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Prefer not to reveal where i live veerji.But its in southeast Asia.

there may be war or wars. But in future there is definitely going to be societal collapse. There will be economic crashes, energy shortages and environmental calamities.

It will just be lip service, there is unlikely to be any will to support the farmers instead of maintaining steady relations with GOI

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh Hanji veerji.There was a Mahapurakh in a nearby country, in Malaysia.He gave alot of Bachans and all of them came true.He said that in the future everything will go back to how it was during Puratan times. Bhul Chuk Maf ?

It's an interesting point about forgiveness, I do wonder that had the guy that was killed been Sikh but had cut hair (or not even Sikh) would we look at the whole thing differently, anyway, i think that's a conversation for a different thread. I think forgiving and accepting are two different things, in this case, for whatever wrong's Gagandip Singh did, he didn't deserve what happened to him, his family has to live with the face that they lost a son/brother in a terrible way, for them to forgive or accept is beyond reproach, for us as a society, it's different, accept them back yes but we're in no place or position to forgive. When i was growing up there was a Sikh man who was in jail for manslaughter (he got drunk, lashed out at his wife, ended badly), the gurdwara i go to accepted him into the fold when he was released from prison (it was the mid 80's, i think he only served 10 years or so), this guy was always at the gurdwara, always doing seva, he felt spending time in jail wasn't enough to repent for what he has done, most of the sangat didn't bat an eyelid but you always got the few that would sit there judging him for what he did, i don't know if you would call that forgiveness or acceptance but him coming into the fold changed his life for the better, i think if he wasn't accepted he would have ended up a homeless drunk who would have been found dead in a gutter somewhere.

Unlike our dear, beloved Muslim brothers, we aren't going to murder our own for making their own way in life even if that direction is contrary to Sikh norms. Live and let live.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/guru-nanak-birthday-why-a-frenchman-an-american-a-canadian-and-a-scot-became-sikh/articleshow/71918330.cms Sorry, the website doesn't allow me to copy & paste article

Veer you talk of 50 years i feel its gonna be this year.??. Tensions have increased in my neighbouring countries.I study history and I can see some patterns repeating. For example before WW2 Japan became a miltaristic government and became aggressive.Then U.S.A put sanctions and trade embargos on Japan causing Japan to be more aggressive and invade southeast Asia. Now Myanmar is taken over by Military.U.S.A has put trade embargos and sanctions again.Lets hope the pattern does not repeat.

I know we cannot predict the future, but you think we will see another world war in the next 50 years?

Its fine don't need to say sorry veerji.? I am not sure of the name of the Mahapurakh.Sangat would call him Khalsa ji.

Sorry If I didn't clarify my post, I meant Einstein as a separate source I know Giani Thakur Singh Ji has said the same as you, and has mentioned at least one Mahapurkh as his source

Nope i was referring to a Mahapurakh who used to live in Malaysia.The Mahapurakh got mukhti a couple of years back.I am not sure if He said anything about a war but i know his bachan was that everything will go back to like how it was during Guru Maharaj time.

Not a 'Mahapurkh', but Einstein: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_III Albert Einstein is often quoted as having said: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones". Einstein might not have actually said this, but other things he said show that he believed the weapons used in World War III might be so devastating that they would end civilization as we know it.[1] And this : “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

