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  1. I have responded to the views and arguments expressed by Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji in the above video. I apologize for the length. Maryada Guru Gobind Singh Ji made one maryada Correct, he gave the Khalsa one maryada How do we as Sikhs determine what that maryada is? The first step is to compile and analyze all historical documents and literature that shed light on the Khalsa's maryada at the time of Guru Gobind Singh Ji and the early 18th century. Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji has not presented any historical research or analysis to prove what was the original Khalsa maryada If people take Amrit at different places, can their views ever be the same? They can be the same and are the same for a vast majority of topics. Udasis, Nirmale, Taksaal/Giani, Nihang Singhs all have maryadas that differ, however all of these sampardas agree on the foundational principles and values of Sikhi. The areas they have differing views on (meat, length of mool mantar, keski as a kakaar) are all smaller details and subsidiary aspects of maryada. The sampardas agree on the core of how to understand, practice, and experience Sikhi. Sampardas/Babas claim their maryada is supreme I have never heard any Samparda/Baba make the claim that their maryada is above all others. Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji must provide evidence of showing that a specific Samparda/Baba has claimed this Sampardas may voice the merits of their maryada, that it is based on historical rehitnamas or has been in place and untouched for hundreds of years, but that does not mean that they come from an egotistical position of "holier-than-thou" as Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji is trying to paint their position as Babas put their own views into maryada and spread it using Amrit/Panj Pyare. They do this in order to build a unique identity, to avoid making one Panthic maryada, and get "Star Baba" treatment Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji is relying solely on his perception to reach the conclusion that what Sampardas/Babas are doing is undoubtedly with nefarious intentions Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji may be using a logical fallacy here related to apophenia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia). Specifically, he is connecting patterns of behaviour (Sampardas/Babas preaching their maryada) with meaning and intention (doing it for selfish reasons + to divide the Panth) without providing any evidence to prove that supposed intention In order to make this claim, Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji must have evidence that can prove the intention, motives, and mental thoughts the Samparda/Babas he is pointing to Without providing any evidence, Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji has created a toxic narrative about Sampardas/Babas which then will transplant into the minds of his followers/listeners fermenting further disdain for fellow Sikhs Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji believes everyone should conform to the Akal Thakt Maryada because he believes it is the closest to Gurmat Is the Akal Thakt maryada the one that was given to the Khalsa by Guru Gobind Singh Ji? Obviously not. So then why is this maryada considered the most accurate one by Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji? He offers no historical historical research or written sources to prove that this maryada is most in line with the maryada Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave us Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji, and the missionary parchariks at large, are interpreting Sikhi using western philosophy (logic/science). This results in a distorted, warped, and inaccurate understanding of Gurmat. Thus, we cannot believe his assertions of a particular maryada being in line or out of line with Gurmat because his understanding of Gurmat is, at its core, flawed Background on Akal Thakt Maryada Sources: The Sikh Reht Maryada, The 50 Year History of the SGPC by Shamsher Singh Ashok Is this maryada Panth Parvanit? Has it been passed and approved by the Panth? Or the Akal Thakt? The answer, which may surprise many, is NO. The SGPC created a committee in 1927 to create a Sikh Rehit Maryada The 29 original members of this committee included: Sant Sundar Singh Ji of Damdami Taksal, Akali Kaur Singh of the Nihangs, Sant Sangat Singh Ji of the Sevapanthis, Bhai Kahan Singh Ji Nabha, Sant Gulab Singh Ji Gholia, Bhai Vir Singh Ji, Sant Man Singh Ji Khankhal of the Nirmale, Bhai Randhir Singh Ji of the Akhand Kirtani Jatha + more 11 of these original members, including representatives from Taksal, AKJ, Nirmale, and Sevapanthis, as well as, Bhai Vir Singh Ji and Prof. Jodh Singh Ji, were never present at the deliberations that took place Over the years additional comments and opinions were incorporated from dozens of other Sikhs, but whole sections of the Panth still were not part of the deliberations Committees were constituted over the years and discussions/debates took place in 1927, 1931, 1932, 1933, The 1933 deliberations were at an impasse and they were put on hold for a undetermined amount of time. These were the last deliberations In 1936, without any further deliberations taking place to get full consensus and approval from the Panth, it was passed by the SGPC The current version you see today is everything the Panth could agree upon as being the "at minimum" maryada. They still were deliberating on other details and aspects where they couldn't build consensus. At no point was this maryada passed by the representatives of the Panth to be the governing maryada for all Sikhs. It was still a work-in-process document As pointed out earlier, sections of the Panth did not even have the chance to take part in the deliberations, therefor the resulting document is still incomplete in that respect too Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji believes the Akal Thakt Maryada is supreme and "is the best one to make us one" He wants everyone to conform to the Akal Thakt Maryada as a prerequisite for Panthic unity, yet this is a maryada that is incomplete and left halfway through deliberations Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji views other maryadas as "going backwards" He has already decided that other maryadas from different Sampardas are nonsense He wants all Sikhs to conform to the Akal Thakt maryada first, and then make any changes This is illogical. Why not deliberate and agree on a maryada first before making it applicable to the whole Panth? It seems he wants one Panthic maryada but only on his terms. Not with the samvaadh and consensus