feels your pain.. he wants you to realise he is there! Guru sahjb tests us in life to see how much bharosa we have in him. And this maybe your test. I strongly urge you to listen to Katha...please do.. It will totally help!.. Start with giani thakur Singh jis Katha.. (its usually more basic and easier to understand). Guru ji is closer to us than our own hands.. We just dont seem to understand. Guru Sahib is the ultimate forgiver.. He will totally forgive you even if you did say that you don't believe in him. We think our mother is forgiving... Guru Sahib is just beyond words!!:D

Terai bharosai pyaare main laad ladeya

Bhoolai chukai barak tu har pita maeya

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i always listen to shabads in the morning and every night i do paat and my soul feels relaxed , sometimes when i think it dosen't work i remember that no matter what happens the guru is with you meaning all of us , through happy and sad times and we should thank him for the wonderful life he has given us and we should never stop appreciating for what he has done , when i say my guru's name , i know that he will be with me and keep me happy for as long as i live , sabh to baddha , sata guru nanak dev ji

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i am not but i do paath daily,i am doing this since a year(wake up at amritvela and do paath) but nothing special has happened,now i am bit confused with the existance please help me if you can,if god exist i dnt want to leave path,but if it does not i dnt want to spend whole life in confusion.

I was thinking about the existance of god and how we know that the god exist.

Following points come in my mind:-

1.if waheguru loves us then why makes us suffer in the pains of birth and death,if i loved some one i will never do to him.or does this mean waheguru dnt love us.

2.why they created so much vikars and obstacles in this world it just make more difficult to reach them do they simply want us to stuck here or we are just their toys(sorry for this)

3.according to sikhi,human life form is the only way to reach waheguru,does that means that there was no mukti when humans does not exist.also are the humans only the intelligent creatures ie no aliens

4.according to sikhi god created the time and space and does not comes under it that means god has knowledge of all the three,present,past,future that means everything is pre planed by them,so why we do paath other things to reach god,we will reach them when our time comes to reach them.then why we follow religion

5.god can do anything right

Can god kill themself

Can god create a thing which he can't create

Can god kill imortal souls

Can god create another god more powerfull than them

If god cannot do every thing then god has limits,and as gurbani say god has no limits

I dont want to offend any one i still do paath,but want a reason to continue

Sorry for every thing

Please comment

Please help me i also want to keep up sikhi

it will take years for something special to happen

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1. Birth and death are all about you and your ego, you should praise god every moment to go 'beyond.'

2. There is no such thing as an obstacle. All 'obstacles' are defined in perspective. All 'obstacles' are really just events. All 'obstacles' have good and bad qualities.

3. I am not to sure about this one apart from it meaning that there is literally a possibility to join with god from the human life.

4. Religion is usually a praise of god.

5. 'He' probably could do the things you mentioned but doesn't want to do them.

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i am not but i do paath daily,i am doing this since a year(wake up at amritvela and do paath) but nothing special has happened,now i am bit confused with the existance please help me if you can,if god exist i dnt want to leave path,but if it does not i dnt want to spend whole life in confusion.

I was thinking about the existance of god and how we know that the god exist.

Following points come in my mind:-

1.if waheguru loves us then why makes us suffer in the pains of birth and death,if i loved some one i will never do to him.or does this mean waheguru dnt love us.

Everything Satnaam ji does is for our betterment. He teaching us lessons and communicating with us every minute, we are the sinners who choose to ignore Him- we turn our backs on Him, it is never the other way round for He is here right in front of us literally staring us in the face.

Everyone, everything you see and everything you don't is God. He does everything, we are just puppets in his wonderful beautiful khel- He is us and we are Him..

He Himself sat for many many ages to discover that He is Sat- Truth. Every moment He is giving us the opperunity every moment to discover the same and to live the Truth. We do not complain that we haven't had darshans or flown around different realms on golden pelicans- that is not the aim of life- that is still maya(illusion which is everything in image and within the 6 senses.).

The Truth is Nothing- It is so simple and humble- it has no image, no form, is infinite, fearless and All loving- it is a frequency of Nothingness beyond what maya dwellers can comprehend.

We have darshan of Him as our mothers and fathers, our friends, our slanderers and tormentors. Whether He comes to us as our lover, competitor or obstacle, we simply say, 'God I can see you'- Bas tuhee tu.

