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It really saddens me to see so much criticism and hatred against “sikh” Punjabi girls in this forum from our own brothers.

Most of the posts end up with sikh guys blaming girls as not respecting our culture, becoming easy targets for non-sikh and rejecting sardars etc etc.

It is very disheartening reading the picture you have painted of them based on your “extensive studies” and it has compelled me to write a few things...

First and foremost if you are truly following sikhi then you will be aware that ANY GIRL (not just Punjabi or sikh) are supposed to be viewed as your sisters or mothers.

Sikhi does not encourage that you go around hitting on girls and have gfs before marriage- it is a form of lust, it is kaami and it is one of the 5 chors- full stop.

I see posters advocating sikh guys go find girls from other backgrounds and religious beliefs.

Really, are you that desperate for girls and relationships? (Don’t forget that if you are amrithdhari then you have to marry into an amritdhari/gursikh household).

Consider for a minute that maybe you’re wasting your time, effort and resources chasing the opposite sex and are forgetting why we were put on this earth for.

You are chasing after a body which will deteriorate and rot in the ground one day and forgetting that which will always be eternal.

Have some faith – waheguru will put the right girl at the right time for you, try to trust in him.

Now most of you’ll say that u want to get to know a girl before getting into a commitment and insist that you won’t do anything physical, that your motives are pure (whatever way you choose to justify it).

You complain that so many ‘sikh’ girls turn you down because of your turban and beard – question yourself which girls are you asking in the first place.

Yes I agree there are SOME Punjabi girls that do and say the most disrespectful things against sikhi just as there are some punjabi boys. BUT don’t confuse ‘Punjabi’ with ‘sikhi’- they are two different things.

Just as you toss aside ‘mona’s’ as being non-sikh these are the female version. Turn your attention away from these superficial girls and just maybe you’ll be able to see a ‘sikh’ girl. (btw sikh girls probably won’t easily go out, anyways)

From the posts that I have read that discredit sikh Punjabi girls – most of the posters themselves admit to have non-punjabi and non-sikh girlfriends, which leads me to believe that it is form of validation and justification strategy more to themselves and to others.

Others think they are doing parchar of some sort by dating non-sikh girls supposedly teaching them about sikhi, when in fact most of them will be the reason why sikh values will be diluted in the future when their kids have mixed beleifs or no interest in sikhi.

You pride yourself that in many wars Sikhs with turbans saved girls from being raped and slaughtered – are you their descendants where you are now throwing dirt on our own sikh sisters?

Don’t worry about what the other public’s views are of sikh girls, you should not share the same view. You are not doing anyone any favours posting about crap others are supposedly saying; actually your sexist views may be pushing these girls further away.

Some even go to the extent to question if Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave sikh females too much respect? – it’s unbelievable that guys with such backward thoughts are taking our religion into the future. Learn to appreciate women- this is sikhi.

If you pride yourself as being sikh – then make sure you follow and live the life of SIKH rather than bending sikh rahet to suit you.

Understand true nature of sikhi at its core and lead by example – let your actions be what defines you.

At the end of the day if you keep complaining about non respecting punjabi girls, that’s what you will end up seeing.

Instead of complaining about such girls why don’t you celebrate the true singhni’s and singh’s out there?

You need to increase your tolerance level of ignorant people and learn to be a better Sikh yourself.

I repeat lead by example, show others so much love that your charisma attracts others to you rather then chasing after or trying to change others.

Interested to read others views- girls and guys both.

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There is nothing wrong with marrying someone of another faith- Guru Nanak said no Hindu no Muslim, God is One. There is no religion, only Truth- remember that Sikh means student. Sat is His naam so we are students of Truth.

Many men are too quick to point the finger at girls, but in Truth we're equal, na roop na rekh na rang- so for a man to think they are above a woman is maya- as we really are nothing- no image, only love- Nirboah and Nirvair. This is how we become lowest of the low- as ego has no place on this path.

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Thank you for this post, I too have been saddened by the amount of negative posts about Punjabi Sikh girls. our Sikhi is all about treating women with respect but some people seem to have forgotten about that and are more likely to respect women of other groups as they are willing to date. they've become influenced by the culture of romance and dating being the most important thing to strive for. Hopefully there's enough men with their own minds to realise you can't judge all based on a few bad apples. Would be nice if they spoke up on this forum as these hateful comments have put me off looking at the site.