The RSS BJP Hindu Mentality on Social Media The RSS BJP Hindu Mentality is quite simple, if you want me to put it in short terms, it's this: Be stupid, and spread misinformation to cope, also if you don't have the time to read this, just know they're advocating for another 1984, another Sikh genocide on social media, we are only their friends when we don't speak up for our rights, or when we don't protest, they want us to be subjugated and to remain put while they step all over us, only then they'll ever see us as "friends" Currently these Hindu's are trying to state that Sikhism is apart of Hinduism, or they'll try to rewrite history where all Sikh warriors were actually Hindu such as Banda Singh Bahadur in which they'll ignore that fact he became a Sikh and will just say that he's actually Hindu, or they'll try to state that the "real sikhs" are Udasi's, they're even trying to bring up Guru Nanak-ji's childern to back themselves up, or they'll try to state how many times Hindu deities are mentioned in our holy book without realizing why they're mentioned, they'll also say that our Guru's were Hindu even though they weren't (They will pretend to forget about how the sacred threads of both Hinduism and Islam were rejected, or how idol-worship etc is not allowed) Well what else do these Hindu's do? They will post Hindu warriors and battles and try to claim our history as "Myth" they will try to downplay the feats of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, and will cry that Hindu's actually saved Sikhs from the Mughals while ignoring the fact Sikhs saved Marathi women from the Mughals. You see, their Ego is hurt, they can't accept with the facts so they have to resort to misinformation to make themselves feel better, they'll often try to forget the fact that many Hindu's were actually cowards and decided to convert to Islam to avoid death, unlike our brave Sikh martyrs. They are upset that Hindu's are mocked worldwide, y'know what I mean, they are the "Apu's" the people whom worship Cows, and drink their piss, the ones calling as IRS or Dell Tech support, they are fragile and we have hurt their ego and made them insecure, especially when we received recognition and support from Rihanna, I personally never heard of Hindu-recognition or Hindu-feats during any world-war, even the British Empire looked down upon them and preferred us as we are a "Martial race" They will call us Langarjeet, they will do beadbi, and they will misinterpret our religion, it's simply because they just can't cope, they can't accept the facts that they made India a laughing stock. These are the same people that tried to pin all the R@pe cases in India on the Muslims, and even call them our enemies, yet I have seen more Muslim supporters than Hindu supporters, even the Sikh empire were 80% comprised of Muslims, the only thing that these Hindu's can share with us is Mughal Tyranny, however after their downfall it's been the Hindu's whom oppressed us more than the Muslims. (Yes, there's still an issue with grooming gangs, and Afghanistan, but they're being condemned by many western Muslims, and many western Muslims are supporting the protest, the same energy however isn't being seen with western-Hindus.) RSS BJP Hindu's are basically parasites, you'll see many of these "Hindu Nationalist" pages talk about the glory days and preach about voting BJP again for the dharma, and pretend to be based but the ironic part is that even racist white nationalists rather have Sikhs than them, these Apu's are all talk, keyboard warriors, they disrespected the Khanda in Australia and Sikhs ran up on them, and another RSS BJP Hindu in India was put down to his knees, and was begging for forgiveness for his dumb comments to some Singhs in India. The Khalsa is forever sovereign, everyone except these Hindu BJP RSS supporters show us respect, we are known for our courageous bravery, unlike these cowards whom decided to convert to Islam instead of receiving death, how do you respect your Gods yet you're afraid to die? Do Hindu's not have an afterlife, do they not want to reunite or be judged by their 33 million gods? Another tactic they use is to remind hindu's about "Khalistan" whenever they make these pages, they'll always say "Khalistan sikhs made fun of us first, this is just revenge!" It's funny they believe in their false superiority when the rest of the world sees their people as an laughing stock, and that they always had to ask for our help to defend them, Sikhs are friends of the Hindu's until we speak up for our rights, or protest, then they label us as terrorists, make fun of our religion and do beadbi, and attempt to villianize us and our supporters on social media. Look at the west, they're seen as weak and as nerds, meanwhile we aren't, they're waiting for our people to go extinct, many of these Hindu radical fanatics said Punjab will be Hindu because Sikhs are apparently "infertile" and all them are moving away from Punjab, India has done a great job at brain-washing these low-iq BJP Hindu's, they can't accept the facts, that's why you'll see them circulate pictures of Sikhs defending ourselves from police brutality as "Sikh aggression" I urge those of you with free time, to counter their myths on Twitter with facts, and to post the reality of India, and the Farmer-protest, many of these Hindu's are even advocating for another Sikh genocide, saying that there should be an new 1984. Nothing new to us, we are used to fighting the odds and being outnumbered in conflict, they may kill us but they'll never kill our essence, they don't realize that death is nothing for a Singh or a Kaur, we have nothing to fear. One thing I have to say is "Raj Karega Khalsa"

I was listening to a katha of Giani Thakur Singh ji and he said that in future people will go back to old lifestyle and horses etc will be used. Can it happen? At present we r facing many energy and environmental issues.

