Jump to content

Leaderboard

Popular Content

Showing content with the highest reputation on 07/03/2012 in all areas

  1. 3 points
  2. last year: http://www.sikhsanga...sm/page__st__10 AS PREDICTED!
    2 points
  3. ****SIKH DISCUSSION GROUP**** A regular discussion group for young adults aged 20+ is being started up in Seven Kings Gurdwara (Sri Guru Singh Sabha London East). The idea for the group came into being after the realisation of the lack of any Gurdwara events specifically catered towards young Sikh professionals and students. We aim to create an open minded and non-judgemental space where we can exchange ideas and learn from each other. Topics will range from; all aspects of spirituality, professional life, politics, etc. and anything put forward by attendees. This group is not aimed at any particular mindset or type of Sikh - the very reasoning behind a discussion group is that there are many diverse people with different viewpoints. We are still in the early stages and will be holding a preliminary meeting this Wednesday 04/07/2012 at Seven Kings Gurdwara, 722/730 High Road, Seven Kings, Ilford, Essex IG3 8SX at 6:30 pm. The meeting will be held in one of the classrooms, we will put signs up in the Gurdwara on the day. Please contact 07940200673 for further information. We hope to see you there!
    1 point
  4. Benefits: one rule for all... no bias on names, or extra allowance for being Punjabi. At the same time anyone who is trying to pull the wool over your eyes, by changing his name to singh/kaur can be easily detected and refused be the advisor who has the final say. The couple are taught one-to-one Sikhi - great opportunity for parchar - at critical moment in their lives Prevents apneh also abusing Anand karaj. - making sure they know they are supposed to learn anand Karaj, not have intoxications in their body, eat languar etc etc. Enforces Akal Thakt Maryada in a fair way Gives the Anand Karaj "Value".. not given out cheaply to anyone willy-nilly. Your thoughts? Viable solution for all Gurdwara's? any improvements?
    1 point
  5. Forget what she said, we all know we have plenty of scum mothers like her in our community. Fact remains, we need to uphold the Sanctity of the Anand Karaj, for the sake of our Maryadha, for the sake of our future generations who must know, if you marry a non-sikh, its anti-gurmat, and like anything which is anti-Gurmat it is not allowed to be carried-out in the Gurughars. The Gurdwaras need to be under pressure to deliver, they are answerable to the Sangat, not only on this issue, but all issues. There is no point typing essays on here, we need to get proactive in our local areas. The purpose of this thread was to find a solution to the abuse of the sacred Anand Karaj Ceremony. ONLY SOLUTION SO FAR IMPLEMENT WAS BY LUTON GURDWARA. WHAT'S THE PRO'S? CON'S? WHAT IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE MADE? Procedure that was initiated by Guru Nanak Gurdwara, Luton 2008. If couple want to marry via Anand Karaj, they must both come in around the same time as the initial booking, for one-to-one Sikhi sessions with an appointed "Anand Karaj Advisor" - REGARDLESS OF YOUR NAME, CASTE, CREED, COLOUR, MONA OR KESHDHARI. In these bite Size Sessions the basic concepts of Sikhi are taught. Requirements on the day, amongst others: Requires the groom and bride not to have any intoxicants in the body (stag night, the night before are very common) Languar must be eaten at the Gurdwara before sangat leave. (sangat normally undermine the languar for the afterparty) At the end of the sessions a declaration is required by bride and groom. This is counter signed by the "Anand Karaj Advisor" who once is satisfied that the couple are committed to the pursuit of Sikhi, allows the marriage to be booked. Guru Nanak Gurdwara Luton Sri Anand Karaj Ceremony booking I …………………..(name) have chosen to be wedded at Guru Nanak Gurdwara, Luton via the scared Anand Karaj ceremony because I declare myself a Sikh. I have completed the pre wedding Sikhi Sessions My utmost faith is in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I follow no other Religion nor worship any other beings. I am familiar with the translations and protocol of the Anand Karaj I will endeavour to preserve the sanctity of the Anand Karaj, as per guidelines explained to me. I understand the importance of taking Amrit and becoming a Khalsa. If I have children in the future I will raise them as Sikhs. My commitment to the Pursuit of Sikhi is verified by my passport and driving licence with Singh or Kaur – as required by Akal Tatkt maryda. Signed……………………………. Name……………………….. Date Verified: by Gurdwara Anand Karaj booking secretary Signed…………………………….. Name……………………….Date…………
    1 point
  6. Link to the live stream we recorded http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/23673978
    1 point
  7. Harminder Singh Jee, so should we just ignore that this is a step in the right direction and try to find more holes in what just happened? A precedent has been set. And usually precedents are exactly what a community needs to set in motion a chain reaction. Mixed marriages (Sikhs with non Sikhs) is not a positive development for our community(in the west). If today such marriages are accepted then tomorrow it will not be far fetched to imagine homosexuals getting their way and having an Anand Karaj in a Gurdwara, where do we draw the line? A Manmat is such a thing that once we become accustomed to one thing we start to accept even more Manmat in bits and pieces and soon those bits and pieces add up and turn into a huge amount. It wasn't a long time ago that the Anand Karaj was strictly only allowed between Amritdhari boy and girl. We have come a long way from those times. The least we can do is make sure that the Anand Karaj is only between Sikh boy and Sikh girl. When an Islamic Nikkah happens, it is only allowed between a Muslim boy and girl. No matter how modern or least religious a Muslim is he will always do a Nikkah in which his spouse has to embrace Islam. Furthermore, such Muslims always make their children Muslims rather than raising them in the faith of their non Muslim spouse. Compare this to the Sikhs of today who marry non Sikhs and will almost always have their children raised as non Sikhs.
