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  1. 5 points
    You needn't worry there are plenty of broad minded, highly educated and sharp Sikh women over here that will shut her up and put her in her place. I feel sorry for the people of Kashmir having to put up with her underclass behaviour. Sikhi frees us from uncouthness, it doesn't seem to have sunk in yet, it seems, in her case.
  2. 5 points
    Who appointed her to be a defender of the Sikh women? No Sikh woman needs her to defend themselves, stop undermining them. The Punjabi Sikh women don't need some rubbish miss nobody fake to defend them, they are perfectly capable of defending themselves. Guru Sahib Ji has given them them enough character strength to fight for themselves. They don't need some cheap shot to do their defending! If anything, she should be defending her own 'kind,' the masses who have never had the opportunity to become Sikhs or live a Sikh way of life. You know who I am referring to. The Sikh Rehat Maryada addresses key issues such as the definition of a Sikh, personal and communal obligations such as meditation and volunteer service, rules for gurdwara services to include appropriate music and festivals, and the conduct of assorted Sikh ceremonies.
  3. 4 points
    Had she been so respected, she would not have put herself up to be publicly disrespected. My patshah's bani stands. you are probably the same person who reads 3 banis for amritvela, criticise chaupai sahib's 26th and 27th paurees and idk what else.
  4. 2 points
    Dont move this creature onto Dasam Granth!! She has absolutely no aware of Dasam Granth. She is the same poster who started the topic on Sri Charitropakhyan about a month ago, showing her ignoracne on it. ਬਲਬੀਰ ਸਿਆ, ਤੁਸੀ ਕਿਹੜੇ ਮਗਰ ਲਗੇ ਹੋਏ ਹੈ? ਗ੍ਰੀਨ ਕਾਰਡ ਲੇਈ ਇਹਨਾਂ ਕੁਛ?
  5. 2 points
    You just perfectly described your own situation. Blindly following whatever your panthic maryada. You need to listen to some katha of suraj parkash, guru nanak parkash and Dasam Granth. (No one believes that we need another life. Our Mata didnt, we don't either) bring her to a hospital and have her checked. She needs help.
  6. 2 points
    Harkiran, can you stop labelling women who accept the roles of men and women to different as "regarding" themselves lower. can you stop forcing your ideas of feminism, since real feminists believe equality is only achieved when women don't have to do the historical works of men to feel equal can you stop imposing the so called panthic maryada on all of us can you stop criticising DAMDAMI TAKSAL, started by pita ji can you basically keep quiet.
  7. 2 points
    Be quiet, I'm not painting myself lower than men. But I'm not going to belittle brothers that don't do what you make out. It's not about close minded people, it's about respect. Since I've been reading Harkiran's 10 page lectures, the only thing I'm reading is women this, women that, eh voh. Big deal she's a woman, but she's belittling people on here and trying to brainwash women into thinking that Sikh men are discriminating against women. I haven't heard of any disputes of Panj Pyare seva in our area or anywhere for that matter. This is the first time I'm hearing it and to me it sounds you're both exaggerating something that isn't a big issue as you're making out to be. Good luck to you both in your sewa though.
  8. 2 points
  9. 1 point
    http://www.neverforget84.com/shaheeds/shaheed-bhai-gurcharan-singh-khalsa surprised not mentioned
  10. 1 point
  11. 1 point
    Hanji paji, that's what I agree with. It's up to the couple to tell others if they want to. I'm not saying nobody should not if they want to. I'm saying nobody should be forced to go shouting it over the roof tops. At the end of the day, it's the couple's children, and nobody's business what treatment they had, but not be ashamed of it either. There is no need to tell every jeeto, shindo, or ge jo because it's non of their business. Confiding in close relative or somebody they trust should be enough. And yes, to keep away from the ones that like to ferh the karchis.
  12. 1 point
    It is a catch 22 situation, whether to tell or not. Couple can choose whichever they like. Bheinji, humans are social animals we can't live in isolation. We can very well opt for good rather than bad society.
  13. 1 point
    If you had any imagination you would know in what/which context the word "underclass behaviour' was used. It was used as in 'trash' behaviour! It has nothing to do with your wealth or status here. The Sikh Rehat Maryada addresses key issues such as the definition of a Sikh, personal and communal obligations such as meditation and volunteer service, rules for gurdwara services to include appropriate music and festivals, and the conduct of assorted Sikh ceremonies. You might both be King and queen of Booffa, for all I care! You are NOT ABOVE the SGGS JI, ITS TAKSAALS, REHAT MARIYAADA OR ANYTHING that falls within the teachings of the Sikh Gurus and IS CLASSED AS SIKHI. The Sikh women are perfectly content with Sikhi. What a shame you have no imagination whatsoever! Pindoo lot!