2.why they created so much vikars and obstacles in this world it just make more difficult to reach them do they simply want us to stuck here or we are just their toys(sorry for this)

We are God's most beloved. What He discovered after many ages was the master- a Psychology called Truth(=Nothing). When He discovered it, He applied it, he lived it and lives it to this day- Hence, He Is it.

Now it's our turn- think about it- He Loves us so much that he has given us the oppertunity to discover what He did- He has given us the most priceless gift- so amazingly beautiful that we cannot even comprehend it's beauty..

When he beats us, he beats us back towards this gift, He doesn't feed us dukhi because He hates us, He does it because He Loves us. When we fools decide to run back to maya and are fed dukh, we turn back to Him. He has devised this khel for us- our lives, each individual story of ours, because he loves us. Without Him living Truth, the whole game shuts down.

We are only set free if we truly deserve it, we must prove that we can apply truth throughout our lives, throughout anything.

We never tell a lie, not even a white lie- We Speak Truth, Deliver Truth, Serve Truth, Die Truth. We apply the gyan of gurbani 24/7 as we keep moving along the path..

We always keep to the gurbani laws of Nirboah and Nirvair- recognsing Him as everything and fearlessly accepting Him no matter how controversial He may appear(how much he may beat us in one of his many costumes).

3.according to sikhi,human life form is the only way to reach waheguru,does that means that there was no mukti when humans does not exist.also are the humans only the intelligent creatures ie no aliens

Aliens exist. Human janam on earth is our chance to gain jivan mukhti- Even Gods and goddesses are incarnated on earth for this opportunity- it is a priceless jewel to be born as human into this test world.

4.according to sikhi god created the time and space and does not comes under it that means god has knowledge of all the three,present,past,future that means everything is pre planed by them,so why we do paath other things to reach god,we will reach them when our time comes to reach them.then why we follow religion

You're applying too much logic- Gurbani doesn't say do a whole load of path. The gyan in Guru Granth Sahib- Gurbani- is Guru. We read what He teaches us, then we apply what we've been taught throughout our natural life.

Gurbani says to do bhagti- your questions are answered from within when you deserve to know the answers. Hukam is master and is Truth. What God does does not always make sense to our minds- it is only once we rid ourselves of our identities(ego) that our mind is eradicated, as are the 5 theives. Then we are beyond the wordly constraints of logic and only live our infinite true hearts (which are the entire creation and beyond- our heart is His heart) and begin to understand why our stories are written the way they are- and we are able to accept hukam as perfect, as Truth, as Him.

Relax and listen to the frequency of silence/Truth(Anhad naad). Anhad naad is naam- it is symbolic reflection of silence- of the Truth of Nothingness- for even sound is illusion. Satnaam- Truth is His name.

The key is to let go and let the samadhi take you over. Once we do this, we begin to understand the world around us. God is in 24 hr samadhi- he is still learning. The discoveries are infinite but the perfection of the heart is within reach.

5.god can do anything right

Can god kill themself

God is already dead- he recognised himself to be nothing- hence he is beyond births and deaths.

Can god create a thing which he can't create

There is Nothing He can't do.

Can god kill imortal souls

A truly immortal soul is a jivan mukht- one who is beyond births and deaths- in light of this, what would there be to kill..

Can god create another god more powerfull than them

God is the lowest of the low- He has become Nothing. That is the highest power.

If god cannot do every thing then god has limits,and as gurbani say god has no limits

God has no limits, He is infinite and All powerful.

I dont want to offend any one i still do paath,but want a reason to continue

What reason is there to stay in maya when she ultimately teaches us how to ruin ourselves? It's either Truth or Maya.

Sorry for every thing

Please comment

Please help me i also want to keep up sikhi

God bless you

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"2.why they created so much vikars and obstacles in this world it just make more difficult to reach them do they simply want us to stuck here or we are just their toys(sorry for this)

We are God's most beloved. What He discovered after many ages was the master- a Psychology called Truth(=Nothing). When He discovered it, He applied it, he lived it and lives it to this day- Hence, He Is it.

Now it's our turn- think about it- He Loves us so much that he has given us the oppertunity to discover what He did- He has given us the most priceless gift- so amazingly beautiful that we cannot even comprehend it's beauty..

When he beats us, he beats us back towards this gift, He doesn't feed us dukhi because He hates us, He does it because He Loves us. When we fools decide to run back to maya and are fed dukh, we turn back to Him. He has devised this khel for us- our lives, each individual story of ours, because he loves us. Without Him living Truth, the whole game shuts down.

We are only set free if we truly deserve it, we must prove that we can apply truth throughout our lives, throughout anything.

