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"Women are not whining or complaining on forum" Disagreed. There are threads in this website regarding women complaining of conversion by their non sikh husbands. Even on YouTube, several sikh women have complained about "love jihaad" by Muslim men in UK. There are several documentaries on that topic as well. The only point am making is that these women are playing "victim card". They very well knew that guy is Muslim or non sikh, still involve relationship with him and when things don't work out, they play as victims of love jihaad. Muslims are programmed by Islam itself to convert people. If tomorrow a Muslim tries to convert me, I will show him who truly sikhs are and what is the meaning of khalsa. Our ancestors gave their heads, not turban or sikhi. "Society excuse men" Thats a typical pseudo feminist statement. Who told you this? Sikhi is the ONLY religion that treats both genders equally. I have seen sikh men get disowned by families if they trim beard or do kesh katal. One of my relative went to China for MBBS in a private medical college, he got influenced by wrong peer pressure and decided to become a mona, since then his parents have not talked to him and declared him dead for themselves. "I know of 1 case"..... yes you know 1 or few cases where sikh men converted but I live in Delhi and here, not gonna lie, I know more than 100 cases where sikh women converted(including amritdhari women) to hinduism(mostly) and to islam. I don't know a single case where a sardar gave up his turban for a non sikh/sikh woman. Rather, I have seen clean shaven sikhs becoming keshdharis. I know sikh men including my own family where they married a hindu girl and she became a guriskh(by choice) after marriage and raise gursikh kids. I suggest you to come to India and see for yourself. Let's be real, in today's time, sikh men are the backbone of our kaum. Agreed there are some who drink, smoke, beat women, have non Sikh lifestyles etc....but there are plenty of gursikh men who do follow sikhi with full passion and dedication. Go to Gurudwara Bangla sahib at 3 am in morning, I feel proud to say that I see countless amritdhari/keshdhari men chanting waheguru while doing sewa. I hardly see any women participation. Gurudwara is open to all so why women have so less involvement in sewa? Look am not a hater, am an amritdhari myself but we need to think realistically and practically. We need to find a solution why majority of sikh women are not following sikhism as compared to overwhelming population of gursikh men. Its a sensitive but important topic for debate.

That's what we are good for these days, handing out free food! Any event, catastrophe that is happening in the world, we will be doing the catering!

All these years Daren Sammy says he didn't know what Kalu means(even though his Twitter posts says otherwise) but this year when no team signed him up to renew his contract in IPL he came out with this racism allegation. Now it's also coming out that he also has deep close links with Pakistan who probably are using him to embarrass India months after Pakistan was embarrassed by its own Danish Kaneria incident which shows how non Muslims are treated in Pakistan. The timing of Daren Sammy coming out with his racism allegations is also suspect since it came out right now when black lives matter protests are happening all over the west so his allegation would get maximum media exposure.

Sikhojagoo is probably a little kid. He was probably a naive, fresh kid getting into Sikhi when he made the anti-3ho comments. After a few years of exposure to some of the negative elements within us, he is jaded and angry. Plus, people who only pose problems but no attempts to come up with solutions should be avoided. They're negative and want you on their level.

Definitely a VERY confused person. I think it's an apna/apnee who is petrified at changes taking place in the world right now? Earlier on he/she said this: Yet 5 years ago s/he posted the following about 3H0:

I think that really crudely characterises the man, and doesn't factor in how his political prowess and acumen obtained a super powerful, economically flourishing, militarily mighty state for Sikhs (and others) to live in, when in his own grandfather's time Sikhs were being hunted down and massacred in droves and had to retreat into the jungles or go to other states (and only Waheguru knows how many Sikh children were taken away as slaves during all this!). Yes, he wasn't a perfect man (who is?) but he put us on the map and showed us that at least one apna was capable of carving out a modern, powerful state - and that too surrounded by violent and hostile forces on all sides. And in an era of extremity and brutality, even his opponents had to concede that he had a very humane, compassionate nature. A bit more than just a horny drunk.

