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would have been better to tattoo gurbani to heart and kept sabat soorat then they wouldn't have to tattoo their 'proof of faith' like idiots but 'pagal de sirr utte sing nahin hunde' as bazurg are wont to say.

yes it is a satiya naas, not that she'll ever be able to spell check herself

Same situation everywhere.At my place I know some people who used to keep Kesh then they cut it and became mona.Then they have tattoos all over their arms.Really disappointing that this is happening in the Panth.?

same I don't know if any girls here are ready to get married. But its not that hard to get spouse vise. My cousin did that.

Back to the original post, those masks are ridiculously over priced, my mum has been making masks similar to those for the sangat at the Gurdwara (for free), the ones she made are similar, i showed her these and she said they cost about £1.00 to make, seem's there's profit to be made in everything. On another note, if you don't want to wear a mask then that's your call, you have every right to that opinion, i could bang on about the lunacy of some of the opinions i've read but until you or someone you know has been through it with Covid-19 then all your talking just amounts to nothing more than opinion not fact, someone posting something on Youtube claiming it to be a truth doesn't make it so.

No bruh, not bogus. I spent 2 weeks in hospital and ended up few days on oxygen. 5th week and i am still recovering. I have no underlying condition and i am in 30's and this virus shit still beats the crap out of me. Wear a mask until it is over and safe.

depends where in Australia you're talking about

I mean now because of corona.

Not any that I know of here. Tell me in what area you're looking for cause where I live there is a decent amount, but I'm not 100% sure that they're ready to get married.

Not sure if you know but yesterday there was a lot of angry Hindus on Twitter. A Ex Muslim Armin Nawabi uploaded inappropriate images of Kali Mata in s3xual positions and winking etc Hindus in return are doing their usual thing and sending him threats and insulting the guys mother etc. The guy is Iranian and had uploaded a photo of his mothers appearance before and after the Iranian islamic revolution and Hindus have photoshopped his mothers face onto porn actresses etc. Most Christian channels and ex muslims have a big % of Hindu followers and fan boys. A lot of these Christian channels and ex Muslims upload cartoons of muhammed and the Hindus love it, but now an ex Muslim has uploaded inappropriate images of Kali Mata the same Hindus are angry, Mohammed Hijab has tweeted about this hypocrisy as well. My point is, Sikhs should stay out of all of this, because we have a lot of portraits of our Gurus and other saints and female figures and people do a lot of sick stuff to religious images to offend people. Watching the videos is fine and reading tweets etc, but if you start writing comments then things might turn nasty, like this whole Kali mata incident. At the end of the day atheists are atheists, just coz they are criticising Islam or Christianity that doesnt mean they wont start on Sikhi, and you obviously don't want that. Majority of the comments under these videos are normally 100s of Hindu comments and Christian's but I do see the odd Sikh persons comments aswell. They make really interesting videos, but just saying ... Sikhs shouldn't get too involved in those kinds of things, or atleast not make their presence felt, because things can turn really nasty like what's happening right now.

Although we’re 25 million yet Sikhi is so big - I mean 10 Gurus, Shaheeds, Mahapurakhs, 5 Takhats. The spirit of the Gurus in Guru Granth Sahib including Dasam Granth and Sarbloh Granth. You never stop learning.

Thank you so much for posting this Veer Ji You are always so helpful.

Vaheguru ji, when doing simran I start to feel a sort of vibration/ tingling feeling around my face , what is this? It starts of at the tip of nose then slowly all over my face. It’s like a tingling sensation all over. Sometimes it goes all over body through my arms and legs. It’s a bit scary as I don’t know what’s going on or if I’m doing something wrong. Also, around my ears and inside, it’s like something is moving in circles, I can’t explain the feeling. What is this? With guru Kirpa I’ve started to ignore the sounds and this has lead to a little progression. Im still young ji only 20 could you give tips on how to sit in one Assan for longer please, and other posts simran related? I can go around an hour and half in one assan then I have to switch legs, it’s so annoying as dhiyaan breaks lol.

Thank you for this!

