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I never said that. I meant they were the family OF a besharam kanjar, not that they were ALL besharam kanjars. And my use of the phrase isn't limited to some stereotypical loud-mouthed, brash Punjabi family. Like you've pointed out, a family of apparently devout religious types can reveal themselves to be besharam kanjars. The way I use the phrase it's a descriptor of behaviour, not a particular category of person.

They have a moral obligation to police the other police, but instead they form a blue line which makes them all complicit. Good cops would be the most vocal about police brutality, but I hear none.

This one is interesting:

Cool. Thanks for clarifying. Let's not forget that that scumbag pedo, groomer Amere Dhaliwal's grandfather is a pardaan in a Gurdwara no less!!! My mom came from a successful, self made family back home (from her father and his brothers skills and business acumen - she was very proud.....); she once told me explicitly (when I was being wild as a teenager): "Wealthy families get away with stuff and can hide it easily, and other 'respectable' people will play along with it." I've seen this so many times!! Affairs, drug taking, wife beating, gandu shyte and whatnot all whitewashed. I think some of the 'respectable' family kids are straight bored sh1tless and don't get enough stimulus from their conservative upbringing, and then go rogue?

I saw that one over the weekend. Very interesting. Particularly with the light leaving and light coming. Much we do not know. Out of body experience is one common thing that is always mentioned. Also, it can change perspective on many things,particularly how one lives their lives.

You have to get away from the idea of a family of besharam kanjars. 'Respectable' families are in no way immune to producing them. I think the exalted sense of self (haumai) that can come from being from such a background makes many of the offspring think they are above the rest, and not accountable for their actions like the rest of the plebs. I've seen the sons of wealthy, 'respectable' Gurdwara foundation types coked up at parties; looking for hookers and doing all kinds of things. There was one period when I got sick of suddenly running into respectable 'Pinkies' on the streets in the evening with their boyfriends, only for them to spot me and jump behind a car to hide, and their gairSikh boyfriend looking confused. I just usually walked on like I never saw the b1tch. Only to meet them later, looking all wide eyed at me, to see if I saw them or not. lol

I don't think the Jazzy B/Honey Singh generation are remotely interested myself.

Some faces are nondescript and easy to forget. Some stay with you, especially those that have done something shocking or revolting. I think the whole shocking nature of the incident (maybe because the victim is in a high state of alert from potential danger?) causes the event to be burnt into memory.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58883628 Sarah Everard murder: Emma B says Wayne Couzens exposed himself to her Published 1 hour ago Share Related Topics Sarah Everard murder IMAGE SOURCE,GETTY IMAGES Image caption,The radio presenter said she was struck by how "feeble" the Met Police's response was at the time Radio presenter Emma Wilson has said Sarah Everard's murderer Wayne Couzens flashed her and that Met Police officers laughed when she reported it. The Magic FM DJ - who is also known as Emma B - said he exposed himself to her when she walked past an alleyway in Greenwich, south-east London, in 2008. She told BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour she recognised him when she saw his photo in news reports. The Met Police and police watchdog are investigating. Ms Wilson told the programme she was "so very sure" it was him and that it "adds to the clamour of chances there were to stop this man". Couzens - a Met Police officer when he kidnapped, raped and murdered Ms Everard - was given a whole-life term last month. The police watchdog the IOPC is looking into the Met's handling of three other alleged indecent exposure incidents involving Couzens, including one said to have taken place in south London three days before he murdered Ms Everard. Ms Wilson says she knows it was Couzens who exposed himself to her - at the time he was a volunteer officer with Kent Police - as he has a "face that doesn't go anywhere, it stays with you". She explained how she ran into a nearby shop to alert police who then visited her to take a statement. "They were asking me what I could see... he was playing with himself and there were specifics about his state of arousal that they thought were quite amusing. It was really humiliating," Ms Wilson said. "I remember clearly saying to them, 'I really hope this is all he needs to do' and I said that at the time because I was so struck by how feeble their response was." The presenter said the incident was "aggressive, it was purposeful, it was calculated" and that "it wasn't this comic character that we have of this local peeping Tom or the local flasher in the flasher mac". *Wonder what she means exactly, "face that doesn't go anywhere, it stays with you".