Even the greatest of Rishis who did tapasya for 1000s of years fell for their vices. he's like nope, i didn't see that, that's not my baby, i know nothing about it, take it away lol!

has anyone noticed that Guru Hargobind Sahib jis sword/tegha has a carving of kali on it. This is the same tegha that guru ji killed painde khan with. Right under the hilt of the sword is a image of a tiger pouncing, tigers pounce onto their prey when hunting, and above the image of the tiger is a image of kali. I'm guessing this is because kali is associated with war and destroying evil. close up detail of the tiger with Persian? writing above it kali

We Sikhs don’t need to be shown in this way. We know what we are. Indian culture does not appreciate subtle messages live Western culture. Indians will see this as another evidence of Sikhs being ‘dumb’

Maybe you didnt grow up in the 90s like I did but Sikh characters back then were often portrayed as stupid silly characters and they often had names like Chadda or Kohli. I don't want to see a return of this.

How to Feed Crowds in a Protest or Pandemic? The Sikhs Know Their centuries-old faith tradition of nourishing anyone in need has found new energy and purpose in America’s turmoil. The Sikh Center of New York, in Queens Village, has served more than 145,000 free meals in the last two months, as part of their faith tradition of feeding anyone in need.Credit...Ryan Christopher Jones for The New York Times By Priya Krishna June 8, 2020 Inside a low, brick-red building in Queens Village, a group of about 30 cooks has made and served more than 145,000 free meals in just 10 weeks. They arrive at 4 a.m. three days a week to methodically assemble vast quantities of basmati rice, dal, beans and vibrantly flavored sabzis for New York City hospital workers, people in poverty and anyone else in search of a hot meal. This isn’t a soup kitchen or a food bank. It’s a gurdwara, the place of worship for Sikhs, members of the fifth-largest organized religion in the world, with about 25 million adherents. Providing for people in need is built into their faith. An essential part of Sikhism is langar, the practice of preparing and serving a free meal to promote the Sikh tenet of seva, or selfless service. Anyone, Sikh or not, can visit a gurdwara and partake in langar, with the biggest ones — like the Golden Temple in Amritsar, India — serving more than 100,000 people every day. Since the coronavirus pandemic has halted religious gatherings in most of the country, including langar, gurdwaras like the Sikh Center of New York, in Queens Village, are mobilizing their large-scale cooking resources to meet the skyrocketing need for food aid outside their places of worship. Image The Queens Village group fed people last week at a Sunnyside protest over the killing of George Floyd and other black Americans by the police.Credit...Ryan Christopher Jones for The New York Times Some are feeding the protesters marching in outrage over the killings of George Floyd and other black Americans by the police. Last week, a dozen or so volunteers from the Queens center served 500 portions of matar paneer, rice and rajma, a creamy, comforting dish of red beans stewed with tomatoes, and 1,000 bottles of water and cans of soda to demonstrators in Sunnyside. They also offered dessert: kheer, a sweetened rice pudding. Unlock more free articles. Create an account or log in “Where we see peaceful protest, we are going,” said Himmat Singh, a coordinator at the World Sikh Parliament, an advocacy group providing volunteers for the Queens Village efforts. “We are looking for justice. We support this.” Since the pandemic began, soup kitchens have had difficulty keeping up with demand. Shuttered schools and even fine-dining restaurants are using their kitchens to prepare and serve hot meals. But few other places are as well positioned to handle the sheer scale of assistance required right now as the gurdwaras. Most have large, well-equipped kitchens, a steady stream of volunteers and no shortage of ingredients, thanks to regular donations from community members. During the last annual Sikh Day Parade in New York, in April 2019, the Queens Village kitchen — which has a walk-in cooler, multiple freezers, 50-liter stockpots and a huge grill that can cook dozens of rotis at once — produced 15,000 meals in a single day. Image Because of the Sikh tradition of langar, the free meal served at all gurdwaras to anyone who wants it, Sikhs have the resources to distribute food on a large scale.Credit...Ryan Christopher Jones for The New York Times The Sikhs’ biggest challenge isn’t keeping up with demand. It’s letting people know that they’re here — without making a big show of it or proselytizing, which is forbidden. Latest Updates: George Floyd Protests Updated 36m ago ‘I should not have been there,’ Milley says of