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Dear All,

 

I have received this email from a group called "Sikhs helping Sikhs." It is a statement purported to be written by Lord Indarjit Singh. If it is true and it is his own statement, then this is one guy we need to keep an eye on. He is "up there" in government and had a lot of influence on Sikh matters in the UK, upto the point of being involved in formulating Sikh religious studies syllabus.

If this is still the case, we should not have people like him in such positions.

The email:

 

To the Gurdwara
Boards East Africa & other Sikhs concerned about recent pronoucements
of Sikh Jathedhars on the Dasam Granth 
I humbly
request you to consider the points mentioned below:  
Thanks
Indarjit
Lord Singh of Wimbledon
A.
Please state which, if any, of the following statements is
incorrect:
1. There were many challenges to the Gurus and
their teaching during the lifetime of the Gurus.
2. When Guru Gobind
Singh added the compositions of Guru Teg Bahadhur to the Adi Granth, he
deliberately excluded any verses that he may have written himself.
3.
Guru Gobind Singh, aware of the danger of different sants, babas and cults
diverting or distorting the Gurus’ teachings, decreed that the Adi
Granth with the addition of Guru Teg Bahadhur’s verses,were complete
in themselves and would henceforth be referred to as the Guru Granth
Sahib,
4. In 1708, Guru Gobind Singh formerly installed the Guru
Granth Sahib as complete and sole guidance for all Sikhs. [Guru manio
Granth]
5. In a verse following our Ardas, the above sentiment is put
as an edict, or hukum, binding on all Sikhs.
6. To accord other
writings or scriptures equal reverence to the Guru Granth Sahib, would be a
betrayal of the above mentioned hukum. 
7. The opening words of the
Guru Granth Sahib remind us that there is only one Supreme Being. This is a
clear rejection of the Hindu belief in a of a pantheon of gods and
goddesses.
8. More than one third of the writings of the Dasam Granth
involve the exploits and praise of various Hindu deities.
9.
Another third of the Dasam Granth involves the denigration of women and
the ‘wiles’ of women, often in stark pornographic terms-in
complete contradiction of Sikh teachings of dignity and complete
equality.
10. The Dasam Granth was compiled by Hindu Brahmins from a
variety of writings at least 50 years after Guru Gobind Singh.
11. A
small proportion of the verses in the Dasam Granth are in general
consonance with the teachings of the Guru Granth Sahib and could be lost
writings of Guru Gobind Singh.
12. In 1930’s and early
1940’s, a committee of renowned Sikh scholars, after much
consultation and analysis, agreed that these banis, listed in the 1945 Sikh
Reyat Maryada, should be included in Sikh worship. The rest of the
misleadingly and mischievously titled Dasam Granth was unceremoniously
rejected as wholly contrary to Sikh teaching.  

Authority in
Sikhism
As per Guru Gobind Singh’s hukum, all
religious guidance is vested in the Guru Granth Sahib alone. No person has
any authority to issue any edict or hukum that is not in consonance with
the Gurus teachings as contained in the Guru Granth Sahib. 
Origin of
Jathedhars. 
During the Missl period, leaders of the groups or Jathas
would meet at the Akal Takhat or other venue, to agree policies to meet
common external threats. The leaders or spokespeople, had no spiritual
authority. All decisions had to be in consonance with the Gurus’
teachings.
In the 20s, the newly formed SGPC appointed managers of the
main centres of Sikhism(Takhts) who became known as Jathedhars. Before
their appointment the Secretary of the SGPC would only test their
proficiency in reading the Guru Granth Sahib.
Todays Jathedhars
In recent years, the SGPC has itself become politicized and controlled by
people who show again and again, a greater un-Sikh-like devotion to the
pursuit of wealth and power than to living and promoting the Gurus
teachings.
Today’s Jathedhars are appointed for their loyalty to
political masters rather than to the Gurus teachings. The title Jathedhar
appears to have gone to the heads of some. In a visit to England, one
repeatedly asked me to introduce him as ‘the Pope of the Sikhs.
Something I refused to do. Another wrote to the British Museum insultingly
stating that Sikh teachings were superior to others. All too often, they
use Catholic terminology like ‘excommunication’, (literally
banned from drinking communion wine!), to threaten those that disagree with
them. There are other examples.  
Recent ‘Edicts’
against the Global Sikh Council (GSC)
The GSC has rightly
expressed its concerns over attempts to dilute and distort Sikh teachings
by the BJP by the introduction of the Dasam Granth into Sikh theology, with
its eulogising of Hindu gods and goddesses and its denigration of women, as
described above. Sikhs should ask themselves what was the Punjab
Governments motive in producing and distributing thousands of copies of the
Dasam Granth at a cost of crores of rupees?