of the entire Panth. He is unwilling to consider the merits of other Sikhs' views and any historical/philosophical evidence they might present Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji says "Babas divided the maryada" How can Babas have divided the maryada if there was never one singular maryada to begin with? Before the 1936 SGPC passed maryada, there were already numerous versions being followed Rather, one singular maryada has never been constituted and passed by the entire Panth Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji makes numerous claims of "you believe in x, y, z" which is against Gurmat Instead of addressing the individual person who may have said what he finds frivolous, he paints all those who disagree with his viewpoints with the same brush He generalizes here to depict all those who don't agree with him to be nonsensical. He does not distinguish. This creates animosity in his followers/listeners for everyone who disagrees with him Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji says "I say what seems right to me" He shouldn't say what seems right to him. He should say what is right according to the Guru If others in the Khalsa Panth think the viewpoint and philosophy he is using to determine "what is right" is incorrect and flawed, he should want to genuinely hear out critiques, not dismiss them The excuse that all those who don't agree with him are violent is a farce. There are plenty he could have a genuine conversation with History Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji says "he only accepts history that is correct" He brings forth no historical evidence, new research, documentation, or archaeological discoveries to disprove accounts in Suraj Parkash He does not even mention that Suraj Parkash is an unedited Granth and the Brahmin assistants of Kavi Bhai Santokh Singh Ji inserted their own writings into his work He either does not know the history behind Suraj Parkash or is purposely withholding these facts from his followers/listeners The tall tales the Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji is referencing in Suraj Parkash is not accepted BY ANYONE in the Panth. However, Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji seems to be implying that the Samparda parchariks do believe in those tall tales Can Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji provide a single example when anyone has done Katha of those sections in Suraj Parkash? These parts are entirely omitted from katha or an explanation of the inaccuracies are given. He is using this point to show other parchariks in a negative light by implying they believe and do katha of these tall tales If Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji thinks something in our history is false, he must prove his case. It is foolish to state you think something is wrong but not show your opinion is based on evidence To disprove those written accounts one must: Do their own historical research, find additional written sources, do archaeological studies, that result in differing evidence Bhai Vir Singh Ji did that in his Suraj Parkash Steek There are inaccuracies in Suraj Parkash due to: 1. Incomplete information compiled by Bhai Santokh Singh Ji 2. Tampering and alteration of his work by his Brahmin assistants  Bhai Vir Singh Ji brings forth additional evidence through his own historical research to show that some things in the Granth are inaccurate. Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji says "they already killed one of our guys" He's implying with "they", that everyone who disagrees with him or find inaccuracies in his views are of the same group of people who tried to kill him Card Stacking Card stacking is a method of argumentation in which important counter-arguments are purposefully omitted, creating an imbalance of evidence in an effort to bias the argument This is a logical fallacy that Bhai Ranjit Singh Ji seems to make use of over and over in his arguments. I don't know if its intentional or unintentional but it misleads people and is a deceitful tactic
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  2. iron level test are funny for us because when I had the twins the tests came back normal but I felt totally whacked out when I insisted on extra supplement despite tests I started feeling better . maybe we need more than their charts average out to . try making neem leaf oil it will help the scalp irritatiion and lumps it could be yeasts such as candida in overgrowth in the system , do you get cravings for carbs and sweets?
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  3. Gurbani is written for all levels of people elementary to higher. Your understanding is based on your level of awareness. If everything is pre set than there is no point of being here. Ones collective deeds brings one to their current state. The belief now will determine ones future from an infinite possibilities where one rest their belief . Two people looking at same thing will reach two conclusions due to their belief. It’s all subjective mind based conclusions. That’s why in science we have doubled blind studies to get any sort of objective conclusions.
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  4. the cast system was the downfall of Hinduism. I really hate those Bharmins who refuse to eat with lower cast people or food from lower cast people. its still happens here in the UK.
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  5. I'm indulging you. This is too one way. You don't appear to have anything of substance to say. Look at you: You make some outlandish statement and then run off, and periodically return to try and churn the water again. You don't use ANY primary sources, everything you say is based on your personal opinion. If I can't be bothered to engage with every little silly point you try and make, it's because I think it's a waste of time. You haven't demonstrated one bit of knowledge. You are the wikipedia generation, and you haven't even used the net to help you learn in any serious way. But you think you can teach others a thing or two. It's obvious that your mindset is more of a result of absorbing mainstream culture than any serious effort to learn about your heritage on your part. You want to write a book with a Sikh historical background, but you can't be ar5ed to go through all the effort of background research that any capable writer would. Never has someone whose known so little, gone on like they know so much. You need to fly off yourself and start immersing yourself in studying A LOT MORE, before you come and give others lectures like some fountain of knowledge. Did you ever consider that I might have more interesting things to do and read than engage with your incessant ramblings?