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I have really sympathy for you my dear...but somehow I do feel too sikh women are themselves responsible for their own criticism by sikh guys. ...I m an hindu student of punjab university in chandigarh and I had decided to do survey after studying sikhism how it is rich in its culture and every should be proud of that thing He or she is sikh....Even though I want to be sikh too later in future.I think I was born to be sikh.

okayy when I did survey with some of my friends in my whole university, The result shown that 75 % sikh girls preferred their bf's and husbands as clean shaved. 20 % sikh girls preferred their bfs and husbands with turban but no long beard..and only 10 % sikh girls preferred their dream boys as saabat surat sikh guys ..The most interesting thing in those girls was that they were all baptized sikh girls wearing turbans or covering heads with sort of cloth.

So I can definitely say the problem that is making huge gap in singh and kaur is not in the baptized sector of sikhi..The problem is occurring in the non baptized sector of sikh guys and sikh girls.. where sikh girls are more attracted to worldly things...and I don't blame sikh guys in such cases..Their frustration is obvious because this issue was limit to the sikh circle but now it has become a major issue and every other community knows that somehow sikh girls dont like sikh guys seem to be true on the bases of turban and beard of sikh guy....If I try to find rishta for my elder brother in the news paper in hindu section I m not getting right now. but I just look for a minute in sikh section.the highly educated sikh girls are not only preferring clean shaven sikh guys..but they also add a line with it "They dont care of religion too."// so the frustration and negative attitude of sikh guys for sikh girls is obvious now and they have to face it for her own faults..

and you just pointed out the mine point that sikh guys asking their Gurus why did they give so much respect to sikh girls..if I ask to sikh guys the same thing over here they will say " if a sikh girl herself does not want to see her Gurus look in the look of their bf or husband then they really she does not want to be respected by her own acts.

I have seen most. sikh girls mocking at the faces of sikh guys standing in the middle of us hindu guys .. and that is a very important fact that sikh guys are really being respected by other girls...

But at last in my point of view..A sikh should marry to sikh guy..A sikh should think of his/her sikhi before he or she falls in love with other guys or girls...Sikh youth is behaving really weird today.. They should wake up ..being outsider I can feel how am I unlucky I dont have sikhi..but I would get it soon..

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There is nothing wrong with marrying someone of another faith- Guru Nanak said no Hindu no Muslim, God is One. There is no religion, only Truth- remember that Sikh means student. Sat is His naam so we are students of Truth.

Many men are too quick to point the finger at girls, but in Truth we're equal, na roop na rekh na rang- so for a man to think they are above a woman is maya- as we really are nothing- no image, only love- Nirboah and Nirvair. This is how we become lowest of the low- as ego has no place on this path.

so what do you wanna say? if sikhism comes to an end in future you would not mind?? I am an hindu guy and I Believe Sikhism came as Almighty's call in that period when there was a great confusion between Hindus and muslims. and Dont forget if sikh means student..then he is a student of teachings of sikhi.. and Sikhism is the real and closest path to have God.and Sikhism is not a religion..it was a revolution started by Guru Nanak ji and maintained by Guru Gobind Singh Ji.. If I am an hindu guy and I am an honest guy to my life..I would say if you are seeking a truth ..Truth lies only in shri Guru Granth Sahib ji..A holy bulk of teachings of Gurus..

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We need more Singhni's and Sikh girls to come forward and speak out about issues such as these. Sometimes one gets the impression they just don't care about things that don't affect their lives directly.

I can appreciate where Sikh guys are coming from, even those who aren't after anything salacious. I can see it's a pretty huge diss for Sikh girls if a Sabat Soorat Singh finds a non-Sikh girl, gets her onto the path of Sikhi, and they both live a Sikhi lifestyle; I'd be pretty miffed at that as well if I was a Sikh female. :biggrin2:

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I m an hindu student of punjab university in chandigarh...Even though I want to be sikh too later in future.I think I was born to be sikh.

I am an hindu guy and I Believe Sikhism came as Almighty's call in that period when ...If I am an hindu guy and I am an honest guy to my life..I would say if you are seeking a truth ..Truth lies only in shri Guru Granth Sahib ji..A holy bulk of teachings of Gurus..

being outsider I can feel how am I unlucky I dont have sikhi..but I would get it soon..

Welcome to Sikhsangat brother. I was also a Hindu when I joined here in 2003, and Guru Sahib blessed me in 2004. I wish you had come here back then when we had a genuinely inspirational atmosphere and also members. These days its just...never mind, stick around a few days (if not hours) and you'll find out.

Let me know if you want to talk online sometime, please register an account and message me. We can share our experiences and learn from each other.

