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They know what they're getting themselves into. They aren't children. In most cases, this period of their life becomes a "war story" of sorts they look back on and chuckle about amongst themselves in private. Empathy should be reserved for those with similar values. Most of these people are sociopaths who wouldn't urinate on any of us if we were on fire. I had the misfortune of working with these exact brand of Sikhs for 18 months a few years back when I was getting back on my feet, and I promise you they possess ZERO of the sentimentality that we pampered, gullible, and out-of-touch Westerners show when confronted with these stories. Also, after working with these folks and seeing them up-close and personally, I finally worked out why foreign powers were able to conquer and subjugate our lands and people for centuries. It's because of these people. It's not an exaggeration to say there is something traitorous in our makeup as a group. I remember thinking what I was seeing on the factory floor was most likely very close to what invading armies and personnel would be confronted with when entering our lands; cowardly, double-crossing devils all-too eager to sell out their own people for personal advancement and perks. Microcosm > Macrocosm.

My very first job (decades ago) was in a infamous desi warehouse that catered to off licenses. Those guys were quality. Honorable, tough (and it was the 80s!) but with heart. They would f**k people up frequently, but they had that sort of honorable quality of not abusing or exploiting the vulnerable. Working with apnay (which I still do periodically) has gone downhill since then. And I think it's a relatively modern thing. I think the pressures of the early days made Sikhs band together and be more unified in work environments (I'm also talking about what I sort of saw growing up around Sikh builders). These days, you work with desis, it's cunty all the way. And it's true, they only understand muscle, otherwise they will get off on trying to low key disrespect you with their pendu brethren.

In my experience that's true, but I've seen the exact same brand of unhinged behaviour from "shaehriyeh lok" i.e. people who pride themselves on not living in pinds like those pendu "sorts" they think are beneath them. It's so pervasive in the culture regardless of background it's actually rather sickening. I found myself drawn to the god-forsaken Pakistani and non-Sikh Indians for some respite and common sense! Imagine: your own people are such a lost cause that Muslims and Baiyeh are preferable as company, because they actually know how to treat a person with decency. That little period in my life caused me to question much of what I believed to be true.

Some serious ugly truths there........... Seen it in construction many times. And let's keep it real, it's rural Sikhs that are most sociopathic.

They have the best networking abilities I have ever seen Shittar is the only language they understand.

These women are more savvy and street-smart than a born-and-raised Western, middle-class Sikh male. Fact. They all (the men) have deception, wiles and charm in their arsenal but they have no response to violence and intimidation. That's one guaranteed way to get them in line. They also have that pathological Indian need to defer to whiteness, which is rather amusing and simultaneously pathetic to observe.

100 per cent agreement here. People (particularly us outsiders) fail to see how well connected these guys are with their mobile phones They have friends and relatives all over the world and know every country's loop-holes as they share this information amongst themselves. Even bibian in Punjab who has never ventured outside knows exactly what type of visa is needed for each country and what kind of work they have. They know exactly what they are doing.

History... written... victors... etc. Losers of wars are seldom provided the courtesy of constructing the narrative and terms of their defeat. If anything they're demonised and humiliated, and accused of doing the very feats they were at pains to avoid.

“Learn Shudh Gurbani” app from app store is great

How many wars have you personally fought in?

