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  1. Basics of Sikhi made a video about that. The shabad was mistranslated.
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  2. I just keep bad luck, I'm really starting to doubt things, tomorrow ill be homeless and just don't know what to do, I have contacted services, and they will also be in touch tomorrow. I feel like I lived a lifetime in 5 years, and now im just tired.
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  4. Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh Thank you for the information Bhenji.???
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  5. You can cancel the transfer / payment if it's by credit card. Debit card is tougher from what I can recall.
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  6. Don't give details but how did things get to the point of being homeless? Can it be sorted out?
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  7. It’s not my hang up! Remember I did not upload this post. I am just expressing my views which may or may not be right. The person that posted this post is obviously toying with the idea of using Cannabis and is looking for justification from random research which is probably carried out by a stoner. Believe me I have met many stoners that surround themselves with other stoners and go down the path of ‘confirmation bias’ and convince themselves of what they are doing is righteous. Somewhere down the line Dharam is being dragged into justifying the use. If this was so mainstream and and had no controversy attached to it, there wouldn’t even be a need justify or convince others to embrace the use. Again as someone said earlier ‘each to their own’.
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  8. seems you misread the quote slightly she is reiterating that to equate us to terrorist wont be tolerated , [terrorism being the government's speciality action] she also distances us from the comrades and liberal agendas as sikhi is different in aim (deg teg fateh)
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  9. I've seen her say that they call us khalistani terrorists but we are not ...need to be careful as the IT cells are good at instigating pangey between our people by pretending to be one of us .
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  10. it's criminal how the crusties are sidelining the youth who actually will have to deal with the outcome of their actions , The most shameful thing was the total abdication of responsibility for the welfare of farmers who got kidnapped and women that got kidnapped by police and tortured in stations and jails. I think the phrase 'ussi youth da teke nahin leha , ohna di rehaie da .'
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  11. Punjabi people don't know how to restrain. If you "re introduce" marijuana, they won't know when to stop. For addicts it would be a perfect alternative. But for your average person, I really don't see the need to use marijuana! ? Like why would you? For medical reasons it's fine. Apparently it helps people with epilepsy. But to kind just randomly come home from work and just start smoking weed is a bit random for a Sikh to do in today's day and age, tbh. Sikhs in the past used it because they were warriors, many living like nomads, in medieval India. The lifestyle of 21st century Sikhs in completely different to lifestyle of Sikhs in the 18th century. I personally don't trust myself! lol
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  12. We live in the 21st Century! Nihung Singhs bana is made from cotton as it always was. Nihung Singhs to this day do not use hemp for dietary needs. Nihung Singhs do not live in houses made from hemp. Marijuana also carries the risk of triggering one the worst diseases ‘schizophrenia’ losing your mind. This disease is no good for any Tyar bey Tyar Singh. The biggest ninda is when you make rituals out practices that were a part of our glorious warriors day to day life. Indulging in these practices when one not living the life of Nihung Singh is ninda.
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  13. hemp doesn't get u high and is a wonder plant that can give u food, clothing and house. marijuana gets u high and can cure any disease known to man including cancer. shaheedi degh is made using marijuana. u can be a nihang even if u don't hv jhatka and shaheedi degh. but if u do ninda of shaheedi degh and jhatka, u r not a nihang Singh.
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  14. Could you elaborate what bimaari is that you are trying to medicate? Also can you reference where it is written that hemp and marijuana are a ‘gift from god’. I’d also like to ask if the benefits can out way risks of triggering schizophrenia and also what is there a need for it, if it carries a social stigma when you can easily get your hands on modern pharmaceutical medicine which can cure or treat ailments. Also understand that I am not knocking you for promoting its use, but I just want understand what it is within Jhatka meat and Cannabis that so many young Singhs are searching for? What does one lack in day to day functioning if you refrain from these. Also does one become a better Sikh for using it. Also does a Nihung Singh that refrains from meat and cannabis no longer become a Nihung Singh if he refrains from these.
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  15. Very honest video and discussion, its refreshing for a change. Only got uploaded an hour ago, I think Sikh feminists and Sikh fem-men will get very upset with it. It's good they got a Sikh woman to talk about it, and allowing a man to have a say as well.