Trying to figure out how to put this.. We must embrace homosexuals, and still uphold chastity and Anand Karaj. We must embrace women as equals but also demand they perform as equals and still respect Anand Karaj. Putting a Shastar in Bhenjis hands and respecting her is the real feminism. Expecting women to function and be healthy is also feminism. Respecting them for their differences and strengths is real feminism. In Guriskh society, from what I can tell, most things were legal, or accepted for the larger populace to do. Only truly critical things were enforced. That reflects a lot of acceptance and unity..togetherness..family...but the Guru Sahiban and the Khalsa were in leadership roles and Gursikhi was never altered to accomodate the lack of morals in general human society. I think we need to outwardly accept these groups, and hold the Sikhs within them to Gursikhi. Or love them as community members but not Gursikhs. If we try and control or dissaprove of homosexuality, which is born with the child, all we do is pigeon hole ourselves as backwards. We should respectfully, lovingly, expect them to be chaste and join in Anand Karaj or fight for the Paanth as a single male or female. Kaam is what we eliminate not homosexuality. That's equality. Make no mistake all the new age movements are designed to dissolve the family unit and isolate people for control. Each of these movements does represent an actual segment of society under attack however as well, who's movement is co-opted. So both the minority represented in the movement and the society are simultaneously attacked with each other to degrade morals on both sides. We don't need to anti any of these people. We are for Gursikhi though, and what that means won't change to accomodate people, people change to accomodate Gursikhi. They can help Khalsa Raj from within the Paanth or simply benefit from living under its protection one day. Really the main problem along these lines in the Paanth is people are born Sikh...but they're not.... they're born Punjabi and maybe become Sikh. These punjabis who think they are born a Sikh, and are therefore a Sikh, want to be like everyone else, so they want to change Sikhi to be like them which it isn't. It never was or will be manmat. Actually they were born Punjabi to Sikh parents and when they're ready to accept Gurmat they can become Sikhs. The Paanth actually has no agenda against these interest groups or their well beings. And it's very easy to welcome them into the Paanth and not change Gurmat at all.

Abaolutely ruined catholic mass back in the day. Instead of reverent chanting or singing suddenly we had absolutely untalented acoustic guitar player and friends just massacreing hymns with their happy brandy chords. At least the guitar I've seen with Kirtan is better done or at least the singing Gurbani saves it. I like the traditional insturments. I know they're ornate and probably expensive but you simply cannot even begin to compare guitar and rebab etc. I like accapela Kirtan too. Almost the best really. Sort of interested in combining vocals, and the playing of the tabla parts or music by thumping Shastar and making vocalalized sounds and noises or chants of Vaheguru in different tones...then you could have a group doing Kirtan while two people in the middle do Shastar Vidya and you don't even need insturments. Also if I had the money I would pay the local Paiute Shoshone tribe to sing a selection of Gurbani in their vocal style.

Yeah, we have a similar case in our local area. Punjabi guy tried killing his wife and came out of prison and started working in the local area, he was quite well known by everyone before he went to prison. Very friendly man! I've spoken to him a few times since he came out of prison and I forget that he went to prison! Its like nothing happened and then I remember he tried killing his Mrs! Watched a documentary on one of the Sikh channels a few years back. A prison worker was explaining that when someone comes out of prison, assimilating back into society and socialising is a very important part of the recovery. She said its especially important for ethnic men, considering most Brown/Black men come from tight knit communities, religion and cultures, where acceptance and inclusion is very important. We kind of live in a community which is within the wider community. Its the same with addicts. When they come out of rehab, being accepted by their community is a very important part of the recovery. When people start committing crime or doing drugs, they first distance themselves from their community, stop attending Gurdwara, family/religious events, and then distance themselves from their family. Its when they come out of prison or rehab and are rejected by their communities, that's when they get back to anti-social behavior.