Sikh martial art 'Gatka' earning sport status A govt official goes all-out to get Gatka the recognition it deserves, at home and abroad, writes Harpreet Bajwa https://www.newindianexpress.com/thesundaystandard/2021/aug/01/sikh-martial-art-gatka-earning-sport-status-2338347.html 01st August 2021 09:47 AM | Last Updated: 01st August 2021 09:47 AM | A+A A- The NGAI headed by Harjeet Singh Grewal has been holding National Gatka Championship every year and is now planning to hold the first Asian Gatka championship next year | Express By Harpreet Bajwa PUNJAB: The traditional Sikh martial art sport Gatka is in revival mode. Harjeet Singh Grewal, Joint Director in Public Relations Department of Punjab government, is the man behind the mission. The Union Sports Ministry has included Gatka in the coming Khelo India Youth Games in February next year. The Asian Gatka Federation and the National Gatka Association of India (NGAI), of which Grewal is the president, are planning to hold the first Asian Gatka championship next year. The NGAI has been holding national championships every year and this year, it will be the ninth edition. “Gatka is being played in more than 16 states (Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Maharashtra, Telangana, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and Madhya Pradesh, among others) and associations have already been formed in these states,” he said. Besides India, it is also being played in more than two dozen countries, including the US, Canada, the UK, France, Italy, Belgium, Dubai, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nepal, Denmark and Germany,” he said. Grewal, 52, was a boxing player in his college days. He was seriously injured in a road accident in 1990, rendering him physically disabled. “It’s my humble effort to revive this forgotten ancient martial art. In collaboration with WGF, the NGAI has compiled its third edition of international gatka rulebook to play it as a systematic game,” he said. Whenever Grewal saw Gatka being played by the Nihangs as a display of martial art during Hola Mahalla, he’d think why not promote the traditional art as a full-fledged sport. The NGAI came up in 2004. “In 2007, I compiled a new rulebook of the game as the old one was made in 1936 — The Art of Gatka Fighting by KS Akali — which cost Re 1 at that time.” He seeks the cooperation of all Sikhs across the globe to make Gatka a recognised sport. “Only two decades ago, it appeared as a gigantic task. But with the support of the Sikh community this task can surely be completed successfully soon,” said Grewal. “We have many ‘akharas’ (training centres) promoting Gatka within and outside the country where budding players learn the sport. In each district of Punjab, there are at least 30 such ‘akharas’,” he says. Grewal says his organisation is planning to put up digital scoreboards and bout replay facility for video umpires. Wooden Gatka sticks are being replaced with fiber sticks embedded with sensors and microchips for quick scoring and calculating fouls. More safety equipment such as face, chest and shoulder guards and shin protectors are introduced. To put in place an effective mechanism to identify and nurture Gatka sporting talent, the NGAI and ISMAC will set up an residential institute in SAS Nagar, says Grewal. A documentary film is under production and animation films on the Sikh martial art will also be produced to showcase its historical importance. Grewal also promotes football among Sikh players. He holds the Sikh Football Cup (SFC) in Punjab and heads the Khalsa Football Club (Khalsa FC), which is affiliated with All India Football Federation. In SFC, only Keshadhari (Sikhs with unshorn hair and beards) football teams from all districts compete as the Khalsa FC is aiming to promote Sikh players for retaining their identity as Keshadhari in all sports. What Grewal has achieved Punjab govt included Gatka in its state gradation list in 2015 and the players can avail benefits under the 3% sports quota in govt jobs and in admissions to all professional and academic institutions The School Games Federation of India included Gatka as a sport in the 56th National School Games calendar in 2011-12 Punjab School Education Board awards 25 and 15 marks in total marks of Class XII students who bring laurels in the national and state competitions Punjab govt recognised Gatka as a sport in its schools, colleges and universities in 2009 and has been organising Inter-District Gatka tournaments since then Punjabi University, Patiala, has organised All India Inter-University Gatka (men & women) prize money tournaments four times since 2011 Association of Indian Universities included Gatka in 75th National University Sports calendar in 2015-16

The people getting roped into fighting wars will need PHDs in religious philosophy and an extra requirement of rubber brains to navigate the mental gymnastics apne churn out at times to justify certain concepts. Just accept it's okay to want to see your enemy dead. I don't want to hug him or love him. I want his blood, not his friendship. The rest are superfluous concepts too complex for Punjabi minds that have never been adhered to in the cold harsh reality of war, and if true would get good men killed needlessly.

That baseball cap guy on the right reeks of arrogance and with his steely no-blink predatory look. They know how to pose for a photo, I can bet you has the latest i-phone and probably uploads on tik tok

I use to get triggered and upset when my dad use to go off on apne using similar phrases to the one you've used above, lol. Little did I know at the time he was spot-on.

