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Interesting. What are you referring to ?

Only in countries where a death leads to a big lawsuit and settlement. Otherwise. I don't see them accomplishing too much.

That's pretty low class to not pay that money. What's even more low class is having 400 million dollars worth of Persian artifacts and not giving them those back either. 99 percent of which are not even shown in a museum.

Don't know how much the British can negotiate "be a lot tougher with Iran on using innocent people as hostages", when they owe £400 million to them ! ??

Don't think it was successful for Bapu Surat Singh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surat_Singh_Khalsa On 11 February 2015, Surat Singh Khalsa wrote an open letter to Prime Minister Narendra Modi[4] explaining the motive of his hunger strike. In his letter, Surat Singh Khalsa summed up his demands in two points Treat all Sikh prisoners –under trials and those sentenced in cases relating to the Sikh struggle- as political prisoners and Release all prisoners who have completed their full jail terms and are legitimately due for release, exactly in the same manner, as other prisoners are so released in various other parts of the country. A number of Sikh Political Prisoners are languishing in jails despite having completed their sentences. Many of these prisoners are released on parole on yearly basis. These prisoners can be granted permanent parole or be released on bail as there are no pending charges against them. In addition, Surat Singh Khalsa is seeking release of senior citizens based on humanitarian grounds. There are at least 8 such prisoners who have been sentenced under the Terrorist and Disruptive Activities (Prevention) Act for their involvement in a bank robbery case that took place in Ludhiana.[5] This law has already lapsed and has been deemed as controversial by human rights organizations, as well as the United Nations.[6]

Do Hunger strikes work? Are they effective?

We Sikhs will continue fighting each other over the small differences we have, and still learn nothing about our position in the world.

You really don't have a clue apart from the tedious Jats bad non-Jats good narrative. Everything bad that these non-Jats do is directly a result of what the Jats do to them. Apparently these non-Jats are just like children, they have no agency of their own and they are not responsible for their actions.

Founder couldn’t get a job because of his Khalsa dress so yogi bhajan told him to open his own company. He did that and opened akal security. This company got some big fat govt contract as well.

You've already got a new Guru. He's called Moosewala. lol All you talk is bull5hit to try and excuse the inexcusable away.

Hmm, what a hypocrite. This post below from http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?27705-Abrar-ul-Haq-Billo-de-Ghar-controversy (I remember reading more about this controversy over 10 years ago, but not much comes up on google anymore) Basically, this famous Pakistani Punjabi singer changed the name of the female subject of his song to a non-Muslim ('Hindu'/'Sikh') name . ‎His debut single, Billo De Ghar, ‎erupted great controversy and gathered much debate.‎ Billo is a fairly common female nickname among predominantly Muslim Punjabis of Pakistan. First line of the song, Assan Tay Jaana ‎Billo De Ghar, Kinnay Kinnay Jaana Billo De Ghar (Punjabi: We will go to Billo's ‎home, who else will go to Billo's home), was used as tease by street bullies for Billo ‎named young-adult females. This caused a fierce reaction from the families of female ‎victims, often resulting in physical fights. In order to avoid any more of such situations in ‎his another single, Preeto, Abrar used a non-Muslim female nickname Preeto. This name is almost extinct in Pakistan. So, the Pakistani Muslims won't accept their own girls being treated in such a way, but happy for non-Muslims to be so.

Comparing ourselves to Jews is just dumb, the only thing we share is low numbers, but they have multiple advantages theologically with the West, that we don’t have.

We seem to lack wisdom and foresight, and prefer quick reactionary actions and then continue dealing with the ensuing mess for the better part of a generation. Our lot were both fighting aganist the british and for the british with no idea of what the hell the outcome is going to be. But fight we must, lol. Same with every other hot topic that comes up. We quickly feel the need to fall into a camp and pursue it with unnecessary passion.

I think this recent rebranding of Vaiskahi and Diwali, and the cutting out of poornmashi and sangrand, is showing more of our own insecurities. The Panth has worked fine using the original names, while celebrating it in our own way. Think about it, no one does Vaisakhi at Anandpur sahib like the Sikhs. And nobody does Diwali at Amritsar like the Sikhs. We rightfully "steal the thunder"! It presents an easy bridge for Hindus to cross into the Panth. Diwali and Vaisakhi are about 6 months apart and were understood to be the largest gathering points of the year even during Guru Ji’s time. These dates and events were used to take ownership of the vast heritage of Bharat. Guru sahibaan could have used Eid too, but they didn’t. Vaisakhi and Diwali shows we have a rightful claim to Bharat, including all its history. Sadly today our intellectuals are busy cutting all ties to our dharmic roots in complete contrast to the way this faith was practiced and envisioned by Guru sahibaan themselves. We are going to end up with nothing going down this lane. The sanatans are going to brand us as foreigners in our own land.

You know what, I just kept watching that video in utter horror hoping there is some safety custom that is going to protect that little child from the old pedo rapist. How the hell does that father keep living after willingly handing over his little girl? How is their society still functioning with such evil?