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  6. Bro don't get me started. There's a lot not in the Ari Granth part of the Guru that we do and don't do today. I'm talking about how there is virtually NO female participation in discussion online or off, and we know how it is important to converse about various subjects in Sihki. The panth are the eternal students of the eternal light and darkness.
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  7. The link below helps https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cosmology_of_the_Theravada_school
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  8. Happy happy Diwali guys ?
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  9. I find it hilarious but also disheartening when Sikhs refuse to say "Diwali". Such a sad state of affairs and such a poisonous (and retarded) mindset. Hindus also celebrate Bandi Chhor...Sita Ji was released from captivity too. Nice parallel there for people to think about. Put that in your Diva and light it.
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  10. not sure what you meant but original I had heard that it was similar to qualankas of sufis but I think those are of maas also so would have been abhorrent to nonmuslims ... The hindu bhandaras seemed to be on special occasions only not a daily thing from what I had read in other places . Not doubts Kings in the past may have feed the people to avoid death and rebellion .
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  11. guru hargobind sahib jis chola which guru ji wore while leaving gwalior fort
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  12. In case anyone wants proof of dasmesh pita referring to diwali as diwali, this is from Ganda Singh's book on hukam namey, it has a photo of the original hukam nama and a transcription of the contents:: Anyone interested can get the full book here: https://www.scribd.com/document/385048860/Hukamname-edited-by-Ganda-Singh
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  13. Happy diwali everyone. Let's remember how our beloved sixth Guru spent time imprisoned in Gwalior Fort and didn't forget the good people he met there when he was going to be released. Waheguru. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Hargobind Ji. A true saint soldier and guide for humanity.
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  14. Why did ur parents give you the etiquette of supporting guru nindaks?
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  15. You ask a load of questions, but can't give straight answers yourself. So tell us what you've read in Gurmukhi, that makes you such a vidwaan at your age? How well can you read Gurmukhi? I've been doing it for years now, and I still feel like I'm just scratching the surface, but here's you making out like you've already grasped it all? It would be nice to know that we have someone who is actually knowledgeable and makes efforts to learn here. Because as of now, you just appear to be some scatter brained kid who craves attention, and tries to get this through being constantly contrary as if that demonstrates some sort of intelligence. If you've got knowledge of any depth, please share it, I'd love to hear it - but this other boll0cks you keep doing just looks like you are running around in confused circles getting nowhere.
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  16. "Dreams pass into the reality of action. From the actions stems the dream again; and this interdependence produces the highest form of living." - Anais Nin "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle "Men are disturbed not by things, but by the view which they take of them." - Epictetus "One secret of success in life is for a man to be ready for his opportunity when it comes." - Benjamin Disraeli "It is in your moments of decision that your destiny is shaped." - Tony Robbins "Efficiency is doing things right; effectiveness is doing the right things." - Peter Drucker
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  17. not at all. If a Muslim feels more of connection to Sikhism and wants to commit to the Sikh way of life then he should become a Sikh.
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  18. I'm pretty sure that there was thread on this (which you made) a few weeks ago
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  19. Not really. I am not from taksal but I was there for all protests for the past few weeks. We were able to got his diwans canceled due to his attack on naam bani, gurmantar, 5 kakkars and calling guru granth sahib jee as "Zaria". He is another sirsa saadh. dhahdre.mp4
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  20. Its a reflection of the Panth as a whole. Why are people so mesmerized by Ranjit Dhadrianwale, that they will beleive ahnything he says, even when he goes against the basic creed of Waheguru as told in the Mool Mantar? This path was trodden by the splinter Nirankaris who became the narakdharis. This path was trodden by Baba Jaimal Singh who then started his own path of radha swamis once he had got established. This path has been trodden by the Sant Gurmeet ram Rahim Singh. Now this same path is being walked on by Ranjit Dhadriwale, now that he feels he has enough support. Ajeet, Jagga, carinder, hardeep cov, you feel you need to advocate for him, why are so you blindingly accepting everything he is saying as Gurmat?
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  21. Well if it’s true why are you calling ranjit Dhahderanwala a good guy?
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  22. Ok I will try and be politer. But its very hard to find to find any polite words for these people. They are no different from the narakdharis.
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  23. Nothing wrong with celebrating the Hindu diwali and the Sikh diwali. Stop being an extremist Sikh!
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  24. I’m not a Taksali. Why are you a ghaghri cult follower? Why do you think SGGS has lies in it?
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  26. I don't know what's going on I know nothing about him. What has he done? Why are people triggered? I saw this on YouTube a few days ago and have no idea was going on
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