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  1. hemp doesn't get u high and is a wonder plant that can give u food, clothing and house. marijuana gets u high and can cure any disease known to man including cancer. shaheedi degh is made using marijuana. u can be a nihang even if u don't hv jhatka and shaheedi degh. but if u do ninda of shaheedi degh and jhatka, u r not a nihang Singh.
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  2. Could you elaborate what bimaari is that you are trying to medicate? Also can you reference where it is written that hemp and marijuana are a ‘gift from god’. I’d also like to ask if the benefits can out way risks of triggering schizophrenia and also what is there a need for it, if it carries a social stigma when you can easily get your hands on modern pharmaceutical medicine which can cure or treat ailments. Also understand that I am not knocking you for promoting its use, but I just want understand what it is within Jhatka meat and Cannabis that so many young Singhs are searching for? What does one lack in day to day functioning if you refrain from these. Also does one become a better Sikh for using it. Also does a Nihung Singh that refrains from meat and cannabis no longer become a Nihung Singh if he refrains from these.
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  3. bro Guru Nanak Dev ji gave first nitnem of japji Sahib and mul mantra stop arguing please
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  4. Ya i never knew he was muslim born too thought it was just his wife... ..so was Kuldip Manak but he converted to Sikhi ... Really big loss ...may he Rest in Power
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  5. I am laughing because someone downvoted because they can't accept the true words of Sant Ji.
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  6. Mool Mantar definition 2 Ik Oankar Ik = one unique Oankar = the name of God. The Numeral one stands for a being that is unique and has no other similars to them. God is considered to be Sujati. This means God is the only one of his species and you can find no other like him. Unlike other species you can find them in numbers of more then one such as human beings. There are over 7 billion humans in the world showinh that an individual human is not Sujati as there are over 7 billion similar to them but God has no other remotely similar to them. God is Vijati. This means God has no other species similar to him. Humans have other mammal group, which are similar to them. According to science and the evolution theories of Darwninism and Lamarckism state that the primate family pf apes is similar to that of human beings and they are descends. Im this way there is no other species similar to God. God is Svaigat. God was born from himself and does not have any limbs or attachments. A tree is born from a seed and has branches and flowers or fruit. A human is born from another human and has limbs such as arms and legs. Other creatures such as chickens are born from eggs. Animals such as head lice are born from heat. God is unlike those species and was not through the means of womb, eggs, a seed or from heat. God is self born and is the form of self illumination. God is with our limbs, forms or characteristics seen by people but he is bound within all of his creation. Within all is the illumination and the Lord is the illumination within all. By this illumination the light radiantes in all. (Ang 13 SGGS) In this way God is Sujati, Vijati and Svaigat. God has no Des(Country). God does not have his own land, which can be named. God does not reside in any specific land but everywhere at once. The Hindu consider God to reside in the East and face the sun in meditation. Muslims consider God to reside in Meeca and face the direction when praying. (According to Sant Ji it used to be a Shiva Mandir and all the idols were destroyed when Prophet Mohammed took it over. Also Sant Ji says that it used to be white but due to the sins of people it turned black) (On Prophet Mohammed from what we know of Avtars we can conclude that he was ethier a Avesha or Nit Avtar) Christians and Jews consider God to reside in the seventh level of Heaven. However, God resides in all places all at once. God is present in all lands as Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji showed in Mecca, when the Kabba moved in the direction that his holy feet turned. The Lord resides in all of the lands Dasam Granth Ang 6 God has no Kal (time). At some point every being was born Ethier at day or night. God does not die due to this nor does he take birth. His form is immortal. Tod is considered timeless and cannot be placed into the concept of time, which is a man made concept. To be countined...
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  7. Very honest video and discussion, its refreshing for a change. Only got uploaded an hour ago, I think Sikh feminists and Sikh fem-men will get very upset with it. It's good they got a Sikh woman to talk about it, and allowing a man to have a say as well.
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  8. Bro I think eradicating hunger and homelessness has nothing to do with this topic especially when title for this topic is ‘Cannabis vs Alcohol’. You do not need to Einstein to figure out what elements of Cannabis the poster is trying to compare.
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  9. No but hunger and homelessness are problems today which is why I think @shastarSingh is interested in a variety of things the Paanth could grow, make, forage or hunt that would benefit them and positively impact their lifestyle. Cotton doesn't grow everywhere. So if somebody has a mind to grow their own clothes, or create an export product, interest in hemp makes sense. Put your mind to trying to sustain Jathas in varying climates from scratch, for self determination or to survive unrest and you'll get his vibe more I think.
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  10. We live in the 21st Century! Nihung Singhs bana is made from cotton as it always was. Nihung Singhs to this day do not use hemp for dietary needs. Nihung Singhs do not live in houses made from hemp. Marijuana also carries the risk of triggering one the worst diseases ‘schizophrenia’ losing your mind. This disease is no good for any Tyar bey Tyar Singh. The biggest ninda is when you make rituals out practices that were a part of our glorious warriors day to day life. Indulging in these practices when one not living the life of Nihung Singh is ninda.
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  11. I have personally never seen any young Nihung Singh excel from using Cannabis but you can’t take my personal encounters and discount anybody’s medical findings regarding the use. The same should apply to you when you make claims about your encounter with schizophrenia. The fact is that Cannabis does have a link to psychosis and schizophrenia and this is backed up by research. Regarding modern pharma and negative affects, this is too deep to even converse on. I do know that when Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj was injured from a wound inflicted by a dagger, a European Surgeon was given the task to tend the wound. For that time you could say that this was the use of modern medical practice. I also know that Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj also possessed modern weapons. This tells us that our Guru was in favour of modern warfare as well as modern medical practices. So my question to you is why are you afraid of modern medicine and why are you on the path to making a ritual of preserving something that was used for specific scenarios of the time.
