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The Sikh Federation (UK) Slough branch is holding an Akhand Paath to pay tribute to Shaheed Harjinder Singh Jinda and Shaheed Sukhdev Singh Sukha. Akhand Paath starts Friday 8 October with the Bhog on Sunday 10 October at 10am. Kirtan, Katha and Jago Wale will be taking part after the Bhog. Sikh Federation Slough branch will also be making a contribution to a memorial for those disappeared and highlighted by Shaheed Jaswant Singh Khalra that will be presented by the local MP Fiona Mactaggart. See attached advert appearing in the press. Promo also on Sikh Channel. The Sikh Federation (UK) are holding similar events in the NORTH: Newcastle and MIDLANDS: Leicester. An advert is also in Ajit online for all three events. Jinda+Sukha.pdf

you brought the life of sikhsangat with you. it was so quiet without you, bhena ji

So i wanted to ask, ive not been back 24 hours yet, but do u think sikhsangat has progressed on its loudness level??? not that im saying i did it but ....yeahhhh i want pjs veerji's shardaiii...he hasnt given me sum for months looks like i should chase him around again sumtiems soon lol

In Hinduism people worship idols, keep fast, worship demi gods and goddesses, consider taking bath in Ganga as holy acts, read Vedas and other books, wear janeu, indulge in empty rituals etc, all of which is rejected in Gurbani. If a Hindu was to follow Gurbani he will have to renounce everything he is required to do in Hinduism. It is simply an irrational statement to say that Gurbani tells Hindus to renounce their rituals but not religion. What is left of Hinduism without these rituals? What is left of Islam without fast, hajj, circumcision, five prayers, judgment day, halal etc which are rejected in Gurbani? Had you understood Gurbani you would not have made any senseless statements. I can certainly provide quotes from Gurbani that reject the above stated practices and ceremonies of Hinduism and Islam. Just let me know for which you want the quotes specifically. Provide any one Shabad which advises Hindus and Muslims to follow their respective religions and scriptures. This will be your evidence which you have not provided yet. So far you have been beating around the bush by providing irrelevant quotes which do not support your claims. There is a big difference between asking and telling. Is Guru Sahib asking (requesting) us to follow him in Gurbani or giving us hukams? Guru Sahib went to holy places of Hindus to tell them the futility of visiting such places which clearly means he was rejecting their religious practices. You are saying that Guru Sahib told people to renounce false rituals but these rituals were and still are part of their religion so what is a religion without any practices? How could Guru Sahib “ask” Hindus to renounce their religious practices but not religion? You need to make more sense. Guru Sahib didn’t roam around to give out advice but as Bhai Gurdas Ji says “Chareya Sodhan Dharat Lukayee”. Contemplate on this pauri for better understanding. On one hand you state that Guru Sahib wanted people to do good deeds but the quote you provided says that the entire world is engrossed in good and bad deeds but God’s devotee is above them. The quote actually refutes your own arguments not supports them. Also, what is good? Is good in Gurmat the same in Islam and Hinduism? Absolutely not. Guru Sahib didn’t preach idol worship as a good act but an act of blindness. So what you are saying is that a person who is not Amritdhari is a Sikh. This is false and has no basis in Gurmat. Without Amrit no one is a Sikh because this is the way to get Naam from Satguru. In Gurmat taking Amrit means becoming a Sikh. It is the first step. This has been discussed before so do a search and read them first before writing the same old arguments. Again, don’t comment on something you have not read. You are making false assumptions. Had you read a little bit of Quran and Vedas you would’ve realized that they do not support Gurmat viewpoint. Is our history not enough of a proof? Aurangzeb’s policy was the influence of Naqashbandi order which started with Sheikh Sirhindi. The policy towards non-Muslims comes from Quran. Here are few quotes from Quran about non-Muslims. "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers." (5:51) "Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (48:29) "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and pay the alms-tax, let them go their way. Allah is forgiving and merciful." (9:5) And slay them (the infidels) wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. (2:193) "O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (9:73) "In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (8:37) Gurbani teaches us that there is one Satguru (Guru Nanak Sahib) in the world. Naam is obtained from Satguru. Without Naam no one can be saved. This means only Gurmat is the true path since Mohammad and Hindu avtars were not and are not considered Satguru. They also did not give out Naam. Gurbani is not an instructional manual. You need to study it to understand the gist of it. It won’t say “Adopt Gurmat” but it will go in-depth to explain the true path, its practices and how to become a true Sikh. Gurbani defines Gurmat and all definitions of Muslim, Pandit, Brahmin, Mullah etc are synonymous with definition of a Gursikh. Gurmat is a distinct and unique path. It was started because other religions did not offer true salvation and had fogged the truth. Hence, they were incomplete. Guru Sahib preached the true path not just another way to reach God. Those who do not understand and practice Gurbani can never understand this fact. Do not copy paste Shabads with false English translation. It doesn’t add any credibility to your posts. The Shabad you posted has already been explained here: http://searchsikhism.com/islam1.html Guru Rakha