You can do that. Just end at the end of an astpadi. Dont end in the middle of an astpadi. (If u have to speak or go check on ur stove, its best to speak at the end of a pauri or astpadi when reading gurbani.) And read the last 2 lines twice and then say fateh.

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I was gnna get a tattoo in my mona days, thank waheguru that i didnt! the irony when you see some fat bellied mona with a beer in his hand and a Baba Deep Singh ji tattoo on his arm. Some Indian actress i think it was the mandira bedi had ek onkar tattoo on her back and then she got it covered over with another tattoo because she started getting threats from Punjab.

it's parents like that , who end up their daughter's enemies

Are you okay? How long does this affect your body?

With a Singh from outside Punjab like Delhi, Bombay etc to be honest I don't see a Sikh a lot of times, I see a Keshdari Hindu. It is very hard to explain, it is not the tangibles like Kesh and Dastaar. It's the intangibles of how to come across in body language, your energy, presence etc. Metro Sikhs and non Punjab Sikhs likely to be in a minority so the physical identity is more important. Sikhs in Punjab are not in a tiny minority so probably get complacent. Plus they are unique on the subcontinent as they don't get their cues from Delhi and Bombay but from other diaspora countries.

Keep us updated bro on your search. Hopefully this is your year??

No, it is not allowed. They are just being sheep and following a trend.

Nope. This body is given by our god and Waheguru ji made it perfect as per our soul’s Karma. We are nobody to modify it or to make it look more materialistic kalyugi “beautiful”. Craze of this new trend is started by the crappy Bollywood. Our folks should be following khalsa Panth but not some jokers hijarray from Bombay. ??

When my family, friends and relatives heard and saw me what I went thru, all of them started taking extra precautions. Some people only believe when it happens to someone in their family and sadly it can be real deadly and too late by that time.

I Didn’t know they can all speak in punjabi ?

There also has to be langar of the mind, people need to stop reading like parrots, when there is a raho, stop think about what has just been said and contemplate.

A small minority are drawn to the spiritual life without prompting. It feels instinctive and correct. They don't need to be cajoled or scared into it. It just makes sense to them even if they can't quite articulate why. They keep themselves to themselves, and don't feel the need to amplify their inner workings. Another group go through the motions because it's expected of them. While this group isn't physically forced or compelled to do so, the slightly more spiritual people around that person expect him or her to lead a spiritual life even if that particular person has intermittent doubts about the purpose of it all. They have the occasional glimpses of something beyond the physical, but can't quite let go. They're decent people trying to make sense of it all. Another group seems to find God only once they've hit rock bottom after having sampled the delights of Maya. Personally, I'm wary of these types of people. They usually go overboard in order to compensate for their past. They tend to virtue signal their loyalty and adherence to their new path by portraying themselves as loyal zealots in the hope this will somehow erase their past misdeeds. They exchange one brand of extreme behaviour for another, mistakenly assuming the latter is divinely sanctioned. These types struggle with the act of contemplating the inner self because they're afraid of what they'll see if they stop to look.

It happened because of the female demand of wanting to marry a clean shaven boy that men/teens began cutting their kesh and beard. All though we say all caste are the same but you can clearly see which girls belonging to which caste are demanding clean shaven boys the most. Jattis top the list. Khatri and RamGaria girls are much better in this regard which is why their boys are more Sabat Surat. J&K and Hazuri Sikhs are probably the best of Sikhs. A clean shaven Sikh is almost non existent in their ranks. Even within regions there is a difference. Doaba is where you will find the most clean shaven boys followed by Majha. Within Punjab Sikhi is strongest in Malwa. Maybe it is due to the high degree of influence of Sants in Malwa

"Demoness", "female Satan", that's a very Abrahamic way of looking at an Indic concept.

