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Bhagat Kabir Ji Maharaj can never be refered to as Satguru...............just like how a Sant can't be refered to as Satguru. Bhai Gurdas Ji's Vaars were to be put in Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj, so do we call Bhai Sahib, as Satguru as well???? No! Never because Satguru is title given only to the 11 Gurus. Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj also corrected Bhagat Kabir Ji Maharaj where he was wrong. Satguru is never wrong...........this is one difference that clearly shows the difference. Bhatt Bani is also in Satguru, so do we refer to them as Satguru???? Bhagat Kabir Ji Maharaj became one with Akal Purakh, but Satguru never called Bhagat ji, Satguru. They are still Bhagats, just like how Sants who are jivan mukht are still Sants.

If you have an urge to become Amrithdari, then you shouldn't be doing anything physical with your wife to be.

Thank you mods for correcting the heading of this post. BHAGAT KABIR JI DE JANAM DIVAS DIYAAN SIKH SANGAT NU LAKH LAKH VAADIYAAN.

The Amrit is within us all - thats what Guru jis trying us to tell . This is the REAL Amrit - they amrit you take shows just your commitment to the Khalsa. If you try to seek the light within you - one day you will realize. This one day , will come if you never give up to learn and fight - and that is the Khalsa Image - "Khalsa mero roop hai khaas khalsa meh hi karo niwaas" First you need the inner Amrit - then you can show it to all! But never forget to Seek the light! Amrit Dhari are nothing special - nor they will be special ! They are like us all ! But someone who is slave of god (metaphor) is better than us!(metaphor) Veerji, if you have problem with masturbating ( adult sites ) just image everytime you are doing it you are killing a life of a innocent baby - You just killing this defenseless baby with a blow in his stomatch and after that you are full of blood ( you know what I mean) This is a metaphor as well ! Just keep seeking the light ( :D ) and you will be blessed! HOW TO GET RID of all this Masturbation is not safe It makes you weak. it can lead to both physical and physiological imbalances. Frequent masturbation and ejaculation stimulate acetylcholine/parasympathetic nervous functions excessively, resulting in the over production of sex hormones and neurotransmitters such as acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin. Abundant and unusually amount of these hormones and neurotransmitters can cause the brain and adrenal glands to perform excessive dopamine-norepinephrine-epinephrine conversion and turn the brain and body functions to be extremely sympathetic. In other words, there is a big change of body chemistry when one excessively pratices masturbation. The side effects of such changes to the body include: Fatigue. Feeling tired all the time Lower back pain Stress / Anxiety Thinning hair / Hair Loss Soft / Weak Erection Premature Ejaculation Eye floaters or fuzzy vision Groin / Testicular Pain Peyronie's disease Pain or cramp in the pelvic cavity or/and tail bone Self-Control Guidance for Masturbation This is copied from some website and this is useful method and Sikhism encourage those things which help others so salute to that man who wrote the following suggestions: 1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company. 2. If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, you must break off their friendship. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken out of your mind for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things. 3. When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the bath more than five or six minutes -- just long enough to bathe and dry and dress and then get out of the bathroom into a room where you will have some member of your family present. 4. When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation would leave you. 5. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, get out of bed and go into the kitchen and fix yourself a snack, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you get your mind on something else. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak. 6. Never read pornographic material. Never read about your problem. Keep it out of mind. Remember -- "First a thought, then an act." The thought pattern must be changed. You must not allow this problem to remain in your mind. When you accomplish that, you soon will be free of the act. 7. Put wholesome thoughts into your mind at all times. Read Gurbani. You can read Japji Sahib, Suhmani Sahib, Anand Sahib, above anything else in the Guru Granth Sahib can be helpful because of the uplifting qualities. 8. Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep it in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for the Missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, but keep the problem out of your mind by not mentioning it ever -- not in conversation with others, not in your prayers. keep it out of your mind! The attitude of a person toward his problem has an effect on how easy it is to overcome. It is essential that a firm commitment be made to control the habit. As a person understands his reasons for the behavior, and is sensitive to the conditions or situations that may trigger a desire for the act, he develops the power to control it. Suggestions 1. Pray daily, ask for the gifts of the Spirit, that which will strengthen you against temptation. Pray fervently and out lout when the temptations are the strongest. 2. Follow a program of vigorous daily exercise. The exercises reduce emotional tension and depression and are absolutely basic to the solution of this problem. Double your physical activity when you feel stress increasing. 