Trump photo op. Trump tells the Seattle mayor to ‘take back your city’ from protesters. Inside the ‘Autonomous Zone,’ the police have retreated and protesters have set up a co-op. See more updates Founded in the 15th century in Punjab, India, by the spiritual leader Guru Nanak, Sikhism has an estimated 500,000 followers in the United States and 280 gurdwaras, according to the Sikh Coalition, a civil-rights organization in New York City. One of the most visibly distinctive features of the Sikh practice is the turban — a symbol of the religion’s belief in equality — though not everyone chooses to wear one. Sikhs in America have been often been prey to bigotry, hate crimes and Islamophobia, particularly since 9/11. A few volunteers said in interviews that before going out to distribute meals, they worried that they might hear ignorant comments. But Santokh Dillon, the president of the Guru Nanak Mission Society of Atlanta, said the people he serves are often more puzzled than prejudiced. Most have never even heard of Sikhism, he said. When some find out that the meals are free, “They look at us and say, ‘You are kidding, right?’ ” At least 80 gurdwaras in the United States are now providing food assistance. For many, the transition has been quick and seamless. This is not just because the infrastructure is already there, said Satjeet Kaur, the executive director of the Sikh Coalition. “The call to action and the responsibility” for helping others is deeply entrenched in the Sikh way of life. Sikhs are expected to donate at least 10 percent of their time or income toward community service. Image Himmat Singh, the president of the World Sikh Parliament, is helping to lead the efforts in Queens Village.Credit...Ryan Christopher Jones for The New York Times It took the Gurdwara Sahib of Fremont, Calif., just a few days after suspending religious services in March to set up a meal and grocery delivery program, and a drive-through meal pickup system outside the gurdwara. Cooks wear gloves and masks, and the kitchen is big enough for workers to stand more than six feet from one another. As at most gurdwaras, the menu changes regularly, but is typically Indian and always vegetarian. (Meat is not permitted in gurdwaras.) While these Sikh volunteers, known as sevadars, are experts in mass-meal preparation, they aren’t as accustomed to spreading the word. The Fremont kitchen has produced 15,000 to 20,000 meals a day on holidays like New Year’s Eve, said Dr. Pritpal Singh, a member of the gurdwara. But now, the gurdwara is serving just 100 to 150 people each day. Dr. Singh said he hoped that more people in need would come pick up food. “We could do hundreds of thousands of meals if given the task,” he said. But with the demonstrations unfolding around the country, Sikhs aren’t waiting for people to come to them any longer. On Tuesday, volunteers from the Gurdwara Sahib attended a protest in Fremont and handed out several hundred bottles of water as a show of solidarity. On a recent Friday, Gurjiv Kaur and Kiren Singh asked the volunteers at their gurdwara, the Khalsa Care Foundation, in the Pacoima neighborhood of Los Angeles, to prepare meals in the community kitchen that they could take to the protest. The next morning, they and others picked up about 700 containers of pasta with a garlic- and onion-laden tomato sauce and 500 bottles of water from the gurdwara, and set up a tent in Pan Pacific Park. Soon, protesters started arriving at the tent with other donations, like medical supplies, snacks and hand sanitizer. “It is our duty to stand up with others to fight for justice,” said Ms. Kaur, a graduating senior at the University of California, Irvine. “Langar at its core is a revolution — against inequality and the caste system,” the antiquated hereditary class structure in South Asia, which Sikhism has always rejected. Image Swaranjit Singh Khalsa has been coordinating with five gurdwaras in the Norwich, Conn., area to serve meals at protests.Credit...Swaranjit Singh Khalsa In Norwich, Conn., volunteers from five gurdwaras handed out a few hundred bottles of water to protesters last Tuesday, and on Friday, distributed as many containers of rajma, or kidney beans, and rice on a Main Street sidewalk, a block from City Hall. Swaranjit Singh Khalsa, a volunteer and a member of the Norwich Board of Education, noted that historically, many Sikhs in India have been killed by the police while fighting for their civil rights. Image Volunteers at the Hacienda de Guru Ram Das strictly abide by Covid-19 guidelines, wearing masks and gloves while preparing and handing out meals.Credit...Ramsay de Give for The New York Times At many gurdwaras in the United States, most of those who show up for langar meals are Sikhs. Now that they are catering to a broader population, menus have changed to suit different tastes. In