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    I wonder if Gurdwaras could encourage or hold classes/sessions for those with health conditions or disabilities. What are your thoughts on this?
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    Theoretical background of responsibility toward Sangat If you don't understand the theoretical background, let me spell it out for you: Guru Sahib created the institution of Sangat for spiritual enlightenment and progress. Congregating with like-minded individuals aids in spiritual progress: ਮਿਲਿ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਨਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਸਾਈ ॥ Mil Sangath Man Naam Vasaaee || Joining the Sangat, the Holy Congregation, the Name comes to dwell in the mind. ਮਾਝ (ਮਃ ੪) (੬) ੧:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੫ ਪੰ. ੧੯ Raag Maajh Guru Ram Das ਮਿਲਿ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਏ ਜਗੁ ਭਉਜਲੁ ਦੁਤਰੁ ਤਰੀਐ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥ Mil Sathasangath Har Gun Gaaeae Jag Bhoujal Dhuthar Thareeai Jeeo ||1|| Joining the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation, and singing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, you shall cross over the treacherous and terrifying world-ocean. ||1|| ਮਾਝ (ਮਃ ੪) (੩) ੧:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੫ ਪੰ. ੧ Raag Maajh Guru Ram Das ਮਿਲਿ ਸਤਸੰਗਿ ਬੋਲੀ ਹਰਿ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ Mil Sathasang Bolee Har Baanee || Joining the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation, I chant the Bani of the Lord's Word. ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਕਥਾ ਮੇਰੈ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਣੀ ॥ Har Har Kathhaa Maerai Man Bhaanee || The Sermon of the Lord, Har, Har, is pleasing to my mind. ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ਮਿਲਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥ Har Har Anmrith Har Man Bhaavai Mil Sathigur Anmrith Peejai Jeeo ||2|| The Ambrosial Nectar of the Lord's Name, Har, Har, is so sweet to my mind. Meeting the True Guru, I drink in this Ambrosial Nectar. ||2|| ਮਾਝ (ਮਃ ੪) (੪) ੨:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੫ ਪੰ. ੯ Raag Maajh Guru Ram Das Good sangat increases love of God: ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰੇ ਜਿਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਸਾਧੂ ਸੰਗੁ ॥ Kirapaa Karae Jis Paarabreham Hovai Saadhhoo Sang || The Supreme Lord showers His Mercy, and we find the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. ਜਿਉ ਜਿਉ ਓਹੁ ਵਧਾਈਐ ਤਿਉ ਤਿਉ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਰੰਗੁ ॥ Jio Jio Ouhu Vadhhaaeeai Thio Thio Har Sio Rang || The more we increase it, the more we become imbued in God's love. ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਮਃ ੫) ਅਸਟ (੨੬) ੯:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੧ ਪੰ. ੪ Sri Raag Guru Arjan Dev That's the fruit of good sangat. Guru Sahib says whatever sort of sangat we keep, that's what we become: ਕਬੀਰ ਮਨੁ ਪੰਖੀ ਭਇਓ ਉਡਿ ਉਡਿ ਦਹ ਦਿਸ ਜਾਇ ॥ Kabeer Man Pankhee Bhaeiou Oudd Oudd Dheh Dhis Jaae || Kabeer, the mind has become a bird; it soars and flies in the ten directions. ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੮੬):੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੬੯ ਪੰ. ੧ Salok Bhagat Kabir ਜੋ ਜੈਸੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਸੋ ਤੈਸੋ ਫਲੁ ਖਾਇ ॥੮੬॥ Jo Jaisee Sangath Milai So Thaiso Fal Khaae ||86|| According to the company it keeps, so are the fruits it eats. ||86|| ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੮੬):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੬੯ ਪੰ. ੧ Salok Bhagat Kabir
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    Oh my God, so many replies. It's going take me 2days to read them. Ok calm down, don't all reply at once, take your time 😏
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    bro SIkhi is timeless it is for all time , the rehit is for all time , it is not going to change to accomodate wusses who can be besharam enough to go outside marriage but not admit their fault humbly and take their punishment???
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    Historical examples When a Sikh broke a Hindu's idol, the Hindu came to complain to Guru Hargobind ji. That's because the Sikh is responsible before his Guru. Today, jot of the Guru is in Guru Granth Sahib and the Guruship is practically held by the Sangat, Panth, and Panj Piyare. When Jassa Singh Ahluwalia was thought to have killed his infant daughter, he was held responsible, and was excommunicated by the Sangat (Panth). When Maharaja Ranjit Singh committed a flagrant violation of the Sikh rehit by wanting to marry a Muslim woman, he was held responsible before the Sangat by the Akal Takhat. If he wasn't responsible before the Sangat, then why did he present himself before at Amritsar? There are examples after examples of Sikhs being held responsible before the sangat in history. These include Surjit Singh Barnala, Baba Santa Singh, Buta Singh, Kala Afghana, and many others. Your position (that a Sikh is not responsible before Sangat) has absolutely no historical or doctrinal basis.
