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  1. What Bachchan did was to incite the ordinary person to join the government organised mobs. We all know the star power of indian actors. This actor had thousands of people outside the hospital when he was injured in 1982. He knew that people will act on his words and instead of asking for calm he made more go out onto the streets to look and kill Sikhs. There is no difference between Saajan and Bachchan. Saajan physically moved around delhi with the mobs while bachchan used tv and star power to do the same….kill innocent Sikhs
    4 points
  2. I'll be honest, I find this highly embarrassing and a bit of a joke. This isn't gatka, bravery or fitness. Funny how they're being highlighted right around the time of 1984 remembrance rally. I'm sure one of the pro-indian journalists in their wing pushed to get it published right around now. Why is it they got so much attention and yet the original Bir Khalsa group that made it in India's Got Talent's final round wasn't mentioned at all despite getting famous (thakke naal - by a push) from Sikhs all abroad.
    3 points
  3. This is an amzing opportunity to raise the profile and much more awareness of this issue within the media, at the very least the local Leicester media. Lets not get bogged down with Amitabh Bachan, but try and use this opportunity to educate, educate, educate. But lets not fall into the trap of holding a protest which starts peaceful but turns aggressive in anyway, as thats all Keith Vaz will need to turn the situation against the Sikh community within the local media. Lets ensure that the protest is more like a vigil (lots of candals) and lets do naam japna like in the Dudley protest. We are currently working on getting Amnesty International down to the event, they wont come if there is even a hint that it may turn into an aggressive protest. Getting them down will improve the chances of it hitting the mainstream media. Letters will also be written to all the MPs within Leicestershire and other faith leaders and bodies, again lets educate. We are currently working with the local newspaper and news channels to get them down at the protest, therefore we need to ensure that we properly media manage the protest on the day. It needs to come across more as an awareness campaign more then a protest, best way to generate greater sympathy. Play the victims on the day and not the aggressors.
    3 points
  4. Amitabh Bachchan’s Invitation to Leicester Event Causes Outrage in UK Sikh Community. “Indian film star incited mobs to kill Sikhs”, say survivors of ’84 genocide. Amitabh Bachchan was the first high profile personality alleged to promote the killing of Sikhs during the November National Genocide of 1984. Seva84 is a charity that works solely for the victims of the Nov...ember 1984 Genocide. Volunteers of Seva84 have recorded first-hand accounts from the survivors of 84 who witnessed Amitabh raising slogans which prompted the looting, raping, killing and torture of 30,000+ Sikhs in November 1984. The accounts of eye witnesses detail Amitabh making calls for Sikh blood "khoon ka badla khoon (blood for blood)" and other blood thirsty slogans at Teen Murti House, thus making him a key figure in the November 1984 National Genocide, where voting lists amongst other government data was used to identify Sikh homes and businesses which were marked in red before being blazed to the ground. Sikhs of all ages were raped, hacked to pieces and burnt to death. To date, the Indian State has failed to deliver Justice. Keith Vaz is a British MP and is celebrating 25 years of his membership in parliament. Keith Vaz has invited Amitabh Bachchan to join him in these celebrations. The Sikh community in the UK and abroad have written letters to Keith Vaz to inform of Amitabh Bachchan’s role during the Genocide. As Keith has not yet replied, Seva84 organised a peaceful protest to coincide with the visit of Amitabh Bachchan at the venue he is due to attend (Saturday 16th June 2012 outside the Platinum Suite, Cobden Street, Leicester LE1 2LB). This protest is to express the distress suffered and the collective feelings of the Sikh community regarding Amitabh’s visit, and also to highlight his role in November 1984. The Leicester Police have been informed of the protest. Furthermore, the protest has backing from the Sikh Sangat (Congregations) in London, midlands area and strong support from Sikhs living in Leister. Today, 11th June 2012 the police have contacted a Seva84 representative and advised them that Amitabh may not attend on Saturday as he claims he maybe i’ll on that day. The police will have further information regarding Amitabh’s presence at Platinum Suite. UK Sangat, In particular SANGAT in the MIDLANDS... IT IS VERY POSSIBLE YOUR ATTANDANCE MAY BE NEEDED THIS SATURDAY IN LEICESTER. We will keep the sangat updated with any progress regarding the protest. Please keep your Saturday night free, as the FIRST person witnessed to promote the killing of Sikhs in November 1984 may be in Leicester. Stay tuned to Seva84 Facebook page for updates. The surrent situation: Seva84 will be informed of Amitabh's attendance tomorrow, however we have been notified that Amitab's family will be present at the event. On this basis, the protest is going ahead. The protest has been organised by Seva84, and is supported by two other Sikh organisations. If their are any changes we will inform the Panthic organisations that are supporting the protest, and also we will also notify sangat on our facebook page www.facebook.com/seva1984 If there are any other organisations that would like to show support for this protest, please email contact@seva84.com from your organisations adddress, and we will also list these on our facebook page. We would also reccomend more sangat contact Kieth Vaz to express their concerns of Amitabh attending this event.