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  12. Who cares when Sukha works and the pharma kills you. At the least reefer madness kids didn't judge you as you died? I've never heard or seen Sukha exacerbate anyone's schizophrenia and infact the schizophrenics I worked with were taking oral cbd solution three times daily. Have you ever read the known side effects of pharma?
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  13. A little random, but I'll post it anyway People in older days seemed to be fitter and healthier ; I mean, they generally walked more, and ate less rubbish. They were forced to be more physically healthy by way of life. They likely had better mental health, as they would not have been using technology like phone/PC/TV/audio/whatsapp to fill their minds with rubbish like most of us do, and which has driven materialism to extreme levels They would have had better diet with fresher food, less ready-made foods and less junk snacks and drinks. They would have eaten food in peace with family, not whilst watching TV Apparently (for those who know about acupressure and ayurveda) walking bare-foot is also good for the nervous system and brain; people walk less bare foot nowadays. Squatting to open bowels is known to reduce incidence of gastrointestinal cancer. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305362118_Etiology_of_Diverticulosis Some of these things are common sense, some of these things we do not /find it difficult to get away from as they make our lives a lot easier What of these above factors do you actively try to control in your life? Do they discourage us from doing a lot of these things because they have vested interests? Anyone know about any race/tribe of people who follow these older ways as much as possible ? Is meat-eating in history, a myth? Has it been exaggerated by those in the meat industry to brainwash people that eating meat is normal? Were most people in the past vegetarian by choice (I know meat is supposedly food of wealthy and hunters)
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  14. Famous Punjabi singer Sardool Sikandef passes away... https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/noted-punjabi-singer-sardool-sikander-passes-away-at-the-age-of-60-101614149805046.html ?
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  15. Nah Kuldip Manak was always a Muslim, also they buried him Indeed really big loss.
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  16. My cynicism and intimate knowledge of the Punjabi demeanour doesn't allow me to embrace this particular issue with as much positivity as others. I've seen where this type of narcotically-encouraged religiosity leads, and it's actually not as noble or as high-minded as it's being described here. Each to their own. If it works for someone, then fair enough.
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  17. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbRI2kFx3Kk
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  18. Is it used properly though? Many people (not all) become dependent on it. True, but I also haven't seen anything that supports it either. Here's an excerpt from a book by Sant Harnam Singh Rampur Khera Wale - https://www.sikhbookclub.com/Book/Intoxicant-Enemy-of-Humanity Bhul Chuk Maaf ?
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  19. This is a very confusing topic: http://sttm.co/s/2764/30880 ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥ - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233|| Here's an excerpt from Guru Nanak Chamatkar that (to me) addressed the use of intoxicants for spiritual purposes. I once read a book (forgot which one) that said that bhang helps with keeping away hunger which is why it may have been used in war, along with treating injuries. Then over time it became common to use in small amounts and by Britisher times, it was used in excess. Personally I wouldn't want to use bhang to help my Simran. http://sttm.co/s/2764/30880 ਤਿਲੰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ੨ Tilang, First Mehla, Second House: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਭਉ ਤੇਰਾ ਭਾਂਗ ਖਲੜੀ ਮੇਰਾ ਚੀਤੁ ॥ The Fear of You, O Lord God, is my marijuana; my consciousness is the pouch which holds it. ਮੈ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਭਇਆ ਅਤੀਤੁ ॥ I have become an intoxicated hermit. ਕਰ ਕਾਸਾ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਭੂਖ ॥ My hands are my begging bowl; I am so hungry for the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ਮੈ ਦਰਿ ਮਾਗਉ ਨੀਤਾ ਨੀਤ ॥੧॥ I beg at Your Door, day after day. ||1|| ਤਉ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਕਰਉ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ I long for the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ਮੈ ਦਰਿ ਮਾਗਤੁ ਭੀਖਿਆ ਪਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ I am a beggar at Your Door - please bless me with Your charity. ||1||Pause|| ਕੇਸਰਿ ਕੁਸਮ ਮਿਰਗਮੈ ਹਰਣਾ ਸਰਬ ਸਰੀਰੀ ਚੜੑਣਾ ॥ Saffron, flowers, musk oil and gold embellish the bodies of all. ਚੰਦਨ ਭਗਤਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਇਨੇਹੀ ਸਰਬੇ ਪਰਮਲੁ ਕਰਣਾ ॥੨॥ The Lord's devotees are like sandalwood, which imparts its fragrance to everyone. ||2|| ਘਿਅ ਪਟ ਭਾਂਡਾ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ No one says that ghee or silk are polluted. ਐਸਾ ਭਗਤੁ ਵਰਨ ਮਹਿ ਹੋਇ ॥ Such is the Lord's devotee, no matter what his social status is. ਤੇਰੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਨਿਵੇ ਰਹੇ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥ Those who bow in reverence to the Naam, the Name of the Lord, remain absorbed in Your Love. ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਨ ਦਰਿ ਭੀਖਿਆ ਪਾਇ ॥੩॥੧॥੨॥ Nanak begs for charity at their door. ||3||1||2|| So that's what my opinion is right now, feel free to change it or educate me as I don't know much about bhang ? Bhul Chuk Maaf ?
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  20. Sikhs should only take Cannabis for medicane as how they were injured not for pleasure
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  21. You should rephrase your heading and conduct research regarding Alcohol/Cannabis vs Milk/Water? The findings would better illustrate the benefits of day to day life between people who use and do not use.
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  22. Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh @KhalistanYouth @Khal1stan Any updates?
