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Dhan dhan raam daas gur jin siri-aa tinai savaari-aa Blessed, blessed is Guru Ram Das; the One who created You has also exalted You. Pooree hoee karaamaat aap sirajanhaarai dhaari-aa Perfect is Your miracle; the Creator has installed You on a throne. SIKHEE atai sangatee paarbrahm kar namasakaari-aa Sikhs as well as all Conscious people recognize You because you manifest the Creator.

I always thought it was a better way to change a society's mindset and attitude. If Guru Nanak Ji was the only Guru then within a generation or two, his teachings could easily be forgotten. To change an individual's mind is easy. To effect a change in society requires generations. The other thing to remember is that all of the Gurus brought something valuable into Sikhi, be it langar, physical fitness, martial prowess, Khande di Amrit. Even Harminder Sahib would not have been created if there had been only Guru Nanak.

Although this may sound silly to some, this is why we should have more children (5 will give a substantial increase per generation). Muslims converted a lot of people, but they had a lot of children as well to increase the numbers. Some of these dudes had hundreds of children, with Ibn Saud having 45 sons alone, not to mention the number of daughters. We should also be looking to marrying out other ethnicities and bringing them into our religious fold, not the other way around which is more common. I relegate this task to men as I've noticed Sikh women never tend to pass on Sikh values to their children as sexist as that may sound. In the end, on a political level, its all about numbers as you've already mentioned. And in order to increase numbers, you either have to convert others through marriage/relation, or through children. And modern day Sikhs are failing at both.

Thank god, at least you realize you have to be careful with people while talking on such a negative topic as suicide. You see, people do not avoid you, it is they do not want to hear about suicide, as it is something which is not normal. Have you tried to talk anything with people apart from suicidal tendencies? The main thing is you being aware of what you are going through, and you know that what you are suffering is not normal, so can you realize, how electrifying is talking about is so lightly to others... Just talk about Gurbani, Wahiguru, Guru Sahiban...or any other positive topic, not necessarily religious, and you will see how people will want to be friends with you, and with the time passing, relations can become stronger, friendship wise. The thing is, if you realize you are going through a negative phase, then do not pour it out so openly, rather each time absorb some positivity from those around you for any reason, by listening them or talking to others on any topic, except suicide, drugs, lust, violence, or any such thing which is harmful for the mind and soul. If it is not possible for you, tell others to read you some verses from the Amrit Gurbani, or listen to His mahima through keertan, which is all positive energy, with which one can fill oneself, and brother believe me, it is all healing. Medicines can cure physical maladies, but brother His mahima, His vadeeayee, cures the maladies of the mind, where resides all our blemishes. No one is perfect. So as said somewhere, if you have choice, choose the best, and if you have no choice, do your best. If ever you ever need a friend to talk, you may count with me. I will do my best to be helpful to you in any way I can, but promise me, to start with, now you will try to not talk about suicides, but of living at His Lotus Feet, with love and devotion. Stay blessed. Sat Sree Akal.

Brother Misterr Singh and brother lostconfussedsingh, please for god´s sake do not abuse and spoil each other. To Mr Singh I will say, you are elder and mature, your posts are intelligent and filled with rationality. Do keep in mind, lostconfusssedsingh is not well, that is why he is under treatment, and that is why of such behaviour and negative thinking upon life. Of course it is not correct, the way it seems he is promoting suicide, but please do keep in mind, more than your rigidity and strictness towards him, if you could sympathize with him, that will be more helpful to him, I feel, he needs more affection, than any scolding for his betterment. Though I also know you are 100 % right, but in the end this guy is not wicked like some can be, and we have ample examples here, it is only that he is not well. And to lostconfussedsingh I would say, we really feel sorry for this your present state of health, you do realize you are under treatment, for something which is not good I would say. But then, please also be aware if you talk so lightly of suicide, you may affect those who are weak minded, so please be careful about expressing yourself on suicide. If needed, just stay away from this forum for some time until you start feeling better, You can see from all posts, the sangat here understands what you are going through, and they really wish you to come out of this your present condition. Do not keep any ill feelings towards Mr Singh, he is like your elder brother, it is only that he sees the potential danger in talking so lightly publicly on suicide, and the negative impact on the visitors of this website. If you really want to get helped and get out of your present situation, allow people to help you with positivity though you may not realize, but trust them and ask for help to get you out of your negative tendencies, for as the company you keep, so will you be dyed in that positive or negative colors. It may take you some time to come out, but with your persistence to get out, and by His kirpa, you will definitely come out. I really pray to Wahiguru, for your soon recovery, and to have you well among us. Till then, take care of yourself in all ways, and stay blessed. Sat Sree Akal.

you cannot generalise about all amritdharis that way , it's like if I said all flana are like this when I only have known a few people really. Some people break it because they didn't prepare properly others through life events throwing them awry...many reasons including accidents requiring operations

all oils are bad because they are nutrient deficient calorie dense foods . For cooking coconut is better than most avoid all polyunsaturated oils as they become toxic on heating and create free radical hell in your body. Sunflower margarine is bad as it will increase the omega 6 level in body leading to inflammation and imbalance in omega3 6 9 balance . Most people are deficient in 0mega 3 so try to eat nuts and seeds instead of oils as the oil becomes rapidly rancid in oxygen eat linseeds freshly coldmilled , shelled hemp seeds (perfect balance of omegas)

veer ji by boiling we lose a lot of the vitamins and change the natural properties of the dhaniya ...maybe blending in water and straining would be better?