    2 points
  5. Awaze Quam newspaper wale must have thousands of photos from the 80s and 90s. If anybody has contact with the paper it might be worthwhile getting all the material scanned and putting it online.
    2 points
  6. As has said by many on the forum, a protest against a high profile personality/event may bring more publicity to 1984 issues
    2 points
  7. I don't know anything veer, most of the stuff i managed to gather by maharaj kirpa from mahapursh katha, vichar, books etc etc. There are quite bit of diversity in ways of meditating on Gurmantar/Mool Mantar within Sikh school of thoughts (sampardavas). One such technique - Ajapa Jap which is common and you will find tracing its path to all the way back to sri guru gobind singh ji time when sri guru gobind singh ji gave updesh to mata ajeeto ji to do Ajapa Jap in order to leave the body: 1. Baikri Bani- Recite Gurmantar with javan(tongue), hout(lips), khaieyal(thoughts) that is called Baikari Bani. 2. Madhma Bani- Recite Gurmantar in Kant(throat) without moving lips...just with the thoughts is called Madhma Bani. 3. Pasanti Bani- Recite Gurmantar in hirda(heart). 4. Para Bani- Recite Gurmantar in Nabhi(Navel) without moving tongue and with the thoughts. In this stage vahiguroo Gurmantar gets infused in rom rom of the body. Meditation goes in automatic mode. There is no need for concentration. After 4th stage, everything is spontaneous, trikurti and dasam dwar will open spontaneously no effort is needed on concentrating on 3rd eye or anything, one gets to very high stage where one can hear(jap-resonance,dhuni) with their surati from everything in this creation ie- walls, birds, leafs, animals, human being, even from realms and see everything. Ajpa jap na visrai aad jugad samae || It does not forget the Chant which is chanted without chanting; it is immersed in the Primal Lord God of the ages.
    1 point
  8. It's so very important we remain peaceful and as said above focus on education alone! I'm certain at some point the organisers will try to say that amitabh Bachan is not coming so as to get us to stop the protest...but as guests have paid as much as £100 each...he'll def coming!
    1 point
  9. sorry alias and 1994 plz keep ur personel discussion on messages dont post ut here... plz I dont want to hurt ur feelings... and about the topic I am in same position as that of the author of the thread... I want to keep control but sometimes I get out of senses and do sins of masturbation... then I feel so much ashamed of myself but after some days again this condition of mind is formed.
    1 point
  10. You can find her other shabads here... http://www.sikhroots.com/audio/index.php?q=f&f=%2FKeertani_-_International%2FBibi+Manika+Kaur Simply beautiful production...
    1 point
  11. Don't take this personal veer. This is a general comment. It's best the lions who cover the faces stay at home on the day so that a sustainable campaign can be carried out. We've witnessed many of the lions who take it to another level run home after these protests and leave others to pick up the pieces. This should be a series of serious transparent campaigns to raise awareness for those willing to show their faces and put their necks on the line. Our morchas need to be sustainable. It's about being a clever lion! Great comment from Kaljugi
    1 point
  12. No, they're a group that kind of copied the actual Bir Khalsa Dal that won 2nd place on India's Got Talent. Original Bir Khalsa Group's performances were awesome and commendable.