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    Bad sangat, and dissociation with bad sangat And just as good sangat increases spirituality, bad sangat destroys it: ਕਬੀਰ ਮਾਰੀ ਮਰਉ ਕੁਸੰਗ ਕੀ ਕੇਲੇ ਨਿਕਟਿ ਜੁ ਬੇਰਿ ॥ Kabeer Maaree Maro Kusang Kee Kaelae Nikatt J Baer || Kabeer, I have been ruined and destroyed by bad company, like the banana plant near the thorn bush. ਉਹ ਝੂਲੈ ਉਹ ਚੀਰੀਐ ਸਾਕਤ ਸੰਗੁ ਨ ਹੇਰਿ ॥੮੮॥ Ouh Jhoolai Ouh Cheereeai Saakath Sang N Haer ||88|| The thorn bush waves in the wind, and pierces the banana plant; see this, and do not associate with the faithless cynics. ||88|| ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੮੮):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੬੯ ਪੰ. ੩ Salok Bhagat Kabir ਕਬੀਰ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਕਰੀਐ ਸਾਧ ਕੀ ਅੰਤਿ ਕਰੈ ਨਿਰਬਾਹੁ ॥ Kabeer Sangath Kareeai Saadhh Kee Anth Karai Nirabaahu || Kabeer, associate with the Holy people, who will take you to Nirvaanaa in the end. ਸਾਕਤ ਸੰਗੁ ਨ ਕੀਜੀਐ ਜਾ ਤੇ ਹੋਇ ਬਿਨਾਹੁ ॥੯੩॥ Saakath Sang N Keejeeai Jaa Thae Hoe Binaahu ||93|| Do not associate with the faithless cynics; they would bring you to ruin. ||93|| ਸਲੋਕ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ (ਭ. ਕਬੀਰ) (੯੩):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੬੯ ਪੰ. ੮ Salok Bhagat Kabir ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ਉਲਟੀ ਰੇ ਮਨ ਉਲਟੀ ਰੇ ॥ਸਾਕਤ ਸਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਉਲਟੀ ਰੇ ॥ਝੂਠੈ ਕੀ ਰੇ ਝੂਠੁ ਪਰੀਤਿ ਛੁਟਕੀ ਰੇ ਮਨ ਛੁਟਕੀ ਰੇ ਸਾਕਤ ਸੰਗਿ ਨ ਛੁਟਕੀ ਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ਜਿਉ ਕਾਜਰ ਭਰਿ ਮੰਦਰੁ ਰਾਖਿਓ ਜੋ ਪੈਸੈ ਕਾਲੂਖੀ ਰੇ ॥ਦੂਰਹੁ ਹੀ ਤੇ ਭਾਗਿ ਗਇਓ ਹੈ ਜਿਸੁ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਛੁਟਕੀ ਤ੍ਰਿਕੁਟੀ ਰੇ ॥੧॥ਮਾਗਉ ਦਾਨੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਨਿਧਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਮੁਖੁ ਸਾਕਤ ਸੰਗਿ ਨ ਜੁਟਸੀ ਰੇ ॥ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸ ਦਾਸ ਕੋ ਕਰੀਅਹੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਮੂੰਡੁ ਸਾਧ ਪਗਾ ਹੇਠਿ ਰੁਲਸੀ ਰੇ ॥੨॥੪॥੩੭॥ Turn away, O my mind, turn away.Turn away from the faithless cynic.False is the love of the false one; break the ties, O my mind, and your ties shall be broken. Break your ties with the faithless cynic. ||1||Pause||One who enters a house filled with soot is blackened.Run far away from such people! One who meets the Guru escapes from the bondage of the three dispositions. ||1||I beg this blessing of You, O Merciful Lord, ocean of mercy - please, don't bring me face to face with the faithless cyincs.Make servant Nanak the slave of Your slave; let his head roll in the dust under the feet of the Holy. ||2||4||37|| ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੩੭) ੧:੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੫੩੫ ਪੰ. ੧੬ Raag Dev Gandhaaree Guru Arjan Dev As seen above, association with a sakat will lead to blackening of the soul. Therefore, Sikhs are called not to associate with such people. The practical method through which this is effected is given in the excerpt from the Sikh Rehit Maryada above. The sangat formally decides to dissociate from a sakat. Now, here's where "responsibility to the Sangat" comes: It's true that no one has to be responsible to the Sangat if he doesn't want to be. But if you disregard the summons from the Sangat to explain yourself, the Sangat can choose to not associate with you anymore (excommunication). If you want to avoid this, then you can repent if you are remorseful, and the Sangat has the power to forgive you.