If you've gown up in any western country, then you will be incompatible with India. It's nice to visit like a tourist; pampered by relatives, having Darshan of Dharmic Asthaans, with a safe and secure lifestyle to head back to once you've had your fill. But if you want to prolong your stay, be very very cautious (especially if your are young, female, or non-Indian). Other than that, life is a great teacher. You can go there and try living out your fantasy.

Just like there is different accents for English, there are slight variances in the speaking. In Gurmukhi, its best to follow the santhiya as it is the most reliable source

Absolutely, no one is required to follow Sikhi if they don't want to. They are free to exit and find their own path, its probably for the best actually!

Yes, should always try to forgive. It depends on whether the person has genuinely changed and this will show in demeanour and actions usually A good example From iron bars to Ironman: How a prison rowing machine turned a career criminal into a record-breaking triathlete

Many Sikhs in the West like listening to guitar Kirtan or acoustic kirtan, while in India they like Kirtan sung on filmy tunes. tbh, as Sikhi spreads into different cultures the style of kirtan will change. Different continents, cultures and generations have a different taste in music. Its why you see White Sikhs mostly using a guitar when doing kirtan, its just how they connect to it. But, at the same time I'm seeing a revival of old Sikh culture. Puratan Kirtan, art and literature, especially younger Sikhs. Sikhs seem to be heading two different directions ? One group trying to revive old Sikh culture and ways, while the other trying to project Sikhi through liberal Western ways. Not sure if it exists in Sikhs who know how to play classical Indian instruments, but talented people tend to be quite possessive about their talent and skills. In the past I've been around some talented and creative people (Non Sikhs + 1 Atheist Sikh) and they tend to be very unforthcoming, not wanting to share their skills.

I agree that he did not seem perfect. On further thought, it seems the Shoker guy probably got caught up in the moment and took it too far But women are supposed to mature quicker than men, she could have suspected what Shoker was up to. Why has she not try to take more of the blame?

Sangat should know punjabi/gurmukhi. Not granthis/kathakars learning english.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/563473 According to the Parliament calendar, debate starts at 16:30.

Just seen that Jay Shah again sitting in that cricket stadium in Gujarat, watching the cricket He looks like a 'wrong un'