We never tell a lie, not even a white lie- We Speak Truth, Deliver Truth, Serve Truth, Die Truth. We apply the gyan of gurbani 24/7 as we keep moving along the path..

We always keep to the gurbani laws of Nirboah and Nirvair- recognsing Him as everything and fearlessly accepting Him no matter how controversial He may appear(how much he may beat us in one of his many costumes)."

What I don't understand is if waheguru loves us why is it unfortunate kids being born in the world who don't have a fighting chance. They are born with diseases why if there past karma are so bad they have no chance to redeem. Like the image comes to mind of Africa but this happens in our motherland of Punjab and all over the subcontinent. They live a horrible existance and die even before they can do anything like pray or good deeds. I'm a parent and i would never ever want a child to go through pain so as we are all waheguru ji s why does this happen that a new born ok there past karma I don't know but in this life they suffer so much and die before even being given the chance to redeem themselves. WHY ? Please I need to know this answer from Sikhism perspective .

Are the parents being punished or it can't be the baby as they have not even had a chance to do bad in this life?

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What I don't understand is if waheguru loves us why is it unfortunate kids being born in the world who don't have a fighting chance. They are born with diseases why if there past karma are so bad they have no chance to redeem. Like the image comes to mind of Africa but this happens in our motherland of Punjab and all over the subcontinent. They live a horrible existance and die even before they can do anything like pray or good deeds. I'm a parent and i would never ever want a child to go through pain so as we are all waheguru ji s why does this happen that a new born ok there past karma I don't know but in this life they suffer so much and die before even being given the chance to redeem themselves. WHY ? Please I need to know this answer from Sikhism perspective .

Are the parents being punished or it can't be the baby as they have not even had a chance to do bad in this life?

During the Guru's times, little children and newborn babies were being cut apart and strung into necklaces- their mothers were forced to wear them around their necks..

Think of it this way... Some of those children may have committed rape in their past lives, or slandered/ tortured and killed a saint, committed mass murder as an evil emporer or worse.. They may have revelled in and become too attached to worldly pleasures(worldly sukh or maya) which the Gurus describe as poison- as a disease- and hence forgotten God. Them not remembering is part of their karam- their parents suffering is part of the parents karam.

No matter what happens to us- we Always deserve what we get- there is always a reason for every single thing that happens to us.

The reason they don't get a chance to redeem themselves in a janam is also part of their karam. When a child dies in this way, a huge part of their bad karams(result of past misdeeds) is washed away. The more dukhi we are fed, the more our karams are washed away. Even the Bhagats went through a huge amount of pain both physically and spiritually(when negativity hits a bhagat- it is a most uncomfortable feeling).

When we finally truly detach from worldly sukh- (recognising the fact that the more sukh we live- we get an equal amount of dukh-and we therefore stop craving sukh), we wash the remaining karams of dukh by living in the balance and are finally set free(jivan mukht). Only when we begin to see pleasure and pain as One(as God- pleasure plus pain= the whole=Balance=God ) do we get freed of the vicious cycle of wordly dukh and sukh- of births and deaths- of positive and negative. When we Recognise God in All- in the light and the dark- in the happiness and sadness- then we are psychologically sound in Truth.

Become dead while alive. Finally recognise this priceless life, gifted to us after millions of janams for what it is- a Test. It is a game to discover the Truth- a priceless gift that other lifeforms scream to have. In this janam- we must die whilst alive- to have no desires, no complaints- but to recognise All as perfect- as Hukam and as Truth, as our Beloved- as our Gurus did while being burned alive on hotplates and with boiling water- like Jesus did while being nailed alive to a cross.

Nirboah and Nirvair means a Fearless Love. That is True, unconditional Love without bargaining.

Truly embark on the path of bhagti- for we must not just read gyan- that is like reading a recipe but not making anything. We must apply it throughout our natural lives- we must Live the gyan of Gurbani, and by living it, Become It like the Gurus and true bhagats before us did..

Only then will we truly understand what the Gurus have taught us for we would have experienced it for ourselves.

God bless you

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During the Guru's times, little children and newborn babies were being cut apart and strung into necklaces- their mothers were forced to wear them around their necks..

Think of it this way... Some of those children may have committed rape in their past lives, or slandered/ tortured and killed a saint, committed mass murder as an evil emporer or worse.. They may have revelled in and become too attached to worldly pleasures(worldly sukh or maya) which the Gurus describe as poison- as a disease- and hence forgotten God. Them not remembering is part of their karam- their parents suffering is part of the parents karam.