All this is our own fault.We are too nice to people thinking that being nice is the right thing to do but we dont undertstand that being nice has resulted in us being taken advantage of. Thats why when i see our people wasting sikh resources on others i want to slap them. They dont understand when sikhs will face poverty none of these people are going to come help us. We are literally at our own and hated from all sides. Fools are wasting away our resources. But no dil saafs will say did guru ji say only help sikhs. Oh man you think those oil rich 2 billion people need your help seriously? I think all these ravi singh types do this stuff because it gains them more popularity helping people who have higher population than it does when they are helping sikhs because we are low in numbers. Man these people are so stupid.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/dudley-man-convicted-after-25m-21810206 Dudley man convicted after £25m money laundering operation busted A company director from Dudley pleaded guilty to entering a money laundering arrangement 2 COMMENTS By Oprah Flash 20:56, 8 OCT 2021 A business owner from Dudley has pleaded guilty to money laundering after a £25million money laundering operation was busted. Following an HMRC investigation, it was discovered that a series of shell companies were posing as legitimate alcohol businesses to launder a huge sum of money. The 'complex' scheme involved the movement of millions of pounds through the bank accounts of the shell firms set up to launder cash. It is believed the laundered money came from the sale of non-duty paid alcohol. Inderjit Paul, 45, of Blakeley Walk, Dudley, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to convert criminal property on July 6, last year at Southwark Crown Court and received a 14-month jail sentence, suspended for 18 months. He was banned from being a company director for five years and ordered to pay £2,000 costs. Avtar Singh Mann, 50, Mandeep Singh Dhillon, 40 and Santokh Singh Bharj, 54, were found guilty in July 2021 of conspiracy to convert criminal property after a four-month trial. Mann and Dhillon were the directors of two cash and carry warehouses in Barking, East London. Mann ran Glenn & Co (Essex) Ltd in River Road and employed Bharj, while Dhillon ran Gardner Shaw C&C Ltd in Thames Road. The court heard that Mann and Bharj moved millions of pounds through the bank accounts of shell companies set up to launder cash. Julie Marsh, Assistant Director, Fraud Investigation Service, HMRC, said: "We uncovered a complex and sophisticated money-laundering scheme, where cash was being moved through a number of shell companies. Money laundering is not a victimless crime. Laundered cash funds other serious crimes that bring harm and misery to communities. "HMRC will investigate anyone suspected of being involved in money laundering and after conviction we’ll pursue the money they owe. We encourage anyone with information about tax fraud or money laundering to report it online or call the Fraud Hotline on 0800 788 887.” Investigators revealed that the shell companies, which claimed to be legitimate alcohol trading businesses, had no facilities to store alcohol and were fronted by people with no experience of the trade. Santokh Singh Bharj, 54 and Mandeep Singh Dhillon, 40 (Image: HMRC) Internet Protocol (IP) addresses used to control the shell companies bank accounts were traced to several locations, including Mann’s Glenn & Co (Essex) Ltd premises, and Bharj and Dhillon’s home addresses. During searches, evidence of the scam, including account books and bank slips, was found at Bharj’s home and at Gardner Shaw C&C, where £300,000 was discovered. More than £198,000 and 26,000 in Euros was found at Mann’s home in Loughton, and £329,000 at Dhillon’s family home in Chislehurst. All the money found during the searches has been seized and forfeiture is being sought by HMRC. Bharj and Dhillon were sentenced to seven years and three months and four years in jail, respectively, at Southwark Crown Court on October 6. Mann will be sentenced at the same court on November 1

You've got to laugh at these UP Muslims saying that the Sikh farmers want Khalistan. It was the UP Muslims who started the demand for Pakistan, Karachi is full of them.

It's just like a dream. Whatever you are thinking about usually ends up in your dreams.

This is the problem with our community. We are just a bunch of villagers. Economies are not run by villages. We should be living in and dominating cities. All major cities in Punjab have a Hindu majority, even our holiest city Amritsar. It's a joke.

Don't know but this video seems interesting

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/mobile-data-under-lens-to-trace-sikh-hakeems-killers-323253 Mobile data under lens to trace Sikh hakeem’s killers Peshawar, October 11 The police have identified 4,000 persons and started scrutinising their mobile data to trace the culprits who had shot dead a well-known Sikh ‘hakeem' here last month. Sardar Satnam Singh (Khalsa) was at his clinic when attackers barged into his cabin and opened fire, killing the 45-year-old instantly on September 30. Four special investigations teams comprising 15 officials are working on the case. They are sharing intelligence, collecting mobile data and questioning suspects, while the fourth team has been assigned the task to arrest suspects from Peshawar. — PTI

Go and build more mosques for them.