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/08/california-indian-farmers-protest-sikh-punjab-yuba-city In northern California, home to a large Punjabi population, residents join backlash against laws ‘shoved down people’s throats’ by Summer Sewell Main image: Sukhcharan Singh on his walnut farm in Yuba City, California. Photograph: Salgu Wissmath/The Guardian Mon 8 Feb 2021 11.00 GMTLast modified on Tue 9 Feb 2021 16.54 GMT Shares 492 Sukhcharan Singh grows walnuts in Yuba City, California, about 40 miles north of Sacramento. Like many Sikh farmers in this small Central Valley city, Singh’s thoughts are occupied by the ongoing protests in India. “I lose sleep over this. When I was there, it was a poor country, yes, but it was a good country,” said Singh, 68, flipping through notes he has taken on the latest news out of India. “Last night I finally slept at 11.30.” Advertisement Since the end of November, hundreds of thousands of farmers, mostly from the agricultural states of Punjab and Haryana, have been protesting on the outskirts of Delhi, making the nation’s capital inaccessible for miles. They are demanding that the Hindu nationalist prime minister, Narendra Modi, repeal three laws passed hurriedly by parliament – “shoved down the throats of the people,” as Singh puts it – in September that farmers fear will eliminate regulation, leaving their earnings and livelihoods vulnerable to private investors. “It’s very unfortunate,” Singh said, looking down past the tip of his long white beard. “On one hand I feel glad I’m here, on the other I feel guilty I’m not there.” The ties between there and here are self evident. Outside of India, Yuba City is home to one of the largest groups of farmers from Punjab, the birthplace of Sikhism. Roughly half of the 500,000 Sikhs in the US live in California, with the largest concentration living in Yuba City. Nicknamed “Mini Punjab”, the city elected the US’s first Sikh mayor in 2009, and the country’s first female Sikh mayor in 2017. In the first week of November, the city hosts an annual festival honoring the birthday of the first Sikh prophet, attracting over 100,000 people. Farmers shout slogans as they take part in a sit-in at the Delhi-Uttar Pradesh border last month. Photograph: Harish Tyagi/EPA It’s no surprise, then, that the largest rally outside India in support of the farmer protests took place not far from here. On 5 December, people from Yuba City and other Central Valley cities including Fremont, Fresno, Stockton and Manteca beat drums, shouted over bullhorns and waved flags that read “No farms, no food”. Thousands of big rigs, cars, and trucks departed from Oakland and snarled traffic for hours on the Bay Bridge, before arriving at the Indian consulate in San Francisco. Other large rallies happened in Washington DC, New York, Chicago, Texas, and Michigan that week; throughout December and January, solidarity demonstrations and caravans of various sizes occurred in at least 16 US states. Advertisement Naindeep Singh, executive director of the Jakara movement, a youth-focused non-profit organization that advocates for the Sikh community, spearheaded the protest. “I feel inspired. I see elderly people, my own family members, sleeping in the cold and they’ve been there for months. I feel a deep will to support the efforts in any which way I can,” he said. Community members have also raised funds to support billboards drawing attention to India’s protests throughout the Central Valley, where Punjabi is the third-most spoken language, after English and Spanish. And there are further plans to advertise on the sides of 500 big rigs. “I went to the rally in San Francisco in December to show my support for my brothers there,” said Kulwant Johl, 70, a Sikh farmer in Yuba City who leases out his farmland in Punjab. “The farmers [in India] say they don’t need any money, so right now it’s just moral support and talking to local politicians here and seeing if they can help.” He constantly watches Indian news coverage of the protests on satellite and social media, like many of his neighbors – it has consumed conversations in the community. “That’s all we talk about now,” Johl said. Migration and discrimination Orchards and farms surround Yuba City. Photograph: Salgu Wissmath/The Guardian An estimated 95% of peaches and 70% of prunes in Yuba City are grown by Punjabi Sikh farmers. Johl farms peaches, prunes, pomegranates and almonds. His 800 acres are quite an expansion from the 20-acre plot of his grandfather Nand Singh Johl, who is believed to be one of the first Punjabi men to have settled in Yuba City. Advertisement Nand arrived in Yuba City in 1906. He, like many other Punjabi men following an immigration pattern across the Pacific, had worked the railroads and other transient labor jobs down from Vancouver to California. Having come from a region known for farming, many naturally settled into rural areas with fertile land, including the Central Valley. But those men faced several forms of discrimination. They weren’t allowed to become citizens or bring wives from India; they also could not own land or sign long-term leases due to California’s Alien Land Law of 1913. One way to bypass that law was to put property in the name of American-born children such