No matter what happens to us- we Always deserve what we get- there is always a reason for every single thing that happens to us.

The reason they don't get a chance to redeem themselves in a janam is also part of their karam. When a child dies in this way, a huge part of their bad karams(result of past misdeeds) is washed away. The more dukhi we are fed, the more our karams are washed away. Even the Bhagats went through a huge amount of pain both physically and spiritually(when negativity hits a bhagat- it is a most uncomfortable feeling).

When we finally truly detach from worldly sukh- (recognising the fact that the more sukh we live- we get an equal amount of dukh-and we therefore stop craving sukh), we wash the remaining karams of dukh by living in the balance and are finally set free(jivan mukht). Only when we begin to see pleasure and pain as One(as God- pleasure plus pain= the whole=Balance=God ) do we get freed of the vicious cycle of wordly dukh and sukh- of births and deaths- of positive and negative. When we Recognise God in All- in the light and the dark- in the happiness and sadness- then we are psychologically sound in Truth.

Become dead while alive. Finally recognise this priceless life, gifted to us after millions of janams for what it is- a Test. It is a game to discover the Truth- a priceless gift that other lifeforms scream to have. In this janam- we must die whilst alive- to have no desires, no complaints- but to recognise All as perfect- as Hukam and as Truth, as our Beloved- as our Gurus did while being burned alive on hotplates and with boiling water- like Jesus did while being nailed alive to a cross.

Nirboah and Nirvair means a Fearless Love. That is True, unconditional Love without bargaining.

Truly embark on the path of bhagti- for we must not just read gyan- that is like reading a recipe but not making anything. We must apply it throughout our natural lives- we must Live the gyan of Gurbani, and by living it, Become It like the Gurus and true bhagats before us did..

Only then will we truly understand what the Gurus have taught us for we would have experienced it for ourselves.

God bless you

Try telling that to a parent who has lost a new born it makes you feel even worse. Why if god is all loving does he make us suffer. No matter how evil someone is the majority of the time they spare babies. Why does god not give little ones a chance what's the purpose of only being alive for a couple of days I mean how is that washing away sins by having to battle your way through such a short life? That is just evil sorry if I offend but that's what I feel.

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The main point of bhagti is to learn and live the gyan that all is one. You are seeing pain as a bad thing- but pain is what made me truly believe in God. Worldly knowledge and the mind is eradicated once we accept that dukh is sukh and sukh is dukh. The mind cannot fathom such a concept as we have been programmed by maya to believe otherwise.

The heart is where the bhagat lives- and the heart is beyond logic(the mind). You Percieve the fact that a baby washing off their misdeeds in dukhi is heartless- whereas If the devil had his way, none of us would ever wash our karams and become jivan mukht- we would carry around the weight of illusion and darkness for eternity.

As a Sikh who trust on god as opposed to the devil(for there is no in between) you should acce

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The main point of bhagti is to learn, accept and live the gyan that all is one. You are seeing pain as a bad thing- but pain is what made me truly believe in God. Worldly knowledge and the mind is eradicated once we accept that dukh is sukh and sukh is dukh- Dukh is Him- washing our misdeeds and giving us continuous chances to realise the Truth. The mind cannot fathom such a concept as we have been programmed by maya to believe otherwise.

The heart is where the bhagat lives- and the heart is beyond logic(the mind). You Percieve the fact that God washing off a humans (regardless of if they are a child or not) misdeeds in dukhi is heartless- whereas If the devil had his way, none of us would probably ever wash our karams and become jivan mukht- we would carry around the weight of illusion and darkness for eternity.

As a Sikh who trusts in God as opposed to the devil(for there is no in between) you should accept that it is his love that washes our karams and gives us the oppertunity to live the bliss that He does- this path is about true love and faith- we would not learn much if we sinned, attached our selves to Maya and then gained jivan mukht-we would be jivanmukht without being deserving- even the Great Master himself went through stages of discovery... Gey rid of logic by doing bhagti- and the understanding will flow.

Satnam ji

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pt that all God does is out of love and for our benefit- even if your mind(which harbours the 5 thieves) cannot accept this. Without faith, we cannot move forward on the path and begin to truly understand god and his creation through bhagti.

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WJKK WJKF

singh has a valid point. If waheguru was omnipotent and all loving then there would be no suffering. The fact that there is suffering for humans suggests that either waheguru is not omnipotent ( and therefore if he is not omnipotent then he cannot be waheguru) or not all loving ( and therefore if he doesn't love us and allows evil to happen to us then why should we worship him).

