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Beadbiyaan have been occurring for 5-6 years but never a beadbi took place in a gurdwara controlled by nihangs. Nihangs need some minor improvement. They shud control our gurdwaras. Dhan Dhan Sarbloh Guru Darbaar!

any person who has been stupid enough to complain about how barbaric and how we should let the authorities deal with justice and punishment I have come back with the point that if you side with the GOI and police then you should be ashamed of yourself because by your words and thought process you would think Baba Deep Singh ji was wrong , Bhai Sukha Singh ji and Bhai Mehtab Singh ji were wrong , even Guru Gobind Singh ji were wrong for killing people who did beadbhi . Also waiting for justice from the people paying for the crimes to be committed is mentally deranged. Good, people are now saying that maybe gurdwarey should be handed back to nihangs/Khalsey at least they are starting to feel something other than the propaganda has merit . over 700 shaheeds on the morcha and no one in India is shouting it from the rafters , one moot peenwala da chamcha dies due his own bad choices and its headline news everywhere , shows where India's intelligence is somewhere in their gittey

They took advantadge of an elderly frail man who was unable to speak and also after the stroke would have found everything overwhelming and distressing due to isolation from friendly family faces and care. Frankly this is elder abuse and should be treated as a case of assault .

why are they all surrendering ? 1. who will be left protecting sangat and Gurudwarey? 2. One nihang has already come forward for the crime it is not like UK where no one can decide who killed the man so all go free of murder because of reasonable doubt this is India and BS justice 3. It emboldened more attacks 4. the younger nihangs will be decimated by this thought process and their knowledge will go with them instead of being used to train next generation

Punjab needs to industrialise as soon as possible. It cannot rely on just farming.

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The last thing that needs to happen in India today is for a Dalit or anyone else of similar status to be killed at the hands of a Sikh. If a vulnerable, desperate person is being paid off by higher powers to instigate bother and strife in order to besmirch Sikhs, the victim is always going to be the poor sod roped into the scheme as a patsy. IF this is a devious plan to smear Sikhs, then the people who organised it have got exactly what they wanted. On the other hand - and I say this with some reservation - the Singhs did what they had to do, and in that junglee country what they did was to send a clear message out to anyone else thinking of doing a similar act. Unfortunately, most of the people of that country understand one particular type of language, and sadly it's the one these Singhs were compelled to speak.

The BJP and indian media are spinning this to be a dalit hate crime....completely ridiculous. The fauja are by and large made up of Mazabi Singhs (Dalits). The fauja don't live in fear of the corrupt law, they answer to a higher authority. They own very little and don't have the same economic considerations when taking these kinds of actions. Another thing, that lakbir mentioned there were a total of 20 of them hired to instigate and cause beadbi, im sure the remaining 19 won't want to carry through now. This beadbi trend is out of control simply beacause we have a huge tolerance level. Why this beadbi doesn't happen at hindu mandirs or at mosques, i wonder? Each time a culprit is caught, he/she happens to have "mental illness". I wonder why. I bet the beadbi inccidents are about to come down now.

100 percent. I was reading about the guy and he was a drug addict whose wife and kids left him years ago. We all know addicts do the dumbest stuff to get their next fix. However, what's interesting is that his sister stated that he used to talk on the phone with "higher ups." There is an outfit funding these events.

What do you guys think will be the future of india in the next few decades? The country is becoming so much worse than before and there is a mass exodus of middle class people. Seems like very bad times are ahead.

Does anyone have the following in Gurmuki and not romanised

I'm starting to wonder whether Nihangs being considered to be an anti-quaited spent force on the periphery of the panth, was somewhat of a blessing in disguise. They've been looked down upon by the... shall we say, the comparably politically astute, established, mainstream jathe of the previous 80 or so years, that maybe their self-imposed aloofness actually kept them in-tune with their authentic past to a certain degree. We'll see.

I think they had little option but to surrender given hardly anyone is coming out in solid support, all groups seem to be soft-peddling around. Without wanting to dimish their service, I think the nihangs shouldn't have individualized the act, they should have let it be a mob act ( I believe they have a similar law like the one you mentioned for UK). It's a sad repeat of Jan.26th aftermath when Deep Sidhu and Lakha were made scapegoats. These kisan leaders are true to their commrade roots and never stand with the panth when it matters.