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  16. Pooranshami is a full moon which happens every month and is celebrated as Guru Nanak Dev Ji's birthday. According to Sant Nand Singh Ji if we can we should stay up at night and do Path if you stay up for as long as you can you get the merit(Is it the right word) as one amrit vela. If you stay uo the entire night and day you get the merit of a year worth of amrit vela. Sant Nand Singh Ji also said that Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born at 12:51 am. So if you are staying up at least stay up untill 12:51. If you are worried you will miss amrit vela you don't have to stay up at night. Just do simrin while sleeping.
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  17. Just been on the site it all seems to revolve around abuse, nothing on there for homeless etc.
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  18. True, you find out quick, when you down on your luck 'friends' are nowhere to be seen. However when you buying rounds for them, then its all good.
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  19. It'll be fine, bro. You're lucky you used a credit card! Don't go around to some dodgy Russian's place unless you've got Liam Neeson with you next time. ?
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  20. That's what I mean. Even if the payment has gone through it can be reversed. You get the money back from the bank. Call them and explain what's happened. Probably get some reference from someone official if you can. Honestly, it shouldn't be a problem. You get your money back, you can stop stressing, and move forward to doing what you need to do next.
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  21. Depending where you are go to your local Gurdwara. Or make a plan to visit a few. Some are open and you will find somewhere to stay in an emergency. Some are strict and closed during covid but others are open so you might have to try a few. Dw Guruji will show you the way. Dont worry about being homeless, I've been there and whilst it's tough and really when you hit rock bottom it's quite an experience and shape us . It's a sad reality tho that sometimes we hav to go through it. Its humbling and sometimes we have to bite ego and take help from family or people we havent been in touch with.
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  22. Transaction has already gone through, so the lady from council said best bet is to get a refund, but don't know whats going on.
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  23. Paid via creditcard, no homies, everyone I know lives with their parents and everyone using covid as an excuse
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  24. I would speak to a lawyer in the morning. It all depends on how you went through with the transaction.
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  25. Basically I put down deposit and rent for house, I went to the property, there was a weird Russian guy living there, I tried making chit chat, said he didn't the room to make friends. Then there was a knock on the door and some guy turned up saying I was no longer welcome. I got in touch with emergency services and have been in a b & b, now my money is tied in with other place and I have nowhere to go and no money left. Its straight from a movie, I didn't think stuff like this happens.
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  26. Shastar are forged in fire. Jaap Naam and keep moving. Talk to all the social services and more importantly the Sangat. Anyone has labor for you take it.
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  27. If Kalyug does not favor you, take comfort Veer Ji. You can pm me any time bro.
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  28. That's probably the best response to this question. The cultural and social aspect is important. But somewhere along the way the appreciation and "respect" of the cow became worship.
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  29. Very good point. And in india cow was the most common pet. Only cows were tamed and kept inside houses.
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  30. This is where i got it from but idk what video unless its edited.
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  31. and she's given a speech too:
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  32. Amrit Pritam is considered one of India's greatest modern poets, and always included in lists of "great Sikh women" or "inspirational Sikh women" and the rest. It's interesting how her most well known poem "Waris Shah" was about the horrors of the partition, in particular the plight of women. Yet in 1984 she was living in Delhi when 1000s of Sikh women were raped and Amrita didn't write a single thing. For someone who wrote poems and books about the struggles Indian women face, she was very silent when it was happening at her doorstep in 1984. Wouldn't surprise me if she was friends with members of the Congress party.
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  33. She's out of jail now.
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  34. On the topic of medicine and pharma take nasseau for example. Somebody could... What Is Zofran? Zofran (ondansetron) is an antiemetic and selective 5-HT3 receptor antagonist prescribed for the treatment of nausea and vomiting due to cancer chemotherapy and also used to prevent and treat nausea and vomiting after surgery. Zofran is available in generic form. What Are Side Effects of Zofran? Common side effects of Zofran include: diarrhea, headache, fever, lightheadedness, dizziness, weakness, tiredness, drowsiness, constipation, rash, blurred vision, and muscle spasm. Dosage for Zofran Zofran adult dose is 32-mg given as a single dose or divided in three 0.15-mg/kg divided doses infused over 15 minutes. What Drugs, Substances, or Supplements Interact with Zofran? Zofran may interact with arsenic trioxide, tacrolimus, tramadol, antibiotics, antidepressants, anti-malaria medications, heart rhythm medicines, medicine to prevent or treat nausea and vomiting, medicines to treat psychiatric disorders, migraine headache medicines, narcotics, or seizure medications. Tell your doctor all medications and supplements you use. Zofran During Pregnancy and Breastfeeding Zofran should not be used during pregnancy unless the benefits outweigh the risks. It is not known if Zofran is excreted in breast milk. Consult your doctor before breastfeeding. Additional Information Our Zofran Side Effects Drug Center provides a comprehensive view of available drug information on the potential side effects when taking this medication. What are the chances the less common side effects include death, stroke, seizure, anurism, or something horrible. Or somebody could drink Bhang and kill two birds with one stoner and never encounter a negative side effect and especially not death. And if we look at the meds this replaced I bet it's even worse.