    1 point
  8. I didn't say that. What I said is that this is the excuse they use to not wear a cap, but yet don't wear a turban. To me, it's an idiotic excuse
    1 point
  9. I applaud and respect the Singhs for their restraint. This is exactly the kind of behaviour that should be displayed in the face of such hostility. For me, this video highlights a whole gamut of issues regarding Sikhs in the UK, the topic of Anand Karaj, and a few other matters. These are my opinions so obviously they might be partially (or even wholly :biggrin2:) inaccurate. Regardless, I'd like to share my thoughts with the sangat. First of all the attitude and mindset of the aunty in the video is atypical of the Panjabi approach to modern life. I use the term 'Panjabi' because I don't think the term 'atheist' is fair. She and her kind may believe in a higher power, but for them the Sikh faith is an incidental occurence in their lives; something to be navigated and evaded rather than understood and embraced. The way she spat out "Granth Sahib" without preceding it with the word "Guru" may be inconsequential to some people, but it only goes to show how much respect she has for Maharaj. Secondly, she knows very well Guru Granth Sahib does not explicitly state anything about marriage between Sikhs and non-Sikhs (I think... :biggrin2: ), hence her line about "Show me where it says in [Guru] Granth Sahib that this marriage can't go ahead". Therefore the issue rests on the hukamnama established by Akal Takhat Sahib regarding marriage. Whilst I've gone on record on previous occasions regarding my disillusionment at the approach towards certain vital Sikh issues taken by the representatives of the office of Akal Takhat Sahib, it is this VERY discord that the likes of this aunty will trade on when rallying against any judgement made by the office of Akal Takhat Sahib. It will be similar to the Dudley party-hall situation whereby the hall supporters said they did not recognise the authority of ATS (Akal Takhat Sahib). This is why I've said on past occasions that whenever it appears that decisions made by ATS that are contrary to will of the Panth (i.e. the award of Panth-Ratan to Badal), as well as the appearance (may not be fully accurate) of not working for the benefit of Sikh matters in other areas means SAT's authority and credibility is severely damaged when it comes to enforcing edicts that the Panth universally agrees upon, i.e. the Anand Karaj hukamnama. I would be a hypocrite if I chose to follow the hukams of ATS that suited my lifestyle and opinions whilst ignoring others I didn't agree with. That is why ATS must be whiter than white. But anyway we could talk about this particular issue until the cows come home. The other issue this video highlights is the attitude of mainstream Panjabis (I use the term 'Panjabi' deliberately) to the tenets and followers of orthodox Sikhi, i.e. baptised Sikhs. Again, after seeing the attitude of the aunty and - to a lesser extent - her husband we can see the frankly offensive and slanderous ways in which she talks to and denigrates the gathered Singhs. As far as I could tell, they were not offensive or rude to any of the people confronting them. Of course if anyone has evidence to the contrary I'd be willing to review my statement on this particular aspect of the situation. Make no mistake for whilst many of the people who share the opinions of the likes of the aunty (for there are many and their numbers are growing), her perception of what Sikhi is about is what worries me the most. Again, this marginalising of Sikhi as practiced by baptised Sikhs to be a branch of the faith that is extreme or on the fringes is something that alarms me greatly. Has the Khalsa (more so in the West) become equated with intolerance and extremism even by our own people? When did this attitude develop? Why have such opinions been allowed to ferment and materialise so that anyone who speaks up for adhering to Sikhi by following hukamnamas and rehats is the backwards, uncouth pendu, whilst those who prefer the Panjabi-oriented brand of Sikhi (not that such a thing exists but I have to describe this abberation somehow) are the mainstream moderates? When did this upside-down thinking become the norm and what can we do to curb the widespread acceptance of such attitudes? Are the Singhs and Kaurs to blame for their elitist, alientating attitude towards non-Gursikhs, or are those who can't be bothered to follow the hukams of Guru Sahib the ones in the wrong? The final issue (because my fingers are hurting) is much more straight-forward and, again, ties in with the