Unfortunate. Sukh Niddan is also preferable to that. Nothing substitutes Naam, but for people who are falling? Better to fall into a hemp plant.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-58671056 Leicester woman who turned to alcohol after sex abuse felt silenced By Alex Regan BBC News Published 1 hour ago Share IMAGE SOURCE,AUNEE BHOGAITA Image caption,Aunee Bhogaita says there is a stigma attached to addiction A child sex abuse survivor has told how she felt silenced about her ordeal and turned to alcohol to cope. Aunee Bhogaita, from Leicester, entered rehab for alcoholism last year, but said she felt her addiction was ignored by friends and family for years. She said: "In the Asian community, we have the need to present ourselves as this picture perfect image." Sikh Recovery Network, an addiction recovery charity, said it saw a 40% rise in calls during the pandemic. 'Numb myself' Ms Bhogaita said she was sexually abused as a child and felt "more or less silenced". "I never really got a chance to heal from that," she said. She became an alcoholic at the age of 24. "I was always trying to be someone other people wanted me to be," she said. "I wanted something to numb myself from myself, and I chose alcohol. "I was drinking previously but at the age of 24 I started to abuse alcohol; I started using it as a self-medicating thing." Pandemic drinking linked to depression rise 'Fix room' campaigner relapsed after 11 years Call to ease Covid rules at NI addiction centres Ms Bhogaita, 37, is now in recovery after a medical detox and a four-month stay in rehab. She said: "Within the Asian community... we have the need to present ourselves as this picture perfect image. Because of that we often silence people. "Within my own family, at first, there was shame [about my addiction]. "But it got to the point that they realised that I was dying. "Once they realised the reality of the situation, all that worry of the shame went out the window." In 2020 Ms Bhogaita's mother contacted the Sikh Recovery Network, a charity which provides addicts with information on where to receive help or treatment for alcohol and drug dependency. IMAGE SOURCE,JAZ RAI Image caption,Jaz Rai says he fears women with addictions are suffering in silence The charity said there had been a significant rise in the number of people who have called the service, but there are fears women continue to be under-represented. The charity's founder Jaz Rai said only 10% of the calls received to the network were from women struggling with addiction. He said: "I think more women are definitely suffering in silence, and are afraid to reach out for help. "People who are already in toxic relationships, and for whom drink was their crutch, they've relied on it more, because they're not able to break free from that relationship or talk to anyone about it." If you or someone you know have been affected by any of the issues raised in this article, support and information is available on BBC Action Line.

No kidding bro. Any future potential jobers are going to instictly rub their wrists in the future.

New-build UK houses are a disgrace. The ones built after 2005 are shocking. I was decorating a new-build last year. When I finished the skirting, one of my legs had gone to sleep, and I used my elbow to leverage my body so I could stand up. My elbow went through the wall, lol. It was literally cardboard. The repair was perfect, but still.

same when my fuffar visited he started telling us how his house is bigger than ours, he pointed to the end of our garden and said his house goes all the way up to there ? once all my massis daughters from canada visited and one of their sons was like your house is so small, and my cousin sister from here was like at least the roofs don't blow of when theres a storm outside ? my cousin sister recently visited from canada and she said how her brother has anger problems and he punches the walls, but she was like if he punches a wall of these british houses he would break his hand. there houses are like cardboard lol

This has been going on for decades, this is nothing new. The only difference is that social media is showing it out in the open.

A guy named Kamalpreet who is known on social media for making videos. He is also the one who spoke so much against the vaccine that many actually believed him. Sadly, there are many Gurmukhs who attended his marriage are now in ICU and fighting for their life. One of them is known Gurmukh and dynamic force behind Gurmat Bibek is now on ventilator. Few dozen including kids got Covid from that event. please do ardas for bhai kulbir singh ji of Gurmat Bibek. ??

What you're talking about there is as fine as a c**t hair. It's probably impossible to do the latter without some of the former. People exploit all moves.

Whether they can reach a compromise between realising they're being played into acting out and not compromising on inspiring fear in non-Sikh groups who feel its open season on us.

I think this is GREAT myself!! Some retards within our quom might actually wake up to global realities from it??? Might make certain pendus break their mental dependency on other cultures? (I can wish).

We'll see what? Just how buck-wild they will get, push comes to shove? lol

Ditto. Well said.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/second-nihang-member-arrested-in-gruesome-killing-at-farmers-protest-near-delhi-2577586 2 More 'Nihangs' Surrender Over Gruesome Killing At Farmers' Protest Saravjit Singh surrendered to police and claimed responsibility for killing of 35-year-old Dalit Lakhbir Singh. Two more Nihangs surrendered later All IndiaReported by Mohammad Ghazali, Edited by Chandrashekar SrinivasanUpdated: October 16, 2021 11:12 pm IST Two more Nihangs -- Bhagwant Singh (L) and Govind Singh (R) -- surrendered to police. 38 Chandigarh: Two more Nihangs - 'warrior' Sikhs - have surrendered to the police in connection with the gruesome murder of a Dalit labourer at a farmers' protest site in Singhu on Friday. One surrendered this morning and another was arrested, taking the total number of accused in the case to four. The two who surrendered last evening have been identified as Bhagwant Singh and Govind Singh. Visuals showed the two men - with garlands around their necks - walking as supporters cheered them. On Friday evening Saravjit Singh - a Nihang - surrendered to Haryana Police and claimed responsibility for the sickening killing of 35-year-old Dalit labourer Lakhbir Singh, who was found tied to a police barricade at Singhu with his left hand and right leg cut off. Singh was produced at a local court on Saturday and sent to seven days' police custody; authorities asked for 14 days', saying he had info on other suspects and that they had to recover the murder weapons. In a video that emerged on Saturday the Nihang member has claimed "no regrets" over the killing. The video - from before his surrender - shows him tightly flanked by other Nihangs - at least two of whom still carried swords - as a reporter asks: "Do you feel repentance?" To this Singh looks disinterested, waves the question away and shakes his head, and replies "No". The body of Lakhbir Singh, 35 years old and from Punjab's Tarn Taran district, was discovered early yesterday morning. It was found tied to a police barricade with the left hand and right foot cut off. As news of the brutal and sickening murder spread, at least three videos were circulated, showing a large group of Nihangs, standing around his body as lay bleeding and in pain.

