Leaderboard

He never called Dassan Das a guru: Now I've already said what I had to say if you can't back the claims you've made ie, tell the sangat where you got the proof that Darshan Das did these things other than from a game of chinese whispers then how can I listen to your claims? I have not followed Darshan Das but personal claims like these must be backed up, period otherwise they cannot be taken seriously. I'm not taking sides, I just don't listen to accusations which are not backed up. In regards to religions, like ive already said, an enlightened being holds the knowledge of how to acheieve the same state they are in (As does one bestowed with divine knowledge of how to acheive enlightenment/ of god) . Why would he/she deny his followers that same knowledge or message portrayed by god in the religion they have made? That would not make sense. An enlightened soul is an example to humanity and their teachings hold the key to enlightenment. Read up on hinduism, christianity and Islam and Buddhism abit more. Understand what enlightenment is and the religions descriptions of the lord and you'll understand. Now thats something you WILL find on the internet! (p.s I have already said most religions have been very corrupted over time, but I'm talking about the main aim, you'll get the gist of it and see the similarities) p.s thank for washing away my sins with the slander, you sank pretty low in your last post about Japji Sahib Ji and trying to put me in the same category as Indira (woman who murdered my family members) and moghuls (who killed my beloved Gurus without whom I would not be able to breathe.) I've got love for you, god bless you.

You obv cannot read posts properly, he said only GOD can judge him. Alot of people have been wrongfully judged, our Gurus were judged by moghuls and killed, our sikhs were judged by Indira Gandhi and killed, sikhs judged guru Gobind Singh Ji and turned their backs on him. Witch hunts have existed since the dawn of humans and within the sikh community, sikhs have gone so far as to betray gods most holy creation, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji so do not try and back your argument with an example like this. I have done a search of it and have not found a single shred of evidence. Evidence is never hard to dig up, witnesses should still be available now, police or court statements, newspaper clippings, and I have not found a single copy on the net when there are clippings from the 30's still put online. Now you are the one making slandering comments so make an effort to back up your points before making an accusation, if you can't do that then be quiet. And no I'm laughing at you because a religion that actually believes in the one true god will understand that the aim is union ie. enlightenment. Belief in god is knowing his qualities and the only way to know this is through enlightenment. If a religion thinks gods just some guy chilling up in some upper realm and that the main purpose is to get to heaven they don't actually believe in god because thats not who he is. Enlightenment leads to true belief in god because only when we are enlightened only then do we truly know who god is. Therefore true belief can only come through enlightenment and the enlightened beings who have formed these truthful religions (many of which have been corrupted over time although the core remains the same, although a person who loves god will intuitively understand the true parts of these religions). Thats why its so important to have an enlightened being, a guru or saint to teach as a person cannot believe of their own accord (unless they recieve guidance divinely.)

Dear only five, no offence but your arguments are weak even though you have tried to thoroughly disect my posts above....I asked for evidence but nothing could be shown to back up your false claims as Sikhism was never slandered. You asked me above, where am I getting all this information from? Anything I have written is openly taught in Darshan Das Ji's spiritual discourses so not really top secret information. His followers are taught to be good humans. So if your Hindu be a good Hindu, if your Sikh be a good Sikh etc ... There is nothing wrong with Darshan Das Ji's approach which encourages us to live under one umbrella that is Humanity. I have no doubts in my heart or mind about my beliefs and neither am I niave. I am very content within my spiritual life and like I said the Almighty is the only One that can judge me. Tanraj

I would also like to see evidence that he classed himself an equal to Guru Nanak Dev Ji or Guru Granth Sahib Ji and evidence of the other things he was accused of. I have seen too many witch hunts in my time and have been hurt to see inncoent people slandered so I want to see evidence before I make a decision. I'm sick of chinese whispers, where are the court cases, and the videos and actual witnesses? Lol the aim of all religions that believe in the true one god is to achieve union with him.

GPS, I believe it essentially boils down to spirituality and that spirituality is the true path to the Almighty not 'religion'. All religions have the same ultimate aim at the end of the day - God and whether we recite Allah, Ram or Waheguru etc - we will all end up as one with our Supreme via a true spiritual path. Darshan das Ji's following includes Sikhs, hindus, Muslims and Christians who for there own reasons enjoy Darshan Das Ji's spiritual approach. Darshan das Ji's teachings are in essence teaching me how to be a better spiritual human being to reach my spiritual goal. You may have a different thought on this but that doesn't make me right and you wrong and vice versa. I don't want to upset or offend other members in this thread with my approach but feel that I have a right to defend my belief, just like others have done so. The Almighty Nanak is the true Judge and I will leave it that. Nanak naam Chardi kala Tere bhane sarbat da bhala peace xxx

thanks only five couldn't have said it better myself.

Throwing around the word Sant and attaching it to every person that has more knowledge than another is very misleading. A Sant's knowledge and jeevan stand on their own and don't need to be compared to another. But another issue that is rising now is that pseudo Sikhs that have a chemistry, physics, business, etc PHD are claiming to be Sikh Scholars. They attach Dr., Prof, etc to their names and make it look as if they are a Sants as well. Infact these individuals believe they are much higher than a Sant on their jeevan and understanding of Sikhi. We say a lot of these pseudo doctors and professors arise with their ignorant knowledge on Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji Maharaj and they had a huge influence in swaying people in not believe in Guru Sahib Bani.

Everytime a katha or keertan cd is out or a baba is coming to do katha. He always seems to have a big title infront of there name. and as for the gurbani quote above i hope you don't think im slandering any sants, because its just a question i had. But i think we need to be watchful when someone without jap or tap is having such titles infront of there names. Also who gives these titles out anyways.