Sat Sri Akal Singh Veer ji.. I am so grateful for this post of yours.. You have explained it so well.. I listen to Sant Maskeen ji on regular basis.. Sant Maskeen ji made it so clear about Naam Simran.. ''Rasna Naam Jappy.. Mann Suney...'' I am not even a proper beginner of this spiritual journey as I dont get up early for naam simran.. but I try to listen Kirtan and Kathas during the day .. Of course it is not enough... Few days back..I posted about how I fall asleep while doing naam simran.. I feel sad about it but I am thankful to have sangat ji here who was encouraging me to continue and with Guru ji's Kirpa, it will get better... Today after reading this post, I feel Guru ji's kirpa.. It is inspiring to read these posts and try harder to go further.. Veer ji, kindly keep posting these posts for people like me who need this motivation everyday.. Singh ji, you have explained very well..how our mind will start chanting waheguru 24/7.. Whoever’s mantar or shabad you jap, it will take you to that person’s level. Guru Nanak’s level is the point between the eyebrows, where the power is sarab kalaa samrath. This point is a gateway to the spiritual world. Through here you can experience god while your body remains conscious and aware of its surroundings. This is incredibly special blessing anyone who does simran can recieve. When this kirpa happens one no longer needs to sit and do Simran, their Simran is 24/7 happening inside. Reading these lines was so helpful to motivate me for trying harder.. Waheguru mehar karey.. so we all can reach at that point..I am looking forward for more posts to guide me further.. Thanks a lot Veer ji

I remember a Kenya Singh at uni, and he said he was Amrit-dhari, I think he was one of those KEnya sikh families that take Pahul at 6 years old. One day in the Students Union bar area, saw his friend messing about with his girlfriend with her sitting on his lap etc and he just mentioned it to him, and he said there's nothing wrong with it. Then he told me he himself had 2 girlfriends in the past, just had a further discussion with him and he couldn't see anything wrong with taking women like this, I wasn't clued up about grihast jeevan in those days. I know another Kenya sikh, and him and his Uncles seem to be ok going to strip clubs. Me and another sardar have even mentioned this, and he doesn't seem to care. Also he doesn't care when we say don't eat halal meat and makes stupid excuses. But from this thread it and some talk about Kenya sikhs being more liberal, I think due to being close to the British colonial masters, the Kenya sikhs follow sikhi in a more religious/ritualistic manner as opposed to sikhs linked to India being more dharmik, regardless of keeping kesh or not. Being dharmik you are less likely to lose traditions and less likely to do things like this dating mentality, whereas for religious people since it doesn't fit in the religion box they can do stuff like that after losing touch with culture. sikhi as dharam, as opposed to religion, helps preserve some traditions and culture as well.

Yes, there are plenty of "urban" Sikhs who cut their kesh too. But let's be honest here: they still keep their kesh at a much higher rate than "rural" Sikhs. The trimmed beard and turban is not an East African innovation. That style has existed in Punjab for a very long time. The reason you can say that the East African Sikhs "brought it into the UK" is because the kinds of "rural" Sikhs who would trim their beards in Punjab would take it one step further and remove their paghs and head hair before moving to the UK (showing a combination of cowardice and lack of confidence even though they like to portray themselves as brave, confident people). The only "rural" Sikhs who kept their paghs intact after moving to the west were the 100% pakay ones (with full beards too).

You are absolutely right in making these points. I can only speak for myself, but I should have been more clear that the "westernization" that the East African Sikhs brought, in my opinion, had to do with women behaving less "traditionally" than they might in families that recently arrived from Punjabi pinds. I apologize for my mistake. But you are right, "rural" (I'm using the term "rural" to stand in for something else, but I'm sure you know what I mean) Sikhs are absolutely pathetic when it comes to keeping kesh. I say this as someone who comes from precisely this background. I'm not holding any other group responsible for "corrupting" rural Sikhs. As we see in modern day Punjab, rural Sikhs are quite adept at corrupting themselves. I just was noting how the further the time-distance from India, the further various Sikh communities have moved from traditional Punjabi cultural practices in various ways.

We should not be too supportive of these western atheists. I saw a video of this guy Armin Nawabi last week where he tore a page of the Quran and then spits on it before crumbling it. Even though I'm not Muslim but I found that very disturbing. After that he offends Hindus by making an objectifying sexist comment on their Goddess. For Hindus they call her Maa Kaali. Maa means mother. He says he is doing this to make religious people desensitized to insults to their religion. If he has a valid point to make he should make it but there is no point in insulting other people's religion which they hold dear to their hearts.