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  23. Was watching some of his videos, skimmed through this one. Missionary Sikhs always deny judgment after death, reincarnation, heaven and hell. This guy also denies judgment after death, reincarnation, hell etc missionary Sikhs often call all of this a "metaphor" They scrap everything, divine interventions, divinity, after life etc They just get rid of everything. Do these people genuinely believe what they preach? Or are there people using them to alter Sikhi ? A lot of them seem to spend many years abroad in the west. Its like they view Sikhi from a very Western, atheist perspective. There's a lot of reformist Christian priests and reformist Jewish rabbis who deny an after life, missionary Sikhs seem to be following that. watch @21:00
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  24. These are fair points but the language used here is hideous. You need to reign yourself in. I notice a lot of anti intellectualism behaviour in this forum. It's like being an uneducated violent simpleton is celebrated.
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  25. There are some really nice kirtan videos that he has done on youtube.
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  26. I'm shocked at the level of ignorant comments here. Dildos up their backsides? Kusrey? City people? First of all the reason they're called City Sikhs is because they work in the City of London, a financial district in Central London, it's got nothing to do with living in cities vs living in villages. 99% of Sikhs in the UK live in urban areas. That really went over the head of many people here. Do you expect them to look like UFC fighters? Puzzled - can you tell me your level of education and what you do for a living?
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  27. There is a massive difference between the Sikh experience in the UK vs the US. The UK is a much better place to be a Sikh. The biggest difference-maker is population density. According to the 2011 census, there were (at the time) about 432,000 Sikhs in the UK. Accounting for some population growth and uncounted people (such as illegal immigrants), there are probably at least 500,000 Sikhs in the UK today. Now take into consideration that the UK has a population of about 67 million crammed into a relatively small island. And also consider that most of the Sikhs live in certain parts of the UK that have relatively large Sikh populations (e.g. West London, Birmingham area, etc.). There are not official figures on Sikhs in the US, but based on data about people from and Indian background and Punjab-speaking background, 250,000 is probably a very conservative upper bound on the US Sikh population. And then consider that the US is a massive country and has a population of about 330 million. As a consequence, Sikhs are much less visible and much less powerful (as a community) in the US than they are in the UK. In the UK, I feel like most people have an awareness of who Sikhs are. When I have been in the UK, it is a bit of a relief to not feel like I have to constantly point out that I'm not an Arab or a Muslim. In the US, nobody had a clue what a Sikh was when I was growing up. It is getting a bit better now, but it's still not great. Anyway, aside from how Sikhs are viewed by the general population, I think the population density of Sikhs is most important for the Sikh community itself. It makes for a greater support system for more religiously inclined Sikhs. Further, the critical mass enables people who don't come from religious families to nevertheless gain exposure to Sikhi and get into it as they grow older. That's probably why examples of monay who become Singhs are much more frequent in the UK than in the US.
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  28. Just found he is Muslim. And he sang the praise of the Khalsa..... amazing.
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  29. https://www.discogs.com/Sardool-Sikander-Amar-Noorie-Khalse-Di-Charhdi-Kala/release/13665329 He sang the praise of Khalsa with his beautiful voice. God bless him.
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  30. he was a very very talented singer.
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  31. In our community when the kids mess up we always focus on the messed up kids but don't look at why the kids have messed up. We haven't reached the point as a community where we link bad parenting to rebellious kids. I don't think we actually have reached the point where we think parents can be faulty at all. Even if we blame the parents its often "oh they must have spoiled their kids" Recognising bad parenting does not exist in our community.
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  32. Alcohol. But she told me she did heroin when she was younger. She stopped heroin and then started drinking. Few times she rang us she was completely under the influence of alcohol, muddled up sentence, slurred words. I think since then she's possibly taking other stuff. I emailed Sikh helpline a few years back. But I doubt she spoke to them. She used to say that her mum sometimes used to buy alcohol and put it in front of her on purpose.
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  33. I personally can't relate to that, but I have seen it in my family/relatives. The results are devastating. It's happening with my one of my cousin sisters atm she spends months living around her friends house to avoid her mother. But now she's going get a flat for herself. In fact she's even considering moving across the Atlantic to avoid her mother. Her mother says things like that she never wanted her and that she wanted a son instead, and that she was a mistake etc her mother says things like that she hopes her daughter never settles and ends up in a bad marriage. One of the saddest cases in my family is another cousin sister of mine who has been disowned by the family. I actually was very close to her, but I'm not allowed to talk to her anymore. Her mother was very abusive towards her. My cousin was a lot older than me, like 14 years, so I never saw her childhood but my mum has told me about it. Her mother actually used to physically torture her. When she was a kid her mother hit her head with her high heel shoe. She ended up with a hole in her head, that's the kind of stuff her mother used to do to her. My cousin then ended up hanging around with wrong people and picked up wrong habits which eventually started destroying her. But I never judged her. She was really honest with me and trusted me. As I got older and started seeing how toxic their relationship was, it was terrible! Her mother used to call her things like h*ramdi etc Her family eventually disowned her. It's been like 5 years now. In the past I've felt like finding out where she is and meeting up with her. But if my family find out I would be in a lot of trouble. Plus unfortunately her habits have got worse. She has our phone number and sometimes rings us, she asks for me but my mother cuts the phone. I've known both these abusive mothers since I was kid, and there definitely is something very wrong with them. I can't figure out what it is, or where it went wrong. They lack sympathy, lack in faith. Abusive mothers are far more destructive than abusive fathers. We as a community, culturally, glorify the relationship between mothers and kids, but that is not the case for many.
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  34. How old are you ? I used to think the same until my last two visits to India. If anything, keeping up appearances is much more important in India than the West. You will always be an outsider. But you can make it work if you really want to, probably What would be your livelihood? As you will be aware, farmers have it very difficult in India.