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  35. Quick question: Didn't Guru Gobind Singh Ji say he wasn't Waheguru. Wondering if Guru Sahib meant that he wasn't solely Akalpurakh and how that would fit with the quotation above... Bhul Chuk Maaf ?
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  36. Bro I think eradicating hunger and homelessness has nothing to do with this topic especially when title for this topic is ‘Cannabis vs Alcohol’. You do not need to Einstein to figure out what elements of Cannabis the poster is trying to compare.
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  37. I have personally never seen any young Nihung Singh excel from using Cannabis but you can’t take my personal encounters and discount anybody’s medical findings regarding the use. The same should apply to you when you make claims about your encounter with schizophrenia. The fact is that Cannabis does have a link to psychosis and schizophrenia and this is backed up by research. Regarding modern pharma and negative affects, this is too deep to even converse on. I do know that when Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj was injured from a wound inflicted by a dagger, a European Surgeon was given the task to tend the wound. For that time you could say that this was the use of modern medical practice. I also know that Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj also possessed modern weapons. This tells us that our Guru was in favour of modern warfare as well as modern medical practices. So my question to you is why are you afraid of modern medicine and why are you on the path to making a ritual of preserving something that was used for specific scenarios of the time.
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  38. Exercise and eating light is best IMO. I tend not to go overboard with stuff I won't be able to do forever. The older you get the more commitments a person has. I can no longer dedicate 2+ hours working out everyday. So, eat enough to obtain energy for work and maintain an exercise routine, but not too much that you end up gaining a pound here and there, or not eating enough so you end up feeling weak and fuzzy brained. TV can jog on. Nonsense. Absorb good, high-minded thoughts and feelings and it will eventually reflect in your mindset. Glean bukwaas and you'll start chatting and thinking bukwaas, too. ?
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  39. China is dying to attack India, Pakistan is drooling over it, lol It's very true, the amount of Gursikhs that country has tortured and killed.
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  40. well so far China has built an outpost inside LOC and the silk road motorway project is moving forward when this completes then it will be easy for China to attack deep into India, pakistan, iran, turkey and into Europe . Modi will goad then surrender territory to China and then call for boycott of china goods whilst giving multi-million contracts to China's CCP party . Osho was right India is a nation of cowards and two faced people. This is the reward for attacking Harmandir Sahib, killing sant lok and making Gursikhs miserable - destruction by Akal Purakh.