the Seattle area, volunteers at the Gurudwara Sacha Marag Sahib are making pasta and tacos in addition to rice and dal. At the Hacienda de Guru Ram Das in Española, N.M., meals have included enchiladas and burritos. Still, Harimandir Khalsa, a volunteer, said the community kitchen is operating at less than 10 percent of its capacity. Image Some gurdwaras, like the Hacienda de Guru Ram Das, have modified their offerings from the usual Indian food to accommodate local tastes.Credit...Ramsay de Give for The New York Times “I think it is about convenience,” Mr. Khalsa said, as the gurdwara isn’t centrally located. “If we had a food truck parked in front of Walmart that said, ‘Free food,’ we could get more takers. But for people to get in their cars and drive over to this place — people aren’t that desperate yet.” Location is also an issue for the Guru Ramdas Gurdwara Sahib in Vancouver, Wash., as the neighborhood doesn’t have much foot traffic, said Mohan Grewal, the gurdwara secretary. So every other Sunday, volunteers pack up 300 to 400 meals made in the gurdwara and drive them to the Living Hope Church, a Christian congregation six miles away, in a more urban part of the city. One of the biggest challenges for gurdwaras is that many hospitals, shelters and other charitable organizations they’d like to help don’t take cooked food because of hygienic concerns, or accept it only if it meets certain health codes. Many Sikhs have started collecting and distributing pantry items in addition to making meals. Image Many Sikh communities have set up drive-throughs outside their gurdwaras to distribute food. At the Riverside Gurdwara, people line up two hours early to get a meal.Credit...Kendrick Brinson for The New York Times Still, some gurdwaras are bustling. In Riverside, Calif., a hub for the Sikh population, volunteers from the United Sikh Mission, an American nonprofit aid group, and the Khalsa School Riverside, a children’s program, serve 3,000 to 5,000 meals every day at the Riverside Gurdwara. People line up in the drive-through as early as 9:30 a.m., even though it doesn’t open until 11:30. The process is highly systematized. The cooking team shows up at 5:30 a.m. to prepare meals based on previous days’ numbers, as well as requests from senior centers, hospitals and nursing homes; another team packs the meals into microwave-safe boxes; and the third distributes them at the drive-through and other locations. The gurdwara shares information about the free meals through regular posts on large Facebook groups for local residents. Image Volunteers at the Riverside Gurdwara like Gurpreet Singh hand out 3,000 to 5,000 meals every day.Credit...Kendrick Brinson for The New York Times “We didn’t just sit there and say we are going to cook and wait for people to come,” said Gurpreet Singh, a volunteer for the United Sikh Mission. Since the protests, Mr. Singh and others have been reaching out to black organizations, like churches, offering to drop off meals or groceries. They expect to see an increase in people showing up for meals, as thousands have been attending protests in the area. Image In addition to meals, some gurdwaras are also handing out groceries. Credit...Kendrick Brinson for The New York Times Groups like United Sikhs, an international nonprofit, are helping to get the word out. They have stepped up efforts to identify areas of need, connect gurdwaras with organizations seeking assistance, provide best practices for food preparation during the pandemic and mobilize Sikhs to help feed protesters. While the pandemic continues, a few gurdwaras aren’t using their kitchens. Tejkiran Singh, a spokesman for the Singh Sabha of Michigan, west of Detroit, said the gurdwara committee decided it was too risky to start a meal distribution service, especially since Michigan has become a hot spot for the coronavirus. When the Sikh Society of Central Florida, in Oviedo, reopens on June 14, services will be limited to fewer people, and food will be handed out in to-go containers as they leave. But Amit Pal Singh and Charanjit Singh, the chairman and the treasurer of the Sikh Society of Central Florida, also want to continue the drive-through and delivery services they developed during the pandemic. “The concept of langar is to serve the needy,” Mr. Pal Singh said. Before the pandemic, he said, most people participating in langar were local Sikhs coming more for social and religious reasons than out of need. The drive-through and deliveries will allow them to put meals into the hands of people who struggle to afford to eat. That will mean a lot of extra food for volunteers to prepare, in a city where the Sikh population is still small. But none of that seemed to worry Mr. Pal Singh. “We would love to be in that situation,” he said, his optimism vibrating through the phone. “We will handle it.”

