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Found this article in todays paper, I sure hope some of you guys don't get caught in the cross fire of the anti-Islam feeling sweeping across the US:

"An anti-Islamic contest to draw the Prophet Mohamed will take place today outside the former mosque of the two men who attempted to ambush a prior event.

The event which was described as "peaceful", detailed security as being provided by armed bikers and which encouraged attendees to bring guns, will occur around the same time as the evening’s large prayer."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/peaceful-contest-to-draw-mohamed-invites-attendees-to-bring-guns-after-prior-event-ambush-10284723.html

Scarey stuff.

And in the meantime:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-launches-antiisis-cartoon-competition-to-expose-true-nature-of-islamic-state-10275768.html

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I agree that the ignorant and uninformed people of the West need to be clued in about the messy particulars of Islam, but I hardly think that the best people to disseminate this message are a bunch of gun-toting, dodgy-looking bikers wearing F*** Islam shirts, conservative Christians whose own holy text is riddled with as much questionable subject matter as the Koran.

I also agree that people should be able to draw Muhammad if they so desire. However, these draw Muhammad events, supposedly organised in keeping with the spirit of the First Amendment, seem to me to be more about provocation and alienation than a defense of free speech.

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I also agree that people should be able to draw Muhammad if they so desire. However, these draw Muhammad events, supposedly organised in keeping with the spirit of the First Amendment, seem to me to be more about provocation and alienation than a defense of free speech.

What they are is deliberate provocation and when one or two nutcase Muslims react the organisers can then say "look all muslims are violent extremists".

But then at the end of the day if you want to compare Christianity when was the last time your heard of a murder or riot caused by drawing Jesus?

I put the article up because I think certain members of the US population are getting more intolerent towards Islam and I just hope people do know the difference between Sikhism and Islam out there.

Balkaar you say the ignorant people of the west but it is the west that has created societies where all religions are allowed to be practiced freely and without discrimination.

It is the west that most economic migrants want to come to to build a life and it is the western system and model that has been the most successful in history.

Freedom to practice any religion, no discrimination when it comes to job applications based on colour, religion, sex etc.

I agree the system needs to be policed at all times to avoid corruption but ignorant people of the west haven't done a bad job at building culturally diverse societies that are

all inclusive.

Are you living in a western nation protected by western secular laws yourself, do you not feel a part of the western world and consider yourself to be not part of the wider society you live in?

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Balkaar you say the ignorant people of the west but it is the west that has created societies where all religions are allowed to be practiced freely and without discrimination.

It is the west that most economic migrants want to come to to build a life and it is the western system and model that has been the most successful in history.

Yes Sikhs are in west because the west (except US) messed up our homeland pretty badly and posted illegitimate rulers over our land more than 150 years ago. The same west who caused panic and chaos and murders of more than a million punjabis. They resulted world's largest every mass human migration of our people 68 years ago.. We were very well settled, highly educated and running a country where death penalty was banned and this was during early 1800's. West messed up our land and we had no choice but to move out of our homeland.

West (may it be uk, france etc) also created problems in mostly whole middle east. They were the one who started the idea to throw out ottoman empire and post outsiders as their rulers. They are also the one who created the current Israel/Palestine problem.

Yes some muslim rulers are bad criminals (just like mughals in india during our gurus time) but that should not give any excuse to anyone to start attacking other religion. If muslims think that drawing a figure of their god is haram and biggest crime ever then why some fudus of the west are creating unnecessary provoking events. If they are really concerned then maybe they should join armed forces and go fight. These same people are no different than nazis of KKK and other weird racist outfits.

Regarding this biker gangs, they are nothing but a hype of certain race people who can't digest seeing black president in white house. They been jumping around for the past almost 8 years.

Glad to see that you remember Sikhs safety when you hear such news :) You are a good guy !

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Well then if you think all this about the west it must really rub living in western countries.

I mean how do you feel about that?

Does it make you sick to your stomach, does it make you congregate only to your own people and stick to them.

Does it make you marry only with your own kind and build a little of what you call home in western nations and try to exclude all outsiders?

Does it make you speak only Punjabi at home does it make you feel alienated from western politics with your main consideration being back home and the notion of building

your own state namely Khalistan with the dream of eventually migrating back to the promised land?

Do you secretly habour resentment towards all white westerners for being the offspring of the original oppressors you blame so much for everything that has happened in your past history?