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  41. This was posted 10 years ago but It seems to be a possibility in the the near future, more convincing now than it was 10 years ago. Is this included in Dasam Bani as well? The Hindu is full of hankhar today, blinded by it. Hankar is the beginning of the end. Also, insulting Gurus, holy men and prophets has become a norm for Hindus, especially extremist Hindus. The amount of nindiya you see Hindus doing of holy men is alarming. The things they say about the Muslim prophet, Jesus, Mary, and our Gurus is shocking. Its twisted, perverted and sick. Even by accidently reading it you feel like you have committed 100 sins. Far too much paap is building up in that country. I think history is soon gnna repeat itself in India, they've had a couple of decades of "freedom"
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  42. This man Karminder is a malaysian missionary parasite. He is a nindak of everything from Sri Dasme Patshah's granth Sahib to naam simran to every single sakhi there is on Sikhi. That should be the least of your concerns brother. Focus on the lies coming out his mouth first. Read this rebuttal I wrote some years ago to his Babur Bani lies: (https://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/19698-sick-parasite-network-spn-ਜੈਸੀ-ਮੈ-ਆਵੈ-ਖਸਮ-ਕੀ-ਬਾਣੀ/ (It is quite long) This is another shabad that has come on the Sick Parasite Network, written by a learned doctor of that site - "Dr Karminder Dhillon." He is a great inspiration to his pet rat aman, who is an admin on that site, and is always looking to host his mentors thoughts on that forum. I want to have a look at some of this great doctors thoughts and add my own thoughts to it. I will be posting the great doctors thoughts in black and my own in blue so readers can distinguish. Dr Karminder starts by saying " Shabd is composed by Guru Nanak ji in Tilang Rag and is recorded on page 722 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji." This Shabd stands high on the list of “wrongly translated Shabds." I always wonder how did the Panth manage to follow the wrong translations for centuries until Sikhs of Dr karminders calibre were born to take us out of the darkness and into the light. The Shabd is further (wrongly) described as “Babbur Vanee” by many translators. Babbur Vanee means it is composed for and narrated to Mogul conqueror Babur. Babur Vanee further means it predicts the end of the Mogul rule in India. - Babar Bani is just an informal title given to it, to distinguish it from the other shabads. When we hear the name "Babar Bani" then we understand it to be talking about this particular shabad. That is all. There is no conspiracy. Just as the "Lavan" shabads haven't been given the title of "Lavan Bani" but whenever we talk about the "Lavan" it is clearly understood that we are talking about which shabads. Similarly there are many shabads by Guru Nanak Dev Ji which are addressed with the word "Vanjara" in them. These also are not titled "Vanjara banis" but we understand them to be about the Vanjara shabads of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. You can see from the above thoughts of the great doctor, the depth of intellect, and the reasons why he is has god-like status on Sick Parasite Network. Then the great doctor goes on to write "Gurbani is Sarab Sanji; by which is meant it is NEVER occasion, location, era or person specific. This means that while Gurbani is always composed at some location, may be composed to draw from specific occasions, and may be uttered in the presence of person or persons – the composition is NEVER MEANT for any specific location, any particular occasion or for a certain person(s). ALL of Gurbani is composed for use in ALL locations, ALL occasions, ALL eras and ALL persons. Gurbani is spiritual in nature and meant for the WHOLE of humanity throughout time. Specifying Gurbani for specific locations, occasions and person(s) is a human failing. It arises from our failure to explore the true spiritual messages of Gurbani. It originates out of our folly of wanting to understand Gurbani only in the literal sense." Here is the doctor is partially correct. Gurbani is spiritual in nature and meant for the whole of humanity throughout time. However Gurbani is not restricted from, neither does it abandon the "uthanka" or background to such writings. Gurbani has many levels, and the historical aspect of Gurbani is also valid. Coming back on the great doctors thought that Gurbani is never occasion, location era or person specific, I would like to bring these lines of shabads to the reader so they can see if doctor karminder is correct.: ਫਰੀਦਾ ਪੰਖ ਪਰਾਹੁਣੀ ਦੁਨੀ ਸੁਹਾਵਾ ਬਾਗੁ ॥ Bhagat Farid Ji Maharaj bani starts a lot with "Farida" where he is telling/educating himself. Did BHagat Ji tell these with others in mind? Possibly but the immediate instruction is to himself. So in the first instance this gurbani and many others of Bhagat Ji are person specific. But when we read them are WE telling Bhagat Farid what he must do, in order to find God?" ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ Aasaa, Fifth Mehla: ਪ੍ਰਥਮੇ ਮਤਾ ਜਿ ਪਤ੍ਰੀ ਚਲਾਵਉ ॥ First, they advised me to send a letter. ਦੁਤੀਏ ਮਤਾ ਦੁਇ ਮਾਨੁਖ ਪਹੁਚਾਵਉ ॥ Second, they advised me to send two men. ਤ੍ਰਿਤੀਏ ਮਤਾ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰਉ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥ Third, they advised me to make the effort and do something. ਮੈ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤੁਹੀ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥੧॥ But I have renounced everything, and I meditate only on You, God. ||1|| This shabad by Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj is person specific. Which Sikh who has read this shabad sent a letter and then subsequently two men? To whom did he send them? ਕਹਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਤਿਲੋਚਨ ਬਾਲਕੁ ਪਾਲਨ ਪਉਢੀਅਲੇ ॥ Says Naam Dayv, listen, O Trilochan: the child is laid down in the cradle. ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਕਾਜ ਬਿਰੂਧੀ ਚੀਤੁ ਸੁ ਬਾਰਿਕ ਰਾਖੀਅਲੇ ॥੪॥੧॥ Its mother is at work, inside and outside, but she holds her child in her thoughts. ||4||1|| Here Bhagat Ji is addressing Bhagat Trilochan directly. It's still a lesson that we as humans use, but the fact is that it is not addressed to us all at that specific time. It was specifically to one person. ਮੇਰੇ ਸਿਖ ਸੁਣਹੁ ਪੁਤ ਭਾਈਹੋ ਮੇਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਣਾ ਆਉ ਮੈ ਪਾਸਿ ਜੀਉ ॥ Listen O my Sikhs, my children and Siblings of Destiny; it is my Lord's Will that I must now go to Him. ਹਰਿ ਭਾਣਾ ਗੁਰ ਭਾਇਆ ਮੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਕਰੇ ਸਾਬਾਸਿ ਜੀਉ ॥ The Guru gladly accepted the Lord's Will, and my Lord God applauded Him. So when we read the above lines from Ramkali Sadd, are we assuming the title and rank of Guru? Or is it Sunder saying it for a specific moment in the Guru's Life? From the above few lines it is apparent that Gurbani does not share Doctor karminders views of what gurbani should be. The great doctor karminder then writes : "We shall start by looking at the final verse ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਆਖੈ ਸਚੁ ਸੁਣਾਇਸੀ ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬੇਲਾ ॥ ੨ ॥ Sach Kee Banee Nanak Akhey Sach Sunayesee Sach Kee Bella. Sach – The Creator. Sach Kee Banee – God Connecting Banee. Akhey – Pronounces. Sunayesee – Discourses. Bella – Time. Sach Kee Bella – Creator Given Time; Lifetime as Given by the Creator; ALL times, forever. Nanak Pronounces God Connecting Banee and Conducts Godly Discourse at every God Given Moment." This is entirely his own interpretation. How do we know this is wrong? Because Guru Sahib conducted his life in as one whole given moment in God. But yet Guru Sahib still slept, travelled, worked etc. During these times how was Guru Sahib conducting Godly discourse? Guru Sahib only conducted Godly discourse at certain times and places. Lets look at Prof Sahib Singh's interpretation: ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ = ਸਦਾ ਕਾਇਮ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ। ਆਖੈ = ਆਖਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਚਾਰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਸੁਣਾਇਸੀ = ਸੁਣਾਂਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ, ਉਚਾਰਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ, ਆਖਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ। ਬੇਲਾ = ਸਮਾ, ਮਨੁੱਖਾ ਜਨਮ ਦਾ ਸਮਾ। ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬੇਲਾ = ਸਿਮਰਨ, ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦਾ ਹੀ ਇਹ ਸਮਾ ਹੈ ॥੨॥੩॥੫॥ (ਜੀਵ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਰੰਗ ਵਿਚ ਮਸਤ ਹੋ ਕੇ ਉਮਰ ਅਜਾਈਂ ਗਵਾ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ) ਨਾਨਕ ਤਾਂ (ਇਸ ਵੇਲੇ ਭੀ) ਸਦਾ ਕਾਇਮ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ, (ਸਾਰੀ ਉਮਰ ਹੀ) ਇਹ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਕਰਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ, ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਇਹ ਮਨੁੱਖਾ ਜਨਮ ਦਾ ਸਮਾ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਹੀ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਹੈ ॥੨॥੩॥੫॥ Faridkoti teeka translates it as : ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਹਤੇ ਹੈਂ ਸਚੇ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ (ਬਾਣੀ) ਹੁਕਮੁ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ ਂਧੁਰਿ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਆਈਂ (ਸਚ ਕੀ ਬੇਲਾ) ਸਚੇ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਚਾਰਨ ਕੀ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਮੇਂ ਸਵੇਰੇ ਸੋ ਸਚ ਹੀ ਅਸੀ ਸੁਣਾਂਵਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਔ ਸੁਣਾਵੈਂਗੇ॥੨॥੫॥ Dr Sant Singh Khalsa in english translates this as : Nanak speaks the Word of Truth; he proclaims the Truth at this, the right time. ||2||3||5|| Now what karminder is saying is somewhat based on these but he gives a confused message to the reader. "Nanak Pronounces God Connecting Banee..." since when did Guru Nanak pronounce any bani that wasn't god connecting? karminder is trying to confuse the reader by saying that Guru Sahib at times, prounced gurbani that wasn't god-connecting. Dr. Karminder Singh Dhillion Phd(Boston) then further writes about the whole shabad and towards the end says : "TWELVETH VERSE ਆਵਨਿ ਅਠਤਰੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਸਤਾਨਵੈ ਹੋਰੁ ਭੀ ਉਠਸੀ ਮਰਦ ਕਾ ਚੇਲਾ ॥ Avan Athathrey Jaan Satanvey Hor Bhee Uthsee Marad Ka Chela. Avan – Coming. Athathrey – 78. Jaan – Goes. Satanvey – 97. Hor – More, Many, Others. Bhee – Also. Uthsee – Raise, Come to the forefront. Marad – Male, Masculine, Man-liness. Chela – Disciple, Follower, Subscriber. This is the verse that has been subject to a great deal of wrong translations. A Commentary is therefore necessary to first critique the existing faulty translations. The (wrong) translation is: Coming in seventy-eight (1578 Sammat, 1521 A.D.), they will depart in ninety-seven (1597 Sammat, 1540 A.D.), and then another disciple of man will rise up. (Sant Singh MD D Translation.) Other translators – Prof Sahib Singh, and Manmohan Singh mention Emperor Babur as coming in 1578 and being defeated by Sher Shah Suree in 1597. The Fareedkot Vedic Teeka says “the Moghuls will come in 1578 and go in 1597 and that the “Mard Ka Chela” refers to Guru Gobind Singh ji. COMMENT ONE: All the above translators translate the words ATHUTREY (78) and SATANVEY (97) to mean 1579 and 1597 Bikarmee. How the 15 came to be added is anyone’s guess. Because 15 is NOT mentioned in the Verse, If we want to add 15 on our own, why not 1478 and 1479? Or 1678 and 1679? After “assuming” that 79 and 97 is 1579 and 1597 Sammat respectively the years are then converted by the translators from Bikarmee (Indian calendar) to the western year 1521 and 1540 AD. Then the translators say these are the years Babur came to Saidpur 1521 AD (where the massacre took place) and that Babur WILL GO in 1540 AD." According to the great daktors thinking, the translation including the "15" is wrong. I can't beleive how Boston is handing out PHD willy nilly. I should get one. The text in Gurbani says 78 and 97 but if we are reading or understanding this 5 centuries later we need to add that "15" to know what time period we are talking about. For example, when we talk about partition now, we can just refer to it as 47. As I ask old people "Where you alive in 47?" Everyone knows that this is a direct reference to 1947 because 2047 hasn't happened yet. But in 500 years time will people still refer to it as 47? No, because it will not be clear. They will refer to it as 1947. The commentators on this line of Gurbani have correctly added the 15 to make it clearer for the reader. So the great PHD doctor starts off on a very weak foot here. "SEVEN BASIC things are WRONG with such translations. 1) They show Guru Nanak making a PREDICTION of worldly matters (that Babar or Mogul Raj WILL go in 1540 AD). Our Gurus never do such. Predicting the future is not a Gurmat Principle." Predicting the future for a Sikh is not gurmat principle, but for the Guru it is no effort. Guru Sahib has correctly told of the going of (end of) the moghals. So given that this shabad is focused entirely on an actual historical event, seen in the first person by the Guru, and written about factually by the Guru, it is unable to be refuted by the great PHD doctor karminder that it is against gurmat principles. We Sikhs are not the same as the Guru. Guru Gobind Singh Ji drew his sword and asked for 5 heads. Why don't Sikhs do that same thing now when doing khande ki pahul sinchar? Simple. We are Sikhs, the Guru is the Guru. "2) Such translations make spiritually rich Gurbani into a ocassion specific “historical” narrative. This is never the nature of Gurbani. Gurbani is SARAB SANJHEE – for ALL ocassion, all persons, all locations etc. Most importantly Gurbani is spiritual." This has been answered above in the composition of Ramkali Sadd. Ramkali Sadd IS a specific historical narrative. So it is very apparent that Doctor Karminder Dhillon PHD Boston is wrong. The majority of Gurbani is spiritual but not all. "3) Such translations portray Guru Nanak as inconsistent. The translator says Guru Nanak depicts the “CRUELTY of Babur to innocent women and children” and YET calls BABUR as a MARD !! How is Babur an invader a MARD? And whose CHELA? What’s so MARD about massacring innocent people?" Mard in persian means "man." That is all. Guru Sahib describes Babar as a man. Nothing else regarding his military prowess, personal