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Today A Singh cheated by Kaur, what is he feeling today I have mentioned below with a song:)


O Koi Dil Nu Chareet Geya
O Koi Dil Nu Chareet Geya
Ni Tu Mainu Ehnj Shad Gayi
Jidda Akhiyan Mein Meet Gya
Sade Naal Rahi Tu Beeba Likdi Phaardi
Sadi Dora Tut Gayi Ni Teri Guddi Char Gayi
Phul Murajye Kidh Gaye Ne Rutt Aa Gayi Kaisi
Tu Kinni Badal Gayi , Singh Desi Da Desi
Tu Kinni Badal Gayi , Singh Desi Da Desi
Ni Teri Utthni Bhaini , Hun Vaddya Wargi
Ni Tu Baali Sheti ,Taraki Kar Gayi
Sadi Ta Jawani Ni Watta Tey Gaal Gayi
Sadi Ta Jawani Ni Watta Tey Gaal Gayi
Tu Rakhi Camry aa , Gore Thalley massey
Tu Kinni Badal Gayi , Singh Desi Da Desi
Tu Jeana Paundi aa Mera Ohi Pajama
Tu Bethe Gaddiya Ch Mere Thalley Yamaha
Jeede Tey Beh KeTu Beeba Ghumdi Sey Zamana
Tu Pavve Tops Swagat Da Mere Tey Khahki Kessi
Tu Kinni Badal Gayi , Singh Desi Da Desi
Tu Kinni Badal Gayi , Singh Desi Da Desi
Tu Behke Jhaaja Ch Mera Bhull Gayi Gadda
Jithe Ambian Khadian C Ni O Shad Ta Addaa
Pubba Te Clubba Ch Tu Pegg Lavve Wadda
Tu Heer Punjaban Eaa Ni Tere Ranjhe Perdesi
Tu Kinni Badal Gayi , Singh Desi Da Desi
Tu Kinni Badal Gayi , Singh Desi Da Desi
Tu Duniya Vekh layi Ikali Ne Firkey
Mein sahr v Javva Jey Mera Bapu Chidkey
Ni Tera Vigard Mahol Geya ,Ni Asi sammbhe Virse
London De Bajara Di Kaur Ho Gayi Bhetti
Tu Kinni Badal Gayi , Singh Desi Da Desi
Tu Kinni Badal Gayi , Singh Desi Da Desi

Being sardar ,,I say Sardars don't go for Girls... Most of the sardars have their priority is SARDAARI .Girls Can be their Second preference and it has been rightly said "Har Sardaar nu kudhi ta mil jandi par har kudhi nu Sardar nai milda" I don't know how dared you to write these useless assumptions like We got low confidence that we don't approach sikh girls..Being proud to be sardaar we can obviously less in romantic attitude as compared to our own girls because they are not carrying any sardari .they are looking like as same as like other girls. Except baptized girls . We are known as shying and cute guys....We love our pagh..love our look..Those who feel they are in less confidence and try to get girls,..most of them get haircut..

and don;t mind all other guys like non punjabi.Hindu ,muslim,south indians and many more always chase to have Sikh girls because they know sikh girls are beautiful but They are very easy to groom , easy to take. easy to flirt. You said Are we desperate ? I think sikh girls have made us desperate .

"Gera wich kedha dam c,,,Sanu ta apnya ne lutya".

come to punjab,,infact everywhere sikh girls have more boy friends rather than sikh guys have girl friends..and most of the sikh girls have clean shaved sikh guys even when the sikh girls have their father and brother are Gursikh .

and the last line of you omg whats wrong with you? why should we show a chrshma when we are already showing with our holy and trustworthy personality. Every non sikh guy or girl ask us for help anytime.

and for your kindly information,There are many records which show sikh girls are busy in searching their boy friend and life partner before their marriage as compared to sikh guys.

Don't you see how an Anand Kaaraz has become a joke for sikh girls. when they come to marry with their muslim or hindu or south indian boy friends in the Gurudwara?

You say it makes you sad..but please try to feel the pain of those Gursikh guys too who are being refused to accept by modern kaur.. I am one of them.. There not some of girls,try to accept this.Most of the sikh girls have been moved to clean shaved sikh guys..Movies are produced,songs are produced,seminars are done to wake up the sikh girls these days..are they mad? No

Every woman plays an important role in the life of every man. without woman we cannot make the world. without the help of woman, a man cannot be a successful person in his life and this Woman in sikhism forms the base of its existence. Today if base is getting corrupted by show off mirror of the world. how can you think that other things will not be corrupted in sikhism..

please try to be united with us otherwise hypocrisy of sikh woman will lead to the end of sikhism in punjabi people soon.
Anyways I must say if every sikh girl would think like you .Conflicts will not arise..

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I'm now growing my hair out and wearing a pagh.

Even when I was a complete clean shaved mona I would get rishtas from girls who had pagh wearing Dads and brothers. The Dad's and brothers didn't mind at all.

There was one girl who I was set up with who had a Singh dad, she said she only wanted a mona because when a Singh takes his pagh off there is a colour contrast on his forehead where the sun has not hit. What an idiotic reason.