  14. 1 point
    I'm sorry for your relatives both daughter & parents. But you see in India, female's are known for their "lie-ability" other wise there's trouble in paradise. Living with in-laws, husband, kids plus juggling relatives, neighbors, friends isn't easy. Nobody will tell you that they had an IVF & miracles are extremely rare nowadays.
  15. 1 point
    No, she said why are women not allowed to do the sewa of the Five Beloveds! Who does she think she is to QUESTION Sikhi, the Sikh Gurus, the Sikh taksaals and the rights of the Sikh women? The SIKH GURUS HAVE TAKEN CARE OF EVERYTHING FOR US, FOR THOSE BORN AS SIKHS. WE DO NOT NEED ANYONE LIKE YOU BOTH TO INSULT SIKHI OR THE SIKH WOMEN. The Panth is also made up of women in case you have forgotten. It is BETTER TO have a Sikh mind that is well disciplined than to have an untamed, totally dissipated, all over the place, running hither and thither, uncontrolled and shallow mind! Stop behaving like busy bodies, stop meddling with Sikh issues that are beyond your comprehension.
  16. 1 point
    I know a couple who had a child after trying for 14 years. My guess they used someone else's sperm for IVF that means baby's biological father was a donor. It really doesn't matter coz these procedures are kept secret in punjabi-Sikh society. 99.9% chance is child will never be told or know about it. You being white don't know about the stigma attached to barren wife in Indian society especially low caste, uneducated, rural. They are not open to straight forward adoption but will Cheat to save face in society.
  17. 1 point
    Well if you dont then you will hear nothing else. The same rubbish, over and over again. This forum is better off without her.
  18. 1 point
    Children do not think like that. They show love and commitment to whoever raised them. In some cases the bond between a woman and her non-biological child is even stronger. Why do we always hear stories of women who have (along with fathers) who have killed thier children, or let abusive partners kill their childre. You act like yours is the only opinion worth listening to. Isn't your time on this forum over?
  19. 1 point
    You utter some of the most outrageous none sense as a man/woman on this board. ************************************* There is a world of difference between giving birth to the future panth with sikhi running through their veins than producing JANWARS left, right and centre prior any afore thought. No point in producing your 'litter' with diminished sikhi, civility and gentility. Manners maketh man. ******************************************* You are making noises through your ars*ho*e when you say quantity is better over quality. ***************************************** Most reasonably sensible people would choose QUALITY over QUANTITY, but not you. Oh, no. You just need to do some time travel and transport yourself to the dark ages where you belong. Honestly, for a young person, for, you claim you are one, you talk rubbish only fit for the 6th/7th century. ******************************************* The panth requires only few super brilliant people to lead it in the right direction and not trillions of JANWARS to bring its DOWNFALL. ********************************************
  20. 1 point
    Instead of getting somebody else to read Gurbani for you, why don't you try learning it yourself, so you can read it and understand it yourself too. Talk for yourself, as a female I accept the way the Panj Pyare are. And that doesn't make me have sheep mentality before you say that too. It's just that I don't make a song and dance about being a woman. I'm all for women's rights and defending ourselves, but if I can accept it, why can't you penji? Why would you want to change something that's been the same from beginning of Sikhi just to please yourself and that you have no understanding of. And you can stop insulting Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale ji, he had so much kamaiyee and you think you're avasta is better than his? Manu tha lagda hatna nai tu drame karn, par hun boring hogeyi a. Change the topic because I'm reading this on other posts too, that's all you go on out, the Panj Pyare, and mixing it in other posts too. Hor koi gal nai aundi? And which Sants of different jathas are you even on about ? I've never seen or heard any Sants or Mahapursh argue or debate with other or belittle anybody, so what exactly are you talking about?