I posted in the wrong thread, sorry !

Cases like this would benefit greatly from Sukh Niddan versus alcohol. Poor thing. Everybody has been so damaged by this kalyug.

Not the exactly what I Am looking for but thanks

So, did you ?! ? Just for you and @GurjantGnostic

Nothing surprising there. Central and Eastern India have always been dirt poor - Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Odisha.

Tie your dastar or small keski around your waist, like a kamar kassa then put your kanga in it. Best to tuck kirpan into keski as well to stop it from dangling around. Putting kanga into gatra will make it much more prone to dropping. If you tie a keski around your waist and put kanga and kirpan in it, there will be a much less chance of beadbi

Amen to that bro. I bet 19 people just noped right out of that put up job.

Interesting. Sant Jairnail Singh Bhinderwale Shaheed Ji got people off afeem and they use it as a way to stoke violence and get some junkie wrecked.

We can pretty much know with certainty which two parts of that man were used to strike Maharaja. Let's see...left hand...and uh...right foot. Naughty naughty. And if this wasn't like Lahkbir, who turned him into a crash test dummy?

No surprise there. Indian media is also painting this out to be a Dalit hate crime.

I'm confused. Is this a farmer protest issue or a Guru Sahib desecration problem?

damn even pakistan is ahead wow.

Tie it with your gatra. i have a string attached to the kanga which is use to tie to the gatra. I wash my kesh separately from regular ishnan. so when i wash my kesh i tie my gatra around my chest.

It's a fine line, especially if the person espousing certain ideals is clearly pushing erroneous narratives, BUT this Singh seems to be on the right lines. Can't say I'm a fan of bhangra or any overt displays of Punjabi-ness, lol, but I understand I'm in a minority. Clever guy tied in bhangra with chardhi-kala. Of course, there's Gurbani that can completely destroy his argument, but for the mainstream normie it does more good for the image and awareness of Sikhi than it does otherwise. Just my opinion.

Sikhs in countries like Canada and US can easily do this because of pro shastar/ashtar laws out there.

Then they charge extortionate prices to buy these places.

Size is all they have. Not much else they have.

oh ya years ago we had family over from Canada staying with few days and they couldn't stop taking the pi## at the way UK was how small our house was lol ...and we live decent semi-attached house They live in these huge farm house, with acres of land, factories ..

People are free to do what they want but when women begin to copy men too much a society usually breaks down, leading to higher divorce rates and lower birth rates.

try suggesting tarkhans in the pind to marry their daughters to chamars and see what their reaction is LOL it aint gnna be a pleasant one i tell you that, they definitely wont be making you the bachola her in laws playing a role in the murder was one of the main theories. Having your daughter-inlaw run away with another man to sing on stage that too with a chamar aint considered some small thing in Punjab lol especially punjab in the 80s/90s the amount of shame they faced must of been and probably still is unbearable. And from what iv heard her inlaws were quite influential which would of made it even worse for them. As for other singers getting to kill him. Competition was a big thing. One of his biggest rivals was mohd sadiq and ranjit kaur who by that time were much older but still popular in the 80s. Ranjit kaur had apparently lost her voice, which she did, becoz some1 spiked her drink and it messed her throat up and she could no longer sing mohd sadiq eventually dumped her. Stuff like this was quite common among singers. Singer used to get booked, chamkila was the most booked singer in punjab at the time. Most others singers were pretty much out of work because of him. Punjab in the 70s/80s was very feudal like A lot of these singers were involved in performing for policemen and politicians aswell. Things used to get political. Singers were used at political rallies depending on the police officers present in the audience and the party they supported . The stage was used for all sorts of things

Why would a Sikh who is either born in or well-settled in the UK want to go the EU?? Who cares about the EU? Is it so you can visit religious symbol banning France without a passport? Or a Germany influenced by the AfD, where we'll come under an anti-Muslim backlash? What's the point? Forget the EU, you can visit hundreds of countries visa-free regardless of whether the UK is part of EU or not.

Since the Brexit referendum there has been a net migration from the EU by 124K according to official figures. There is going to be very little migration by Pro -EU Sikhs from UK into the EU. Reality is that the UK is the go to destination for Sikhs who first go into the EU and become pakkeh. And the pro-EU Sikhs who may go into the EU will make their way back to the UK. Reality is that Europe has far less opportunities and has far more discrimination than the UK.