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Since when nirmale work became anti panthic sources? May be you should open your singh sabha box a bit and smell a sungundhi of guru maharaj garden he planted. Sikhi does not start from singh sabha lehar surely does not end with singh sabha lehar. If you want take out nirmale work then panth have no history to take inspiration from before singh sabha movement. Gurpartap Soraj Parkash granth is one of few historic granths which is first thing taught in samparda's like damdami taksal both mehta and bhindranwale is written by no other than a nirmala- kavi santokh singh who was a student of bhai santa singh nirmal scholar. Faridkot teeka of sri guru granth sahib ji is written by nirmala scholars, very first sri dasam granth sampooran teeka written by nirmala pandit narian singh which is widely appreciated by the panth, new jathas including akj members- kulbir singh quote them from time to time. To read more on nirmale orgins, contributions to the panth, please read stuff by tsingh on sikhawareness forum. One will learn thing or two with only open mind, this order is highly enrich and requires more than few post to understand them especially their bhek. One cannot judge them by wearing googles of tat khalsa. Nimala history pervades much of Sikhi's past; exegetical, philosophical, dharmic/aatmic vidya, yog abhyaas, shaastrarth, raag vidya, ayurvedic vidya...Just an quick overview that many recent influential panthic figures were Nirmale or educated by Nirmale such as Sant Attar Singh Mustuana, Sant Baba Nand Singh ji (Nanaksarvale), Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale, Sant Sundar Singh Bhindranwale, Baba Jagjit Singh Herkhowal, Baba Jwala Singh Herkhowal, Sant Mukhtiar Singh Saarang, Sant Bishan Singh Muralewale...a few more famous historical Nirmale; Sant Ishar Singh ji Rarasahib, Baba Bir Singh Naurangabd, Baba Sahib Singh Bedi, Baba Karam Singh Hoti Mardan.... Would there be much Sikh history if it weren't for the work of Nirmala scholars like Gyani Gyan Singh ji works and Kavi Santokh Singh ji- soraj parkash granth? Sant sunder singh ji bhindranwale link with nirmale: Sri Maan Baba Sundar Singh ji took gian from Udasi and Nirmala Mahapurukhs, even bathing Jawala Das Udasi with his own hands to get knowledge of God, Baba Sundar Singh ji never discriminated or compartmentalized others like this he was so thirsty for brahmgyan he went wherever it was to be gained, he learnt from Baba Ram ji Udasi, Baba Gulab Singh Nirmala and Sri Maan Baba Bishan Singh ji Nirmala who was his Gurdev! Baba Bishan Singh ji travelled to Badree Nath and learnt Sanskrit from Pandit Tara Singh for 9 years--this is from Damdami Taksals own website--who are we with our Khlasa Utopian self-righteousness to question the ways of brahmgianis when our own forefathers were more open-minded than us. Are these Nirmale and Udasis good enough to instruct Sri Maan Baba Sunder Singh, but not good enough to be considered Sampardais when Guru Nanak Sahib and Guru Gobind Singh blessed both of these Sampardais? first sant attar singh ji maustanewale link with nirmale Sant nand singh ji kalera link with nirmale If it weren't for sant khalsa nirmale yudhas and tyagi-bairaagi nirmale scholars parchar in picture bottom along with other puratan samparda's like- nihangs and udasis, you would be sullah with your willy circumcised or you would be ganja with a tilak on your forehead and you won't be able to sit on leather chair at the moment and brag about contributions of singh sabha lehar. It easy sit on a computer, claim others anti-panthic without studying any contributions. No group is perfect in the khalsa panth, every group has their own malech/bad apples, but its wrong to brush them all anti-panthic because of mistakes of few.1 point
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I m not asking you to believe in it. Thats how i understood it from mahapursh katha's and books. Please help me understand, Can you please draw an alternative diagram to counter my diagram?-1 points
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There are two ways of looking at this, one is from historical point of view which is through sakhi from ithashik granths and from spiritual aspect. I won't discuss the historical aspect as its already been discussed but from spiritual point of view, i don't see whats the issue? I think most of us are comfortable and agree with the fact, shakti from akaal purkh was pargat by sri guru gobind singh ji. We are arguing over which form of shakti was pargat(sargun) at the first place, may i ask why does that matter? why does it concern each of us? Be assured it came from nirgun vahiguroo not came from satan (does not exist). Nirgun vahiguroo does not need approval certificate from mere mortals like us who are still stuck at cham dristhi which form shall it use? It can use any form of shakti it wishes whether in form of narsingha(looks kinda hindu by picture)) to destroy harnakash, thunder, parkash, devi or shakti of vahiguroo transcedent itself into bhaugati. Opps did i just say devi feminine? God forbid, it all comes down debate over historical figure as its already used by hindu dharam. Thats where everyone is stuck. Guys this whole debate is non issue. One does not need to be insecure, if indeed devi was pargat by satguru or bhaugati - its a driving force- shakti that matters whether in any form that does not. Sargun are pretty much part of nirgun. Gurmat is free from duality. Fine just for sake of security, let just say shakti in form of thunder or parkash or sword was pargat. Fine then we have counter argument over rss claim that devi was pargat and satguru was upasakh of devi. All safe and sound?? Not really, an aborginal group or old greeks can very much claim that sri guru gobind singh ji was upasakh of parkash, nature one of their demi god as aborginals themselves have gods for nature. Our insecure mindset are stuck again. How far can we run in insecurity? I say we got it all wrong. If rss claim devi was pargat by sri guru gobind singh ji?. We need to say we don't give two shits about it, nirgun shakti can take any form and they don't have ownership over nirgun vahiguroo and its form, use their own scriptures to prove it instead of rejecting an possibility in insecurity. If rss claim satguru ji was upasakh of devi, well job easy there are plenty quotes already posted by members and others debunking the whole theory about it from sri dasam granth and sri guru granth sahib ji. I truly believe shakti of akaal purkh was pargat by sri guru gobind singh ji i really don't care in which form of shakti. Because, I think its totally irrelevant as source is nirgun vahiguroo. Thats my take on it...!-1 points