These are not the kind of girls you do not want to marry anyway.

Having said all of that I have seen a lot of Singhs both full dhari and trim dhari get married to some great girls.

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sikh girls? well Many of them are writing their Kaur as "Caur" or "Kour".Its pretty annoying that gurus given honor has become joke for them..Driving sikhi Wherever they want..

One more thing I have seen In Gursikh families A guy is not allowed to cut his even single hair of his beard but when we see his sister and mother They are cutting their hair,waxing,shaving for fashion world.I just saw a two big examples recently in India ..A guy is going on his bike ,he is a saabat surat sikh guy with his full beard and he tied patka..he could be 16 or 17 years old guy..His sister was sitting behind of him and wearing short up to her knees and sleeve less and loose top. We could clearly see her hair on her head was cut and her legs were waxed and her arms were shaved just because she wanted to fit with her western garments..

Sikh woman and sikh girls are wearing western garments with their own choice in modern world..In order to fit with them They are doing everything as same as like non sikh girls do..Cutting of hair ,,waxing,,,,shaving.. etc etc..why? because They are wearing western garments...

and When it comes to criticize whole of the blame is poured on the innocent sikh guys that They don't want to marry the girls who don't do stuff like that.
??

oh come on..The one who is himself hairy and respecting the blessings of gurus how can He say others not to respect the blessings of gurus..The whole of the thing again comes to a sikh woman and her hypocrisy,if a guys wants a cutsurd girl because he had been grown up in such women where girls used to do cutting waxing shaving etc etc.....No doubt Sikh woman is about to
sikhi in future and whole of the blame is going to be poured on the Sikh man...

and this Questioner is blaming the sikh guys without any reason .some punjabi or sikh girls?? I dont know where you live..Go and see in the society Sikh guys are only meant to be brothers no one is going to be married with them. and Most of the sikh girls have negative attitude towards a sikh man and sikhism. sikh women's self criticizing behavior towards sikh man and sikhism is leading to the destruction of sikhi in future. Fashion ,, media ,,,glamour world,, entertainment these are the areas where sikh girls want to go .. Our sisters are being pornstars today how its shameful for us..Sorry we are not made up of any metal and iron .we are human beings as same as like others We have heart and feelings..If someone points out such things and make fun of our sikhi in front of us..its going to break down us..and how its easy for you saying increase your tolerance level..

At last I would only say Clean shaved face is the biggest weakness of sikh woman. My friend just made a propose to girl last week and the girl was from Gursikh family and my friend was too.

The girl without any delay said . "Yess I m sikh girl but I want such a guy who has some nice haircut like Ranbeer and Shahrukh and wearing earings /"..

Where our sikh sisters heading for???


"I repeat lead by example, show others so much love that your charisma attracts others to you rather then chasing after or trying to change others."

This said thing fits on sikh girls not on sikh guys. have you got it???

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Whatever you say and do Kaurs.. Nothing will change...

There are differences created by almighty and there are differences existing in society......

I am tired of uplifting Women but women themselves are not ready to come out the mentality to be strong enough to fight with circumstances.

The biggest thing is that our own dear ones create these differences for us.

Gkaur- You alone cannot fight with these factors nor you can change it... I would suggest that keep believing in Gurus - they are the only ones who can save you....

I am a girl and I live a strong and healthy life where what other says don't affect me at all... Coz I bother for what my Guruji says to me...... :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :lol2: :lol2:

Listen to all and do what your heart says... coz if you can give birth to men then you can do anything better then what they can do :D :D

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I don't know how I got over here and I just read your that comment that hurts me a lot .The things you have told against Sikh guys I think They fit more on the character of Sikh girls who always go around here and there with slutty and romantic attitude and you have targeted punjabi girls without any reason. Myself Sunakshi Kaur from an hindu punjabi girl orgin, 25 years old married to sikh guy last year. I m from Brahmin Family and I m pretty sure all other punjabi girls respect the sikh guys and why shall we not ? They are savers of our generations. The problems are rising between sikh guys and sikh girls. why are you blaming punjabi girls? Don't forget punjabi girls also include Muslim hindu and many other girls. I don't know who can you be that sure about punjabi girls rather than sikh girls.its just hypocrisy of you sikh girls. without any reason you cannot make any assumptions. These are the sikh girls who make fun of their own sikh guys.