3. When the temptation to masturbate is strong, yell STOP to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind and then recite a prechosen Scripture or sing an inspirational hymn. It is important to turn your thoughts away from the selfish need to indulge. 4. Set goals of abstinence, begin with a day, then a week, month, year and finally commit to never doing it again. Until you commit yourself to _never again_ you will always be open to temptation. 5. Change in behavior and attitude is most easily achieved through a changed self-image. Spend time every day imagining yourself strong and in control, easily overcoming tempting situations. 6. Begin to work daily on a self-improvement program. Relate this plan to improving your Church service, to improving your relationships with your family, God and others. Strive to enhance your strengths and talents. 7. Be outgoing and friendly. Force yourself to be with others and learn to enjoy working and talking to them. Use principles of developing friendships found in books such as How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. 8. Be aware of situations that depress you or that cause you to feel lonely, bored, frustrated or discouraged. These emotional states can trigger the desire to masturbate as a way of escape. Plan in advance to counter these low periods through various activities, such as reading a book, visiting a friend, doing something athletic, etc. 9. Make a pocket calendar for a month on a small card. Carry it with you, but show it to no one. If you have a lapse of self control, color the day black. Your goal will be to have no black days. The calendar becomes a strong visual reminder of self control and should be looked at when you are tempted to add another black day. Keep your calendar up until you have at least three clear months. 10. A careful study will indicate you have had the problem at certain times and under certain conditions. Try and recall, in detail, what your particular times and conditions were. Now that you understand how it happens, plan to break the pattern through counter activities. 11. In the field of psychotherapy there is a very effective technique called aversion therapy. When we associate or think of something very distasteful with something which has been pleasurable, but undesirable, the distasteful thought and feeling will begin to cancel out that which was pleasurable. If you associate something very distasteful with your loss of self-control it will help you to stop the act. For example, if you are tempted to masturbate, think of having to bathe in a tub of worms, and eating several of them as you do the act. 12. During your toileting and shower activities leave the bathroom door or shower curtain partly open, to discourage being alone in total privacy. Take cool brief showers. 13. Arise immediately in the mornings. Do not lie in bed awake, no matter what time of day it is. Get up and do something. Start each day with an enthusiastic activity. 14. Keep your bladder empty. Refrain from drinking large amounts of fluids before retiring. 15. Reduce the amount of spices and condiments in your food. Eat as lightly as possible at night. 16. Wear pajamas that are difficult to open, yet loose and not binding. 17. Avoid people, situations, pictures or reading materials that might create sexual excitement. 18. It is sometimes helpful to have a physical object to use in overcoming this problem. A Book of Mormon, firmly held in hand, even in bed at night has proven helpful in extreme cases. 19. In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing several layers of clothing which would be difficult to remove while half asleep. 20. Set up a reward system for your successes. It does not have to be a big reward. A quarter in a receptacle each time you overcome or reach a goal. Spend it on something which delights you and will be a continuing reminder of your progress. 21. Do not let yourself return to any past habit or attitude patterns which were part of your problem. Satan never gives up. Be calmly and confidently on guard. Keep a positive mental attitude. You can win this fight! The joy and strength you will feel when you do will give your whole life a radiant and spiritual glow of satisfaction and fulfillment. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Wisdom (gyan) : is the complete knowledge of a set of religious principles. It can be achieved by hearing good, thinking good and doing good. A man of wisdom tries to achieve a high moral standard in his life and interaction with others. According to Sikhism, the first steps to wisdom is to consider oneself as an ignorant person who has to learn a lot in life. 2. Truthful Living (sat) : This is more than 'truth'. It means living according to the way of God i.e. the thoughts should match the words that a person speaks and his actions should also match his words. Truthful living brings a person closer to God. 3. Justice (niaon) : means freedom and equal opportunities for all. Respect for the rights of others and strict absence of attempts to exploit a fellow being. Sikhism forbids the desire to loot another's property. It also strictly instructs the Sikhs to show respect even for the women and children of an enemy. 4. Temperance (santokh) : means self control which has to be developed through meditation and prayers. A Sikh has to banish evil thoughts from his mind by constantly repeating Gods name and reciting prayers. Torture to the body to develop self-control is not advocated in Sikhism 5. Patience (dhiraj) : implies a high level of tolerance and empathy for others. It requires control over ones ego and willingness to overlook another's weakness or mistakes. It requires that a Sikh should be strong willed, but kind hearted. 