  21. 1 point
    It doesn't say it anywhere. Now you show us in Gurbani where it says to take "Khande di pahul". Taksal only at their own gurdwaras do their own sewa. They do not stop any women from doing sewa at any other gurdwaras so stop lying. The same husband you looked on as ahorse on your wedding day. All you have to do is give him a nose-bag and a bucket of water and he will say what you want him to say. It was forced onto the Panth. Next time you go india, take your husband/horse and go to Sri Akal Takht Sahib and ask them to include women in their monthly sinchaars there. give one example. You have already had your answer to this. Is this male bias and chauvinism: ਜਿਉ ਪੁਰਖੈ ਘਰਿ ਭਗਤੀ ਨਾਰਿ ਹੈ ਅਤਿ ਲੋਚੈ ਭਗਤੀ ਭਾਇ ॥ ਬਹੁ ਰਸ ਸਾਲਣੇ ਸਵਾਰਦੀ ਖਟ ਰਸ ਮੀਠੇ ਪਾਇ ॥. ਤਿਉ ਬਾਣੀ ਭਗਤ ਸਲਾਹਦੇ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੈ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥ ੧੪੧੩ Now you will say "why isnt there a verse for men to serve their wives with the same devotion?" He doesn't sound like someone who could read. neigh, whinny and trump yes. Speak for yourself. The other kaurs on this fourm have already tried to warn you from making an imbecile of yourself on another public forum. But you haven't listened. Stop trying to drag them into your stupidity and discussions. Humans? Only humans? Post them then. I will post shabads which show that the divine light in carried in all vegetation, animal life, AND humans. Even stones. And more.
  22. 1 point
    No. It's a reference to Star Wars. The Force? The mystical power that surrounds and permeates all living things which might be referred to as intuition, knowledge, etc, that is derived from an unseen source designed to guide us towards goodness and truth. I suggested that in order to decide who is "good" and "bad" we should look within and make use of the budhi we're supposed to cultivate through adherence to Sikh teachings. It's quite sad i had to spell it all out, lol. The joke is dead.
  23. 1 point
    The Panth Rehit Maryada was created in the 1930s, it took over 20 years (even longer than that maybe) to get it sorted and even then people bickered and walked out on it. The Rehit Maryada is extremely controversial and using it as a standard is alot like using Prithi Chand as an example of a model Gursikh.
  24. 1 point
    Woman have the god given right to give human birth (miri) so God gave man the right to give Spiritual Birth (Piri). This way both sexes have the right and the choice to "give birth" so to speak and both are incomplete without the other. You can't become Amritdhari unless you are born and vice versa. This isn't sexism, its equality.
  25. 1 point
    Hanging onto any form of caste (or even being romotely proud of it) is extremely anti-gurmat. You can argue all you want that caste includes trade (so it does) but it was also a really stupid label. Bhai Gurdas Ji said Guru Nanak Dev Ji merged all of them into 1, so everyone has the same caste (i.e label). Caste in context of Jatt, Khatri etc are all extremely narcissistic and Manmukh concoctions of Maya. The reason Caste is extremely stupid and completely against Gurmat is because we have people from ALL over the world who associate with it. Bhai Gurdas Ji explains that because of these divisions (yes you can cry all you want that all castes are equal but the divisions are still there) are nothing more than an ugly look and a product of Kalyug, because of this ugly look people fought and still do. So Guru Nanak merged them all into 1 "caste" of humanity. All of humanity has 1 history, 1 beginning, will have 1 end.
  26. 1 point
    the same problems kept us young anglo-punjabis quite confused for years. Most of my mates at school could never understand this hypocrisy amongst Punjabi people.. I spent most of my childhood behaving and trying to do what apnay people like to be SEEN doing. All this ever did, was lead to disorientated youth and penjees running away. It screwed me mentally so much that I was the lowest of low on the streets until I found a reformed old buddy who btw. is on this forum sometimes. This guy helped me to really find myself and taught me naam japna techniques.
  27. 1 point
    It's just cultural bs brought over by the previous generation. If your parents are doctors, does that mean you are automatically a doctor as well? No, you have to study. Just because your parents are Sikh, it doesn't automatically make you a Sikh, you need to take Amrit yourself. It is not your janam, but your karam that decide who you are.
  28. 1 point
    Show me your translation Mr. "holier than thou" ??
  29. 1 point
    I wouldn't have no problem with my kids marrying non-jatt because in terms of tribal trade, we don't do jack all here in UK. Obviously, my ancestral trade will no longer be in my blood line which is probably why I am quite proud to call myself with my inherited clan label. I used to look at caste on the surface and automatically associate with cultural prejudice. But another fellow gurmukh Sikh friend of mine, showed me how the gurus were all married within caste and how it wasn't associated with discrimination. It's just that we people wrongly stick the two labels together.
  30. 1 point
    You can't even understand and read punjabi or gurmukhi. Then you put words in Sant ji mouth. You can't even read and understand Gurbani, yet you are telling me and Sant ji what Gurbani says???? You are worse than the Hindus who Gurbani says are blind. English translations done by yoga worshippers is not a repsentation of my Guru; Gurbani. You have not even entered the door of Gurbani,standing a thousand feet outside, yet you have the nerve to run your mouth on Sikh forums.