I think the challenge is that the word Khalistan has been dragged through the mud by the government mouthpiece media in India. Say “Khalistan” and the brain registers anti-India, anti-Hindu, pro-Pakistan and pro-Muslim. We need to dissociate this imagery. There are plenty of other nations within South Asia that exist perfectly well and our land should be seen the same. For example, Hindus don’t hate Nepal for being an independent Hindu-majority nation right along its northern border, where it could very well fit into the Indian republic. We need to covey to Hindu India that we don’t hate them, we don’t hate India, and wish them no harm. We want to exit independently as equal neighbours just like their other neighbours (apart from Pakistan, obviously!). We also need to somehow convince our Punjabi Hindus that their prosperity and security will not deteriorate in an independent Punjab/Khalistan. It’s tough, but it needs to be done. Lastly, I think it’s a big mistake to align with Pakistan, even at a superficial level.

I am confused about your opinion. Do you think India will take notice and oppress Indian sikhs, or they won't take much notice?

Is this a clever way of saying: "Yeah it was yanked off his head and thrown on the floor, but not stamped on."? WMP have a LONG history of antiSikh activity, longer than a lot of you reading this have lived.

And the white nations are getting a massive fortune for this too. Look at how many top level properties, football teams, stadiums etc. are funded or owned by sullay. Oil dependency. You'd be shocked at how many major construction projects in London are funded by sullay sources. Look at the luxury goods market - whose buying lots of european supercars, jewellery and expensive watches. In a culture where wealth is considered the ultimate God, this stuff is only going to increase. The effects on people like us are collateral and of no significance to the rest of the country. Hell, they'd LOVE to see sullay and Sikhs kick off and buss out the popcorn. And I guarantee if that happened, no matter what the provocation to Sikhs, they'll be portraying us as the problem.

I said a few years ago that the rise of Musleh in the bureaucratic machinery of western nations including law enforcement, judiciary, and related areas is going to prove to be a problem for Sikhs. You do not let these types of people exert power over you, because they will abuse it.

Nice topic. I’m a fan of urbanization, so I would envision a scenario where the diaspora doesn’t head back to their villages (the ones that came from pinds). I like Ludhiana because of its centrality in Punjab (even though the air and water pollution is off the charts!). More likely the diaspora would settle the outskirts of Chandigarh in the Punjab portion (towns like Mohali and New Chandigarh) because of the cleaner air and proximity to the shivalik hills. But for my scenario I am going with Ludhiana. Ludhiana city is 66% Hindu and 29% Sikh with a population of 1.9 million (2021 estimate). It would require all 2 million diaspora sikhs to be stuffed in there to raise our percentage to 65 %. If we were to take the higher estimate of a 3 million diaspora, and all settled in Ludhiana, our percentage would be 71%. All 3 million diaspora would raise Punjab’s Sikh percentage from 57% to 62%. Just shows how little our raw numbers add up back home within our own state, forget about India as a whole. Our strength lies in our prosperity outside of India. Within India 2-3 million barely registers. I mean there are 25 million babies born per year in India! But even with the minor percent rise, our economic strength would be the real game changer as @proactive pointed out. We could shift the economic power into Sikh hands within some Punjabi cities, while the rural is already in the basket.

Sorry for your loss my friend. You’re still at a decent age to get remarried and have children. It’s only going to feel lonelier as the years roll on. Having children keeps people on track, motivated to keep working, and keeps one busy. You’ll feel a purpose to keep going in the face of inner demons dragging you down. Just some advice. You know yourself better than anyone, so make your decisions for yourself brother. If you still need time for healing for moving forward, I think that’s fine. But reality is going to remain the same, the sooner you catch up, the better for you.

The very last pangti really hits me when I read the hukamnama, brother. Use your wisdom to decide. Can you easily fix this house issue if it does need to be fixed? Are you gambling by "hoping" nothing goes wrong? Don't gamble if your intuition says no, because if you sincerely believe in Guruji, your intuition is a great way of knowing what you should be doing.

Yeah brother! Punjab has a base for industry that needs to be grown, modernized, and supported by Punjabis themselves. The vision should be, we need this and that tool....lets make it! We need this or that farm machine....lets make it! We need this or that parts...lets make them here! You already have towns like Mandi Gobindgarh and Bassi Pathana with strong industrial metal working and parts manufacturing, and cities like Ludhiana. What's missing is a sense of hope, a will to make it happen, a vision of success..yadda yadda yadda.

Creating a network across punjab of these village cooperatives would help us farm crops we can market to our state first and foremost, and then look at national and international market conditions to see what could be grown for particular time frames. Sharing Punjab wide data it's possible to create non-binding agreements of zones for growing certain crops. This prevents exploitation of our resources and prevents glut. If we continue to blindly grow rice and wheat when India has a surplus, then you know what is eventually going to happen. Never a good idea to have all your eggs in a two crop system, especially a system that has depleted the ground water to a depth that will not replenish, and what water is in the ground is unfit for drinking, hence the malwa cancer epidemic.