Tears are coming in my eyes. The Issue is not with punjabi girls ,The issue is between Sikh girls and sikh guys. I have studied in some khalsa college and I was accompanied with some of sikh guys.They were always helpful for me and I never seen any sikh guy doing hurt someone girl without any reason. you would not believe, in my point of view Sikh guys are the nicest men in the world.
I think a Sikh guy is that khudgarj He will never tell others whats in his heart even if he falls in love with someone girl. He just leaves everything on the girl because he does not wanna hurt that girl who he loves with.
I think sikh ( Sardar) always spend their life according to sikhi and most of the Sardars go through arranged marriages. Its okay mine one did not go through that way because it was not his fault, It was me who approached him and said him to marry with me. He was sweet and cute .He had great sense of humor.He was funny .He always helped me without being selfish.
I knew already He was loving me but He never said to me .People say Sardars don't have guts and courage to propose someone girl.
But Its not true the thing is something else.
When my post graduation was about to complete and We had hardly ten days more to spend in college life then I felt that I am in love with him.But he was that Khudgaraj, I knew already He would not propose me at any cost because I knew sikh Guys ( Sardars, most of them) are not supposed to do ashikee( Love).Their first love is their Identity ,Their physical appearance. Their look.
And at the end of the day of my college when I did propose him, he accepted it and when I did ask him a reason "why did not you say me that you love me when I already knew" ?"Every girl wants guys should come first to approach the girls".
He told me some of the reason and I believe the reason is really genuine and real whether you believe or not I leave it on you.
The reason he told me when Sardars try to get girls,,The people starts make assumptions like" oh dekh ki haal a ..sir ide te paag a te kudhiyan piche janda pya va." The case is same as like a muslim girl when she does something like that because she wears hijab.
There is a very notable point that as sardars wear turban and they are showing their commitment to their sikhi ,In the same way.Muslim girls are showing their commitment to Islaam wearing hizab or Burka.. and on the other side both Muslim Guy and Sikh girl ( non baptized) lack these things and as a result They are more flexible and free in the society. Moreover Getting attracted to other non sikh guys by a sikh girl becomes obvious .In my point of view she does not have anything that could remind her that she is sikh girl so she should approach a sikh guy .
and I want to say I have accepted my better half based on his qualities and personality. I think a Sardar guy is the perfect example of personality...He is a gentleman .
whenever I go to my own parents family with my husband,,Everybody gives him that much respect and honor my heart starts blooming,flowering, blossoming, flourishing, thriving..Its like I am proud of myself that I got Sikh husband.. Everywhere I go with him to my massiyan or mama maammies..Everybody calls him Sardarji Sardarji.Singh saab Singh saab.. and I am the only one hindu punjabi girl in my whole families and relatives that married to sikh guy and whenever someone remembers me they just say " "oh jida gharwaala sardar a..singh a,,ohdi gal krdi a."" so why should not non sikh girls get any sardar husband? :D.
I am hurt because you targeted punjabi girls but punjabi girls also include Hindu and other girls too.. and I don't think so any sardar goes for lust as you defined ,..so far I have only seen who get haircut for girls who become mona,,yes They go for lust because They don't have anything that can remind them that they are SIKH and you have to believe there is a great difference in mona sikh and sardar sikh.
Most of the bad things are done by Mona sikhs and people try to associate these bad things with sardar sikh guy..I don't know people cannot be happy seeing their own people happy.
I never seen any Sardar teasing any girl physically rather than it he comes to help her from those mona sikh and other guys if someone girl faces such situation,Never seen any sardar stealing into the houses of people.Never seen any sardar raping the girl.Never seen any sardar addicted to sex stuff.never seen any sardar hurting someone else..Never seen any sardar who is being selfish..Never seen any sardar who is grooming any girl for his lust..and there are thousands of qualities I can share with you about sardars that make them holy, pure , trustworthy,dependable and reliable.
I don't know much about you but I can definitely say your assumption about sikh guys is false not whole of it but about 80 % very easily ..The things you told against them suits much more on sikh girls as compared to sikh guys. See the majority my sister Don't come with exceptional cases . When the emotions and patience get uncontrollable the frustration is obvious and that's what happening with sikh guys.
We got just baby in this year ,He is 6 months old. My hubby was saying to cut his hair because its hot over here in delhi because of summer season but I completely denied to do that..If I Have become Sikh now I would think like a sikh I would try my best so that My kids will not feel anything less about their faith.. I try to get more and more knowledge about sikhism.
And there are many non sikh girls who became Kaurs with their own will and are proving themselves that they can be better Sikh wives as compared to wives who were born as sikh.
At last i just wanna say so far I had only heard but after being married to him Its quite true that Sardars are get by luck ,He will be yours only when he is in your luck.
you can have desires and requests for them to get but they are as rare as like diamonds in this world in very few Quantity .. Maybe I was very lucky So I got one of them. i will always
be very grateful to my God.
I feel I am the happiest girl on this world and one thing more ,Siikh guys (Sardars) are not dating girls,They are being dated by other girls).
So please before you make such assumptions, First you need to go to the core of problem of whether they are punjabi girls or sikh girls.
Thanks

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I'll just quote what Mehtab Singh Veer Ji wrote in another thread as I think it perfectly sums up the post above mine:

...Those who have kirpa of SatGuru jee will come to this Panth, no matter where they are born and as what. Others may be born in a family that calls itself Sikh but may never realize that blessing.