I have to say that that generation bore the greatest brunt of any generation here in my opinion. A lot of which was down to the original immigrants being pretty much oblivious to many issues that were going on under their nose and what you (and others) have mentioned above. Pendu parents and their mentalities in a relatively modern metropolis was always going to be an issue. The differences between back home and here were not going to be negotiated by everyone successfully. What it looks like to me is that even though there were lots of fups from that era, there were still bundhay of the calibre that frankly I don't see in subsequent generations. The younger lot will never (hopefully) get to experience the levels of violence that was common back then, especially along racial lines. The level of open police intimidation. The limited resources that accompany being in a blue collar 'working' family. The general contempt that many people quite openly expressed towards brown folks. And we haven't even spoken about a lot of the backwards thinking amongst our lot - that passes off as our 'culture'. So much has changed since then, and I think the cream of that generation helped set trends that subsequent generations have yet to catch up too - or take for granted. In the UK at least. I mean even the 'Sikhism' that was vaguely promoted back then (and let's be full on frank - Panjabi culture was, and possibly still is, what is perpetuated through the community - over dharam), was shallow and simpleton. Bani available in English were largely mistranslated, or given some Singh Sabhaesque puerile protestant twist. Even the 'mainstream' accounts of our history were really just manipulations that promoted some infantilised, subservient colonial mindset. Most elders didn't really regularly read or analyse Gurbani and important Sikh texts. The confusion of the blur between 'Panjabi culture' and Sikhi was at an all time high. Many people were pretty much indoctrinated into some balle-balle-shava-shava culture. But somehow, some (despite their own personal problems and the whole circus around them), managed to slowly figure things out (or really with Guru ji's kirpa!), despite hard resistance from both internal and external sources; and they tried to work through all this. And yes, a few of us have really been up and down this society - from it's darker hidden underbelly to it's projected bright illusion, and we've gained worldly knowledge, experience and understanding that today's (seemingly closeted?) internet/social media based youngsters will probably never gain - and to be frank, most of you look like you'd crumble pretty quickly if you had to face a few of the things old schoolers did, let alone all of it.... What people didn't have back then was access to sound information about our true heritage. We've had to fight and claw for that. It's come slowly. Gradually. Often after going into blind alleys and having to find our ways back - and losing people along the way. For the inquiring and genuinely interested amongst us, getting through all that quagmire and misrepresentation and just starting to see just what a priceless heritage and culture we have (and I mean Sikhi here, not Panjabi culture or whatever caste based bollox I know a lot of you are secretly trying to preserve) has been a profound journey in itself.

I have a feeling that some of these types are doing this because they feel resentment at having been compelled to reign in their promiscuous behaviour when growing up in a relatively conservative Sikh/Panjabi household. This is how they are seeking revenge in adulthood. I've always felt that modern feminism is a big joke, where goray men have conned some dimwitted women into thinking that acting promiscuously is some form of female 'liberation'. You couldn't make it up..... What's really sad is that the behaviour sort of reinforces negative stereotypes, that apneean really need to get away from.

I don't think you can ignore it. That'll guarantee this crap spreads in our community. Plus it's what many elders did in the past which we can say only made things worse (in retrospect). You have to resist and combat it. Essentially it's an erosion of community values and boundaries.

Rise above it and get out of here. Only help those who want to be helped. Society is lost, it will only get worse in kaljug. I know someone who posts really tarty and sexual photos on Instagram. A relative on my inlaws side. I approached her about it but she said ‘it’s embracing her body’ and ‘liberation’ .... she tried to imply I’m narrow minded... We really do have different views of what liberation is, so I realised there’s no point in me even trying to help her.

It's difficult to know how to process this kind of nonsense if you're on a spiritual path. Do you ignore and aspire to rise above what is, essential, maya and the usual civilisational noise that accompanies humanity? Or do you try to engage and make a difference for the good by combatting the ill affects of such degeneracy in a physical manner in order to spare others from its harmful affects?