Look that was never my intention. I just don't want Sikhs to get the reputation of being 'thick' and I don't want Sikh boys being bullied outside of Punjab due to movies like this.

Yep, that's what I said earlier. It's a pure PR exercise.

feeling so lucky to be a Sikh!

It's all staged for the oncoming race war.

This is the best answer so far on this topic. Thanx a lot veerji! This is exactly what we Sikhs need to do. Just one correction brother, am not blaming all sikh women, I said majority. Living in Delhi for 20 years and in Maharashtra for 3 years, I have seen hundreds of "kaurs" converted to Hinduism and typing "proud to be a sikh" in their profile. They follow all hindu rituals, do murti pooja, keep useless fasts, karwachauth etc and call themselves "sikhs". This has really disturbed me a lot but later on, I realized I must focus on myself that I NEVER become like these traitors and always progess as a gursikh. The only thing that I can do at best is spread awareness and prachaar. You explained this problem regarding Sikh women perfectly.??

Alot of truth in your posts but you cant blame all sikh women for these problems entirely. Sikhs need to stop being cucks and create fellowship with like minded sikhs. It is alot of left wing communist atheist brainwashing by the mainstream media and sarbat da bhalla types that have brainwashed not just women but alot of sikh males into liberal care free attitudes not standing up for Sikhi when its required. Only right wing sikh nationalist programming will set the kaum on the right path again. We have to remember women generally love dominance love muscularity and they look for security/safety, power and not just good looks to mat. If they see you as a strong dominant powerful man you being instantly desirable if they see Sikh men of today with huge turbans and beards carrying kirpans but always the weak cowardly getting beaten by everyone and and serving everyone like a langari slave without giving parchar spreading sikhi and defending his own community these kinda traits dont attract or impress most women. The weak turbanned sikh and weak khalsa it seems is slowly dying a natural evolution death in Sikh community just as the turban has done with persian society, muslim society, jewish society, afghan society and hindu rajput society. Majority women themselves are choosing to go for non-turban wearing guys because balance of power has shifted away from turban males unlike centuries past where if you didnt have a turban and huge beard you'd be considered a nobody in society, not a man and feminine looking. Most muslim women are not practising and prefer guys who are not molvi types. After they get married sometimes they want to go all out religious or if they got bad past they become religious hijab wearing nuns to get married. The main thing Sikhs need to focus on is changing their mindset to right wing Sikh nationalism then after that getting power and dominance whether that's in the streets by group muscle running area's or politics or by financial means. With power everything else will follow. The condition of a most woman is that they are sheeples they are usually the first to jump on the popular bandwagons by flocking to the current trends and narratives created by mostly dominant vocal assertive males of society. So if the dominant males are hindus or muslims spreading their own ideology and flexing their numbers then they dont even need to even groom the women of other communities as they themselves will feel more protected and attracted to those who can further provide for their needs.

i dont think so. You have to remember that most artists were trained from birth in their families and were part of guilds. So they were taught certain symbolism and metaphors. For example even poets when they want to say something is beautiful they compare it to a moon or rose. Power with the sun. War with kali. Wealth with lakshami. It was cultural symbolism. Even though the western world became Christian, they did not abandon the age-old symbols of Greek and Roman dieties. They named planets to spaceships to beauty products after artemis, ares, apollo. They use them to describe and inspire themselves. Like she is athenian in wisdom. Instead all the myths became part of higher education in humanities and arts.And most famous poets used these symbols again and again. Just because people read Classics like Homer and Illiad and the Odyssey, does not mean they believe it or worship it. So to be sophisticated was to he educated enough to use these symbols. It was art. It was myths. People and especially the sikh misls and sikh infantry units adopted these as symbols like coat of arms. Not to worship them but as metaphors for their qualities like ruthless, brave, strategic. Also guilds had these symbols. So if u wanted to show that ur sword was made by the best swordmakers or artists, you displayed their signatures proudly. And these signatures were usually dieties that represented those jobs. Like carpenters had the God of woodworking. Poets and scribes had Saraswathi. Also these were ways that the illiterate could find the part of the bazaar related to metals, books etc. Like kids these days will divide them up into teams like Spiderman, batman etc.

Something weird going on here. Persons been posting for 5 years. I think it might be one of those confused, slave mentality types within our community (we have our fair share!!) distraught at the fall from grace of his/her beloved master.

The gods and goddesses are real, many have their own seva, different tasks helping the universe run. Their stories teach us of how and how not to be. We learn from others, including humans.

