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  1. i dnt know too much about them i know basic stuff though All the prophets were Hebrews/Jews including Jesus, while Mohammed was Arab, Arabs claim to be descendants of Ismail the 1st son of Abraham. The story of the major Prophets is found in the Torah, which is the 5 books of Moses, the Torah is the first part of the Tanakh, which is the Hebrew bible, all together the Tanakh/Hebrew Bible is made up of several books. With the first 5 (Torah) considered the most important. The Torah which are the 5 books written by Moses records the stories of the prophets from creation and Adam in the Genesis, the first book, to the story of Moses which concludes in the 5th book cnt remember what its called now. After the 5th book of the Torah the story continues through several other book which i dnt know much about but the themes are the same, mainly stories about the Hebrews clashing with other tribes. The main protagonist in these books are minor prophets, kings and judges. The Hebrew bible is often criticized for its violence, treatment of women and morality. So the Bible starts of with god creating Adam, who is banished from the garden into the barren land after he broke Gods command and ate the apple. Once in the wilderness he has 100s of sons and grandsons with his wife Eve! two of his sons Able and Cane fight and one kills the other, the first murder. Adams descendants then spread the globe but are sinners so God decides to wipe them out with a massive flood. Noah is told to build an ark and save himself, his family and the animals bla bla bla and all the descendants of Adam are killed in the flood. So they believe that present humans are the descendant of Noah. Noah was a drunk and loved drinking wine. Noah was once drunk and sleeping and his cloth blew off and his genitals were exposed, one of his sons started looking and did stuff, the bible doesn't explain what the son did, but Noah wakes up and curses his son for doing what he did. Fast story forward, Abraham comes along. Abraham is told by God that he has a "promised land" which will be inhabited by Abrahams descendants. This same "promised land" is what the whole Israel conflict is about today. You can say this is where the tribal behavior of "muslim nations/land" "jewish land" stems off from, you can see similar notions in the creation of Pakistan as a muslim nation. But anyway Abraham then marches his people to this "Promised land" which is believed to be modern day Israel. The land was not productive and fights started breaking up between the Hebrews and Abrahams Nephew Lot decided to dump Abraham and move to Sodom with his wife and daughters. Meanwhile Abrhams wife Sarah was getting impatient because she couldn't have children. Abraham is then told by the God that he is gnna blow up the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah because the inhabitants are committing sexual sins and the men are gays. Abraham then tells God that his Nephew Lot lives in the city. God then sends his angels to save Lot and his family, as Lot is the only "righteous" man in the city. What follows is one of the most disturbing scenarios in the Bible. So while the angels walk through the city to Lots house to save him b4 God blows the city up, the gay horny men of the city decide to rape the angels. The angels then go into Lots house. The gays then start demanding Lot to hand the angels over so they can rape them. Lot then opens the door and hands his two DAUGHTERS to the men and tells them they are virgins and can have them instead!! Luckily for the young lasses the men were gays. Anyway the Angels then blind the gays and escape the city with Lot and his family, god then blows the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah up with fire. What follows next is also very disturbing. After the escape Lots daughter decide to have sex with their father, so they drunken him up and have sex with him one after the other and end up pregnant. After this episode, Abrahams wife is still childless and tells Abraham to have sex with her Egyptian slave girl Haggar instead. Abraham then has sex with Haggar and she gives birth to a son named Ismail, years later Sarah eventually gets pregnant and has a son named Isaac. Sarah then tells Abraham to banish Haggar and her son Ismail into the wilderness which is what Abraham does. Arabs claim to be descendants of Ismail and Muhammed is also a descendant of Ismail. God then tests Abrahams faith and tells him to sacrifice his son Isaac, just b4 Abraham was to cut Isaacs heads off God replaces Isaac with a lamb. This is where the jewish and islamic traditions of animal sacrifice come from. This story is what inspired the muslim fasting and Eid festival. Abrahams son Isaac had two sons Jacob and Esau, Jacob had 12 sons including Joseph. Joseph ended up in Egypt where he was popular among the Pharaoh. Joseph then invited the Hebrews to Egypt for better opportunity. The old Pharaoh died and his son was not nice to the Hebrews and decided to make them into slaves and get them to build the pyramids, palaces etc Fast story forward, God then chooses Moses to free his people from Egyptian slavery and take them back to the "promised land" The Pharaoh refuses and then God decides to send the 10 plagues onto the Egyptians. The most barbaric being God kills every first born son of the Egyptians. Would Waheguru ji do that? After this the Pharaoh decides to free the Hebrews and let them go so Moses along with Joshua guide the Hebrews out of Egypt and towards the "promised land" The Pharaoh changes his mind and starts chasing after the Hebrews along with his army. The Hebrews reach a dead end, the red sea. God then parts the red sea and the Hebrews walk through it reaching the shore on the other side, the sea then closes up on the Pharaoh and Egyptians chasing them and the Pharaoh and his army drown. Moses then climbs mount Sinai and receives the 10 commandments from God, these commandments form the foundation of the 3 Abrahamic faiths. Once Moses comes down the mountain after 40 days with the 10 commandments carved in stone he see's the Hebrews dancing around and worshiping a idol of a golden calf. Moses breaks the stone and orders the killing of his own people, this: Exodus 32:25-28 (NASB)Now when Moses saw that the people were out of control—for Aaron had let them get out of control to be a derision among their enemies—then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me!” And all the sons of Levi gathered together to him. He said to them, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, ‘Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor.’ ” So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day. Now you tell me would our beloved Guru ji order the murder of his own Sikhs even if they have rejected his Dharam? After this incident Moses and Joshua guiding the Hebrews walk around the Judean desert for 40s yrs looking for the "promised land" till they reach the borders of the land. Moses died b4 he can enter and Joshua takes over. The Hebrews had been slaves in Egypt for 100s of years and in the meantime and Canaanites had settled in what is the promised land of the Hebrews. God then orders Joshua and the Hebrews to carry out and genocide on the Canaanites: 17 but vyou shall devote them to complete destruction,1 the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded, 17 And the city and all that is within it shall be ndevoted to the Lord for destruction.2 Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she ohid the messengers whom we sent. After this genocide and destruction the Hebrews move into the city and settle down. This Theme of God ordering Genocide is quite repetitive in the Hebrew bible: Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ – 1 Reigns (1 Samuel) 15:2-3[1] They warred against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every male…And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones, and they took as plunder all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they lived, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, and took all the spoil and all the plunder, both of man and of beast…Moses said to them, “Have you let all the women live? Behold, these, on Balaam’s advice, caused the people of Israel to act treacherously against the Lord in the incident of Peor, and so the plague came among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves. – Numbers 31:7,9-11,15-18 This Theme of God ordering the genocide of other tribes, ordering the plunder, and the rape and kidnapping of females from the other tribes continues into the Islamic scriptures. Muhammed did the exact same thing! he ordered the murder of various Jewish tribes and also permitted his followers to keep the women of these tribes. The Quran refers to these women as "what your right hand posses" Muhammed himself had a Christian Coptic girl which Allah permitted him to have sex with. Muhammeds clashes and murder of these Jewish tribes can be found in the Quran and Hadiths. You can see where the Muslims get all these things from. The idea of slaughtering people who do not belong to your tribe and plundering their wealth, started of with the God of the Hebrew Bible ordering it, these same ideas trickled down into the Islamic scriptures. And you see Muslims doing the exact same thing today. As for Christians, the Hebrew Bible is what they call the old testament, while the Gospels, which record the life of Jesus are what they call the New Testament. The Gospels are quite peaceful from what i know. Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, the Jews rejected this claim and demanded the Romans to crucify him. Later the Muslims came. Quran claims that the Jews and Christians have altered the message of God in the Torah and Gosepls and that the Quran is the direct unaltered word of God. Muslims believe in the Hebrew prophets but believe the Jews altered the stories in the Torah. What these Muslims are doing to non muslims is no different to the stories you can find in the Abrahamic scriptures. The murdering, plundering and abduction of of others women.
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  2. At this time of global crisis sikhs need to look out for each other ensure we only help fellow Sikhs first especially those vulnerable elderly, disabled, single mothers with young kids. Alot of Sikhs are self employed so will be out of work with not much work and income coming in the government is not gonna do much for them so will be in real financial troubles we need to ensure they get looked after with langar meals somehow and the most desperate are able to get donations to keep them going until this pandemic has passed. Dont give any of your sewa or donations to Khalsa Aid or other rogue charities where they dont exclusively only help fellow Sikhs
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  3. What are you on about? I think what Puzzled has written is well summarised and quite factually correct. He hasn't disrespected anyone.
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  4. There's nothing wrong with Jesus. And there's nothing wrong with being a Christian. Show some respect for other faiths. We as Sikhs may not agree with other religions. But we are taught to respect others beliefs.
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  5. Yea no one’s journey is “safe” and without bumps. I guess we have to make the best out of it. and youll be fine, we never know where well be taken karam/kismet wise so we cant worry about that. Maybe now is not the right time for marriage and the future is. Maharaj will set it up when its time
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  6. This is what happens when you place ideology before common sense. People get hurt.
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  7. West Midlands emerges as a hotspot for coronavirus deaths In an interview with the Guardian, the Birmingham MP Khalid Mahmood said older Muslim and Sikh people in the area were struggling to adhere to government guidelines about physical distancing because of their religious convictions. Despite most religious services being cancelled, some older people were allegedly continuing to attend mosques and gurdwaras to pray, Mahmood said. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/west-midlands-emerges-as-a-hotspot-for-coronavirus-deaths
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