Got a few downvotes in this thread when discussing families of besharam kanjars. Probably a besharam kanjar doing the downvoting... ??

They have done as much harm to us as muslims . They are snakes. We are not poisonous people. We can clearly see what they are doing to us. I dont give a damn about hindus. Sikhs first should only be our goal. I hate those sikh women who marry hindu men in punjab. Like wth! Imagine wanting to end sikhi in your bloodline, the same sikhi that gave you so many rights. I just cant. Its all the fault of grandparents generation for not teaching sikhi to their kids. I mean like literally 90% of them dont know anything about sikhi. If we had our own country we would be so much better. Right now we are in deep trouble and some apne are just living in fantasy land smh.

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@proudkaur21 They truly are something else. This farmers protest i think had opened well hopefully many apnye eyes especially those who believed in the 'facade' dharmic brotherhood. Honestly i hate myself being this i dont want to be this poisonous but when i see them social media i cant stop having this deep hatred take over me. They wish us 84 constantly seethe us with things like we need indra ghandi, kps gill they are nasty piece of work. Then they will tell you Sikh Gurus were 'HiNdus' constantly twisting our history That how they win votes in Panjab when they bring their 'sikhs terrorists killed 300000000000 hindus' in 80 90s. Really hurts me why we couldn't get our own country...i dont think it would have been possible with our population being the lowest despite majority Sikh rule. They always had the upper hand economically. Indra favored them brahmina for business deals whilst we are just good beingsoliders for India. My mum told me, that after 84, the hindus in the pind who they'd been friends like family basically would tease them saying things like 'hahah our mother (indra) killed your father (Sant ji) etc They would hand our ladoos and dance. Also most bollywood these Panjabi hindus like kapoors, kumars, etc how they milk our culture and then make films about us being 'funny sardars' esp 80s 90s. There are few that are nice but not enough to make you feel' its only some of them vast majority are not like that dont represent the population'. South indians seem to be nice from my experience, but then again best be cautious. They will be Hindus first. Sikhs were killed in South India during 84. Always be wary. Too bad our patrotic Indian 'Sikhs' will always be sheep. Worst enemy is our own.

Better to have Registry marriage than sully Anand Karaj.

Plus, white dress makes them look darker, so they like the colors.

Some women, from what I've seen, have both. The red dress at the Gurdwara and the white one at the registry. I think it's as simple as you say, dress up and photo ops. Being the centre of attention. Most people don't give this any deep thought. It's just a ceremony that they've witnessed and dreamed about since childhood.

Also to help them healthily conceptualise what they have already experienced or witnessed too.

That's exaggerating. Maybe a large minority, I doubt a majority. Although I have not been much to Punjab in the past 10 years so the current youngsters might be different to the ones I knew CP could be used to educate youngsters on important life lessons that they would otherwise be more likely to learn the hard way though

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Punjabi hindus are so dumb . I used to live in punjab and they would believe in every self styled godman in town as if they were gods lol what a joke. Right now they have this guy called guru ji or something and this guy mixes hindu scriptures and sikh scriptures and just gives lessons on them and these people believe he is some god incarnation. Such weird beliefs.And then our dumb lot will follow and do the same of worshipping these self styled godmen. I have seen some comments from apne on the posts like jai guruji and other nonsense. Why cant our people have any level of sense? Why they always follow the wrong behavior of others? And you are right they wont let us succeed in punjab they are evil af but still punjab is ours I can never imagine punjab in their hands. They dont speak our language follow our culture how can they have our land? Apne who think these people are our brothers are so naive i just cannot. Why are our people so gullible smh. The real punjab is in the villages where sikhs reside not these urban cities . We need to build our villages and also we need to have sikh enclaves so we have sikh majority areas. We can outnumber them if we increase our population like muslims do but no our useless lot are too dumb for it.

Sometimes the next generation is quite sh1tty and not be up to the standards of the family reputation. We assume that reputation gets passed onto the next generation automatically, however the values need to passed down. A lot of the next generation can become quite narcissistic because they benefit from the reputation but not understand that the reputation has to be earned.