habits, political standing etc. Chela means follower. All Guru Sahib is stating here is that one of Babar's followers will take his place. "4) Such translations makes it seem that Guru Nanak got his history wrong !!! Babur entered India in 1526 AD. The battle of Panipat took place in 1526. That’s the year he becomes emperor. So the massacre in Saidpur was AFTER 1526. The year 1521 AD for ATHUTREY by the translator is off by 5 years! How could Guru Nanak have made this mistake? Babur died on Dec 26 1530. So the year 1540 AD for ATHANVEY (the year Babur left Saidpur !!) is off by 10 years!! He was already in his grave." The first thing to note here is the Gurbani mentions no names. The line is " ਆਵਨਿ ਅਠਤਰੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਸਤਾਨਵੈ ਹੋਰੁ ਭੀ ਉਠਸੀ ਮਰਦ ਕਾ ਚੇਲਾ ." There is no reference to Babar in name but as the shabad tells us the "wedding party" came from Khorasan at the same time Babar did, we know it is refering to Babur and his Mongol army. All the Gurbani tells us is that "they came in 78 (1521) and will return in 1540. So this has nothing to do with the lifetime of Babur itself. That is a very important thing to note here. This is where the PHD Boston of Karminder Dhillon has erred. Babur actually entered Panjab way before in 1519 according to his autobiography. He scored victories and took some land but then had to return to Kabul to quell a rebellion there. His meagre force left in Panjab was then defeated in an uprising. He re-entered Panjab in 1521. The sacking of Saidpur was in 1526. It could hardly be called a battle. There was feeble or no resistance at all. Babur had used Saidpur as a warning to those who stood in his way. he made an example of Saipur to show the rulers of Hindustan his ruthlessness. The Rt Hon Doctor karminder dhillon PHD Boston then writes: "The shabd is wholly spiritual. It uses multiple metaphors – marriage, junj, joree, daan, mighty human beings, power full beings etc etc. Guru ji also used IDIOMS. We need to understand the context of these metaphors and get to the spiritual messages. That is how we interpreted the entire Shabd as above. This particular verse is NO EXCEPTION. In English we may say SCORES come and DOZENS go. One score is 20. And one dozen is 12. This means whatever is being referred to comes and goes APLENTY. IT DOES NOT mean someone particular came in 1820 and went in 1912!!!! In our everyday language we say SAU AIYE TEY SAU GAYEY. SAU is one hundred. Or TEREY VARGEY KAYEE HAZAAR DEKHEY. Or TEREY VARGEY CHATEE (36) AIYEY. These numbers are used idiomatically to portray unspecific multitudes. The shabd uses the numbers BOTH idiomatically to portray MULTITIDES and poetically to be within the poetic confines of the verses before and after. ਆਵਨਿ ਅਠਤਰੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਸਤਾਨਵੈ ਹੋਰੁ ਭੀ ਉਠਸੀ ਮਰਦ ਕਾ ਚੇਲਾ ॥ Avan Athathrey Jaan Satanvey Hor Bhee Uthsee Marad Ka Chela. Avan – Coming. Athathrey – 78, metaphor for unspecified multiples. Jaan – Goes. Satanvey – 97; metaphor for unspecific multiples. Hor – More, Many, Others. Bhee – Also. Uthsee – Raise, Come to the forefront. Marad – Male, Masculine. Chela – Disciple, Follower, Believer, Worshipper. Unspecified Multiples Will Come and Multiple More Will Depart as Worshippers of Masculine Prowess. (Yet the Hukm of the Creator Will Remain as Permanent). " To me, this just sums up the clutching of straws to build up a straw man argument. Using a specific non rounded number is NOT part of everyday talk. We use, and indeed Gurbani uses numbers like a hundred, thousands, and lakhs etc. But it never uses numbers like 78, 97, 146, 2685, 743872 etc. Using rounded numbers to portray a particular aspect or point is normal in any language. But to try and use "78" and "97" for unspecified numbers is just nonsensical. But those rats like that admin aman on SPN live for this kind of nonsense. The great doctor then ends with some of his musings on what gurbani should be with : "COMMENT ON THE NOTION OF SARAB SANJHEE BANEE. When we say Gurbanee is NEVER occasion, location, time or person specific – we are saying the messages are NOT meant for a particular location, occasion, time or individual. We are saying ALL of Gurbani is meant for ALL of humanity for ALL times." Again this is not bourne out by the inclusion of Ramkali Sadd. Although there is great teachings in that shabad for the benefit of humankind, there is no denying that the writing was an occasion and person specific event. I wonder why it is, that these PHD's and ilk feel that there is a need to distort each and every aspect of Gurmat to their own particular thoughts. We had Angy on here some months ago doing it, and they have no shame in doing it. Plenty have. I have on Sick Parasite Network, but they only ban you when barmy karmy is exposed. Did you? And what did you find ?