I'm sorry but there is no valid reason that waheguru would allow little children to die slowly of starvation. No-one could argue that these poor children deserve the treatment they're recieving. Anyone who argues these children deserve to suffer must be an absolute <banned word filter activated> and a have complete lack of empathy.

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Sorry about the broken post earlier, I was posting from an Iphone and the second bit didn't come up.

What I was going to say, is that As a Sikh who trusts in God as opposed to the devil(for there is no in between- you're either a slave to maya(devil) or a slave to God(true freedom)) you should accept His Hukam as Gurbani asks us to, regardless of what your mind leads you to believe. Remember that the mind/ego/identity is the cause of the 5 theives- which is why we are asked to give the Guru our head, and live by our hearts- our true Heart is God's heart.

Once you begin to live your heart- (which is beyond logic) by stepping on the path of the Guru- having given your head- you begin to understand the khel more and the acceptance and Love for Him grows.

Guru Nanak Ji says: If you want to play the game of love, come to my lane with your head on the palm. On this path, do not hesitate to lay down your life.

If we haven't accepted in Nirboah and Nirvair that All is God and that All is His will- that all is karam- we have not truly surrendered.

Our Gurus were All Powerful- at One with the lord. Do you honestly think that they could not have gotten up and saved children who were being tortured at the time? With one action, they could have made Satyug on earth again..

But they accepted God's will to the point that some were burned alive, some were jailed, some accepted their children being bricked alive as Hukam- Guru Gobind Singh Ji could easily have put a stop to his children being killed- He respected God's will and laws so much that he accepted the hukam.

Remember that SatGurus/ Brahmgyanis are All Knowers of the past, present and future- if they could accept God's hukam without complaint, having seen the events coming before they even happened- then why should we think we're any higher or better?

Āsā mėhlā 1.

Aasaa, First Mehl:

Kẖurāsān kẖasmānā kī▫ā hinḏusaṯān darā▫i▫ā.

Having attacked Khuraasaan, Baabar terrified Hindustan.

Āpai ḏos na ḏe▫ī karṯā jam kar mugal cẖaṛā▫i▫ā.

The Creator Himself does not take the blame, but has sent the Mogal as the messenger of death.

Āpe kare karā▫e karṯā kis no ākẖ suṇā▫ī▫ai.

The Creator Himself acts, and causes others to act. Unto whom should we complain?

Ḏukẖ sukẖ ṯerai bẖāṇai hovai kis thai jā▫e rū▫ā▫ī▫ai.

Pleasure and pain come by Your Will; unto whom should we go and cry?

Hukmī hukam cẖalā▫e vigsai Nānak likẖi▫ā pā▫ī▫ai. ||7||12||

The Commander issues His Command, and is pleased. O Nanak, we receive what is written in our destiny. ||7||12|

You can argue that we don't deserve what we get until you're out of breath, but the law of karma is, always was and always will be perfect- as we sow, so do we reap.

It is not about lacking emapthy/compassion- compassion is part of the reason the Gurus taught us the Truth on earth. They taught people to practice the Truth in every action, in every moment. Guru Gobind Ji taught us to defend.

The Gurus taught us that this world is an illusion- and that we have the choice to get up and and become free of the illusion (maya)- of all of the worldly <banned word filter activated> and of the game of karma.

It's kalyug, all of this darkness is not here for no reason- it is required for a full scale fight back against it- the more darkness there is, the greater the light will be when we get up and challenge/ take on the ignorance of maya with Truth.

Yes some people reap some beyond awful karams, of course we have compassion- the bhagats come to hear and feel the screams of those who are suffering- that is why it is up to us to shed selfishnes(sense of 'I') and Get Up and Serve- to help others get out of this cycle of constant suffering. Even when we are in worldly sukh, we carry around the pain of many lifetimes.

The best that we can do is to stop procrastinating- instead of claiming compassion- accept that karam is in play, start living your heart and act on your feelings of compassion by helping others become free of maya by living in Truth as our beloved Gurus did.

Satnaam Ji

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i believe that we are not created by waheguru,we just splited up from waheguru or we were waheguru in the past.now the question is why were we splited up.