You're having a laugh bro. Just because the women in our lives didn't sneak around the pind or, later on, the English streets (?) that doesn't mean women just sit around on their hands.

Our Belief creates our reality. Its true now and after we die( actually we never die since energy changes form, we are shape shifters). Due to the factor of time on earth physical manifestation takes time. Repeated thoughts and focus create reality faster. Since there is only one of us Unity consciousness. Separation is an illusion. After the process called death we first realize we are not the body, next we experience what we hold in our mind (beliefs). At some stage when mind is purged with all the acquired beliefs we proceed to mergence and experience oneness(our true nature)

The person undergoing the experience sees what they want to see; the beliefs and the religious iconography they've been exposed to during their lives is constructed into a narrative by the subconscious to make sense of the experience. Why do you think a Christian undergoing a NDE always sees sights and images that correspond to the European biblical iconography established since the Middle Ages? Why do the occasions on which Jesus is seen during these visions does he resemble a Western European white man instead of the dusky Palestinian-looking feller he was in reality? Why do Hindus not see Muhammed luxuriating in Jannah? Why do Muslims from Saudi Arabia never see the blue-formed Krishna? Apologists say that God "rewards" the person undergoing the NDE with visions of personalities and things they're familiar with even if they're ultimately inaccurate, which also doesn't make sense because it would suggest God panders to our ignorance instead of dispelling it. I mean, I'd imagine a force that exists in the Realm of Truth as Truth itself would wish to dispel untruths, not perpetuate them as a patronising reward for a child of delicate demeanour. One would assume that if there is a TRUE religion (because they ALL can't be true) these NDE experiences would be used by higher powers to convey an objective, non-partisan peek into the afterlife that goes beyond tribal affiliations. But you never hear of such things. So what to believe?

https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/met-police-sergeant-who-dressed-21765672 Met Police sergeant who dressed up as Jimmy Savile for his stag-do escapes punishment Savile’s victims have since reacted in horror to the images, which emerged days after Wayne Couzens was handed a life-long jail sentence for the rape and murder of Sarah Everard By Callum Cuddeford 14:04, 5 OCT 2021 A Metropolitan Police sergeant has escaped punishment after being snapped dressed as paedophile Jimmy Savile on his stag weekend in Tenerife. Sergeant Will Hughes, 32, and at least four other officers caused outrage among the victims of the Top of the Pops presenter after the Met Police let him off scot-free. The photos also include an inspector, two constables, and a sergeant of 18 years experience, according to Mail Online . READ MORE:Sarah Everard: 26 Met Police colleagues of Wayne Couzens also committed sex crimes since 2016 Sgt Hughes is shown in a long blonde wig, Savile’s iconic tracksuit and sunglasses, complete with a big cigar surrounded by colleagues and friends laughing at the stunt. The men reportedly went to the Canary Islands for five days in early September for his stag-do and stayed in Playa de las Americas in south west Tenerife. A Scotland Yard spokesman said the group from Bexley, in South London, would have ‘reflective practice’, rather than face a misconduct hearing. This means the officers will only have to write to their line manager to explain their actions. This falls short of a disciplinary process so they will not be blocked from promotions or job moves. The Daily Mail says one of the more senior officers referred himself to Scotland Yard’s Directorate of Professional Standards after he was approached by the publication, but none of the officers would comment on their actions. Bexley commander Detective Chief Superintendent Trevor Lawry said: "While this took place when the officers were off-duty in another country, as someone who has investigated child abuse for over 20 years, I am extremely disappointed. "This was a grave error of judgement by the officers and they need to consider the significant impact of these actions." Savile’s victims have since reacted in horror to the images, which emerged days after Wayne Couzens was handed a life-long jail sentence for the rape and murder of Sarah Everard. Caroline Moore, 62, still remembers the moment she was kissed by the paedo DJ when she was just a 13-year-old school girl in hospital. She told The Daily Mail : "I think it is absolutely hideous behaviour. I am almost speechless. "It is terrifying that a police officer, and not just one officer but a group of them, would think this was something funny to do. "It is sickeningly creepy given everything else we have seen recently. What was the man thinking? "It is disappointing that this wasn’t enough for a proper disciplinary process and I’m not sure just a slap on the wrists sends the strongest message when the police are desperately trying to restore confidence." Multiple sex abuse allegations emerged against the TV presenter a year after he died in 2011 aged 84. Met Police Sgt Will Hughes dressed up as Jimmy Savile (Image: Supplied)

Anyone read the step-by-step account of how he did it? It was on the BBC news site on Friday. It's chilling reading. The way he just bundled her away and ended her life... for what, though? It can't have been purely sexual, because he has a partner or a wife. Horrific.