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Whatever you say and do Kaurs.. Nothing will change...

There are differences created by almighty and there are differences existing in society......

I am tired of uplifting Women but women themselves are not ready to come out the mentality to be strong enough to fight with circumstances.

The biggest thing is that our own dear ones create these differences for us.

Gkaur- You alone cannot fight with these factors nor you can change it... I would suggest that keep believing in Gurus - they are the only ones who can save you....

I am a girl and I live a strong and healthy life where what other says don't affect me at all... Coz I bother for what my Guruji says to me...... :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :lol2: :lol2:

Listen to all and do what your heart says... coz if you can give birth to men then you can do anything better then what they can do :D :D

At least your thoughts are genuine somehow that "sikh women themselves are not ready to come out the mentality to be strong enough to fight with circumstances."

Because most of them have been moved to cleanshaven and stereotype faces of men.whether the such men are in sikhi or outside the sikhi..It does not matter to them. When sikh girls get higher qualification a guy with turban and beard look old fashioned to them ( its common reason you can see too)

"if you can give birth to men then you can do anything better then what they can do "

Its 100 percent true if sikh girl herself ignores mona guys and stop marrying outside sikhi and prefer turban guys then definitely it will work and sikh guys will listen her and keep kesh and beard and tie turban because a woman has great impact on the man both mentally and physically.

Ek gal boht common a saaddiyan familiyan wich jado sikh kudhi jwaan ho jandi a te ki kendi apni maa nu jado ude vyaa di gal chaldi a..dyaan dyo jra

"Mummy Mummy main sikh naal vyaa nai krouna,,munda mannu cleanshave chahuda va" te kadi tusi ida hi sikh munde nu kende sunya ke oh kenda main sikh kudhi naal vyaa nai krouna??? thavanu pta te manu b pta Kade b nai sunya huna ...Sach a ji sach...................

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As a man love your weapons more than any 'woman' (or anyone else 'humanly') and you will be fine.

That is all I have to say, it seems feminism is widespread with othe rissues but what veer ji said is true.

Those who wish, and with his grace will find this panth.

We have too many favors to return to worry about this stuff.

47 and 84 genocides are still un-repaid.

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This is a new punjabi song uploaded on youtube tommarrow..The main singer is stereotype clean shaved guy with his weird hairstyle,wearing earings, wearing caps its like he is copying 50 cents or any western rapper...and he got rapper in his song .The rapper is cute sardar wearing simple dastaar.. and you know as same as like Our brilliant dumb kaurs come over the

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What proud they do by calling themselves as kaur with their name? I never got its answer so far.

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I'll just quote what Mehtab Singh Veer Ji wrote in another thread as I think it perfectly sums up the post above mine:

Perfect :)

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Only a Sikh(Amritdhari) will defend Sikhi. A non-Sikh(Punjabi) can not understand the essence of Sikhi, therefore will not see any reason in defending Gursikhi. Stop expecting fruits (Sikhi) to bloom out of swamps(everyday Punjabis).

How can a haircut, meat eating, alcohol drinking, substance/intoxicant abuser talk about Gurmat??? Now it doesn't matter if such people are born Punjabi or not. Their mindset is not towards Sikhi, then how do you expect them to defend Sikhi??? I think the problem also lies with us Sikhs(Amritdharis) expecting too much from everyday Punjabis(who have nothing to do with Sikhi in actuality). Wake up!

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Once again the problem is that sikhi and punjabi culture are being confused.

A sikh girl amritdhari or not loves her religion and will not do anything which dishonours sikhi , herself or her parents, (same applies for boys) she has no problem with marrying a boy with a turban (obviously a must for amritdharis). does not do bf's or clubbing, drinking, beuty parlour etc, same for boys no gf's etc and hopefully no beauty parlour but their are more and more getting their beards threading etc,

All the boys and girls who say they are sikhs but do the bf/gf, drinking pubs clubs,beauty parlours, night out with the girls/ boys etc are not sikhs and just because they say they are makes no difference, Gurbani forbids sikhs to dishonour themselves or their parents, drinking etc.

Now you decide the ones who are hated and the ones that are not, and actually hated is a very strong / wrong word, i would say pitied (boys and girls) as they have turned their backs on Guru ji.

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A Sikh has to be Amritdhari. One doessn't naturally become a Sikh. An individual has to take the first step. A person can only associate himself or herself to the Sikh religion, once that person becomes a Sikh.