    1 point
  13. Lions are also occasionally outsmarted by the jackal. Aman made very valid points. Learn to pick and choose your battles.
    1 point
  14. what u can do is tie ur hair in the keski.. that works wanders. no gunjalzz, and keeps keski on ur head get a nice material, about 3.5 meters, and use that. tie one part in ur hair, then tie the rest of the keski wen u go round n round. patkas are not the answer.
    1 point
  15. Problem with modern day military/police types in the UK is that they NEVER seem to do anything at ground level, which requires risk. Such people become (predictably) concerned with preserving their occupation, and from my experiences, those Sikhs in the police are especially susceptible to start parroting whatever authorities want them too. For me an essential component of a 'martial spirit' is an independent mind. Having someone trained up doing other communities bidding has its problems. We can point as exceptions like General Subegh, but we need to acknowledge that the same system created more General Brars and KPS Gill types than Subeghs. Therein lies the problem in my opinion. What such institutional indoctrination usually produces is a drone/lemming more loyal to his organisation than his people. A dog that would have no problem arresting another Sikh brother that might have done something hot for the community for example. People paint the Khalistani lehar as Sikh versus Hindu, yet at ground level in Panjab, what you found was that most people doing the extra-judiciary murdering of apnay were - Sikhs themselves. Look up the murderers of Jaswant Singh Khalra for example. It says a lot that most of the people that have actually put their money where their mouth is for the community in the UK over the last few years weren't ex-soldier or police types, but rather people who were disparagingly referred to as 'street brawlers' earlier. Guys who drink, go to bars etc. and may not be angels. I'm not saying that people should mimic them, but acknowledgement of this truth is important. But, as fightingsingh pointed out earlier, by and large we seem to be going down the middle class direction, I know from personally talking to some of the types of brothers mentioned in the last paragraph, that they actually lament what they perceive as the sorry state of todays generation of Sikh males, and feel our strength is dwindling as a result of our increasing affluence. On reflecting on some of the insightful posts i've read on this thread, I don't think anything can be done about this. All that being said, I think any community that loudly proclaims their 'martial spirit' but doesn't have these credentials at ground level ends up looking pathetic. Maybe now that we are experiencing unprecedented levels of stability in certain places there will be a subtle but significant shift of emphasis from our warrior heritage to other aspects of our inheritance, like the philosophical or theological or musical for example? Then again, put our lot in a tight enough situation and they usually (eventually) react with teeth, so the fat lady hasn't sung just yet. lol
    1 point
  16. Personally I'm in favour of military sevice/experience. As dalsingh101 pointed out. there is the problem of being used to fight other peoples' causes. There is also an element of indoctrination that takes place in the military regarding nationalism and nationalist causes... ie Sikhs in the modern Indian Army are more likely to see themselves as Indian and protectors of the country as they have sworn an oath and are unlikely to support any Sikh causes. If you look at reports of Sikh troops who mutinied in 1984, some of the reasons given were that they were new recruits who were still raw and not enough time had been given for full naturalisation and indoctrination to take place. Having said that, I believe that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. From a community protection point of view, people like Major General Subeg Singh, did great sewa for the community, as did other military trained personnel who identified with and helped to organise the Sikh cause. Their military knowledge and experience was put to great use. The same thing happened in the 1947 partition, one of the reasons that we were able to hold our own, was because of the large percentage of servicemen in our community who organised and formed jathas to protect us. Clearly, people who have served in the military, are going to be alot better at this kind of thing than people who just sit behind a desk and fix computers. Also, a strong military presence instils a sense of pride in the community. Bravery, honour, discipline winning medals etc... whether you agree about Sikhs fighting for the British or not, Sikhs living in Britain have done well on the back of that investment and it is because of those investments and sacrifices that we enjoy certain freedoms in Britain, that we probably dont enjoy anywhere else. So I would say a big YES to the military. Even