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    Bet of a silly argument really but... Ideally religiously speaking she should have married a Sikh if she hasn't already .....and if she really hasn't she should make efforts for her husband convert to Sikh who knows he maybe hindu by name but Sikh by heart. Theres plenty of fake Sikhs out there who are Sikh by name but non-sikh by heart and couldn't give a cr*p about Sikhi and Sikhs. Either way the fact that she is a strong pro-Sikh rights candidate even before she got elected as Member of parliament proves her love and pride for her Sikh faith. I'm sure her husband supports her on her campaigns for Sikhs....if he didn't she wouldn't have married him.
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    World leaders meeting/shaking hands with terrorists/dictators/unsavory characters: Ghadafi: Robert Mugabe/Jack Straw Yitzhak Rabin/Yassir Arafat Assad: Mobutu Sese Seko After all this, people are wailing about some wannabe (Atwal) who made an attempt to kill some diplomat? Ghadafi was the mastermind behind the Lockerbie bombing, and Western governments totally forgave him (before they decided to depose him). Tony Blair and Ghadafi about to French kiss: Did Terry M give the same treatment to Tony Blair? Pathetic.
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    I would believe it if I can see the consequences on the ground with my own eyes that confirm what is on the census. The problem is that there are inconsistencies in my opinion. If there was decrease in childbirths/facilities you would hear from maternity wards that there are less kids or even from midwives that they are not delivering as many children. School places would be empty because of the lack of kids being born. You would see a decrease in funding in childhood services if there are less children. There are so many things you would see as a result of below replacement fertility.
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    So dice is rolled by RAW to infiltrate cdn, uk, america sikhs diaspora - direct or indirect inflitration in -back drop sikhs looking figure, they already predicted hows sikhs will react both predictable reaction- either way they win and advance their goals: Current issue among sikhs in west- missionaries and sri dsasam granth RAW in the backdrop watches influences directly or indirectly-, influences both ultra hot headed pro and ultra hot headed anti stance on dasam granth/missionaries- watch sikhs tearing each other part, if there is message of unity- it creates insecurity, fear, hyper, paranoia to keep the fire going. I've never seen hindus worked up so fast over debate over their various school of thoughts, over scriptures to the point they are fighting among themselves, there are six school of thoughts or more in hinduism all polar opposite of each other- vaishanivsm, shavaism, advait etc in their scriptures all they reject each other etc etc, yet in their circle no one is fighting yet politically they strong as iron- when it comes to HINDU NATIONALISM-Their sants- ravi shankar, sadhguru all supports hindu unity an front Example of ranjit singh dhandriwanle. Raw saw this guy prominence -see it as threat- influence his thoughts sant got played big time, created the divide in community, then flare hot headed sikhs to create issues and back drop assassinate attempt againt him- boom their goal is accomplished, huge divide in sikhs abroad. CIA ASSESSMENT ON SIKHS LIVING ABROAD: CSIS ASSESSMENT ON SIKHS IN CANADA Anyway there are many examples, i am more geared towards solutions - Worst thing sikh could react is with fear, paranoia calling each other agents anti panthic , fighting violently against each other. Do polar opposite see each other with non divisive eyes, dialogue, debate, constructive vichar - and leave it that. - RAW want cdn sikhs to relive trauma and divisiveness of 1980s again in current political climate get worked up in whichever way possible- they would love angry anti india slogans by sikhs in canada do pollar opposite hold the line of human rights bring other christianity minorities too, more holligans burning indian flags they will love this kinda stuff it will play good in media, more khalistan banners in nagar kirtan, divisiness, do pollar opposite - every day pay respect to our shaheeds as we normally do - keep on moving getting inspired by our role models in canada such as harjit singh sajjan- defense minister- apply for gov't jobs, learn french, apply police, rcmp, miltary jobs, media put past sikh seperatism in the back of head but dont put it on altar it proves nothing but just play more into raw hands. Andrew cohne- very well known journalist already pushing narrative- questioning sikh loyalty in canada by providing example of sikh body guards killing indira gandhi- casting doubt- they are religious zealouts, prove them wrong- apply apply apply for high gov't positions, security, poilice rcmp, military jobs. - Pay no attention to rhetoric emotional speeches get worked up, have sympathy but ignore ignore and ignore emotional violent rheotoric type of response - Have more interfaith sessions, push more yoga, world peace, get 3ho all white turbans push for mindfulness, peace etc etc in ottawa parliament-yoga international day- get 3ho to inflitrate on so called hindu concept which is not theirs anyway as its not their to begin with, get behind jewish genocide, explain sikh genocide via lenses of other civilizations, basically get behind with dastar anything to do with peace, mindfulness