This is the new wave of feminism. They see besharmi as something that should be cheered. We have even seen on this forum a Sikh female who says a Sikh woman should be able to dress in a sluty besharm fashion and if we don't support her then we are "sexist" and backward. Ghor Kalyug. Things will just get worse in this yug

This ^^^ is what these girls truly think of Singhs and the Sikh identity before they've been gangbanged and raped into oblivion by whites, blacks, and Muslims. This brazen vitriol and contempt for the Singh comes at a time when life has yet to show them its darker side. Of course, after the deed, when their families are scrambling around to preserve the non-existent threads of their daughter's honour and reputation, then apparently salvation lies in the warm embrace of the very same type of Singh whose dastaar was being mocked! Fie on those Singhs who allow themselves to be seduced by these poor excuse for women.

Mate, I'm in the same boat in the UK, and I'm 33. It is indeed hard, and i sympathise with you greatly. And I do share your apprehensions about India. I know friends who found luck searching online (Shaadi.com etc.). I guess it's just about casting a wide net. Maybe we can enlist the help of the cyber sangat? If you maybe put a bit more about yourself and what you're looking for, maybe someone on here can help. @ADMIN - not sure if this has been suggested before, but maybe add a matrimonial sectionsein the very long time I've been a part of this forum, I've seen it go from strength to strength. Maybe it's time to branch out in to new territory, as there's definitely a demand for it. Just a thought...

Some people are forgiven I guess. I heard a sakhi years ago, it was during either ram avtaar or krishan avtaar can't remember which one it was but one of them were sitting with their friend when the friend noticed a insect with broken legs trying to climb a wall but it's broken legs wouldn't allow it to. The friend then said to the avtaar to look at the struggling insect and the avtaar said that he knows the insect, he said the person was made into a celestial king with his own planet many times, life time after life time God would forgive him and make him into a king but each time he would never do any bhagti and would abuse his position, so in this lifetime he is a insect with broken legs.

Why is that a problem? Wouldnt you want to move to a place with high population of sikhs?

They'll say that you have corona, even if you don't, take you to hospital, get money off you, and god knows what else.

Doesn't your local Gurdwara do matches?

Salok is the beginning. And astpadi the end. So each time start with a salok and then when finishing repeat the last 2 lines of the astpadi 2 x and thwn say fateh. Next time begin from the next salok. Hope i wasnt too late

GPS Ji, since Punjab was under the control of the British, legally, BOTH of the Singhs Sabhas, had no option other than recognizing the British authority over Punjab. Singh Sabha Amritsar were no rebels, in order to join Singh Sabha Amritsar and complimentary Khalsa Divan under Khem Singh Bedi, one had to swear allegiance to the British. This is fully documented. As far as the British were concerned, a handful of people in Singh Sabha Amritsar believed in the "PIPE DREAM" of Dalip Singh's return. Singh Sabha Lahore viewed this as an impractical exercise that would cause more harm to the Panth and instead focused on stopping the direct threat by the Arya Samajis, and Christian missionaries, and ongoing Hinduization of the Sikh community. Just because Singh Sabha Lahor did not support the "PIPE DREAM" does not mean they were traitors. In fact, they were great visionaries, who though it was more important to fight the scourge of Brahamansim that had infected the Panth, and bring back Gurmat Rahit and philosophy. Rmember, Singh Sabha Lahore did 95% of the Sikhi parchar during the Singh Sabha movement. You may call GurSikhs such as Prof. Gurmukh Singh and Giani Ditt Singh Ji traitors, etc, but the Panth recognizes them as true heroes and scholars who stood against the Brahmanization of the Panth. Without them and their tireless efforts through the Singhs Sabha movement, Sikh would have continued to worship Hindu deities at Sri Dabar Sahib, and marry according to Bedi customs. Prof. Gurmukh Singh was a true Sikh scholar, whose sacrificed and persevered for the Panth. Scholars like Bhai Vir Singh, Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha, worked hand in hand with this gem, only they knew the real value of his "heera".