if Sikhs dont sign up for full-time service, there are lots of opportunities in the Territorial Army/Reserves and Cadet Forces. Also, there are the Police reserves or specials. These give the best of both worlds really... exposure to military/paramliitary training, but allow you do stay with your family and leaves you enough time to do your main job full-time. Having said that, the whole military thing is not for everyone. As I said in my previous posts, there are numerous ways that we can inject martial living in our lives. Its down to the individual how they want to go about expressing that warrior side and nurturing it inside of them. However, one thing is for certain. If you do absolutely nothing and invest no time into it, dont be surprised if you crumble and melt in the face of high pressure or conflict. Warriors are forged through fire, not born. Train hard, fight easy. Bruuuuuuuah
    1 point
  17. June 11, 2012 (Washington, DC) - Jakaras were heard in the White House this past Friday during a briefing on Sikh civil rights issues in the heart of the federal government. The briefing, a historic first, was organized in collaboration with the White House Initiative on Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders and the White House Office of Public Engagement at the request of the Sikh Coalition. Approximately 50 activists from around the United States attended the briefing. Leaders from New York, California, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, Virginia, Indiana, Mississippi, New Mexico, and even Canada traveled to Washington for the event. The assembled group included Advocates from the 2011 and 2012 classes of the Sikh Coalition's Sikh Advocate Academy. They began their day with an early morning tour of the beautiful East Wing of the White House. In the East Wing, the assembled leaders had a chance to view celebrated spaces such as the room in which President Thomas Jefferson first held cabinet meetings and the Blue Room which remains the reception room of the White House. The leaders and activists then proceeded to the Eisenhower Executive Office Building for a first-ever briefing on Sikh civil rights issues. Commissioner Chai Feldblum of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission; Kimberly Walton, Assistant Administrator of theTransportation Security Administration; and John DiPaulo of the Office for Civil Rights at the Department of Education talked about the federal government's efforts to combat employment discrimination, airport profiling, and school bullying respectively. In addition, Karen Chaves, Policy Advisor to the White House Initiative on Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, spoke about the work of the Initiative to address Sikh and broader Asian American and Pacific Islander concerns. The assembled community members enthusiastically questioned federal agency officials after each of their presentations. They shared critical feedback and ideas on how the federal government can better connect with and serve the Sikh community. CLICK HERE FOR PHOTOS Feeling of Momentum The genuine excitement and feeling of momentum among the attendees was electric. The assembled Sikhs were grateful to have toured the White House, shared their ideas with top-level officials, and participated in a historic event. The White House and assembled federal agency officials all expressed the hope that this historic briefing would be the first of many so that Sikhs can be better connected to the White House and their government. The past two months have seen a string of game-changing successes for the Sikh community and the Sikh Coalition. From the $75,000 settlement in the Autozone case, to the victory after seven years of battle with the MTA, to the progress of the Workplace Religious Freedom Act in the California State Assembly (please prepare to lobby the California Senate to pass it there as well), to the national acclaim for the Sikh Coalition's FlyRights app, to the letter to the FBI from 94 Members of Congress, to last week's briefing, the community has enjoyed many victories on the path to protecting our rights. We are truly thankful for Guru's Kirpa and your support. This work would not be possible without you and your partnership. We thank you and look forward to more victories for the community in the coming months and years. As always, the Sikh Coalition calls on all Sikhs to fearlessly practice their faith.
    1 point
  18. My word, Baba Ji never did things by half, did they? :wow:
    1 point
  19. Dhan Dhan Bhai Harjinder Singh Jinda and Bhai Sukhdev Singh Sukha :doh:
    1 point
  20. that letter gives me goose bumps, such courage, such love, such sacrifice!! It should be available as a poster which can be framed.
    1 point
  21. The pic of the singhs giving each other mithaia is so chardi kala!!! How can anyone destroy the sikh panth that has given birth to soormeh such as these!
    1 point
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