Now read this carefully

We see in this world many bad people which eat and drink and do bad things and as a result there is too much pain in this world.when we are in our former joti jot self there was a complete anand and no pains.now why we wished to suffer in pains.take it this way.when we eat there are many flavours of food sweet sour bitter etc.answer me this question why people eat bitter chillies?? They eat it because they want to taste the bitter flavour.similarly our former self splited up to taste the pains of birth and death and do bad things and get lost in it. Now its our wish when we want to return to our original self.

Thats the reason why some people waste their whole life in addictions while other suffer too much ie killed when they are born

ITS LIKE A GAME

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i am not but i do paath daily,i am doing this since a year(wake up at amritvela and do paath) but nothing special has happened,now i am bit confused with the existance please help me if you can,if god exist i dnt want to leave path,but if it does not i dnt want to spend whole life in confusion.

I was thinking about the existance of god and how we know that the god exist.

Following points come in my mind:-

1.if waheguru loves us then why makes us suffer in the pains of birth and death,if i loved some one i will never do to him.or does this mean waheguru dnt love us.

2.why they created so much vikars and obstacles in this world it just make more difficult to reach them do they simply want us to stuck here or we are just their toys(sorry for this)

3.according to sikhi,human life form is the only way to reach waheguru,does that means that there was no mukti when humans does not exist.also are the humans only the intelligent creatures ie no aliens

4.according to sikhi god created the time and space and does not comes under it that means god has knowledge of all the three,present,past,future that means everything is pre planed by them,so why we do paath other things to reach god,we will reach them when our time comes to reach them.then why we follow religion

5.god can do anything right

Can god kill themself

Can god create a thing which he can't create

Can god kill imortal souls

Can god create another god more powerfull than them

If god cannot do every thing then god has limits,and as gurbani say god has no limits

I dont want to offend any one i still do paath,but want a reason to continue

Sorry for every thing

Please comment

Please help me i also want to keep up sikhi

U are a very very very very confused individual - - you want to keep sikhe so that your questions are answered ??

if that is right ask your self - did you create the heart that is pumping blood around you wihout a rest 24*7 ?

Every thing is in stages in life- even to understand life one goes through stages - of learning and adapting. You may do paath all your life nothing special might not happen - then what? how are you doing paath ?do you know what paath you are doing?

if you are doing paath with love and acceptance of everything as it IS - then you cannot be asking such questions?

you seem to be doing paath but without vichaar -" sikhee sikhyaaa Gur vichaar"

i suggest you listen to vichaar and do paath with love and with full 100% concentration.

There is nowhere in sikhe where Guru said to do paath first then expect something special --? if there is please enlighten!

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It Is a game.. Our original state is Nothing, just like God. We are just deluded thinking we're seperate. What we live (in this 3rd energy- or 3rd world as Guru Nanak describes it) is just an astral projection of an astral projection of who we really are. The more stuck in maya we get, the further the projection into illusion.

When we start living in Truth, we begin the journey back into our origin. The journey is beyond comprehension and beyond logic- the gyan can be read, but to truly understand it, we must live it and therefore experience it.

To truly understand Truth, we must live it, and then the answers to our questions will come on their own.

This is the reason that the writings and teachings of true bhagats throughout the ages are so similar, the discoveries of Gyan flowed from God within as they experienced and practiced Truth.

Satnaam Ji

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It Is a game.. Our original state is Nothing, just like God. We are just deluded thinking we're seperate. What we live (in this 3rd energy- or 3rd world as Guru Nanak describes it) is just an astral projection of an astral projection of who we really are. The more stuck in maya we get, the further the projection into illusion.

When we start living in Truth, we begin the journey back into our origin. The journey is beyond comprehension and beyond logic- the gyan can be read, but to truly understand it, we must live it and therefore experience it.

To truly understand Truth, we must live it, and then the answers to our questions will come on their own.

This is the reason that the writings and teachings of true bhagats throughout the ages are so similar, the discoveries of Gyan flowed from God within as they experienced and practiced Truth.

Satnaam Ji

Beautifully said....this is the greatness of Sikhism that we are taught to focus on our souls origin and contemplate it and return back to it so that we dont have to come back into creation time after time. Many Sikhs are lost literally following Sikh teachings but not understanding the meaning of them and the methaphors used. Those who follow abrahmic religions are mostly lost because their God is a God that discriminates upon creation that he has created himself, wheras the dharmic understanding of God is that everything, all of creation is an illusion and part of God's projection we fail to realise this in our daily busy lives but every so often those Sikhs with knowledge and understanding do contemplate to a higher level of thinking and meditation that transcends them from mere mortal level approach in life.

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