What hidden agenda? Watch the video again, I have clearly stated that this was filmed in 2006. Sorry if I got the address wrong, however I have not got the issue wrong. Dont start to play the sympathy card that people have a hidden agenda towards your gurdwara. You have confirmed yourself that the community centre/party hall, which is part of the Gurdwara estate, allows meat and alcohol. This is in direct violation to Akal Takht Maryada and Sandesh 2006. Sandesh issued by Sri Akal Takht Sahib - April 2006. As the Sikhs’ supreme authority, Sri Akal Takht Sahib has voiced its concerns by issuing a new 'Sandesh' strongly reinforcing Sikh Rehit Maryada (Sikh Code of Conduct) and Gurmat (Sikh principles) on the following issues: • Any form of intoxicants (alcohol, drugs etc) and preparation or consumption of foods such as meat, fish and eggs are not permitted on Gurdwara property. • Guru-ka-Langar should be prepared and observed in accordance to Gurus' maryada (tradition). • No person under the influence of intoxicants is allowed inside Gurdwara property. • Inside the property of the Guru Sahibs, only the recital of Gurbani, katha, kirtan and reccounting of the Gurus' history are permitted. • Buildings bought or constructed using the Daswand (one tenth of earnings) of the Sikh Sangat or Gurdwara donations are solely to be used to be used for Gurmat purposes and the betterment of society. • Anand Karajs (Sikh wedding ceremonies) etc must be performed in Gurdwaras in accordance to Gurmat and the Panthic accepted Sikh Rehit Maryada. • There is no permission granted for dancing and singing or any acts which go against the principles of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Darshan Das was not a Guru. Though he claimed to be one You cannot compare him to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. He was a fake and he disrespected the Sikh Panth. Dhan Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj openly told the Muslims, jains, Hindus, etc they were practicing pointless rituals. Darshan Das should have done the same instead of hiding in his huts, preaching against Sikhi. Either way Sikhs found out about his slander and took care of him. Sikhs are not one to oppress anyone for their beliefs. If the persons beliefs slander or oppress another religion, including our own, then expect to be answered with strong written actions first and if they don't listen, then expect the sword. I have no problem showing the true color of Darshan Das. If your offended by it, then instead of lying on this site. Be truthful and why should i believe anything you write? Like you said don't believe everything you read.

Who told you that all religions have the same aim? Show us where you are getting all this from? How can the above be? When Sikhs follow the Shabad Guru, and not Darshan Das. So they are the Sikh of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. Same goes with the rest, they follow their own teachings. What you meant to say is that Darshan Das created his own religion and naive people from Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, and Sikhi came to be followers of Darshan Das. So they are not Sikhs or Muslims, etc anymore, but are followers of Darshan Das. Believe whatever you want. Sikhis won't knock them down, but we will call you out on your beliefs when you refer to our beliefs and lower them or slander them in any way. Which you did in this post so I took the opportunity to write on them. Defend all you like, but that won't get you anywhere, other than sent back to your cult, with a million doubts about your Darshan Das and current leader(s).

Do a search on it. This was happening in the end of 1970s to 80s, so its hard to get a video of it and verbal statements were enough back then. Present the proof that they all lead to the uion of God. You should be laufhing at yourself, whose unable to present any valid point stating why.

Darshan Das also openly taught slander of Sikhi in is huts. So not really top secret information. You don't have the answers to my questions. Go run to your cult leaders, get the false answers and then come back here, so they can be sent back to them as dust. The slander of Sikhi is what approach this cult took up. Your almighty Darshan Das has been judged himself and is receiving his punishment, so how can he be the judge of humanity? Enjoy the rest of your day

Are the lions Bhai Rajinder Singh & Bhai Manjit Singh out of jail yet??? - Heroes of Modern Day Sikhism ,Great Sikhs

You obviously know nothing about Gurbani. Tanraj, refers to Darshan Das as his true Guru and follows his teachings. Tanraj say God can only judge me, which translates into whatever Darshan Das taught is true and his teachings are the judge of humanity. So this makes Darshan Das for Tanraj the Almighty. For that i said and will repeat for you: Your almighty Darshan Das has been judged himself and is receiving his punishment, so how can he be the judge of humanity? Tell me how much Gurbani have you read in your life. The above tells me you have not even read Sri Japji Sahib ji and contemplated over it for one second. I have said before in my post that the Khalsa Panth SENT Darshan Das to be judged by Dharma Raj and he is recieving the punishment from the Jamdooth. The bullets in his body was the easy way out of his slander of Gurbani. The true punishment is recieved at the hands of the Jamdooth. Bhai Rajinder Singh and Bhai Manjit Singh are true Singhs for delivering a Guru ka nindak to his destiny. These angels of death did their job. These angels of death are glorified by the Khalsa Panth and always will be. Ignorant people like you will not change the Khalsa Panth's stand on this event. People like moghuls and indira Gandhi and Tanraj and yours judgements are worthless and don't count for anything. Then search harder for the court records of Darshan Das killing and why the two Singh delivered him to the Jamdooth. Again your judgement amounts to nothing here. The Khalsa Panth is well aware of Darshan Das and his slander. Tanraj said all religions have the same ultimate aim. This is where this whole discussion started. And now your changing what was originally said to favor Tanraj. I asked him to show me proof that all religions have the same aim, but he has not provided anything. You his guardian angel have not even understood what he has said and then gone off to say the above. You blame others for not understanding post, but it's you who can't do the simple task. Read Tanraj post again, where he say all religions have the same aim and then come back and write something. Hinduism aim is to take a person out of the cycle of birth and death, Islam aim is to take a person to Paradise, Christianity aim is to take a person to heaven, etc. None of them take you to Sri Waheguru ji They all take a person to a lower realm. The aim of every religions is different. Darshan Das was no enlightened being.