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  35. This would have been better in the news/politics forum As far as I know, he wasn't a Sikh, but RIP
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  36. Don't need to watch the whole video to realise this daktar karminder phd boston is a stain on Gurmat. There are many mentions of sakhis in it. Not with a beginning, middle or end in the conventional sense but there are many sakhis which have some mention in Guru Granth Sahib. If you had read my post (lengthy as it is) then you would have seen for yourself that Bhai Sunder, writes the last days of Guru Sahib as if it were a sakhi. Then why would Guru Sahibuse the names of the Siddhs asking him questions and then responding to them, when Guru Sahib could just have written a shabad to explain evertthing. Only those with an agenda define stories as "made up." Historical events are not known as sakhis - they are known as itihaas. Sakhis are all about the Guru Sahibs and their teachings, and how those teachings actually came about. Great for you then. Tell us how and why Sikhs began to have "Singh/Kaur" in their names. Seen the film. Possibly, but enemies of Gurmat don't really deserve better.
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  37. While the above is true, I think it is only one aspect of Gurbani. That means that while Gurbani is applicable in different scenarios, it also addresses the events of those times. Gurbani has a lot of layers. This is the answer to Karminders nonsense: Then the great doctor goes on to write "Gurbani is Sarab Sanji; by which is meant it is NEVER occasion, location, era or person specific. This means that while Gurbani is always composed at some location, may be composed to draw from specific occasions, and may be uttered in the presence of person or persons – the composition is NEVER MEANT for any specific location, any particular occasion or for a certain person(s). ALL of Gurbani is composed for use in ALL locations, ALL occasions, ALL eras and ALL persons. Gurbani is spiritual in nature and meant for the WHOLE of humanity throughout time. Specifying Gurbani for specific locations, occasions and person(s) is a human failing. It arises from our failure to explore the true spiritual messages of Gurbani. It originates out of our folly of wanting to understand Gurbani only in the literal sense." Here is the doctor is partially correct. Gurbani is spiritual in nature and meant for the whole of humanity throughout time. However Gurbani is not restricted from, neither does it abandon the "uthanka" or background to such writings. Gurbani has many levels, and the historical aspect of Gurbani is also valid. Coming back on the great doctors thought that Gurbani is never occasion, location era or person specific, I would like to bring these lines of shabads to the reader so they can see if doctor karminder is correct.: ਫਰੀਦਾ ਪੰਖ ਪਰਾਹੁਣੀ ਦੁਨੀ ਸੁਹਾਵਾ ਬਾਗੁ ॥ Bhagat Farid Ji Maharaj bani starts a lot with "Farida" where he is telling/educating himself. Did BHagat Ji tell these with others in mind? Possibly but the immediate instruction is to himself. So in the first instance this gurbani and many others of Bhagat Ji are person specific. But when we read them are WE telling Bhagat Farid what he must do, in order to find God?" ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ Aasaa, Fifth Mehla: ਪ੍ਰਥਮੇ ਮਤਾ ਜਿ ਪਤ੍ਰੀ ਚਲਾਵਉ ॥ First, they advised me to send a letter. ਦੁਤੀਏ ਮਤਾ ਦੁਇ ਮਾਨੁਖ ਪਹੁਚਾਵਉ ॥ Second, they advised me to send two men. ਤ੍ਰਿਤੀਏ ਮਤਾ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਉ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥ Third, they advised me to make the effort and do something. ਮੈ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤੁਹੀ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥੧॥ But I have renounced everything, and I meditate only on You, God. ||1|| This shabad by Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj is person specific. Which Sikh who has read this shabad sent a letter and then subsequently two men? To whom did he send them? ਕਹਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਤਿਲੋਚਨ ਬਾਲਕੁ ਪਾਲਨ ਪਉਢੀਅਲੇ ॥ Says Naam Dayv, listen, O Trilochan: the child is laid down in the cradle. ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਕਾਜ ਬਿਰੂਧੀ ਚੀਤੁ ਸੁ ਬਾਰਿਕ ਰਾਖੀਅਲੇ ॥੪॥੧॥ Its mother is at work, inside and outside, but she holds her child in her thoughts. ||4||1|| Here Bhagat Ji is addressing Bhagat Trilochan directly. It's still a lesson that we as humans use, but the fact is that it is not addressed to us all at that specific time. It was specifically to one person. ਮੇਰੇ ਸਿਖ ਸੁਣਹੁ ਪੁਤ ਭਾਈਹੋ ਮੇਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਣਾ ਆਉ ਮੈ ਪਾਸਿ ਜੀਉ ॥ Listen O my Sikhs, my children and Siblings of Destiny; it is my Lord's Will that I must now go to Him. ਹਰਿ ਭਾਣਾ ਗੁਰ ਭਾਇਆ ਮੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਕਰੇ ਸਾਬਾਸਿ ਜੀਉ ॥ The Guru gladly accepted the Lord's Will, and my Lord God applauded Him. So when we read the above lines from Ramkali Sadd, are we assuming the title and rank of Guru? Or is it Sunder saying it for a specific moment in the Guru's Life? From the above few lines it is apparent that Gurbani does not share Doctor karminders views of what gurbani should be.
