Dasam Dwar

[PAL 07]

Shabad Surat Marg is parvan in Gurmat, is in fact encouraged but with keeping in mind that dasam dvar or listen to anhad shabad its not the final destination for sikh..real moksh is - bhramgyan- gyan of bhram/atma-paratma.

Once Sri Maan Sant Baba Sunder Singh Ji of Bindra were travelling in their parchar bus with other students of the Damdami Taksal. It was summer time and very hot; they saw a Jogi sitting in a circle of fire cross legged in a meditative state. All the students started respecting the saint and saying "wow he must have a high avastha".

Sant Ji started laughing and one Singh asked "Baba Ji why are you laughing?" Baba Ji replied that he is no Saint; with the opening of his 10th door he is watching a dirty mujra dance at a brothel in Pakistan.

All the students were amazed that Sant Ji were all knowing (antarjami).

[N30S1NGH]

Great sakhi veer..this is exactly my point!!!!!!!!!!!

Surti at dasam dvar, 3rd eye, listening to anhad shabad could be taken as "reference point" in bhagti/gyan marg but not the final destination.

[SunSingh]

4. Para Bani- Recite Gurmantar in Nabhi(Navel) without moving tongue and with the thoughts. In this stage vahiguroo Gurmantar gets infused in rom rom of the body. Meditation goes in automatic mode. There is no need for concentration.

could you give me the link the katha where you heard this>?

After 4th stage, everything is spontaneous, trikurti and dasam dwar will open spontaneously no effort is needed on concentrating on 3rd eye or anything, one gets to very high stage where one can hear(jap-resonance,dhuni) with their surati from everything in this creation ie- walls, birds, leafs, animals, human being, even from realms and see everything.

Ajpa jap na visrai aad jugad samae ||

It does not forget the Chant which is chanted without chanting; it is immersed in the Primal Lord God of the ages.

does one get more kamai from jap at nabhi then they do from jap at dasam dwar (before it opens)??

[N30S1NGH]

Singh ji..please see attached portion where i got the description..It is also mentioned in naam jugtiya tape also talks about the phal starts from 50.31- see below

does one get more kamai from jap at nabhi then they do from jap at dasam dwar (before it opens)??

Sant isher singh ji rara sahib wale talks about this in naam jugtiya tape from 50.31 see link below they say once nabhi chakar opens with surat shabad once start hearing shabad from rom rom.

Gurmukh rom rom har dhaivaie ||

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/01_Puratan_Katha/Sant_Ishar_Singh_%28Rara_Sahib_wale%29/101-150/129--Sant.Isher.Singh.%28Rara.Sahib.wale%29--Naam.Jepen.Diaa.Jugtiaa.mp3

[Guest dasguruka]

Great sakhi veer..this is exactly my point!!!!!!!!!!!

Surti at dasam dvar, 3rd eye, listening to anhad shabad could be taken as "reference point" in bhagti/gyan marg but not the final destination.

Khalsa Ji do you know of any kathas about this Shabad Surat maarag?

[N30S1NGH]

Haanji, listen to katha that i posted one up your post- post 14. It's talks about shabad surat marg.