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  43. Not sure who this man is but he sounds like a missionary. Why is his dhari tied? He says sakhis were written by non Sikhs, so was Kavi Santokh Singh ji a Hindu or a Musalman? He says there are no sakhis in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Wrong. Much of Gurbani is in response to the very Sakhis which we narrate. Bani has a backdrop and context, sakhis are a narration of this backdrop. E.g. When Guru Nanak Dev ji revealed Babur Bani. The town/region that Babur Bani was revealed and set in, was a town where saints were disrespected. Bhai Mardana ji or Bhai Bala ji went around the town knocking on the doors asking for water and every single person of the town insulted them and slammed the doors on their faces. Babur then invades this very town and Guru ji describes the invasion. The princes were cut into pieces while the women had their hair shaved off, metal chains put around their necks and they were sent off to be sold in the markets. We hear about the sakhi how Guru Arjan dev jis jealous brother tries killing Guru Hargobind sahib ji when he was a baby. He first sent a lady who put poison on her breast and she breast fed baby Guru Hargobind Sahib ji but nothing happened. He then sent a snake charmer to poison Guru ji with his snake but Guru ji ended up playing with the snake. Guru Arjan dev ji wrote bani in response to this. He writes how the poison did nothing. There's a sakhi of how some Pathan on a horse came to kill Guru Arjan Dev ji but the horse ran into fire and the Pathan died in the fire. I believe Guru ji revealed bani in response to this You hear about the sakhi of bhamans dragging out Bhagat Namdev ji from the mandir, well Bhagat ji writes bani in response to this. You hear about Bhagat Farid ji in the jungle, the crows start sitting around him like a carcass and start pecking at bhagat jis flesh, bhagat ji writes bani in response to this and tells the crows not to peck at his eyes. Guru Gobind Singh jis shabd, "mitr pyare nu" has a Sakhi behind it. He wrote his shabd in machiwara jungle after he lost his family. In fact, much of bani was revealed as a response to a situation, these situations are the very Sakhis this man is calling false. How is one supposed to know the context of the bani if we don't know the sakhi behind it. I don't know who allows these people on stage. Has anyone ever questioned this man?
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  44. Sau sakhi was distorted by Britishers. They still have the Original copies. Also WHatever is mentioned above is very true. Also 'Ross Firangi CHeen Japan Sab Karenga AMRIT PAAN'. Time would come that All religions would turn to ONE VARAN. Also Russia would make Long HIGHWAY thru Punjab. BY 2012, Many Economists have pridicted that Dollar would COllapse. CHina's Yaun would emerge as new currency. also Western powers would not be able to control POWER worldwide. Problem would emerge from OIL in Middle East( I can feel the Heat in the Region especially Saudi Arab) as i am Living in Dubai). Also Global Warming Issue was long back raised by Bhagat Puran Singh ji. He also mnetioned that in coming Futue states like Bombay,Calcutta,Banglore and Other Costal areas are in great Danger. Northern States of India would suffere from Sever Heat Strokes due to changes in Climatic Patterns. Yesterday only I read in Papers that the Temp. in delhi has already gone to 40 deg. in ending of March-10 month. Just imagine what would happen in month of June and July. There was one Famous Predictor(He is a Economists) that Western Powers would suffere from Riots, Civil Wars, Food Shortages, Cyclones, Earthquakes.
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