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  38. This man Karminder is a malaysian missionary parasite. He is a nindak of everything from Sri Dasme Patshah's granth Sahib to naam simran to every single sakhi there is on Sikhi. That should be the least of your concerns brother. Focus on the lies coming out his mouth first. Read this rebuttal I wrote some years ago to his Babur Bani lies: (https://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/19698-sick-parasite-network-spn-ਜੈਸੀ-ਮੈ-ਆਵੈ-ਖਸਮ-ਕੀ-ਬਾਣੀ/ (It is quite long) This is another shabad that has come on the Sick Parasite Network, written by a learned doctor of that site - "Dr Karminder Dhillon." He is a great inspiration to his pet rat aman, who is an admin on that site, and is always looking to host his mentors thoughts on that forum. I want to have a look at some of this great doctors thoughts and add my own thoughts to it. I will be posting the great doctors thoughts in black and my own in blue so readers can distinguish. Dr Karminder starts by saying " Shabd is composed by Guru Nanak ji in Tilang Rag and is recorded on page 722 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji." This Shabd stands high on the list of “wrongly translated Shabds." I always wonder how did the Panth manage to follow the wrong translations for centuries until Sikhs of Dr karminders calibre were born to take us out of the darkness and into the light. The Shabd is further (wrongly) described as “Babbur Vanee” by many translators. Babbur Vanee means it is composed for and narrated to Mogul conqueror Babur. Babur Vanee further means it predicts the end of the Mogul rule in India. - Babar Bani is just an informal title given to it, to distinguish it from the other shabads. When we hear the name "Babar Bani" then we understand it to be talking about this particular shabad. That is all. There is no conspiracy. Just as the "Lavan" shabads haven't been given the title of "Lavan Bani" but whenever we talk about the "Lavan" it is clearly understood that we are talking about which shabads. Similarly there are many shabads by Guru Nanak Dev Ji which are addressed with the word "Vanjara" in them. These also are not titled "Vanjara banis" but we understand them to be about the Vanjara shabads of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. You can see from the above thoughts of the great doctor, the depth of intellect, and the reasons why he is has god-like status on Sick Parasite Network. Then the great doctor goes on to write "Gurbani is Sarab Sanji; by which is meant it is NEVER occasion, location, era or person specific. This means that while Gurbani is always composed at some location, may be composed to draw from specific occasions, and may be uttered in the presence of person or persons – the composition is NEVER MEANT for any specific location, any particular occasion or for a certain person(s). ALL of Gurbani is composed for use in ALL locations, ALL occasions, ALL eras and ALL persons. Gurbani is spiritual in nature and meant for the WHOLE of humanity throughout time. Specifying Gurbani for specific locations, occasions and person(s) is a human failing. It arises from our failure to explore the true spiritual messages of Gurbani. It originates out of our folly of wanting to understand Gurbani only in the literal sense." Here is the doctor is partially correct. Gurbani is spiritual in nature and meant for the whole of humanity throughout time. However Gurbani is not restricted from, neither does it abandon the "uthanka" or background to such writings. Gurbani has many levels, and the historical aspect of Gurbani is also valid. Coming back on the great doctors thought that Gurbani is never occasion, location era or person specific, I would like to bring these lines of shabads to the reader so they can see if doctor karminder is correct.: ਫਰੀਦਾ ਪੰਖ ਪਰਾਹੁਣੀ ਦੁਨੀ ਸੁਹਾਵਾ ਬਾਗੁ ॥ Bhagat Farid Ji Maharaj bani starts a lot with "Farida" where he is telling/educating himself. Did BHagat Ji tell these with others in mind? Possibly but the immediate instruction is to himself. So in the first instance this gurbani and many others of Bhagat Ji are person specific. But when we read them are WE telling Bhagat Farid what he must do, in order to find God?" ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ Aasaa, Fifth Mehla: ਪ੍ਰਥਮੇ ਮਤਾ ਜਿ ਪਤ੍ਰੀ ਚਲਾਵਉ ॥ First, they advised me to send a letter. ਦੁਤੀਏ ਮਤਾ ਦੁਇ ਮਾਨੁਖ ਪਹੁਚਾਵਉ ॥ Second, they advised me to send two men. ਤ੍ਰਿਤੀਏ ਮਤਾ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਉ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥ Third, they advised me to make the effort and do something. ਮੈ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤੁਹੀ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥੧॥ But I have renounced everything, and I meditate only on You, God. ||1|| This shabad by Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj is person specific. Which Sikh who has read this shabad sent a letter and then subsequently two men? To whom did he send them? ਕਹਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਤਿਲੋਚਨ ਬਾਲਕੁ ਪਾਲਨ ਪਉਢੀਅਲੇ ॥ Says Naam Dayv, listen, O Trilochan: the child is laid down in the cradle. ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਕਾਜ ਬਿਰੂਧੀ ਚੀਤੁ ਸੁ ਬਾਰਿਕ ਰਾਖੀਅਲੇ ॥੪॥੧॥ Its mother is at work, inside and outside, but she holds her child in her thoughts. ||4||1|| Here Bhagat Ji is addressing Bhagat Trilochan directly. It's still a lesson that we as humans use, but the fact is that it is not addressed to us all at that specific time. It was specifically to one person. ਮੇਰੇ ਸਿਖ ਸੁਣਹੁ ਪੁਤ ਭਾਈਹੋ ਮੇਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਣਾ ਆਉ ਮੈ ਪਾਸਿ ਜੀਉ ॥ Listen O my Sikhs, my children and Siblings of Destiny; it is my Lord's Will that I must now go to Him. ਹਰਿ ਭਾਣਾ ਗੁਰ ਭਾਇਆ ਮੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਕਰੇ ਸਾਬਾਸਿ ਜੀਉ ॥ The Guru gladly accepted the Lord's Will, and my Lord God applauded Him. So when we read the above lines from Ramkali Sadd, are we assuming the title and rank of Guru? Or is it Sunder saying it for a specific moment in the Guru's Life? From the above few lines it is apparent that Gurbani does not share Doctor karminders views of what gurbani should be. The great doctor karminder then writes : "We shall start by looking at the final verse ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਆਖੈ ਸਚੁ ਸੁਣਾਇਸੀ ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬੇਲਾ ॥ ੨ ॥ Sach Kee Banee Nanak Akhey Sach Sunayesee Sach Kee Bella. Sach – The Creator. Sach Kee Banee – God Connecting Banee. Akhey – Pronounces. Sunayesee – Discourses. Bella – Time. Sach Kee Bella – Creator Given Time; Lifetime as Given by the Creator; ALL times, forever. Nanak Pronounces God Connecting Banee and Conducts Godly Discourse at every God Given Moment." This is entirely his own interpretation. How do we know this is wrong? Because Guru Sahib conducted his life in as one whole given moment in God. But yet Guru Sahib still slept, travelled, worked etc. During these times how was Guru Sahib conducting Godly discourse? Guru Sahib only conducted Godly discourse at certain times and places. Lets look at Prof Sahib Singh's interpretation: ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ = ਸਦਾ ਕਾਇਮ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ। ਆਖੈ = ਆਖਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਚਾਰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਸੁਣਾਇਸੀ = ਸੁਣਾਂਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ, ਉਚਾਰਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ, ਆਖਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ। ਬੇਲਾ = ਸਮਾ, ਮਨੁੱਖਾ ਜਨਮ ਦਾ ਸਮਾ। ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬੇਲਾ = ਸਿਮਰਨ, ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦਾ ਹੀ ਇਹ ਸਮਾ ਹੈ ॥੨॥੩॥੫॥ (ਜੀਵ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਰੰਗ ਵਿਚ ਮਸਤ ਹੋ ਕੇ ਉਮਰ ਅਜਾਈਂ ਗਵਾ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ) ਨਾਨਕ ਤਾਂ (ਇਸ ਵੇਲੇ ਭੀ) ਸਦਾ ਕਾਇਮ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ, (ਸਾਰੀ ਉਮਰ ਹੀ) ਇਹ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਕਰਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ, ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਇਹ ਮਨੁੱਖਾ ਜਨਮ ਦਾ ਸਮਾ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਹੀ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਹੈ ॥੨॥੩॥੫॥ Faridkoti teeka translates it as : ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਹਤੇ ਹੈਂ ਸਚੇ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ (ਬਾਣੀ) ਹੁਕਮੁ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ ਂਧੁਰਿ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਆਈਂ (ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬੇਲਾ) ਸਚੇ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਚਾਰਨ ਕੀ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਮੇਂ ਸਵੇਰੇ ਸੋ ਸਚ ਹੀ ਅਸੀ ਸੁਣਾਂਵਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਔ ਸੁਣਾਵੈਂਗੇ॥੨॥੫॥ Dr Sant Singh Khalsa in english translates this as : Nanak speaks the Word of Truth; he proclaims the Truth at this, the right time. ||2||3||5|| Now what karminder is saying is somewhat based on these but he gives a confused message to the reader. "Nanak Pronounces God Connecting Banee..." since when did Guru Nanak pronounce any bani that wasn't god connecting? karminder is trying to confuse the reader by saying that Guru Sahib at times, prounced gurbani that wasn't god-connecting. Dr. Karminder Singh Dhillion Phd(Boston) then further writes about the whole shabad and towards the end says : "TWELVETH VERSE ਆਵਨਿ ਅਠਤਰੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਸਤਾਨਵੈ ਹੋਰੁ ਭੀ ਉਠਸੀ ਮਰਦ ਕਾ ਚੇਲਾ ॥ Avan Athathrey Jaan Satanvey Hor Bhee Uthsee Marad Ka Chela. Avan – Coming. Athathrey – 78. Jaan – Goes. Satanvey – 97. Hor – More, Many, Others. Bhee – Also. Uthsee – Raise, Come to the forefront. Marad – Male, Masculine, Man-liness. Chela – Disciple, Follower, Subscriber. This is the verse that has been subject to a great deal of wrong translations. A Commentary is therefore necessary to first critique the existing faulty translations. The (wrong) translation is: Coming in seventy-eight (1578 Sammat, 1521 A.D.), they will depart in ninety-seven (1597 Sammat, 1540 A.D.), and then another disciple of man will rise up. (Sant Singh MD D Translation.) Other translators – Prof Sahib Singh, and Manmohan Singh mention Emperor Babur as coming in 1578 and being defeated by Sher Shah Suree in 1597. The Fareedkot Vedic Teeka says “the Moghuls will come in 1578 and go in 1597 and that the “Mard Ka Chela” refers to Guru Gobind Singh ji. COMMENT ONE: All the above translators translate the words ATHUTREY (78) and SATANVEY (97) to mean 1579 and 1597 Bikarmee. How the 15 came to be added is anyone’s guess. Because 15 is NOT mentioned in the Verse, If we want to add 15 on our own, why not 1478 and 1479? Or 1678 and 1679? After “assuming” that 79 and 97 is 1579 and 1597 Sammat respectively the years are then converted by the translators from Bikarmee (Indian calendar) to the western year 1521 and 1540 AD. Then the translators say these are the years Babur came to Saidpur 1521 AD (where the massacre took place) and that Babur WILL GO in 1540 AD." According to the great daktors thinking, the translation including the "15" is wrong. I can't beleive how Boston is handing out PHD willy nilly. I should get one. The text in Gurbani says 78 and 97 but if we are reading or understanding this 5 centuries later we need to add that "15" to know what time period we are talking about. For example, when we talk about partition now, we can just refer to it as 47. As I ask old people "Where you alive in 47?" Everyone knows that this is a direct reference to 1947 because 2047 hasn't happened yet. But in 500 years time will people still refer to it as 47? No, because it will not be clear. They will refer to it as 1947. The commentators on this line of Gurbani have correctly added the 15 to make it clearer for the reader. So the great PHD doctor starts off on a very weak foot here. "SEVEN BASIC things are WRONG with such translations. 