Suggestion
Jathedhars who promote the Dasam Granth,
and even absurdly seek to place it on a par with the Guru Granth Sahib, at
best display a gross ignorance of Sikhism, or worse, are enemies of the
Panth and should be exposed as such by all Sikhs, along with their
political paymasters.  
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Dasam Granth isn't there to replace Guru Sahib, why do missionaries get this false notion that Dasam Granth is there to compete with Guru Sahib? This would be akin to old Sikhs saying that Baba Buddha was competing with Guru Sahib, even though such a transaction wasn't true at all. Lord Singh may have done some good in his personal life for the Sikh community; however, in terms of Sikhi, he fails to assist us in any way.

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Has this Lord had a brain surgery recently? Because how can a Sikh write such heretical things which are FULL of anti Sikh ignorance on the bani of Guru Gobind Singh ji.

 

And this isn't the first time he has taken such Manmat filled anti Sikh stance. Not too long ago there was a Singh in jail due to him fighting Muslims who groom Sikh girls. This Singh was a bibeki who followed some strict dietary bibek. Instead of supporting him, Lord "Singh" issues one of his anti Sikh statements saying how this bibeki Singh is not following true Sikhi. 

 

Why oh why are we always stuck with worthless leaders. On the other hand look at that Mirpuri, Lord Nazir. He always supports any Muslim related issue.

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3 hours ago, chatanga said:

Recent ‘Edicts’ against the Global Sikh Council (GSC)

 

This GSC is a collection of sikh bodies from all around the world. Their UK affiliate is the Network of Sikh Organisations of which this Lord Singh is the head, and his wife, Kanwarjit Kaur is the vice principal of the GSC. They are all in it together.

http://www.globalsikhcouncil.org/about-us/

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I heard damdami taksal will be doing katha of chandi di vaar at bangla sahib. Please tune in as bangla sahib as international tv and radio channels. I think education is the only way to avoid another split in the panth. We have to step up our efforts before the dasam granth issue becomes as polarizing as the raag mala issue. So plz spread the word about the katha and listen to it urselves. Im sure it will eliminate doubts in ppls minds that chandi di vaar is devi puja. The anti dasam granth ppl have such good arguments, they play on sikh fears about devi puja and pornography. We need solid, one liner arguments back, that proof them wrong

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4 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

I heard damdami taksal will be doing katha of chandi di vaar at bangla sahib.

Yes, the taksal has started to do katha in Delhi Gurdwaras over the last few months. let's hope they can start to undue some of the damage the missionaries have done.

 

4 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

The anti dasam granth ppl have such good arguments,

They don't have good arguments. As you have said thye manipulate peoples fears. Thier arguments haven't changed since the 1920s.

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Beautiful response by Kamalroop Singh Nihang

This is a statement by Indarjit Singh about the Sri Dasam Granth Sahib sent out on social media, I have replied to the points he has listed below.

To the Gurdwara Boards East Africa &  other Sikhs  concerned about recent pronoucements of Sikh Jathedhars on the Dasam Granth
I humbly request you to consider the points mentioned below:
Thanks
Indarjit
Lord Singh of Wimbledon

A. Please state which, if any, of the following statements is  incorrect:
1. There were many challenges to the Gurus and their teaching during the lifetime of the Gurus.