  31. 1 point
    There's no doubt that power is in numbers (in many instances), and we need a greater number. But I don't think blindly increasing the population is the answer. So many Sikh families in Punjab who rely on agriculture have rather meager landholdings as it is. What will happen if such families have many kids? What will a family with 2 acres of land and 4 sons do? Marginal landowners having a lot of kids will just propagate poverty. In the west, on the other hand, I am all for Sikhs families strategically having 3-5 kids. We desperately need the numbers.
  32. 1 point
    This is the katha, really worth listening to.
  33. 1 point
    The dudes who started it had the right idea at heart, a very nice functioning society but sadly they underestimated the stupidity of the human race as a whole.
  34. 1 point
    Wow, conceptually that's way too subtle and nuanced for Indian society, lol. No wonder it all went to pot.
  35. 1 point
    Yes and No. A-lot like how our society functions with the heads (the people with jobs which require alot of thought and mental strain), the hands (the military to defend us), the stomach (the traders, shops, economy) and the feet (the manual labour, grunt work classes). Basically that's all the Caste system was, a more elaborate way in how we live our everyday lives except with labels. People could hop around and change their occupation because in the start it wasn't a big deal. But if any faction ceased to function their society would grind to a halt (just like we would). The Problems started when one faction got too vain, they wanted exclusivity and thus as a result the rigid Caste System we see today came into being. Then along came Guru Sahib and just broke the whole thing, he said it was a futile and pointless system. The West doesn't have a caste system, and in terms of productivity its miles ahead of the likes of India due to that. Our Guru Sahibs saw why it was such a flawed system and told us not to associate with it. If you look at things from a genetic level, these labels don't exist. Guru Sahib saw this and explained to us not to associate with it, hence why in terms of Gurbani when they are used, you can understand what the context is. THe true Khatri is a warrior who does righteous deeds, not the caste. A true Brahmin is one who understands God, not the caste and so on.
  36. 1 point
    Because people became arrogant over it. The whole concept was alot like the human body, arms,heads, shoulders etc. People could casually swap around "castes" as it was nothing more than an occupation, but over time (like all things) it got corrupted and more rigid. That's where the whole high Caste/low caste thing comes from. Guru Nanak Dev Ji in his infinite wisdom, decided to just do away with it. Problem is people still don't know the origins of it and thus decide to continue holding on. Caste is completely false anyways.
  37. 1 point
    There's a really nice katha by Maskeen Ji on the topic of where the caste system came from and why it exists. He points out that it was never suppose to be rigid and just help society function, in essence the concept of Caste (at the time) was a more flexible hierarchy and that the concept of Caste (i.e "Sikh Jatt") etc is all nonsense. The Katha is worth a listen as it helps shed some light on some of the mentions in Gurbani too. The only people who hang onto it in any form are Hindus or people who at the back of their mind cant let go of backwards anti-Gurmat traditions. I'll have a look around and see if I can find the Katha.
  38. 1 point
    I don't feel silly at all since all because you said it yourself you couldn't understand the shabad and asked for a translation. So either you don't know Punjabi or you're extremely dim. That Shabad is one of the easiest to translate, rather than accept that you were wrong you've decided to act like a smart <banned word filter activated>. Cute. A racist with a sense of humour. e. No they weren't messengers, They were Akaal Purkh's light, They were God themselves. Messengers are completely different. Congratulations though, you know what the correct English altered definition of a Guru is. Now please enlighten us on what the meaning of Guru is from Gurbani. You had a go at the guy because he's black, no ifs or buts. Had it been a Punjabi guy you'd be sending him your congratulations and begging to lick his proverbial feet. So let me get this straight. You hate white people masquerading as Sikhs but when your own "apni" do it, its fine, in fact your so called "apni" probably outnumber them. You decide to target this guy because of his race purely because of your own preconceived notions. To try and refute my point (which once again you failed to do as this person isn't even affiliated with 3HO and if you bothered listening to his interview, I'm sure the concept of listening to someone other than your own ego is new to you, you'd know this guy did his own research and isn't affiliated with the organisation) about SIKHS keeping this name you post stuff from 3H0 and what some random Shiv yogi? I wonder if you knew that the name Singh isn't even unique to Sikhism, it was a very common surname before Guru Sahib gave it to Sikhs. 3HO aren't even accepted by the mainstream Sikh populous, it's well known through a quick google search they are pariahs and most people don't accept their cancerous strain of whatever the hell they preach is. Sikhs don't own a copyright on any of those names, They've existed since well before Sikhism was established. Now then, please show me how this new convert is associated with any of these organisations. There is entire angs on that topic, doing a search brought up 115 of them (based on word search alone), factor in other things like indirect mentions and you're looking well into the hundreds in terms of angs. If you honestly expect me to sit here and translate multiple angs because somehow you feel that trying to learn Gurbani yourself is a chore, yeah nice try. So far you've shown everyone here you're nothing more than a hypocrite who's crying about the very things he can't follow. You couldn't even translate basic words from Punjabi that were in Gurbani, Yet suddenly other people must learn 4 languages to be even considered a Sikh in your own eyes,before Gurbani is allowed to make sense to them. You mocked people because of how Gurbani touched them (again if u did your own research you'd know there's a nice science explanation and a whole point of raags) and clearly consider them liars. I should be saying Well Done to you, way to show people that you know next to nothing about your own religion! So once again, watch his interview and point me where you think he's behaving unsikh-like. This much is apparent you didn't even bother watching that and just jumped on a hate train. Good day to you, its apparent to anyone here you came on here purely to hate on someone based on stuff you decided was true without even looking at his interview. Further more you clearly know next to nothing about your own faith (one you zealously defend) and just enjoy being a total hypocrite about your own points. I suggest going back to the basics, learning/reading/reciting Japji sahib and moving on from there. That should illuminate many of your incredibly stupid opinions about other people you don't know and also about the faith you try to defend. Being a total Hypocrite isn't good for anyone's soul.