1) They show Guru Nanak making a PREDICTION of worldly matters (that Babar or Mogul Raj WILL go in 1540 AD). Our Gurus never do such. Predicting the future is not a Gurmat Principle." Predicting the future for a Sikh is not gurmat principle, but for the Guru it is no effort. Guru Sahib has correctly told of the going of (end of) the moghals. So given that this shabad is focused entirely on an actual historical event, seen in the first person by the Guru, and written about factually by the Guru, it is unable to be refuted by the great PHD doctor karminder that it is against gurmat principles. We Sikhs are not the same as the Guru. Guru Gobind Singh Ji drew his sword and asked for 5 heads. Why don't Sikhs do that same thing now when doing khande ki pahul sinchar? Simple. We are Sikhs, the Guru is the Guru. "2) Such translations make spiritually rich Gurbani into a ocassion specific “historical” narrative. This is never the nature of Gurbani. Gurbani is SARAB SANJHEE – for ALL ocassion, all persons, all locations etc. Most importantly Gurbani is spiritual." This has been answered above in the composition of Ramkali Sadd. Ramkali Sadd IS a specific historical narrative. So it is very apparent that Doctor Karminder Dhillon PHD Boston is wrong. The majority of Gurbani is spiritual but not all. "3) Such translations portray Guru Nanak as inconsistent. The translator says Guru Nanak depicts the “CRUELTY of Babur to innocent women and children” and YET calls BABUR as a MARD !! How is Babur an invader a MARD? And whose CHELA? What’s so MARD about massacring innocent people?" Mard in persian means "man." That is all. Guru Sahib describes Babar as a man. Nothing else regarding his military prowess, personal habits, political standing etc. Chela means follower. All Guru Sahib is stating here is that one of Babar's followers will take his place. "4) Such translations makes it seem that Guru Nanak got his history wrong !!! Babur entered India in 1526 AD. The battle of Panipat took place in 1526. That’s the year he becomes emperor. So the massacre in Saidpur was AFTER 1526. The year 1521 AD for ATHUTREY by the translator is off by 5 years! How could Guru Nanak have made this mistake? Babur died on Dec 26 1530. So the year 1540 AD for ATHANVEY (the year Babur left Saidpur !!) is off by 10 years!! He was already in his grave." The first thing to note here is the Gurbani mentions no names. The line is " ਆਵਨਿ ਅਠਤਰੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਸਤਾਨਵੈ ਹੋਰੁ ਭੀ ਉਠਸੀ ਮਰਦ ਕਾ ਚੇਲਾ ." There is no reference to Babar in name but as the shabad tells us the "wedding party" came from Khorasan at the same time Babar did, we know it is refering to Babur and his Mongol army. All the Gurbani tells us is that "they came in 78 (1521) and will return in 1540. So this has nothing to do with the lifetime of Babur itself. That is a very important thing to note here. This is where the PHD Boston of Karminder Dhillon has erred. Babur actually entered Panjab way before in 1519 according to his autobiography. He scored victories and took some land but then had to return to Kabul to quell a rebellion there. His meagre force left in Panjab was then defeated in an uprising. He re-entered Panjab in 1521. The sacking of Saidpur was in 1526. It could hardly be called a battle. There was feeble or no resistance at all. Babur had used Saidpur as a warning to those who stood in his way. he made an example of Saipur to show the rulers of Hindustan his ruthlessness. The Rt Hon Doctor karminder dhillon PHD Boston then writes: "The shabd is wholly spiritual. It uses multiple metaphors – marriage, junj, joree, daan, mighty human beings, power full beings etc etc. Guru ji also used IDIOMS. We need to understand the context of these metaphors and get to the spiritual messages. That is how we interpreted the entire Shabd as above. This particular verse is NO EXCEPTION. In English we may say SCORES come and DOZENS go. One score is 20. And one dozen is 12. This means whatever is being referred to comes and goes APLENTY. IT DOES NOT mean someone particular came in 1820 and went in 1912!!!! In our everyday language we say SAU AIYE TEY SAU GAYEY. SAU is one hundred. Or TEREY VARGEY KAYEE HAZAAR DEKHEY. Or TEREY VARGEY CHATEE (36) AIYEY. These numbers are used idiomatically to portray unspecific multitudes. The shabd uses the numbers BOTH idiomatically to portray MULTITIDES and poetically to be within the poetic confines of the verses before and after. ਆਵਨਿ ਅਠਤਰੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਸਤਾਨਵੈ ਹੋਰੁ ਭੀ ਉਠਸੀ ਮਰਦ ਕਾ ਚੇਲਾ ॥ Avan Athathrey Jaan Satanvey Hor Bhee Uthsee Marad Ka Chela. Avan – Coming. Athathrey – 78, metaphor for unspecified multiples. Jaan – Goes. Satanvey – 97; metaphor for unspecific multiples. Hor – More, Many, Others. Bhee – Also. Uthsee – Raise, Come to the forefront. Marad – Male, Masculine. Chela – Disciple, Follower, Believer, Worshipper. Unspecified Multiples Will Come and Multiple More Will Depart as Worshippers of Masculine Prowess. (Yet the Hukm of the Creator Will Remain as Permanent). " To me, this just sums up the clutching of straws to build up a straw man argument. Using a specific non rounded number is NOT part of everyday talk. We use, and indeed Gurbani uses numbers like a hundred, thousands, and lakhs etc. But it never uses numbers like 78, 97, 146, 2685, 743872 etc. Using rounded numbers to portray a particular aspect or point is normal in any language. But to try and use "78" and "97" for unspecified numbers is just nonsensical. But those rats like that admin aman on SPN live for this kind of nonsense. The great doctor then ends with some of his musings on what gurbani should be with : "COMMENT ON THE NOTION OF SARAB SANJHEE BANEE. When we say Gurbanee is NEVER occasion, location, time or person specific – we are saying the messages are NOT meant for a particular location, occasion, time or individual. We are saying ALL of Gurbani is meant for ALL of humanity for ALL times." Again this is not bourne out by the inclusion of Ramkali Sadd. Although there is great teachings in that shabad for the benefit of humankind, there is no denying that the writing was an occasion and person specific event. I wonder why it is, that these PHD's and ilk feel that there is a need to distort each and every aspect of Gurmat to their own particular thoughts. We had Angy on here some months ago doing it, and they have no shame in doing it. Plenty have. I have on Sick Parasite Network, but they only ban you when barmy karmy is exposed. Did you? And what did you find ?
