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Lots of serious debate going on lately (which is good). Let's have a laugh too:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9831797/Bradford-child-abuse-report-reveals-victim-raped-forced-Islamic-marriage.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-top Social worker 'attended wedding of terrified girl, 15, to her abuser': Carers turned a blind eye when teenage grooming victim was forced into Islamic marriage, damning report reveals Independent review on child sexual exploitation was published on Tuesday The review was commissioned in the wake of the sentencing of nine men in 2019 It found social workers in Bradford had turned a blind eye to grooming victim By JAMES TOZER FOR DAILY MAIL PUBLISHED: 19:47, 27 July 2021 | UPDATED: 01:39, 28 July 2021 e-mail 8kshares 1.2k View comments Social workers in Bradford turned a blind eye when a 15-year-old grooming victim took part in an Islamic marriage to one of her abusers, a damning report revealed yesterday. Despite the teenager not coming from a Muslim background, professionals meant to protect her then allowed the parents of her 'husband' to foster her after she became pregnant, it revealed. One of her social workers allegedly even attended the wedding ceremony. The terrified girl – referred to as 'Anna' – was left in a state of 'domestic slavery', too scared to leave the controlling relationship for fear she would be the victim of an honour killing, she told the report's authors. Details emerged yesterday in an independent report into the treatment of five abuse victims in the West Yorkshire city over the past two decades, which found that 'children suffered abuse no child should have to experience'. Alarmingly, it concluded that some youngsters in Bradford 'remain unprotected' from sex exploitation. +2 Social workers in Bradford turned a blind eye when a 15-year-old grooming victim took part in an Islamic marriage to one of her abusers, the damning report revealed yesterday (stock image) The report – described by the body which commissioned it as making 'difficult and, at times, distressing reading' – began two years ago after nine men of Pakistani heritage were jailed for more than 57 years over the sexual exploitation of girls who had been in Bradford Council's care. Anna was placed in residential care as a teenager in 2002 but went missing more than 70 times, according to the report. She disclosed details of sexual abuse – including rapes – to a confidential support service for girls involved in prostitution, but nothing was passed on to police or social workers. RELATED ARTICLES Previous 1 Next Lumberjack, 24, doing his 'dream job' was crushed to death...Britain's biggest travel insurance provider stops offering... SHARE THIS ARTICLE Share The following year, aged 15, she told the project worker she had converted to Islam and married her older Asian 'boyfriend' in a Sharia law ceremony. The report said it appeared there had been 'collusion' with this by her social worker 'who allegedly attended the ceremony and assessed that her marriage was likely to reduce the risks incurred when Anna was missing'. Staggeringly, despite becoming pregnant, after a review Anna was formally placed with her abuser's parents as a foster child, with the family even paid a fostering allowance. +2 The report began two years ago after nine men were jailed for more than 57 years over the sexual exploitation of girls who had been in Bradford Council's care. Pictured: Basharat Khaliq, Saeed Akhtar, Naveed Akhtar, Parvaze Ahmed, Zeeshan Ali, Fahim Iqbal, Izar Hussain, Mohammed Usman and Kieran Harris who were all jailed at Bradford Crown Court in 2019 Anna told the report's author: 'At 14 years old I was engaged to be married, taking on the role of an Islamic wife fulfilling the needs of my husband and the extended family somewhat like a maid. 'We had no similarities in race, religion or culture and I continued to be subject to domestic violence and was subject to a coercive, controlling sexual relationship with a known perpetrator. I was frightened to leave, in fear of an honour-based killing.' The report concluded: 'It is hard to understand how this decision can have been made and it resulted in Anna being entirely reliant on her abuser and his family.' Instead of protecting her from harm, the placement left her 'at greater risk and made her entirely dependent on them', it added. While there, she was subjected to 'domestic slavery' and 'sexually abused and exploited by dozens of adult males', it went on. The Bradford Partnership – which includes Bradford Council children's services and Bradford Police – has since apologised to young abuse victims who had been failed. It said a large number of defendants have been found guilty and given substantial prison sentences. The joint statement said: 'We believe that practice across all agencies is improving... but there is much more to do.'