as the husband and wife Ralie and Stella Singh. Both Ralie and Stella were born to Punjabi fathers and Mexican mothers – about 100 such marriages occurred in Yuba City in the early 20th century. Mexican women, many displaced by the Mexican Revolution, could find farm work alongside and eventually for Indian men in the Central Valley. The couples shared enough physical traits to be waved through by county record clerks, hence sidestepping anti-miscegenation laws that weren’t lifted in California until 1948. Advertisement Over the phone, Stella, 90, recalls eating roti and curry chicken prepared by Mexican women at a Yuba City gathering to celebrate Indian independence in 1947. “In them days,” as Ralie, 92, starts many sentences, “there just weren’t Indian women here.” After the Luce-Celler Act of 1946 was passed, Indian men were able to bring wives from India to the US, which led to a dwindling of these interracial marriages. The Singhs, who retired from farming 1,000 acres, are two of the remaining few here. “We’re unique now,” Stella said, “and we’ll be obsolete pretty soon.” Mixed-race children like them enabled the Indian community to put a stake in the ground in Yuba City. Start on five acres, bring relatives to work, get more land, bring more relatives, Ralie said was the way. “In them days, Indian men came here with nothing but they multiplied and they’re very proud.” Left: A Sikh temple in Yuba City. Right: Yuba City is 40 miles north of Sacramento. Photographs: Salgu Wissmath for the Guardian ‘People are watching’ On 26 January, the protests in India changed shape when some farmers deviated from protest routes, hopping barricades and driving tractors into Delhi. Police responded in the days following by cutting the internet, building stronger barricades, and erecting fences with barbed wire, which affected water and food supply to the protesters. All the while, talks between farmer union leaders and the government stalled and farmers say they aren’t leaving until the laws are repealed. Advertisement “Modi has been seen as untouchable. But a lot of people are watching this. You can’t have an authoritarian regime have victory after victory and it go unchecked,” the Jakara movement’s Naindeep Singh said. India’s supreme court ruled in January in favor of suspending the laws, an unusual pushback against the prime minister. “Will it be the farmers that break Modi’s authoritarian streak?” Singh asked. Then his brisk cadence slowed. “I have family that was affected by the violence in the 80s and 90s. I know the violence that the Indian state can enact, I know how brutal it can be,” he said. “This has to end peacefully.” Mallika Kaur is an author, lawyer and lecturer at the University of California, Berkeley, who works on human rights issues in south Asia. She said genocidal violence in the 80s and 90s against Sikhs in India – “basically open season on Sikhs, and politicians were at the forefront of the attacks” – including on streets of Delhi, where the farmers are protesting today, had resulted in a decades-long distrust of government. “Handing over the keys of agriculture to corporations touches a deep and painful nerve for the community,” she said. “For a very poor country, once these things like basic roti and dal corporations are able to set the prices for, there’s pretty mass devastation and desperation that’s feared. That’s part of the reason why the ordinary person, farmer or not, is supporting the farmers and someone standing up to the government handing over yet another sector to large corporate control.” An estimated 250 million Indian workers from various sectors are also striking in support of the farmers. Students along with their parents hold placards and shout slogans in support of farmers protesting against the central government’s recent agricultural reforms, in Amritsar, Punjab. Photograph: Narinder Nanu/AFP/Getty Images Kaur said at least 143 farmers had died protesting, with an estimated seven suicides – this in a place and profession ravaged by suicides, which have increased more than twelvefold in Punjab in five years. Pneumonia is a big risk; so are heart attacks and other conditions that come with old age and being out in the cold and rain. Workers in medical tents set up at the protest report baseline blood pressure of 150, Kaur said. Advertisement “What we know for sure is there are very desperate times ahead,” Kaur said. “People outside of India should be saying these protests matter because we don’t want to end up with the same kind of disconnect from our food producers.” The US embassy in Delhi is urging the Indian government to resume talks with farmers. A tweet by the singer Rihanna, followed by Greta Thunberg expressing her solidarity with Indian farmers, upset counter-protesters in India, who burned photos of both women on Thursday. Sukhcharan Singh said he was “very, very hopeful” about the celebrity support. “I can’t tell you how much respect for people like them, who think about human rights, I have,” he said. But his outlook is bigger than a few important endorsements. “In India, it’s not just a farmer protest any more. It’s infiltrated the lives of common people. When that happens, those in power have to bend. But I don’t know at what cost and I don’t know when.”