Nah, you have to have some strange mindset to want to be some judge and jury on society. Especially knowing full well you are joining an organisation that is now renown for it's institutional racism and corruption. Having to take orders blindly whatever you might feel about things. There's been a few cases of policemen and women being sacked and harassed from the force for highlighting the covering up of pedophilia. Being given that much power is naturally going to attract weirdo, power freaks. They are just getting some exposure now.

Think that's unfair on a good percentage of Police who want to do a good and honest job

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/after-sikh-man-s-killing-community-members-start-moving-out-of-kpk-report-101633177766265.html WORLD NEWS After Sikh man's killing, community members start moving out of KPK: Report The targeted killings of Sikhs in Pakistan's Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KPK) province have increased significantly in the last few years, local media reported. According to a report in The Daily Wattan, the Sikh community in KPK has started migrating to other parts of Pakistan in hope of safety. The latest to be killed was Satnam Singh, a Unani medicine practitioner, who had migrated to KPK's capital Peshawar from Orakzai district hoping for a safe life, the publication reported. The 45-year-old was gunned down at his clinic on Thursday by unidentified men, police said. He was hit by four bullets and died instantly. The killers escaped from the scene. Singh was a well-known member of the Sikh community and ran Dharmandar Pharmacy on Charsadda Road in Peshawar, the capital of KPK. He had lived in the city for the past 20 years. In a message posted on social media late on Thursday, Islamic State-Khorasan claimed responsibility for the killing. The Daily Wattan report claimed that as many as 13 Sikhs have been killed in KPK by terrorists in the last six-seven years. Dr Swaran Singh, former advisor to ex-KPK chief minister Parvez Khan Khattak, was one of them. Charanjit Singh, a prominent Sikh community leader, was killed by unidentified men in 2018, while television anchor Ravinder Singh was killed in the city last year. Due to rising number of such incidents, the families of the minority community have started shifting to Hasanabdal, Lahore, and Nanakna Sahib which have a sizeable Sikh population, reported The Daily Wattan. Islamic State-Khorasan, which is based in Afghanistan, has stepped up attacks in several Afghan cities since the Taliban marched into Kabul on August 15. It claimed the deadly suicide attack at Kabul airport on August 26 that killed nearly 170 Afghans and 13 US military personnel.

Nah, I just think this guy is weird. Threatening suicide no less! What kind of man is that? Not: I'll leave her or I'll divorce her but kill himself. If that's not weird then I don't know what else is. I think the guy has no experiences with women maybe, and perhaps believes in some fantasy scenario when it comes to getting married? Not realising that he'll have to deal with mood swings, periods, extended family issues. Smelling your partners shyte when you go into the loo after them. Female type hormonally driven dramatics. Conflict between your mother and your wife over things men can scarcely grasp. Seeing your missus with no make up, wearing baggy sweat pants. Holding out on sex when he's randy. Then if he has kids, being covered in shyte, nappy changes, sleepless nights filled with crying; a big part of his income going on supporting the missus and kids. Real sh1t like that. I don't think he is mentally mature enough for a relationship myself? You can question a women's antics but that's not going to stop a female being female. If certain behaviour stems from innate, intrinsic biological/evolutionary factors that are outside the realm of logic (as men might know it), it's our job to try and understand it (or be constantly vexed). I'm pretty sure that's one of the (many) messages of CP too. That all being said, it's not like men can't be complete c**ts too. And personally I feel sorry for any women who has to deal with full grown adult man-child, who's been excessively pampered by his momma. This bit is a bit vague, you might have to elaborate?

Their fathers are weak. A lot of bad things are said about patriarchy but having a strong father is very important to a woman. Muslimas definitely have stronger fathers though with black women I cannot answer for.

But they consider themselves to be some of the most street-smart and clued-up people on this planet. They think we're moral degenerates just for existing in the West. Surely they should have some solutions to the predicaments facing them? They get very annoyed when us NRIs offer suggestions for the issues facing them. They say we have no right to interfere in their problems when we're sitting in foreign countries. So why are you getting upset? Let these big-brain Singhs and Kaurs tackle their problems head-on. They've got it all under control.