All degh, and NO tegh = no fateh.

Here's me reflecting over decades, recalling all the idiots from our own community who used to say this type of stuff didn't happen, or was exaggerated. All the 'sianay' who called people highlighting this stuff, 'trouble makers'. All the daft thirsty apneean who thought Sikh blokes telling them about these people were lying. I guess some progress has been made.

I suppose Bhagat Ravidas Ji's heart-wrenching lamentations about caste discrimination (which later became part of Gurbani) were just a figment of his imagination?

What do you propose we view them as when they become the enemy again ONLY because they were nursed back to health by our side? If we keep healing them and they return to reduce our numbers thanks to our demented efforts to please God knows who, what then? It's cloud cuckoo-land. Who fights a war to WIN with such a horribly confused philosophy hanging over their heads? Too late for this now. My cynical self suspects this to be revisionisim to save face or rectify centuries of damaging parchaar that has had the opposite affect of what was intended. NOT ONE giani or kathavachak has EVER contextualised Bhai Kanaiya's escapades on the battlefield by discussing his martial prowess. The sakhi has always been employed as a tool to illustrate compassion and fairness. If we suddenly start hearing about how Bhai Sahib cut off Mughal limbs and heads one moment, and then provided water to dying Mughals a few minutes later, we'll become an even bigger laughing stock than we already are.

Now I know! These pendus are doing this back home too! lol

You're right. He'll be a tool. Or else they'll drop him like a hot potato. But I do understand the psychology of people like that. They are my generation. Because of constant drumming and intimidation of racism, a lot of them have inferiority complexes to whites. I think a lot of them think getting a gori is some jackpot and sign of success. He wrote that book a while ago, so he might have changed his mind since then. Also, from my experiences, I think a lot of Panjabi women don't like genteel, timid guys, so he might not have too many options in that respect? But we do have a movement in UK Sikhs now that is questioning the old docile sepoy narrative. How far it filters to the masses, who have some propensity for anti-intellectualism and shallow bragging bollocks is another matter. But you know us Sikhs, some of us will keep fighting. The sun has to rise after the dark. I just wish rural Panjabis weren't so easily brainwashable by outsiders....... He gets another big thing wrong though, saying how brits made Sikhs feel that they were fighters and sort of reluctantly acknowledges what happened prior to their arrival also had a factor. It was Guru ji that turned Sikhs that way explicitly. They had proved themselves against afghans and moguls way before whites turned up.

Great question friend. Someone else will have to finish the answer. Make an account and stay. I'd say the frequency with which they occur in your area probably will determine if waiting or asking is appropriate. Combined with any pressing time contraint you may be under which hopefully you aren't. Like health.

fakeness is the name of the game these days , it was cringeworthy when the uncles and aunties used get together to throwdown their kids' achievements but now it is beyond stupid . The lies start flowing and then the upmanship annihilates any person's sense in a 20 mile radius. I refuse to be drawn into this when relatives ask after the kids because I used to hate what their BS made my mum feel inadequate though I was an A+ student.

What's the west have to do with this? We can discuss the topic of casteism from a Sikhi framework between ourselves that's nothing to do with the west. Plus you're wrong, the west as a norm tries to breakdown structures of all indigenous people they encounter. Yes, because they fell on their knees and lived like sycophantic, subjugated rats for a long time. They became the play things and tools of conquerors and collaborated with them to survive, shitting on their own that they deemed beneath them in the caste hierarchy, because they weren't manly enough to take on their enslavers. That's how Indians got their renown timid, coward 'peace-loving' reputation

the sgpc rehat maryada is pretty strong as a baseline except for the fact they cut our "kirpaa karo ham par jagmata...dookh na tisai biapat joee" from benti chaupai daas still salty about that ?

I think that Sikh orgs should first help Sikhs in need and then help others