Is this twat even an apna/apnee? I don't know.....??? Sounds like a white person in disguise? Anyway read this, before you talk about being civilised. The opposite is true, they actually set us back: http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/12683-the-prebritish-annexation-educational-system-in-the-panjab/

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That's why I said I will never marry a sardarni in my previous posts. Most Indian Sardarnis(especially from delhi) have no self respect and will spread their legs for any non Sikh guy and convert to Hinduism or islam. After marriage they realise their mistake and play victim card. And some of our dumb sikh brothers will say "Sikhi teaches humanity" "We are her brothers we must help her"..........to all such sikh men, I advise you to wake up. This sikh woman is not a victim. She married a muslim in her right mind and senses. She dug her own grave. She deserved it. Don't show sympathy for such traitors. Never forget, Guru Har rai ji disowned his son Ram rai for changing a word in gurbaani. Sikh gurus have never shown sympathy to traitors or enemies of sikhism. Plz wake up and don't fall in pseudo liberal propaganda of media. @jkvlondon Any words miss? Do you still believe that sikh men should wait for gursikh women? I hope you remember our previous debate. Mam, plz wake up. There are countless posts on this website regarding conversion of sikh women but I have not seen a single post of amritdhari guy leaving sikhi for a non sikh woman.

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It's a good thing to be 'islamophobic', common sense even. They actively seek to convert our people and destroy their lives. The person who invented the term islamophobic now realises what muslims are truly like. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-51797316

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I think people don't understand female psychology. Women tend to go for the most dominant man of the most dominant tribe. This is something hardwired into them. You see the same behaviours in the animal kingdom. There is a war-bride phenomenon (a form of stockholm syndrome of sorts). This what all the Abrahamic religions understand, that you invade another tribe, you kill the men and then take the most attractive women. Abrahamics are based on old tribal ways, going back to hunter-gatherer days. Us dharmics for most part have grown out of this behaviour but it is important to understand.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. Just realise that these so-called friendships and cordial ties will NEVER overtake the affection and zeal a Muslim possesses in his heart for his religion. If there's a choice to be made between you and Allah, there is no choice because Allah wins 100% of the time. It's a conditional relationship in many respects, almost (and I'm not dehumanising them) similar to one between a wild animal and a human. Yes, you may feed the creature, and eventually it may grow fond of its human companion, but when its wild, animalistic bloodlust kicks into gear, no past moments of kindness on your part will sway the force of its attack. You will always lose. So, what can you do? Well, you can try to subdue it, temporarily, and hope it behaves itself, or stay away completely if you don't have the desire to be around something so unpredictable. Because there's not a chance in hell it will ever be tamed of its own volition.

Theres a video on youtube of a british black man having a moan because he got accused of grooming punjabi females because he had a couple of one night stands with a few. He was quite pissed off.

And he had his 5mins of fun and then hopped right out again lol

And the Muslim joined her in it.

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Eat healthily, go running for cardio and yoga is good in conjunction with this. I do weights, running and yoga, sometimes Pilates.

my parents always told me nihang singhs survived of eating lots of sholay (chickpeas) they have lots of power in em. also shardai (without sukha) its full of power

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Never understood why these people are referred to as missionaries. I've come to see them as Sikh secularists; supporting Sikh political and social aims but lacking in the spirituality of the belief system. The term 'missionary' has connotations in the English language that denote something entirely different.

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This is probably a different question, but how can we verify that historic artifacts are real? Also, how should we be preserving and handling them to keep them safe, I always find it odd the tegha is being held by bare hands instead of wearing gloves.

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What does this quote say about you as an individual? Having an disability is being dim witted and of low iq? So you feel having someone of Sikh heritage portrayed like Forest Gump is something for Sikh community to be ashamed of. Seriously go and educate yourself!

You have just done it again! Using the term ‘thick’ to label hidden disabilities is not right for a Sikh to be using in this context. A Sikhs character should be to protect the vulnerable and stand up to the bullies, not be worried about being on the receiving end. I don’t think you have done this intentionally but I do suggest you watch ‘Forest Gump’ again and try and search for the inspirational message within. My take on it was that no matter how much Forest Gump was limited by his disability and the cards that life had dealt him, he had the hand of ‘Akaal Purkh’ protecting and providing opportunities that worked in his favour. He ironically had a ‘Chardi Kala’ spirit.