We should stop trusting the everyday Punjabi

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I think the blame goes for this goes both way.

First I want to say that the boys that you are talking about are punjabi boys/men, not Sikh boys/men. You can tell the difference between the two from miles. Sikh boys will not easily talk to girl and even if they are it is on just friend basis. It the punjabi boys who go around drinking, smoking, hitting on girls.

Unfortunately, most girls are attracted to that. But there is also a distinction here. Most girl who are attracted to such boys are themselves punjabi girls not sikh girls. I am also sorry to say that at one point in my life I used to be the same. It is not the blame of anyone, but my own. I was born in India but grew up in the United States. I wanted to fit in and I knew in order to fit in with the other kids I needed to look them. My parents would never allow me to cut my hair but I shaved and waxed. I did not understand the importance of keeping my self pure. But as I grew up, I put in the effort to learn about Sikhism, I have read books, I have done research and made up my own mind my following the Sikhism path. And Now, I can't even think about shaving or waxing. I get a disgusting feeling in the pit of my stomach, like Wahaguru is watching me and is disappointed in my choices. I choose to follow the sikhi path because I want to be able to look my self in the mirror and call my self a Kaur. I am proudly say my name is Kaur and that I deserve it. It took a lot of effort to get where I am today. It is sad to see the hold modern society has on us these days, controlling what we wear and how to think. But the reason my thinking is changing is because of me, my parents didn't put their beliefs on to me. They tired like many parents, but a person has to make their own choice and many choose to become westernized.

I used to fantasize about a clean shaven guy as well. But now I know that I will never be happy if I am not with a Sikh, full turban and beard guy. Both the guys and girl need to understand what they want. There are still girl who want Sikh guys and girls who want just Punjabi guys. Know the difference and decide what you want out of your life and out of the life you build together. It is two way street, blaming just one sex is in itself being a sexist. The only person you can and are allowed to put the blame on it yourself.

Sikhi might be dying due to many become westernized but who is the blame for that. If we do not teach our self and our peers about what is important about being a Sikh then who are we to judge that others. The people - girl and boys - that we are judging might not have been taught these things. Rather than poking fun at them and judging them, follow the true Sikhi path and educate them. To be Sikhi is about learning and teaching, the guru spent all their lives trying to teach us and we should do the same. it is about teaching yourself, teaching other to be better today then you were tomorrow. We do not have to be perfect, no one is perfect but what is important is every religion and Sikhism is learning from said mistake and becoming better.

On a side note: Please note that become westernized always does not being being a bad Sikh. I keep my hair, do not shave and such but still wear trendy clothes. I follow the fashion world and dress myself according to days fashion. There is a way to be part of the today's world and society and still hold on to the values that were taught to us by our Gurus. Sikhism isn't about living in the old ways. To me Its about keeping in the core values while living in today society.

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I think the blame goes for this goes both way.

First I want to say that the boys that you are talking about are punjabi boys/men, not Sikh boys/men. You can tell the difference between the two from miles. Sikh boys will not easily talk to girl and even if they are it is on just friend basis. It the punjabi boys who go around drinking, smoking, hitting on girls.

Unfortunately, most girls are attracted to that. But there is also a distinction here. Most girl who are attracted to such boys are themselves punjabi girls not sikh girls. I am also sorry to say that at one point in my life I used to be the same. It is not the blame of anyone, but my own. I was born in India but grew up in the United States. I wanted to fit in and I knew in order to fit in with the other kids I needed to look them. My parents would never allow me to cut my hair but I shaved and waxed. I did not understand the importance of keeping my self pure. But as I grew up, I put in the effort to learn about Sikhism, I have read books, I have done research and made up my own mind my following the Sikhism path. And Now, I can't even think about shaving or waxing. I get a disgusting feeling in the pit of my stomach, like Wahaguru is watching me and is disappointed in my choices. I choose to follow the sikhi path because I want to be able to look my self in the mirror and call my self a Kaur. I am proudly say my name is Kaur and that I deserve it. It took a lot of effort to get where I am today. It is sad to see the hold modern society has on us these days, controlling what we wear and how to think. But the reason my thinking is changing is because of me, my parents didn't put their beliefs on to me. They tired like many parents, but a person has to make their own choice and many choose to become westernized.

I used to fantasize about a clean shaven guy as well. But now I know that I will never be happy if I am not with a Sikh, full turban and beard guy. Both the guys and girl need to understand what they want. There are still girl who want Sikh guys and girls who want just Punjabi guys. Know the difference and decide what you want out of your life and out of the life you build together. It is two way street, blaming just one sex is in itself being a sexist. The only person you can and are allowed to put the blame on it yourself.