True that person on the outside will have to walk faster.

Don't you like India? Our goal at there is to attach ourselves with Naam,bani,sewa. Yes of course we can do it at home to but I feel the vibration of bhagti in India is much stronger. And there's so many itihaasik Gurdwara. No, you can't get disease like maharaj said ਸਰਬ ਰੋਗ ਤੇ ਉਹ ਹਰਿ ਜਨੁ ਰਹਤ ।। Such a devotee of Lord is free from all diseases. Your age doesnt limit what you do. Think positive come on

I still like koi's argument about orbital distance. Infact, the outer partner will have to increase speed while covering a larger distance to maintain equal timing upon arrival at the starting point.

Lmao, reverse psychology, good idea. Convince her the husband is a mule or livestock to be reined by the bride; a metaphor for marriage. ?? Debate over. Not only is Sikhi pro-female, the Sikh marriage ceremony demotes the groom to animal status.

I agree and that's why nihangs r the best.

Old ways are better

sometimes I listen to Tanti Saaz kirtan and I feel like did we ever hear true kirtan in our youth? just a jugalbandi but still so rich : asa di vaar:

Only way to liberation is bhakti there are no shortcuts Wood is used because its cheap and easily available and reduces cooking time.

these guys r drinking too much cow pashahb and praying to much to rocks they lost there minds

To any brothers and sisters on Twitter who have the time to do so, screenshot every single genocide-and-rape threatening Tweet made by these BJP / RSS supporters, and compile them into one single image / document. In the middle, scaled slightly bigger than the other Tweets, place Kangana Ranaut's Tweet that encourages genocide and destruction of Sikhs. When these people claim India has never been hostile towards Sikhs and that our claims of them attempting to wipe us out are fantasies, present this particular document that lays bare their true depraved and bloodthirsty cravings. This is how you play the propaganda war. But be quick incase they delete their Tweets and claim innocence.

If they weren't so myopic, paranoid, and twisted, they could elevate their country to amazing heights using dharmic values as a foundation. But that's never going to happen.

They have a sick evil far right mentality, I've seen it on all on twitter and instagram. No point arguing with them they are too far brainwashed to reason with. They hate Islam and muslims the most which can be justified because of hindu and indian history and Sikhs the 2nd most for helping oppressed muslims in trouble in india. They also hate christian missionaries which is understandable as they are parasites which prey on the vulnerable and poor hindu/sikh communities. Sad thing is aspects of hinduism are beautiful and there's alot of wisdom in their scriptures alot to be learned but instead of concentrating on promoting hinduism and trying to build bridges with other dharmic communities they are destroying everything in the name of hindu nationalism. It's a bit like our own crazy hardcore ultra Sikh nationalists where they concentrate more on counter-attacking hinduism and are involved deeply in Punjab or gurdwara political issues rather than promoting Sikhi to non-Sikhs and helping them convert so that there are more Sikhs in the world. The hindu nationalists/extremists keep falling into the trap of creating own goals. When they spend more time attacking Islam, muslims and Sikhs rather than promoting the virtues of Hinduism. I seen a few videos of ex-hindu nationalists who later became Sikh or muslim because they found no spirituality or love in what they was involved in. What i learnt over the years is that hate and anger is powerful in short term impact but long term love and empathy has a more powerful effect in changing minds of the opposition. Sikhs can learn alot of lessons from these issues. Every time an enemy attacks Sikhi, use that attack not to counter attack with the same hate and filth but counter it with promoting Sikhi to that community. Make propaganda even promoting ex-muslims to Sikhi, ex-christians to sikhi, ex-hindu to sikhi. Turn the negative into a positive.