Sometimes you gotta Jhatka.

What about jhatka?

Genghis Khan didn't think like that and was pretty successful.

Too busy jerking off to Moosewala. lol!

And I thought the new laws that farmers are agitating about were exactly about changing this????

What they did for farmers protest aswell as covid India is amazing. They have been subject to cancer hindvasta media trolls. I know the criticism they'd get including myself was to keep Sikhs priority first and and foremost when we've got so many issues and not enough power as others. Farmers protest they'd been at front ends. Seeing hindustas trolls also made me understand why they do what they do not to give into the RSS propaganda that we are made to fight islamists seethes them. Wish they'd be more centred not give into left-right views imo.

Dashmesh Pita ji said jujh ke lado , if someone happens to survive I doubt that they would be able to fight intact (lopped off arm/leg major wounds) and according to that if Akal Purakh has deemed that person life we can't kill that injured person so we can do minimum thing of water . Rest is up to Guru ji Soldiers felled are meant to either be dead or prisoners nothing more or less

Where have I argued any differently? I've suggested a soldier does the job definitively so that his enemy can't be nursed back to health by a religious do-gooder. If someone wants to enter God's Abode, I'd argue the battlefield is the last place to virtue signal. It shows a distinct lack of concern for one's fellow brothers in arms. It's actually incredibly short sighted and selfish. I'm beginning to suspect these tales have been constructed by people who've never had to fight in their lives, because only such people could ever completely ignore the reality of war. For one moment, imagine trying to emulate the aforementioned example during the siege of the Golden Temple in June 84. What would you imagine Sant Jarnail's Singh's reaction would be if a young Singh helps an Indian soldier back on to his feet after another Singh had done his best to finish the job during that hellish siege? If your reply is anything other than, "annoyed" then you've been seduced by the Hollywood-isation of reality. Imagine actually practising in REAL-LIFE what we're told is a virtue that must be adhered to if we're "true" Sikhs. Mind-boggling.

not many but being blind angry cripples you as a fighter , and that is why ALL martial arts teach people to center themselves and fight from a thinking stance not allowing rage/haumai to creep in . Been in plenty of mulitiple on one fights as a youngster and being cool headed and somewhat detached gave me space to think and work my side better.

when you are on war footing you protect yourself and your own unless you're a total mental case , and a proper warrior is not driven by anger/wrath because it makes you careless and vulnerable to manipulation; that's why being nirbhau nirvair mentality releases you from that trap. You have a duty on the field and in daily life and the two need you to be unwavering in your aim ; I believe that the code of conduct that Dashmesh Pita ji gave us for the battlefield is the best ; do not attack the surrendered, the ones fleeing the field, the women/children/elderly i.e. be a honourable person. Meet the enemy and fight to the best of your ability , prisoners that are taken should be treated well .(was done in both world wars by apnay for POWs who have commented on the strange turbanned men who shared their rations and did not beat or torture them)