6. Courage (himmat) : means bravery i.e. absence of fear. It is the ability to stake ones life for ones convictions and for saving others from injustice or cruelty. 7. Humility (namarta) : is a deliberate denial of pleasure at one's own praise and admiration. It means underplaying ones own strengths and respecting the abilities of others. It is the antidote to 'ahankar' 8. Contentment (sabar) : means refraining from worldly fears and submitting oneself to the will of God. The typical worldly fears can be fear of death, poverty, disrespect and defeat. It is this virtue that has given the Sikhs the moral strength to withstand the various atrocities committed on their community in the last three centuries. at gurus time, Guru gobind singh said abt sikhs - ਜ੝ੱਧ ਜਿਤੇ ਇਨ ਹੀ ਕੇ ਪ੝ਰਸਾਦਿ ਇਨ ਹੀ ਕੇ ਪ੝ਰਸਾਦਿ ਸ੝ ਦਾਨ ਕਰੇ ॥ ਅਘ ਅਉਘ ਟਰੈ ਇਨ ਹੀ ਕੇ ਪ੝ਰਸਾਦਿ ਇਨ ਹੀ ਕ੝ਰਿਪਾ ਫ੝ਨ ਧਾਮ ਭਰੇ ॥ जढ़ढ़ध जिते इन ही के पढ़रसादि इन ही के पढ़रसादि सढ़ दान करे ॥ अघ अउघ टरै इन ही के पढ़रसादि इन ही कढ़रिपा फढ़न धाम भरे ॥ By the kindness of these Sikhs, I have conquered the wars and also by their kindness, I have bestowed charities; by their kindness the clusters on sins have been destroyed and by their kindness my house is full of wealth and materials; What are you giving to gurus know blady kaam, krofh lobh moh & hankaar. How can u think that guru is with you. If you leave all this then guru says o sahib main us daa chela lets bid before god and ask sorry to him - “O my Master. I am silly, save me, 0 my Lord-God! Thy slave’s praise in thine own glory!” (AG, 166) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gurbani tells us that: When "the Name of the Lord dwells within the mind; egotism and anger are wiped away." (SGGS p33) The importance of simran - the constant remembrance of the Lord, the Creator - will wipe away the state of anger and the feeling of ego from the mind and bring peace and tranquillity. Further, the Guru tels us that: "Lust and anger are brought under control, when the breath does not fly around, wandering restlessly." (SGGS 1395) - that by controlling our breath and the state of mind, these negative emotions be subdued. If you get angry - you need to find a better way to deal with it. Maybe it is just a protective meachnism? Remeber always - that Waheguru is within you try to make it a "Addat" a habit to repeat Gods name . It will everytime rember you if you do bad things - Further it will help you deal with your anger - because you will got remembered. I had the same problem - It worked fine. Some have to deal more with Kaam some more with anger - How do you reduce anger Various medically qualified experts also give us other physical ways to help us reduce the influence of these "evils of the mind": Anger Management The goal of anger management is to reduce both your emotional feelings and the physiological arousal that anger causes. You can't get rid of, or avoid, the things or the people that enrage you, nor can you change them, but you can learn to control your reactions. Are You Too Angry? There are psychological tests that measure the intensity of angry feelings, how prone to anger you are, and how well you handle it. But chances are good that if you do have a problem with anger, you already know it. If you find yourself acting in ways that seem out of control and frightening, you might need help finding better ways to deal with this emotion. Why Are Some People More Angry Than Others? According to Jerry Deffenbacher, PhD, a psychologist who specializes in anger management, some people really are more "hotheaded" than others are; they get angry more easily and more intensely than the average person does. There are also those who don't show their anger in loud spectacular ways but are chronically irritable and grumpy. Easily angered people don't always curse and throw things; sometimes they withdraw socially, sulk, or get physically ill. People who are easily angered generally have what some psychologists call a low tolerance for frustration, meaning simply that they feel that they should not have to be subjected to frustration, inconvenience, or annoyance. They can't take things in stride, and they're particularly infuriated if the situation seems somehow unjust: for example, being corrected for a minor mistake. What makes these people this way? A number of things. One cause may be genetic or physiological: There is evidence that some children are born irritable, touchy, and easily angered, and that these signs are present from a very early age. Another may be sociocultural. Anger is often regarded as negative; we're taught that it's all right to express anxiety, depression, or other emotions but not to express anger. As a result, we don't learn how to handle it or channel it constructively. Research has also found that family background plays a role. Typically, people who are easily angered come from families that are disruptive, chaotic, and not skilled at emotional communications. Is It Good To "Let it All Hang Out?" Psychologists now say that this is a dangerous myth. Some people use this theory as a license to hurt others. Research has found that "letting it rip" with anger actually escalates anger and aggression and does nothing to help you (or the person you're angry with) resolve the situation. It's best to find out what it is that triggers your anger, and then to develop strategies to keep those triggers from tipping you over the edge. Waheguru ji ka khalsa , Waheguru ji ki Fateh. If you need more help , or something is in your maan - don´t fear to PM me or any other members! Never have doubt on God´s mercy!

