Freedom Of Speech

[InderjitS]

A person desecrating the Sarovar on purpose deserves more than just a thrashing. Brilliant find.

[Balkaar]

I say we should strip his clothes give him a serious (and i mean serious) thrashing in the middle of a square in Amritsar, and then force him to apologize, and record it and put the Whole thing on youtube for everyone to see like Sant Jarnail Singh said about putting the head on a stool. But I think beheading is a bit extreme because it would get taken down on Youtube lol

He should be thrashed, yes, but all those embellishments you've suggested, like making him an unclothed spectacle for the baying masses, just sound needlessly sadistic and medieval. I'm not saying this for his sake, but for our sake. It wouldn't do for our people to become sadists.

It is our duty to punish those who commit beadbi. But exalting in the punishment and licking one's lips at their suffering is a very frightening notion and I do not think it becomes the Khalsa Panth.

[Singh559]

I'm a bit confused here. Please bear with me as I've not heard this Sakhi so you probably know more than I. But wouldn't Guru Nanak and Guru hargobind Ji be one person. Sicne the Jyott was the shame. Wouldn't Guru sahib be equally offended if both Guru Sahibs were insulted as they were the same person.

There was a deeper explanation in the Suraj Parkash Katha. Keep in mind it is historical and it did happen.

When I get time and access to my computer I'll look for the exact audio I'm talking about.

[Jonny101]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Another interesting video on what should have been done with someone who threw tobacco into the Harmandir Sahib complex per Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa. I wonder how the forumites would react to this speech.

What wrong did he say? he is saying exactly what Puratan Singhs would have done. Sikhs were once a Qaum who would never tolerate Beadbi of Guru Maharaj or Sri Darbar Sahib no matter what. They would literally kill or be killed for the respect of Guru Sahib. After 1947, Sikhs had lost all their warrior qualities that they were once known for and became Beghairat. But Guru Sahib blessed us by sending Sant Jee to wake up the Anakh in the Sikhs. Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale's reaction was perfectly justified. It was not shocking that an enemy of the Sikhs tried to do Maha Beadbi of Darbar Sahib by throwing Tobacco at our most holy shrine but what was shocking was the lack of reaction from the Sikhs who should have been outraged and that is what Sant Jee was talking about.

[StarStriker]

What wrong did he say? he is saying exactly what Puratan Singhs would have done. Sikhs were once a Qaum who would never tolerate Beadbi of Guru Maharaj or Sri Darbar Sahib no matter what. They would literally kill or be killed for the respect of Guru Sahib. After 1947, Sikhs had lost all their warrior qualities that they were once known for and became Beghairat. But Guru Sahib blessed us by sending Sant Jee to wake up the Anakh in the Sikhs. Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale's reaction was perfectly justified. It was not shocking that an enemy of the Sikhs tried to do Maha Beadbi of Darbar Sahib by throwing Tobacco at our most holy shrine but what was shocking was the lack of reaction from the Sikhs who should have been outraged and that is what Sant Jee was talking about.

Exactly johnny, im not sure how sikhs can argue against history.

[Kira]

There was a deeper explanation in the Suraj Parkash Katha. Keep in mind it is historical and it did happen.

When I get time and access to my computer I'll look for the exact audio I'm talking about.

No no. Veer Ji I hope you didn't take it the wrong way. I wasn't doubting it's historical context nor am I doubting it's reliability. I was just a bit confused by it, the Katha will clear that up for me 100%.

It would be great, post it here please or PM me. Thanks

[Singh559]

No no. Veer Ji I hope you didn't take it the wrong way. I wasn't doubting it's historical context nor am I doubting it's reliability. I was just a bit confused by it, the Katha will clear that up for me 100%.

It would be great, post it here please or PM me. Thanks

For sure I will when I find it. I have it on my old phone when Bhai Sukha Singh was here locally. He did a little katha and I had recorded it.

I don't remember it all so I couldn't do justice. Will PM you and post here when I get it.

[InderjitS]

What wrong did he say? he is saying exactly what Puratan Singhs would have done. Sikhs were once a Qaum who would never tolerate Beadbi of Guru Maharaj or Sri Darbar Sahib no matter what. They would literally kill or be killed for the respect of Guru Sahib. After 1947, Sikhs had lost all their warrior qualities that they were once known for and became Beghairat. But Guru Sahib blessed us by sending Sant Jee to wake up the Anakh in the Sikhs. Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale's reaction was perfectly justified. It was not shocking that an enemy of the Sikhs tried to do Maha Beadbi of Darbar Sahib by throwing Tobacco at our most holy shrine but what was shocking was the lack of reaction from the Sikhs who should have been outraged and that is what Sant Jee was talking about.