Waheguru

https://euobserver.com/migration/152333 The exploited Sikh labourers babysitting Italy's buffalos Buffalos grazing on the Pontine plain, south of Rome - their cheese retails at €15-per-kilo, but the workers caring for them are lucky to make €400 a month (Photo: Silvia Marchetti) By SILVIA MARCHETTI ROME, 5. JUL, 07:14 If you happen to visit the Pontine plain south of Rome, you'll likely see long-bearded Sikh rural migrant workers with red turbans tending buffalos and picking melons, aubergines and kiwis. Roughly 30,000 Indian and Pakistani immigrants live in the province of Latina, the second-largest Sikh cluster in Italy. Indian rural migrant workers on the Pontine plain. In each stable, there are at least two Sikh workers. Regular workers get paid €9 gross per hour - but over 70 percent don't have a job contract and are illegal migrants, getting paid €2-€3 per hour (Photo: Marco Omizzolo) Singh is a popular surname in the area - half work in the fertile fields and in local dairy farms to make mozzarella di bufala - premium mozzarella cheese with buffalo milk. It's a very niche product, tastier than ordinary cow's milk mozzarella, and more expensive. Mozzarella di bufala is a top Made-in-Italy food excellence which boasts Europe's prestigious PDO status. The cost in Italy is roughly €15-per-kilo. The mozzarella made in the Pontine plain, a former marshland, is part of a consortium of mozzarella-makers stretching all the way to the region of Campania. "They migrant workers are exploited (by landlords and dairy businessmen) like slaves. They work up to 14 hours per day, every single day non-stop without any leave time, for barely €400 per month. When they get harmed doing the job their masters hide these incidents, and often even beat them up. In the last four years, 14 Sikhs have committed suicide", says Marco Omizzolo, sociology professor at Rome's La Sapienza university and associate at the Eurispes think tank. Omizzolo has repeatedly denounced the inhumane working conditions of Sikh farmworkers, giving them legal support and shelter through local humanitarian projects and migrant support centres. Lawsuits "Dozens of lawsuits against labour-abusers are still pending. The 'masters' and the caporali (the middle-men who recruit day labourers) exploit these migrants to produce top Italian goods which are exported and well known in the whole world, made by people who are trapped into slavery and often victims of violence", says Omizzolo. Sikhs look after the grazing buffalos, feed, milk and wash the animals, and clean the stables. They also have a central role in the mozzarella business, as many have been taught how to process the buffalo milk into the delicious cheese. Sikhs are renowned to have skills in looking after buffalos due to their traditional familiarity with cattle back home, says Omizzolo. They have a farming and breeding background which is useful to landowners. Even if they don't worship cows like Hindus, they don't eat meat and nourish a particular respect for all life forms, he explains, especially buffalos on which they have learnt to depend for survival in India. At dawn, Sikh migrants bike to work along dusty narrow country roads and canals. They're also employed behind the counter. Streets in the area are lined with mozzarella and fresh produce stands selling to the public. In each stable there are at least two Sikh workers. Regular workers get paid €9 gross per hour - but over 70 percent don't have a job contract and are illegal migrants, getting paid between €2 and €3 per hour. 16-hour days Life in the dairy farms is tough. Shifts start at 4.30am and run till 9pm, with at least three buffalo-milking sessions a day. "In the dairy factory where I worked we made mozzarella and other cheeses. I had to do everything: milk the buffalos and cows, wash and feed the cattle and their babies. I even gave them medicines. I had a total of 67 animals to tend to each single day", says Gill Singh, 35, from India. "I got paid just €300 per month and lived in a shack attached to the stable. That special buffalo milk has made my master very rich, he goes around in expensive cars while I lived like a slave for three whole years. It was hell, too much work. I was no longer a free man. I often thought of killing myself". Other Sikh labourers have been forced to sleep in caravans without electricity, running water and gas. They're undernourished and often live under threat by their masters. They're forced to work even in the hottest hours of the day, without lunch break, and if they refuse they're immediately replaced by other labourers. Babir Singh says he was often beaten up by a dairy farm owner, and the most he got paid to work 14 hours straight each day for a month was €150. "To eat I often went searching for food in the leftovers he threw to the pigs, hens and in the rubbish. Now, thanks to Omizzolo and the police, I'm a free man but I won't give up my court battle until justice against that landlord is made". Gill and Babir were lucky enough to get away from their hellish job and find more stable and promising occupations in the dairy sector. But many Sikh migrants fail to escape. Mozzarella nightmares Madanjeet Singh, 46 years-old, works at a dairy farm that produces milk, yogurt, mozzarella and other cheeses. He gets paid €350 per month. "I work each single day, even at Christmas and Easter. For three whole years I was stuck here and couldn't go back to India to visit my family. That mozzarella became my nightmares, I hated it so much because it was the symbol of my slavery". Madanjeet works with other two migrants in the same poor conditions, one from Bangladesh and the other from India. "Those mozzarella are made with our blood and sweat. We work without any sort of rights for an Italian master and for 'Made-in-Italy' products". Omizzolo says - compared to a few years ago - the overall situation has perhaps improved a little, with trade unions and police stepping in to help labourers and more formal job contracts. Overall, however, local authorities and courts remain slow in taking action against the abuses.

who was the social worker ?