  39. 1 point
    Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki fateh Imodium time!!!!!!!!!!! Mods - Please read our resident behvkoofa's post highlighted above. Not only is it typically stereotypical, castist in the extreme and factually incorrect, this is precisely the kind of behvkoofi that gives ammunition to people that stereotype Sikhs as stupid. Apart from which, had this been written in exactly the same words, by a non sikh saying that about Sikhs (rather than aroras) many wouild be waning the kirpans in the air claiming racism. If you search these forums, you will note that Jagsaw has form in stereotyping extreme views, inciting hatred, making stuff up and then throwing his toys out of the pram when his post is exposed as bukwaas. However, you haven't disappointed, and are consistently talking right out of your Jagsaw. Any Arora Sikhs on this forum who can prove that they are not married to their first cousins and feel like shoving a large cork in his Jagsaw? I'm not Arora otherwise I would be delighted to the honours. Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki fateh
  40. 1 point
    Yes, that's how it is, the whole cosmos is designed perfectly. Akal Purekh created Brahma & gave him the ability to create within what Akal Purekh had already created (maya) Akal Purekh created Vishnu & gave him the duty to preserve what Brahma creates within that which is already created & preserved by him Akal Purekh created Shiva & gave him the duty to destroy what Brahma created & what Vishnu has been preserving. As you can see they all have different roles, attributes & duties that they have been assigned... but what is the one thing that makes them all equal?... it's the fact that Akal Purekh created them all that makes them equal but not the same. Apply this to the whole of creation...including men & women
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  42. 1 point
    The Gurus gave sikh women equality in terms of respect... they were not given complete gender equality which blurs the lines of which role(s) & attributes each gender has been created to fulfill. Sikh women and men are equal too the point that both were created by Akal Purekh.... that's as far as it goes. The roles & duties for each are seperate & distinct.
  43. 1 point
    because it says in rehit maryada to never curse at a women (muh phitkarna) or to raise a hand to her, to treat her with utmost satkar does that mean you as a SIKH PRIVILEGED FEMALE use it as a platform to make up stuff to pour hatred and scorn onto your brothers ??? Please come off your abrahamic influenced paranoia cloud and live in the real world : has a sikh man said to your face anything other than they believe the panj should be male , for instance, you cannot have amrit, you cannot read Gurbani/take Guru Vaak, go Gurdwara, do sewa, do prakash/sukasan of Guru ji , sing kirtan , learn gurmukhi, do santhiya, learn gatka, or any of the many many different aspects of sewa ?
  44. 1 point
    Openly? Sikh men? Where ? Tell us where and we will say something about it. Otherwise keep you vague statements to yourself.
  45. 1 point
    simran345 Jio, Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Jio atey Sevadars of Rajkaregakhalsa.net for Gurbani translation, so we all could enjoy ras atey sada sada Har Har Vahiguroo Vahiguroo:)
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  47. 1 point
    Why don't Sikh girls go to clubs then why even consider stepping into a gurdwara when they clealry state 'I don't want a Sikh turban guy' they might as well marry out of religion anyway I have never heard of matrimonials going on in gurdware doesn't even sound right, forgive me I live in the midlands! Any Sikh girl who disrespects ain't a Sikh! End of you have to earn being a Sikh doesn't come with birth just becuse one is born into a Sikh family, like everything in life earn and the rewards are great also I see many people who are hypocrites and wear long khande chains and smoking what the hell!


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