GPS Ji, you have not provided a single shred of evidence from Gurbani, Vaars and Kabits to back up your claims. You also failed to refute the arguments put forth by others. Your statement that Guru Sahib never “asked” anyone to change religion is seriously an insulting comment towards the Gurus. Verb ‘ask’ means to make a request. Certainly, Guru Sahib never requested anyone to become a Sikh. Rather he preached Gurmat which inspired people to adopt Gurmat. People didn’t just wake up one morning and decided to become Sikhs “on their own”. It was the result of missionary work carried out by the Gurus and the Sikhs. Word “missionary” is used for a person who undertakes a mission especially a religious mission. Guru Nanak Sahib in his own hymns states that he was given the divine mission to preach. Bhai Gurdas Ji narrates the same incident. Nowhere in Gurbani is it stated that a person should follow their respective religion strictly. In fact, the word Hindu is not even redefined in Gurbani whereas words Pandit, Brahmin, Muslim, Sheikh, Yogi, Sanyasi, Mullah, Qazi etc are defined according to Gurmat. Guru Sahib never asked anyone but rather told everyone to follow Gurmat (the true path). He told Sajjan thug to become a true Sajjan and even composed a Shabad (Ujjal Kaiha Chilkana..). He wasn’t asking but telling him to renounce his false activities and follow the true path, a path which Guru Sahib preached not the one in Vedas or Puranas. He told Siddhas that they were wrong. He told Hindus in Hardawar, Ayodheya, Tanda etc that they were wrong. He told Muslims in Mecca that they were wrong. Guru Gobind Singh Ji told hill kings to take Amrit but when they requested a separate Amrit Sanchaar for themselves Guru Sahib refused. So the point is, missionary work had a clear purpose which was to preach Gurmat so that people would be motivated to become Sikhs. Gurbani is full of Guru’s Hukam (not requests) which applies to everyone. Hence, Gurbani is telling people to renounce their false religions. Gurbani clearly rejects Islam and Hinduism and so does Dasam Granth. Coming to Sant Jarnail Singh Ji, he himself said in his own speeches that he administered Amrit to 10,000 people in a day. Again, he repeatedly told everyone especially the youth to become Amritdharis meaning to become Sikhs. Why he said Hindu should be a true Hindu and a Muslim should be a true Muslim is best known to him. Maybe for political reasons or maybe he meant they should be true according to Gurbani. You told me in another topic that unless one has read the scripture they should not comment on it so why are you commenting on Islam without ever having read Quran and Hadiths? Quran clearly tells Muslims to suppress non-Muslims and force them to convert. Aurangzeb followed Islam to the core and so did Jahangir. Try comparing definition of a Muslim in Quran to Gurbani and see the difference yourself. There is not a single verse in Gurbani that tells Muslims to follow Islam. Again, missionary work is not wrong but methods to carry out this work could be wrong. There is nothing wrong in preaching and telling others to become Sikhs but if we use the same methods as Muslims or Christians then certainly we will be wrong. Unless you provide some credible evidence from Gurbani that we shouldn’t preach Gurmat, your statements will only be counted as personal opinions and not facts. Guru Rakha

If after hearing Sri Gurujis clear cut Hukam regarding this issue you still want to play with semantics to feed your ego, go ahead and carry on with this manmatt. Baaki, 'Karmi Aapo Aapni..', right?

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You don't need to explain anything to anyone. Sometimes family members don't understand. Just make sure you are not giving across a wrong message that you are becoming a religious fanatic and consider them inferior. Nimarta is the core of GurSikhi, and so no matter what, always practice humility. Family members are the hardest to convince, so don't waste time and energy trying to convince them about anything. However, do talk to them about how you are feeling and that you find Sikhi as a blessing, that the norms of society don't appeal to you anymore, but always remember and I repeat, pass a wrong message that you are becoming a religious fanatic and consider them inferior. If they understand, they will be proud of you. If not, then don't worry and carry on. Main thing is NOT to look back. This could be Vaheguroo jee testing your sidak, as to how pakkee you are. Telling them stories, giving examples and suggestions is a good idea, but it may not always work. They will always see you as their daughter and will always feel they know more/better. At the end of the day, leave it to Gurujee and He will take care of you. Once you take Amrit, you are totally His responsibility and you got nothing at all to worry about. Nothing happens overnight. Sometimes parents freak out when they see their kids going on the path towards spirituality. It takes a while for them to get used to it and accept you. But deep down they are glad they you didn't choose a wrong path. So give yourself time to grow and develop on this path of GurSikhi you've embarked upon. Give them time to realize what you feel and time to accept you. And finally, give them a chance to be proud of you.

What can you expect, Sikh people sprung around a region where caste heavily influenced your mobility in society. Aryans brought not only their rituals but also ideals about the socio-structure of a group of people, thus forms of what we call 'caste' today formed, such as the Hindu: Jati and Varna system, and arguably the Islamic system of Ashraf and Ajlaf which is mostly has implications in the indian sub-contienent. Becuase India as a whole has mostly displayed syncretism; it's evident that the Sikhs would adopt such schools of thought from others. As much as people want to argue how wrong it is and how its against Sikhism, the fact is that it has been a part of the Sikh culture for so long that it's considered normal to display ones caste. What we can be hopeful for is that this is slowly losing foothold in western countries, just as the Jajamani System has been on the decline in India.