yoga movement - put hindu bhramins in canada out of business. Yogi amandeep singh udasi nirmala already doing amazing job. - tune down sikh internal issues activism protesting infront of gurdwara, commitee endorsement, be more involved wider canadian activism - don't isolate ourselves, engage in wider canadian soceity, Raw wants to isolate us from cdn diaspora politicsm cabinet positions, policy decision makers as its huge threat and cdn diaspora to some other, do polar opposite. Once we are able to infuse ourselves in media , politics like jews then we can influence not just say khalistan zindabad but further play proxy wars in terms of trade deals. Indians are already pissed trade deal with canada is only 1 billion dollar despite of huge indian immigrant people thats why they raised this ujjal dosanj tattu to isiolate us from all canadian political party, cdn cabinet positions, politics from canadian national fabric. Raw via media will keep pushing the narrative- get rid of these sikhs , our success trade deals - sky is limit already, more canadian jobs, it will very well play into conservative election promise RAW is trying to get sikhs out of canada fabric into over represented, defranchise thugs violent isiolate, do pollar opposite- infuse further ourselves and do seva into all Canadian veins, political parties, all self righteous left wing, liberal canadian movements- whether its pipeline, feminism, peta-vegan, environmentalist, first nation issues, jobs , polarized canadian debates.
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    Firstly, when I go to Punjab the average Sikh has 2 kids or more. I don't know how they come to this 1.6 fertility rate figure. I dispute that figure. Secondly, even though the muslim fertility rate is coming down (and that is due to them educating their women), even educated Muslim families still have higher fertility rates than the rest of the population. Thirdly, I dispute the fact that Ravidassia are "oppressed " . If Dalits behaved like Ravidassia they would open their own temples and not even bother with the cash and prizes they receive from christian missionaries. If anything Ravidassia are empowered. Nobody has stopped a Ravidassia going to a Gurdwara and do stuff that a normal sangat member does. Where their issue is with the power grab issues that a tiny minority within their community want. Like all politics.
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    This is what the rss don't want us to know, the hindu population is losing its will to expand (much like us right now) and their fertility plummets. Our muslim freinds on the other hand have the energy to want to spread so they keep pumping out babies (though their rate is slowing down as well). Our kaum should definitely start having at least 3 kids a family.
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    Punjab always gets blamed to look like a state full of idiots. even the drugs/sharab... they are rampant in all of india, pakistan, afghanistan etc, the media should look at mumbai which is a hotbed of pure cocaine but wait... that doesnt fit the anti sikh/punjab agenda.
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    Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh Next time any punjabi or indian tries to claim that it is Punjab where the most girls are killed ....and thus the ratio is unbalanced slap the truth into their faces Punjab's ratio is actually is improved by more than 19 points , the sex ratio is worst in Gujarat dropped by 53 points , then Haryana 35 points, Rajasthan 32 ,Uttarkand 27 etc 17 out of 21 states have been found to having dropping ratios.
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    This is the problem with this forum and the state of our panth. A brother comes on for genuine help and gets slated for no reason.
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    I would also like to see more Heath awareness sessions being held at the Gurdwaras, for all sangat, not just those with health conditions and disabilities. Some Gurdwaras are starting to hold sessions of these and having talks, which creates awareness and gets them involved in sangat environment too. Saw this on FB, think it's a great idea:
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    Yes, that's all fine in theory, but maybe it will be more difficult in practice. But if the article above as suggests Guruji also encouraged it, then Gurdwaras should also too, but then there's the costs of making adjustments, which I can't see committees doing.
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    That's what I was thinking penji, as if the classes are held in Darbar Sahib then there will be a problem regarding sitting etc. But it would be nice to see them integrate with normal able bodied sangat too, so maybe have the classes together. I was thinking there's lots of people with health conditions sitting at home probably watching tv and I think it's a good idea if they are also encouraged to mix with normal sangat and encourage them to attend Kirtan and musical instrument classes, as part of the sangat. Why shouldn't Gurdwaras encourage it, where it is for normal bodied sangat? This will also help them connect to Sikhi, and learn Gurbani. Whether you like it or not, they are also part of the sangat. Obviously, disabled people would only do what they can manage within their limits, but I feel they should be encouraged to also participate where possible.

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