I agree but I don't think it's been amplified, I think what happened is that we've become aware of it's existence. Previously we'd conceptualise this type of behaviour in people in another way - like the guy's just an a-hole. Now we know that something very deeply psychological is going on. We know it can be societal. We know these people vampire off other people's energies, and are by default malicious and deceptive. We know they struggle with empathy and can do the most damaging things to people for no reason other than some power buzz they get out of it.

Oh gosh. That generation before me, comparing them to today's 'Jajjy B' pendus that immigrate........ like two different communities.

All degh, and NO tegh = no fateh.

plenty of brahmgiani gursikhs killed mughals and dusht on battlefields does this mean we Believe that they are not like Akal Purakh ? Sikhi's concept is that Akal is ALL things: so destroyer AND creator where as Christian concept is God is all things good but all things Bad are of the Devil .... seems that this concept has been overlaid onto our ancestors histories to remove the 'complete/nondual' aspect of sikhi i.e. distort what we are aiming for ..........

I suppose Bhagat Ravidas Ji's heart-wrenching lamentations about caste discrimination (which later became part of Gurbani) were just a figment of his imagination?

What do you propose we view them as when they become the enemy again ONLY because they were nursed back to health by our side? If we keep healing them and they return to reduce our numbers thanks to our demented efforts to please God knows who, what then? It's cloud cuckoo-land. Who fights a war to WIN with such a horribly confused philosophy hanging over their heads? Too late for this now. My cynical self suspects this to be revisionisim to save face or rectify centuries of damaging parchaar that has had the opposite affect of what was intended. NOT ONE giani or kathavachak has EVER contextualised Bhai Kanaiya's escapades on the battlefield by discussing his martial prowess. The sakhi has always been employed as a tool to illustrate compassion and fairness. If we suddenly start hearing about how Bhai Sahib cut off Mughal limbs and heads one moment, and then provided water to dying Mughals a few minutes later, we'll become an even bigger laughing stock than we already are.

I don't think narcissism is on their increase per se I think that narcissism was always there in people and all that has happened is the narcissism is now out in the open. It has been amplified. Similar to how people who become rich become arrogant and obnoxious. Money did not change them, it just exposed them to show they really are. We had social controls in society that shunned narcissist aspects so that it got buried. With social controls now being untangled it is no longer taboo and with social media (instagram and tiktok ) it has upscaled attention seeking and the narcissism. But with a overload of narcissism and attention seeking in society, I think what could happen is: 1. We could see narcissist insensitivity in that we will see people less bothered with the attention seeking 2. A backlash and swing in the pendulum

there has been vaaran /caste since early days of manusmitri and every Brahmin has used it to make themselves useful to invaders as they sold their skills as master manipulators of society else how could handfuls of people control multi millions ?They did it during the islamic invaders reign and then switched when the angrez/portuguese arrived . Guru Sahiban removed the leprosy of vaaran from our consciouness but with the interference of Angrez and their flying monkeys the brahmins they inserted dubious texts into our literature which allowed the poisonous mentality back

we don't live in a vacuum the amount of narcissism is on the increase in ALL societies around the world especially with the curse of social media allowing loudspeakering the same BS that in my childhood was restricted to immediate social contacts .

No one watch this? No one have any opinion on the contents???

The Singh Sabha did not come about in a vacuum. The other two religions of Punjab also attempted to present their beliefs in the light of modern research and in language that the rulers would understand. The Singh Sabha also faced the real possibility that Sikhi would be subsumed into Hinduism.

We all are his sons and daughters. Ain't we all ?