Sikhi might be dying due to many become westernized but who is the blame for that. If we do not teach our self and our peers about what is important about being a Sikh then who are we to judge that others. The people - girl and boys - that we are judging might not have been taught these things. Rather than poking fun at them and judging them, follow the true Sikhi path and educate them. To be Sikhi is about learning and teaching, the guru spent all their lives trying to teach us and we should do the same. it is about teaching yourself, teaching other to be better today then you were tomorrow. We do not have to be perfect, no one is perfect but what is important is every religion and Sikhism is learning from said mistake and becoming better.

On a side note: Please note that become westernized always does not being being a bad Sikh. I keep my hair, do not shave and such but still wear trendy clothes. I follow the fashion world and dress myself according to days fashion. There is a way to be part of the today's world and society and still hold on to the values that were taught to us by our Gurus. Sikhism isn't about living in the old ways. To me Its about keeping in the core values while living in today society.

LOL...I hope if you follow the fashion world ,your trendy cloths do not show nudity or vulgarity or indecency of you.. Infact I have read sikhi is done with simplicity... :biggrin2:

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I think the blame goes for this goes both way.

First I want to say that the boys that you are talking about are punjabi boys/men, not Sikh boys/men. You can tell the difference between the two from miles. Sikh boys will not easily talk to girl and even if they are it is on just friend basis. It the punjabi boys who go around drinking, smoking, hitting on girls.

Unfortunately, most girls are attracted to that. But there is also a distinction here. Most girl who are attracted to such boys are themselves punjabi girls not sikh girls. I am also sorry to say that at one point in my life I used to be the same. It is not the blame of anyone, but my own. I was born in India but grew up in the United States. I wanted to fit in and I knew in order to fit in with the other kids I needed to look them. My parents would never allow me to cut my hair but I shaved and waxed. I did not understand the importance of keeping my self pure. But as I grew up, I put in the effort to learn about Sikhism, I have read books, I have done research and made up my own mind my following the Sikhism path. And Now, I can't even think about shaving or waxing. I get a disgusting feeling in the pit of my stomach, like Wahaguru is watching me and is disappointed in my choices. I choose to follow the sikhi path because I want to be able to look my self in the mirror and call my self a Kaur. I am proudly say my name is Kaur and that I deserve it. It took a lot of effort to get where I am today. It is sad to see the hold modern society has on us these days, controlling what we wear and how to think. But the reason my thinking is changing is because of me, my parents didn't put their beliefs on to me. They tired like many parents, but a person has to make their own choice and many choose to become westernized.

I used to fantasize about a clean shaven guy as well. But now I know that I will never be happy if I am not with a Sikh, full turban and beard guy. Both the guys and girl need to understand what they want. There are still girl who want Sikh guys and girls who want just Punjabi guys. Know the difference and decide what you want out of your life and out of the life you build together. It is two way street, blaming just one sex is in itself being a sexist. The only person you can and are allowed to put the blame on it yourself.

Sikhi might be dying due to many become westernized but who is the blame for that. If we do not teach our self and our peers about what is important about being a Sikh then who are we to judge that others. The people - girl and boys - that we are judging might not have been taught these things. Rather than poking fun at them and judging them, follow the true Sikhi path and educate them. To be Sikhi is about learning and teaching, the guru spent all their lives trying to teach us and we should do the same. it is about teaching yourself, teaching other to be better today then you were tomorrow. We do not have to be perfect, no one is perfect but what is important is every religion and Sikhism is learning from said mistake and becoming better.

On a side note: Please note that become westernized always does not being being a bad Sikh. I keep my hair, do not shave and such but still wear trendy clothes. I follow the fashion world and dress myself according to days fashion. There is a way to be part of the today's world and society and still hold on to the values that were taught to us by our Gurus. Sikhism isn't about living in the old ways. To me Its about keeping in the core values while living in today society.

Sikhi will never die the day that happens the world/universe will end, so you can forget that idea, a few dumb kids getting westernised does not constitute to the end of sikhi, our forefathers were slaughtered for centuries but sikhi never ended, instead the people/empires who tried to destroy us ended themselves !!

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You can still follow Guru ji and call yourself a sikh even though you have not taken amrit, but this has to be the goal without this yearning inside for the daat of amrit you can not class yourself as a sikh, although Guru jis door is open to all, you can fool the world but you can not fool him.

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LOL...I hope if you follow the fashion world ,your trendy cloths do not show nudity or vulgarity or indecency of you.. Infact I have read sikhi is done with simplicity... :biggrin2:

Following the fashion trends does not mean one has to dress vulgarity. Anyone one who think that if they show nudity, they are being fashionable is kidding themselves. I dress every modestly and simple while using items from todays trends.

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