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  39. Not sure who this man is but he sounds like a missionary. Why is his dhari tied? He says sakhis were written by non Sikhs, so was Kavi Santokh Singh ji a Hindu or a Musalman? He says there are no sakhis in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Wrong. Much of Gurbani is in response to the very Sakhis which we narrate. Bani has a backdrop and context, sakhis are a narration of this backdrop. E.g. When Guru Nanak Dev ji revealed Babur Bani. The town/region that Babur Bani was revealed and set in, was a town where saints were disrespected. Bhai Mardana ji or Bhai Bala ji went around the town knocking on the doors asking for water and every single person of the town insulted them and slammed the doors on their faces. Babur then invades this very town and Guru ji describes the invasion. The princes were cut into pieces while the women had their hair shaved off, metal chains put around their necks and they were sent off to be sold in the markets. We hear about the sakhi how Guru Arjan dev jis jealous brother tries killing Guru Hargobind sahib ji when he was a baby. He first sent a lady who put poison on her breast and she breast fed baby Guru Hargobind Sahib ji but nothing happened. He then sent a snake charmer to poison Guru ji with his snake but Guru ji ended up playing with the snake. Guru Arjan dev ji wrote bani in response to this. He writes how the poison did nothing. There's a sakhi of how some Pathan on a horse came to kill Guru Arjan Dev ji but the horse ran into fire and the Pathan died in the fire. I believe Guru ji revealed bani in response to this You hear about the sakhi of bhamans dragging out Bhagat Namdev ji from the mandir, well Bhagat ji writes bani in response to this. You hear about Bhagat Farid ji in the jungle, the crows start sitting around him like a carcass and start pecking at bhagat jis flesh, bhagat ji writes bani in response to this and tells the crows not to peck at his eyes. Guru Gobind Singh jis shabd, "mitr pyare nu" has a Sakhi behind it. He wrote his shabd in machiwara jungle after he lost his family. In fact, much of bani was revealed as a response to a situation, these situations are the very Sakhis this man is calling false. How is one supposed to know the context of the bani if we don't know the sakhi behind it. I don't know who allows these people on stage. Has anyone ever questioned this man?
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  40. Another story which I really like is the story of Pooran Bhagat. His father, a local king, married a second wife, she was much younger than the old king and was a similar age to Pooran. The second wife then got attracted to pooran and tried to get it on with him. Pooran being a saintly young man said to the young Queen that despite her young age, in rishta she is equal to his mother. The young Queen got furious and told the king that Pooran tried raping her. The king was infatuated with his young wife and believed everything she said, and he ordered his son, Pooran, to be thrown into a well. Pooran was saved by Gorkhanath saint and became a saint himself. Years went past and the young Queen was still childless. Someone told her and the King that at the local mela a holy man sits there and he makes everyone's wishes comes true. The Queen and King then went to the mela and when it was their turn it turned out that the holy man was no other but Pooran himself, the very son that the King threw into the well after the Queen lied and accused him of raping her. Both the King and Queen apologised and Pooran gave his father blessings and the couple had a son. Sometimes the people that you bring down, are the ones that you go running to for help, years later. I believe this story is in Charitropakhyan as well.
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  41. This is amazing. Just finished this. It's gonna trigger some people but what needs to be said needs to be said.
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  42. Ya know what they aren't doin? Wasting time talkin poorly about you online and making fun of your picture. Go ahead and serve up some selfies you can be next.
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  43. Khalsa Ji Anand is very difficult to describe in terms of words. Imagine the following scenario: A young child , who cannot yet speak , is given something very pleasant to eat. Then the child is asked to describe the taste. The only indications available would be the child's smile , glowing face , and self satisfaction since the child does not have the ability to describe it verbally. The state of Anand is similar to that. With regards to spiritual phall , one will feel increased self confidence. The mann becomes more focused. The mann's desires will begin to be fulfilled automatically {ridh sidh}. Life generally will become more blissful. One will feel closer to Sat chit Anand Ishvar {eternal bliss}.
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  44. Like if somebody takes to rock climbing for health for example. And they start doing that, and they find as they begin that the Sukha helps them focus and enjoy climbing rocks a lot and relax and steal their mind back from maya and other poisons. And they keep climbing the rock, they're going to get fit. Another person may never have been without rock climbing, or lead a different life and maybe they never liked Sukha while climbing. And they too are phenominally fit. And if you go rock climbing anywhere there is going to be those that use Sukha and those that don't and they all climb together and get fit, no worries. And if rock climbers can conquer mountains together and respect each other it really shouldn't be hard for Gursikhs to do the same on both sides or all sides. Ultimately it's about "rock climbing" together and encouraging everyone to "climb rocks"
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