Original text from Suraj Prakash Granth. Translated in 2011. ਮਮ ਸਿਖ ਤੁਰਕਣਿ ਸੰਗ ਨ ਕਰੈ। ਏਕ ਬਾਰ ਹੀ ਭੋਗੈ ਕੋਇ। ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਸੋ ਤਤਛਿਨ ਹੋਇ। ਜੋ ਨਰ ਹਿੰਦੁ ਧਰਮ ਕੋ ਧਰੈ। ਬਚੈ ਤੁਰਕਣੀ ਤੇ ਸੋ ਤਰੈ। ਜੋ ਪਰ ਨਾਰਿ ਭੋਗ ਪਛੁਤਾਵੈ। ਕੁਛ ਪ੍ਰਾਸ਼ਚਿਤ ਅਘ ਹਿਤ ਕਰਿਵਾਵ ॥15॥ ਕੈ ਗੁਰ ਸਿੱਖਨ ਤੇ ਬਖਸ਼ਾਵੈ। ਸੋ ਸਿਖ ਅਘ ਤੇ ਬਖਸ਼ਯੋ ਜਾਵੈ। ਜੋ ਤੁਰਕਨਿ ਸਿਖ ਭੋਗਹਿ ਜਾਇ। ਸੋ ਨਹਿਂ ਬਖਸ਼ਯੋ ਜਾਇ ਕਦਾਇ ॥16॥ ਪਾਕੋ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਹ੍ਵ੍ਵੈ ਸੋਇ। ਪ੍ਰਥਮ ਅਜਾਨ ਜਿ ਭੂਲੈ ਕੋਇ। ਮਿਲਿ ਤੁਰਕਨਿ ਸੰਗ ਸਿਖ ਬਨ ਜਾਇ। ਸੋ ਭੀ ਛੂਟ ਜਾਇ ਗੁਰ ਧਯਾਇ ॥17॥ ਪੁਨ ਸਿੰਘਨਿ ਬੂਝੇ ਗੁਨ ਖਾਨੀ। ਬ੍ਰਿੰਦ ਤੁਰਕ ਭੋਗੈਂ ਹਿੰਦਵਾਨੀ। ਸਿਖ ਬਦਲਾ ਲੇ ਭਲਾ ਜਨਾਏ। ਕਯੋਂ ਗੁਰ ਸ਼ਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬਰਜ ਹਟਾਏ? ॥18॥ ਸੁਨਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਬੋਲੇ ਤਿਸ ਬੇਰੇ। ਹਮ ਲੇ ਜਾਨੋ ਪੰਥ ਉਚੇਰੇ। ਨਹੀਂ ਅਧੋਗਤਿ ਬਿਖੈ ਪੁਚਾਵੈਂ। ਯਾਂ ਤੇ ਕਲਮਲ ਕਰਨ ਹਟਾਵੈਂ ॥19॥ ਪੰਥ ਭੂਤਨਾ ਕੋ ਹੈ ਜੋਈ। ਲਿਯੇ ਸੰਭਾਲ ਮੁਹੰਮਦ ਸੋਈ। ਨਹਿਂ ਨੀਚਨ ਕੀ ਰੀਤਿ ਅਛੇਰੀ। ਪਿਖਿ ਅਪਮਾਨ ਕਰਹਿਂ ਸਭਿ ਬੇਰੀ ॥20॥ Translation: A Sikh of mine should not have (physical) relations with a Turkni. If one has (such) sex even on a single occasion, he will become a Muslim at that very instant. The man who adopts the Hindu faith should be wary of Turknis, remaining aloof from them. That man who regrets having sexual relationships with a woman that was not his own and performs some penance for his sin, (15) the Guru will be benevolent towards that Sikh, and he will be pardoned for his sin. The Sikh who enjoys a Turkni will never be forgiven. (16) That person will become a thorough Muslim. If someone has previously had physical relationships with a Turkni in ignorance, and later becomes a Sikh, they will also be pardoned by the Guru. (17) Then the Singhs comprehended the character of the Khans. Turks hordes were ravishing Indian women. If the Sikhs took revenge [by raping in retaliation] it should be recognised as good. Why does the Guru’s instruction (note: ਗੁਰ ਸ਼ਾਸਤ੍ਰ implies a written code of conduct i.e. a rahitnama) prevent them [from doing this]? (18) Listen to what the Guru said on this matter: I have recognised this [Khalsa] path as an exalted one. Without base degradation assimilated within.That is why I prevent you from committing [such] sins. (19) That path which adopts Mohhamad, is one of demons.The ways of those lowly ones are not good.Observe how they commit outrages at every opportunity. (20)

100% agree

These forums are so dead. Most threads barely get any replies, and there are only a few posts each day. What have the mods accomplished by banning one of the most frequent posters?