The military commander Massa Ranghar of Mandiali village was put in charge of the Darbar Sahib. He was the most active of the Chaudries engaged in capturing and destroying Sikhs. The Harmandir Sahib was turned into a place for debauchery with nauch (dance) girls being housed their for Massa Ranghar entertainment. The use of Naquills (water pipes) was by then a daily practice for Moslems, so the odor and smoke of tobacco, a substance which Guru Gobind Singh had forbidden his Sikhs to use, now filled the halls of the Sikhs' most Holy site, the very rooms where the beloved first Holy book and the SGGS had enjoyed Prakash for years. Alcohol in wine and other forms, forbidden even by the Moslem's own Holy book the Qur'an, now flowed freely as Massa Rangar and his friends enjoyed the dancing and other activities that the nautch girls were famed for. For the Sikhs whose Bani and Holy writings forbid the use of alcohol totally this was one but one more final insult.

The news that their sacred Gurdwara was now being used as a Seraglio, with wine and tobacco staining its walls and floors soon fell on the ears of a group of Sikhs living in Jaipur in Rajputana. Bhai Mehtab Singh a GurSikh of Mirankot, a village near Amritsar, was one of the first to hear this alarming news. Astonished and angered by the news he questioned the man who had just relayed the story:

"You have heard of this outrage to the sacred place, and yet you still live and go about telling this news to others! Why did you not kill Massa then and there? Is there no Sikh left in Amritsar to avenge this evil?" "No", replied the messenger. "There are no Sikhs there with a greater sense of honor than those who have run away to places like Jaipur in order to save their lives."

The messenger's taunt stung Bhai Mehtab Singh, a brave, strong minded and stout bodied young man, like the sting of some deadly dessert scorpion. He bolted up at once, took his sword and said:

"I shall go and cut off Massa's head with this sword, and bring it here!"

He saddled his horse and got ready to gallop away. A bystander who had heard the news as well Bhai Sukha Singh of the village Mardi Kambo ki offered to go along with him. Mounting their horses, they took off towards Amritsar. When they reached the sacred city, in August 1740 they noted the Mughal outposts, so they took some time to disguise themselves as Muhammadans. They filled two bags with well rounded pieces of broken earthen pots. Each of them placed one of the bags before him on the horse. They looked like harmless Muhammadan Lambardars who had come to pay their land revenue.

They entered the precincts of the Gurudwara. To the guards they said, "We have to come pay land revenue to our Chaudri." Their ruse worked and they were allowed to go into the compound of the Holy Temple. Tying their horses to a ber tree outside the main gate, the ber tree to the which horses were tied still exists, and carrying their sacks of payment they entered the room where they saw Massa Ranghar. He was seated on a cot, smoking a hukka, they could tell that he was intoxicated with wine. With half closed eyes he was listening to the music of the dancing girls. The sight made their blood boil. Bhai Sukha Singh stood watch near the door. Bhai Mehtab Singh went in and fell on the tyrant like lightning. With one stroke of his sword he cut off Massa's head.

Massa's companions were taken by surprise. They ran about in terror. Before they could recover from their surprise and shock, Bhai Sukha Singh and Mehtab Singh had made good their escape and galloped away.

The very sword used to decapitate him is in the Ajaib Ghar at Darbar Sahib, I stood there watching it in amazement!!

[Singh4Liberty]

He should be thrashed, yes, but all those embellishments you've suggested, like making him an unclothed spectacle for the baying masses, just sound needlessly sadistic and medieval. I'm not saying this for his sake, but for our sake. It wouldn't do for our people to become sadists.

It is our duty to punish those who commit beadbi. But exalting in the punishment and licking one's lips at their suffering is a very frightening notion and I do not think it becomes the Khalsa Panth.

I was mocking the way how people beat up "fake holy men" and then post it on facebook and youtube

[Kira]

For sure I will when I find it. I have it on my old phone when Bhai Sukha Singh was here locally. He did a little katha and I had recorded it.

I don't remember it all so I couldn't do justice. Will PM you and post here when I get it.

Thank you :D