There were but the Guru Khalsa Panth has always known what their Guru's wrote as is clear from 18th and 19th century Sikh literature, all of which quote from the Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, as Sri Mukhvak.

2. When Guru Gobind Singh added the compositions of Guru Teg Bahadhur to the Adi Granth, he deliberately excluded any verses that he may have written himself.

The contents of the Sri Dasam Granth Sahib by Guru Gobind Singh are not for Bhakti like the Adi Sri Guru Granth Sahib is, according to Chhibbar the Guru said '[the Dasam Granth Sahib] is my play or khed, and hence why I have not included it in'.

3. Guru Gobind Singh, aware of the danger of different sants, babas and cults diverting or distorting the Gurus’ teachings, decreed that the Adi Granth with the addition of Guru Teg Bahadhur’s verses,were complete in themselves and would henceforth be referred to as the Guru Granth Sahib,

Nobody disputes that Adi Sri Guru Granth Sahib is the Guru, but to say Sikhs have only one scripture and all things can be drawn from that scripture is absurd. That excludes the nitnem, ardas, history, and other such important Sikh principles, including the 5 Ks.

4. In 1708, Guru Gobind Singh formerly installed the Guru Granth Sahib as complete and sole guidance for all Sikhs. [Guru manio Granth]

The same history that records this momentous event also refers to shabads of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib throughout it, eg Panth Parkash, Giani Gian Singh, from which 'agia bhe akal ki' comes from. 

5. In a verse following our Ardas, the above sentiment is put as an edict, or hukum, binding on all Sikhs.

This is not from the Guru Granth Sahib but from the above text, which quotes heavily from the Dasam Granth Sahib. If you say it is inaccurate then you also bring into question the gaddi to Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

6. To accord other writings or scriptures equal reverence to the Guru Granth Sahib, would be a betrayal of the above mentioned hukum.

Again its your own paranoia that anyone says they are equal, parkash of Dasam Granth Sahib is always lower than Adi Guru Granth Sahib Ji. 

7. The opening words of the Guru Granth Sahib remind us that there is only one Supreme Being. This is a clear rejection of the Hindu belief in a of a pantheon of gods and goddesses.

The same theme is found throughout Sri Dasam Granth Sahib.

8. More than one third of the writings of the Dasam Granth involve the exploits and praise of various Hindu deities.

How did you expect the Guru to inspire the common Hindu to take up arms against the Moghuls? Guru Granth Sahib is also full of mythological references. Infact the second word is Sanskrit - Oankar....

9. Another third of the Dasam Granth involves the denigration of women and the ‘wiles’ of women, often in stark pornographic terms-in complete contradiction of Sikh teachings of dignity and complete equality.

That is how you might see it, but in fact Chaupai Sahib comes from this. There are tales in it from the Bible, Torah, Qur'an, Hitupdesh, Purans, Alif-Laila and so on. Over 50 are about the bravery of women, like the Queen of Holland, and another 50 are about the weaknesses of men.

10. The Dasam Granth was compiled by Hindu Brahmins from a variety of writings at least 50 years after Guru Gobind Singh.

Please provide the historical evidence and manuscript evidence here.

11. A small proportion of the verses in the Dasam Granth are in general consonance with the teachings of the Guru Granth Sahib and could be lost writings of Guru Gobind Singh.

Please provide the evidence as above. This view was given by the infamous tout of the British, Teja Singh of Bhasauria who died tankhiayah from the Khalsa panth. See Dasam Granth Nirnaya (1919).

12. In 1930’s and early 1940’s, a committee of renowned Sikh scholars, after much consultation and analysis, agreed that these banis, listed in the 1945 Sikh Reyat Maryada, should be included in Sikh worship. The rest of the misleadingly and mischievously titled Dasam Granth was unceremoniously rejected as wholly contrary to Sikh teaching.  

This is completely untrue, in fact the Sri Akal Takht Sahib in 1898 printed the complete bani, and has celebrated it ever since.

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