Bhaaji, I actually agree with you on the part that we should forge relations with Kabir Panthis and other Panths which claim to follow the Bhagat Sahibans as they can be considered our cousins. But forging relations does not mean we should ignore our Nyaraapan. Khalsa is to remain Nyaraa. Infact I think we should do Parchar to them and bring them into the KHalsa Panth. Ravidasis of Punjab are a different story. Unlike the Kabir Panthis who actually can claim a link Bhagat Kabir Jee going back hundreds of years, the Ravidasias in Punjab (more particularly Doaba region) are a recent creation. They created this Panth during the 20th century as a reaction to the discrimination that they faced from Jats. So to forge their own independent and proud identity they created the Ravidasia community. We need to destroy our caste barriers and bring our Ravidasia brothers back into the Khalsa fold. Same is true for the Churah community in Majha who have largely become Christian due to the discrimination they faced from Jats.

Satguru Sri Guru Gobind SIngh Sahib ji Maharaj did not wear a Kalgi because he is a king, but because Mughals were not allowing ANYONE to wear, other than themselves, 'king' attire. Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj is the king of all creation, he wore this attire to show the Mughals, no one in this world will be subject to their oppression. Our Gurus lives are very complex. Which Mughal today is oppressing anyone from wearing 'royality' attire????????? Punj Pyare tell us not to wear jewellery, if you see them as Mughals, then keep reading, your mouth will become sweet. Yes, today we are being oppressed from wearing kirpans in many places. But we are not our fathers kids, because we take the actual jewellery (5 Kakkar) off in a heart beat and then slander those who tell us it is our limb. This is the state of the so called defenders of jewellery wearing Sikhs. They are very humble, wouldn't you say!!!!!!

We cannot blur the meaning of a Sikh. In Guru Granth Sahib Jee, there is a clear distinction between Bhagat and Satguru. the Bhagat Sahibaan are clearly mentioned as Bhagat. It is not up to us to change that and call them Satguru. Satguru is an Akali jyot which has existed since the start. It menifested itself into this world in Kaliyug in the roop of Guru Nanak Dev Jee who gave Naam Dhikhya to the Bhagats (Read Giani Gurdit Singh Jee's book on this matter). This type of thinking is not RSS. In fact, I would say that RSS would want us to blur the distinctions between Sikhs and non Sikhs so eventually the Sikh panth can fade away. Many Panths have been created in India. Pandit Ganesha Singh Jee has listen many such Panths in his book Bharat Mat Darpan. Just because someone has similar beliefs we cannot say they are Sikhs. Kabir Panthis can be considered our cousins but they are not Sikhs. Even they don't consider themselves as Sikhs. Since the early census began to be taken by the British even then they never listed themselves as Sikhs, so you cannot blame Indira for this one.

I see two way of looking at this. Pro-life and pro-choice. Pro-life approach would argue that God has given us life and we should leave it without human intervention.. If God has given us the gift of life then who are we to take it? Pro-choice would argue that our body is ours to control. We can do what ever we life as our body is ours. In my opinion I think it is important to consider situation factors like that of abortion. Euthanasia comes in two forms. Passive and active,.. One involved someones life being taken by another because of their permanent vegetative state (switching off life support machines) and the other the subject gives consent and opts to move on. I think if it is of a passive nature then it should be permissable. However, you do hear about cases were atheletes have chosen euthanasia because an injury has left them disabled. I think this wrong as they still have the ability to function although their quality of life may have decreased... Just my opinion

ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ aasaa mehlaa 5. Aasaa, Fifth Mehl: ਨਿਮਖ ਕਾਮ ਸੁਆਦ ਕਾਰਣਿ ਕੋਟਿ ਦਿਨਸ ਦੁਖੁ ਪਾਵਹਿ ॥ nimakh kaam su-aad kaaran kot dinas dukh paavahi. For a moment of sexual pleasure, you shall suffer in pain for millions of days. ਘਰੀ ਮੁਹਤ ਰੰਗ ਮਾਣਹਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਪਛੁਤਾਵਹਿ ॥੧॥ gharee muhat rang maaneh fir bahur bahur pachhutaavahi. ||1|| For an instant, you may savor pleasure, but afterwards, you shall regret it, again and again. ||1|| ਅੰਧੇ ਚੇਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇਆ ॥ anDhay chayt har har raa-i-aa. O blind man, meditate on the Lord, the Lord, your King. ਤੇਰਾ ਸੋ ਦਿਨੁ ਨੇੜੈ ਆਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ tayraa so din nayrhai aa-i-aa. ||1|| rahaa-o. Your day is drawing near. ||1||Pause|| ਪਲਕ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਦੇਖਿ ਭੂਲੋ ਆਕ ਨੀਮ ਕੋ ਤੂੰਮਰੁ ॥ palak darisat daykh bhoolo aak neem ko tooNmar. You are deceived, beholding with your eyes, the bitter melon and swallow-wort. ਜੈਸਾ ਸੰਗੁ ਬਿਸੀਅਰ ਸਿਉ ਹੈ ਰੇ ਤੈਸੋ ਹੀ ਇਹੁ ਪਰ ਗ੍ਰਿਹੁ ॥੨॥ jaisaa sang bisee-ar si-o hai ray taiso hee ih par garihu. ||2|| But, like the companionship of a poisonous snake, so is the desire for another's spouse. ||2|| ਬੈਰੀ ਕਾਰਣਿ ਪਾਪ ਕਰਤਾ ਬਸਤੁ ਰਹੀ ਅਮਾਨਾ ॥ bairee kaaran paap kartaa basat rahee amaanaa. For the sake of your enemy, you commit sins, while you neglect the reality of your faith. ਛੋਡਿ ਜਾਹਿ ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਸਿਉ ਸੰਗੀ ਸਾਜਨ ਸਿਉ ਬੈਰਾਨਾ ॥੩॥ chhod jaahi tin hee si-o sangee saajan si-o bairaanaa. ||3|| Your friendship is with those who abandon you, and you are angry with your friends. ||3|| ਸਗਲ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ਇਹੈ ਬਿਧਿ ਬਿਆਪਿਓ ਸੋ ਉਬਰਿਓ ਜਿਸੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ॥ sagal sansaar ihai biDh bi-aapi-o so ubri-o jis gur pooraa. The entire world is entangled in this way; he alone is saved, who has the Perfect Guru. ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਵ ਸਾਗਰੁ ਤਰਿਓ ਭਏ ਪੁਨੀਤ ਸਰੀਰਾ ॥੪॥੫॥੧੨੭॥ kaho naanak bhav saagar tari-o bha-ay puneet sareeraa. ||4||5||127|| Says Nanak, I have crossed over the terrifying world-ocean; my body has become sanctified. ||4||5||127||

Given that this month marks the Shaheedi of Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj, the Janam Diwas of KabirJi Maharaj, the Shaheedi of Banda Singh Bahadur, the evil actions of Indira+Rajiv in 1984 ... not to forget to GurGadi of Guru Hargobind Ji ... i think we need to strongly keep in pespective how much focus we put on any individual shaheed related to 1984 this month or indeed for that matter the prominence placed on 1984 given that Sikhs have been on the receiving end of several Ghallughara's. For example, 28 years after the the 1947 Ghallughara nobody was really focussed on the 300,000 plus Sikhs killed in Pakistan or the fact that this represented the death of 1 in 8 Sikhs based on the Pakistan side of the border then (the equivalent of if 3.5million Sikhs were killed today). Similarly, 1984 was a vicious attack on our Panth and we should look on it as a war that hasn't stopped and one that we are currently still losing. Until there is 100% literacy in Punjab, until the male/female ratio is balanced in Punjab, until gareeb loki in Punjab don't have to convert to Christianity to access free healthcare, until the drugs and alcohol menace in Punjab is shut down, until jaath-paath is killed off as a concept once and for all ... we might as well realise that we don't have any ammunition to fight any liberation war with right now (so no real point in raising naaray for Khalistan). The Panth needs all the pro-Khalistan elements at the forefront of development work within the community first as a matter of priority before we even spend time thinking about separate stamps and separate currency etc. If we can address some of our own issues with utmost urgency there's no reason that in the very long term the whole of India could realise that Sikhi is a universal truth for the benefit of all. There's no reason if we can sort out the problems Indira has left our community with ... perhaps hundreds of millions of Indians could accept the truth of Ik Onkar and Sarbat da Bhalla as concepts that can create a society based upon religious guidance ensuring justice, equality and freedom from corruption.

If we have a strong focus on making sure our own are knowledgeable about their faith/roots then other people and their ponking will be of minimal effect. No one can stop people saying anything publically and anonymously with modern technology. It is just part and parcel of the world we live in today. A big tip is not to gravitate towards or expose yourself to every fudu remark made by people like the above. Everyone gets it - Muslims, Christians and Sikhs. If you did a quick search on teh web, you'd find negative stuff posted about just about every religion. Chillax.

"Va Khalsa, Va Fateh" Nidar Singh seems to have his own way of Saying Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa, waheguru Ji ki Fateh lol Also for someone who does so much Martial arts he has a large tidh