We're in a lose-lose situation all the time. Our people are being killed on both sides. I'm honestly so done with this.

Read for yourself. There are a few chariters that cover the rural scene. What I find fascinating about most of these is that they are nested within other chariters that have a heavy dose of mythology interweaved within, whereas these ones don't - they are conspicuously grounded in reality. It's like they reflect ground realities as opposed to the 'creative' ones? And I know how sensitive some of you are about your beloved caste, but you can easily identify these chariters because they explicitly have jut or jutti mentioned in the narratives. I think these ones reflect scenarios from villages. Yeah, some people when caught are likely to have been punished (like in the Mirza Sahibaan narratives), but we as a people aren't immune to having cuckolds, and some people are devious enough to get away with their deceptions long term. Remember it wasn't all clean; people 'bought' wives from poorer families back then, polyandry was practiced. Pends might not be the pristine, pure places people imagine. Romantic stories of elicit meetings like Heer Ranjha, Sohni Mehiwal permeated village consciousness. Don't be like a gora imagining the England that never was. When you finished reading those chariters, find Grewal and Habib's Persians Sources of Sikh of Sikh History (it's online and free!), and read the translation of Dabistan which goes back even further. Like I said, human nature is human nature. We haven't changed that much from our ancestors of a few centuries ago.

That's a weird one, because from what I've always seen in my own life, family reputation / standing was paramount and non-negotiable. Everything else came second. You'd have to be mad to get a daughter or sister involved with a family of besharam kanjar.

Downvote I see. Butthurt is Butthurt I guess.

The truth is that plenty of 'respectable' families are full of besharam kanjars, they just hide it really well. They know how to play it off, but underneath their kids get into the same stuff as the rest of them. The other families get dumped on.

1st of off RIP to the farmers that lost thier lives. Hope those politicians get what the deserve Now now Now. To reply back to the Punjabi Hindu bashing on here which quite frankly is slander on the whole HP community(which we dont have to be fair lol)I shall address the issues on this thread In bullet point form as I will end up writing an whole essay lol. 1st off as some of you may or may not know I am from a Hindu Punjabi background but follow Sikhi more closely. I do not consider myself on non sikh. They(HP) dont speak our language follow our culture.? hmmm really? myself parents grandparents, relatives speak Punjabi. I know other Hindu Punjabi's that speak Punjabi . Despite being born and raised in Wolverhampton I speak really good Punjabi . I know some sikhs that cant even understand never mind speak Punjabi and those Sikhs have questioned me why I believe in Sikhsim when I am Hindu LOL. The notion that Punjabi Hindus speak Hindi over Punjabi is false. they maybe some that do i am not denying that but certainly not all of us. Culture wise we follow Punjabi culture . They have done as much harm to us as muslims. No they Indian gov has not Hindu as whole. Many Hindus support justice for 1984 and stand with the farmers. my cousin regularly goes to the rallies in Canada. He posts supportive posts towards the farmers . he has even got called a Khalistani by some good goon in UP. Even Muslims are supportive of Sikhs so lets not hate on them aswell. Punjabi hindus are so dumb . I used to live in punjab and they would believe in every self styled godman in town as if they were gods lol what a joke. allow with the insults man lol. most people across India not just Punjab have a harder life then we so in the west. so any hope they have they latch onto it . these fake godman , baba's know this and exploit these people for their own gain. Hope is such a powerful thing we crave it. My mum told me, that after 84, the hindus in the pind who they'd been friends like family basically would tease them saying things like 'hahah our mother (indra) killed your father (Sant ji) etc They would hand our ladoos and dance. now that just disgraceful. But again not all HP thought that way. many stood by Sikhs from what my mum told me. Indira was a terrorist simple as that. people that call her mother need shooting. I think people in India (not all) to tend to have closed mentality and dont think logically/rationally like we have do in the west hence why things in India seem so uncivil. India isa very nice country with great landscape nature and wildlife. The people of India dont deserve India. I think British Indian's would do justice to India. so to rap this up when i started this post I was really pissed off but towards the end I started to understand some the points made . But the fact is even if the majority of Hindu Punjabi's are closed minded sheep not all them are and if you think that way your just as bad.. Sarbat Da Bhala