words of the aunty in the video. Her departing words about Singhs being under-achievers and dossers who haven't got anything better to do with their time than cause trouble at weddings is another one of those opinions that should spur us on to not be pushed to the fringes of Sikh or even the secular societies in which we reside. Singhs should seek to become professional in whichever field they choose to enter career-wise, but also actively participate in issues such as these. For if anybody else is to equate any Singh who wishes to uphold the values of his faith with somebody with a criminal record (lol) and generally poor life prospects, such Singhs can turn around and say "Well, actually I own a business" or "I work for a multi-national corporation" or "I have more qualifications than you could care to imagine".... then such aunties won't know who to pin the blame on for their own failings. I do wonder if becoming a professional, career-oriented fellow means it precludes a Singh from staying in touch with grass roots - some might say 'controversial' - Sikh issues. Are such causes (such as upholding Sikh tenets in a modern world) only for those who wish to get their hands dirty? Anyway I've typed far too much and possibly over-stepped my remit but I think we should not be hesitant to discuss these issues. EDIT: I forgot to mention the most important issue! The Anand Karaj has become a ritual for many Sikhs. Something to get over with because their parents want it - or if not parents then something to appease the wider community. If you don't feel an affinity for your faith and understand the importance of its various rasams then why go through with the whole thing? Be brave and tell your parents you want a civil ceremony! "Tell your parents", lol.
    1 point
  10. 1 point
  11. Gurmat is in agreement with Bhagat Prhalad ji, nothing to refutee....akward question.
    1 point
  12. Regarding rehraas sahib , damdami taksal was started by guru gobind singh ji which is shromani of all jathebandis you can check the pothi sahibs written by baba deep singh ji and bhai mani singh ji. so i read baanis from blue pothi sahib from damdami taksal. after all you have to decide what to follow. Sri Dasam Granth was used to be parkashed in old times in akal takht and now it is not. isn't that wrong? it was started by bhai mani singh ji (puran brahmgyaani). are u wise than him? all those nindaks i dont know what to say, they were at the guru sahib times. and they will remain all the time. so just have to keep fighting
    1 point
  13. The decision was taken by Guru Khalsa Panth, hence it is not man made.
    1 point
  14. Hindutva has infiltrated our community so much, it's unbelievable. The Basanti (Xanthic/Yellow) is the real Sikh colour. Educated Sikhs will know this and agree that orange is not our colour but Yellow is. With regards to the Kesri colour, the Saffron that was grown in the Panjab and near Panjab was actually turmeric, which we call Haldi. If you listen to old, old Dhadi Vaaran, it is widely mentioned as the Khatta flag on Peshawar etc. If you look at Jathedar's dastaar, it is definetely not orange. Singhs of the Jatha - you can see there dastaar colours. A old account: A Translation of the Seir Mutaqharin, ca. 1789 Ghulam Hussain Khan, translated by M. Raymond, 1789 They form a particular society as well as a sect, which distinguishes itself by wearing almost always blue cloaths (v), and going armed at all times. (v) It is true that they wear only a short blue jacket, and blue longdraws: but they use likewise the yellow and the white in their turbans, as well as the blue, although by the by the latter is the general colour. To conclude - Orange is 100% not the Khalsa colour. Yellow/Xanthic/Colour of Mustard flower is.
    1 point
  15. I was asking if you believe some souls are destined never (forever) to get liberated (reach sachkhand).
    1 point
  16. Khalsa Jeevan Pavitar Jeevan Khalsa Vachitar Jeevan Amrit Jeevan Chita Chola Gurmukh Parkash Gurbani Paat Darpan
    1 point
  17. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!! Heres one of my all times favourites Books... Se Kinehiya sekinehiya2006.pdf It is the autobiography of Sant Baba Harnam Singh Ji (Rampu Khera) Sant Ji was a Pooran Bhraimgyani, who's soul was merged with waheguru and this book gives a detailed account of his life and spritual experiences. This was one of the first books i read about sikhi and served as a big inspiration to my sikhi path. enjoy! Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!
    1 point
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use