I'd really like to know.

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Balkaar you say the ignorant people of the west but it is the west that has created societies where all religions are allowed to be practiced freely and without discrimination.

It is the west that most economic migrants want to come to to build a life and it is the western system and model that has been the most successful in history.

Freedom to practice any religion, no discrimination when it comes to job applications based on colour, religion, sex etc.

I agree the system needs to be policed at all times to avoid corruption but ignorant people of the west haven't done a bad job at building culturally diverse societies that are

all inclusive.

Are you living in a western nation protected by western secular laws yourself, do you not feel a part of the western world and consider yourself to be not part of the wider society you live in?

Yes, I live in the West, England actually.

This is the country where I was born and to which I direct 100% of my national loyalty. It has given me all that I have. But I don't see why any of that should exempt it from my critcism. A rather extreme comparison here, but if you lived in Nazi Germany when Hitler was pouring scorn upon the Jews, would you simply forget to take issue with it for love of Germany?

The multiculturalism practiced in the West is not as it should be. We live together, we are expected to tolerate one another, but we hardly know anything about one other. We hardly know anything of each other because we can't speak candidly and honestly about one another without being viewed with suspicion of racism. Everything we are taught about Islam in our schools for instance, is especially contrived so that all the horrible things (Doomsayings, threats of damnation, depressing accounts of hell) which spring up on almost every other page of the Koran escape our lens. That, or we are taught blatant lies in order to put at ease the sensibilities of certain Muslims, for instance that "Islam" means "peace to the will of God" when in fact it means "submission", an altogether scarier word.

In saying this, I didn't mean to critcise everything the West did. I do not think ignorance is a uniquely Western trait, and I didn't try to say that they were wholly ignorant. I think its tolerably well known that the average Westerner knows a great deal more than most people in the rest of the world. This discussion pertained to Islam, and the Western people are generally ignorant of Islam.

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The question I asked was genuine though, I wonder is there is still a mistrust harbouring on intense dislike of white English people coming from the Sikh community as a result of history and British imperialism.

I have heard of Sikh girls getting a lot of aggro from their families for dating a white guy, the reason for this being Britains colonial past.

Does this sort of thing still go on?

I mean the other thing I have heard/read is that it is OK for a young Sikh male to have his fun with a white girl because she has loose morals but should marry a nice

clean Sikh girl in the end.

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white freemason/atheist western rich tycoon elitists --->> fund western governments and politicians who then fund---> atheist arab political leaders who fund -->> islamic preachers and nutjob mullahs/molvi's/imams who fund and brain wash ---> young impressionable muslim youth into islamic extremism and terrorism ---->> Which gives cause for the white freemason/atheist funded western governments to implement unjust laws and crackdowns on basic human rights, civil liberties and freedoms and conduct illegal wars on false pretexts stealing oil and wealth of 3rd world oppressed brown middle easterner / asians and black African people. The only exception to this white western elitest extremism is russia which is trying to hold back the tide from reaching its borders. But sooner or later it too will become entrapped in the web of these nutters unless they can revive the ussr and have a counter balance against western imperalism 2.0. India is still enslaved to white british imperialism being part of the common wealth whose head is the queen of england. And china dont really want to get involved with anyone else's foreign affairs unless it really has to for its own self interests and preservation.

So moral of the story is go to and remove the source of the funding of islamic nutjobs (ie white western atheist rich bankers and royal families) and you will solve the problem of mess islamics are making of the world. The white eliteists need the islamic nutters to do their bidding because their plans are 50years ahead of what islamics think they are doing for their so called ummah. The vast majority of muslims aint got a clue what the power and control hungry white atheist elites have got going on and what the state of play is in geo-politics. To most of the modern civilised world, Islam is looking like a nasty joke right now and the jokes on the poor people sucked into an ideology that can be so easily manipulated by people at the top to cause problems for the poor masses a the bottom of the pyramid.

Think the roman empire had gone away in the history books? No think again see what the vatican is and you will see the deep rooted immoral corruption that the christian church has got away with by people in power who lets face it are atheists just using the christian garb. Christiainty itself was a roman empire invention to control the violent and rebellious jews who kept fighting against their rule over their land. So this problem is as old as civilisation the people at the top have no conscience they see themselves as demi-gods and the rest of humanity as slaves to do their bidding.

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