Addding on to what I said earlier, transitioning out of agriculture isn’t going to shut down agriculture. You can manage the same level of farming in Punjab with 1/100 the current number of people directly engaged in it, especially with modern technology. Villages can create cooperative farming lease agreements and continue ownership while living in the city. I know my farming community, there is no way in hell they will part with their ancestral land. Keeping ownership and as a partial income source without actually farming it will be the best-case scenario. I’m unsure what the average acreage of a Punjab village is, my guess would be around 500 acres. But imagine having farming scale at this level. It would be much easier to diversify, cut down on input costs, build storage facilities so they aren’t dependent on mandis, and even direct marketing.

I think they had little option but to surrender given hardly anyone is coming out in solid support, all groups seem to be soft-peddling around. Without wanting to dimish their service, I think the nihangs shouldn't have individualized the act, they should have let it be a mob act ( I believe they have a similar law like the one you mentioned for UK). It's a sad repeat of Jan.26th aftermath when Deep Sidhu and Lakha were made scapegoats. These kisan leaders are true to their commrade roots and never stand with the panth when it matters.

Very humbling observation brother. I appreciate your perspective.

Amen to all that bro. Amen to that too. Amen to that too. And, those Gurudwara are also run by money and democracy. Reiterate @dallysingh101 we have to start parallel ground level movements. I would add to that, do away with voting and institute representative selections and Panj Pyare, and demonitize as much of the Panth as we can, and instead deal in Seva. We only need so many buildings, and we could substitute rural land holdings for half the ones we do have already. The buildings only have to be so nice. And Langar only costs so much. It should not take much money to run a Gurudwara, and even when dealing in less cash than now, we should be able to use that smaller amount of money and still afford to pay Granthis and others for their fulltime services. Bungas basically pay for themselves, since people have to pay rent somewhere anyway. What's more important is what we can provide for each other through collaboration. Secondary to all that is what we can do for the world, life itself, others. We cannot draw a circle around ourselves, nor can we bend over backwards serving others while we ignore our own house.

Very nice

Bro. Since I have you here. Check out this 10 dollar japanese saw I got at the hardware store. Khanda shape. Cuts on the draw not push. Has finer teeth on one side and rougher on the other.

Parchaar is not about "converting" pursue. Its about rasing awareness of the Gurus message. If people choose to convert thats completley up to them. But we should always be ready to raise awarness about Sikhi which can be done alongside sikh events. In Sikhi we dont have this notion that somone can only be saved through Sikh religion.

Nicely put. ?

Hi veerji

So sad to hear this. May Vaheguru bless the soul.???

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It does make you wonder about the vision of our straight forward thinkers back in Punjab when they try to prune off every branch and stem of Sikhi, when in reality the masses are after the mystical spiritual escapes for their worldly troubles, for which, ironically, Sikhi presents a mix of spiritual and real world solution to. The Christians get it. They have revved up their game in this sphere; they’re offering miracles at your local pind church, which in some cases our short-sighted goodhearted fools have helped build, or at least refrained from objecting, not realizing this real-estate business is only going to grow and spread. Not hard to buy land and prop up a church or mosque if the locals aren’t objecting. There's no big requirement like langar, palki, and the whole works, just an empty square room will do. While hordes of poor sections of society head towards peers and the like for miracles, our guys are busy bringing down the spiritual authority of the Guru. Coming to our Hindutva elder brothers, they’ve mastered their craft with previous trials and successes. There was a wonderful article on the Caravan news site that touches on this. It’s interesting to read how the founders of modern Hindutva like Sarvakar viewed us, and what drives their strategy for the Sikh Solution (it’s my own term btw, not in the article). https://caravanmagazine.in/religion/rss-threat-sikh-assertion-farmer-protests-savarkar-golwalkar The strategy is multipronged. Two aspects I’ve picked up on: Repeat unsubstantiated fabricated stories that at the very least will create a lingering suspicion in impressionable minds ( they love doing this especially with Guru Teg Bahadur Ji, and Banda Singh Bahadur). Retell slightly tilted versions of our well understand history to create trust in our ranks while simultaneously steering the narrative.

the great reset there will be no ownership and you will be happy or if you are part of the 500 million dead.

I was recently at a Sikh event. Where I handed out some basic of Sikhi leaflets afterwards that I had on me. Most people were more then happy to take the leaflets. I even had a good chat with a white gentlemen. Who was knowledgeable about Sikhism and Sikhs. Apart from one ignorant black American Christian woman. Who approached me and said some abnocious things. She first asked me what Sikhs believe in. I said I have limited knowledge and she should go on the basic of Sikhi website to find out more. I was not there to preach or teach as that is something that a qualified person can do. Hence I was just handing out the leaflets. So even though I had a lot of knowledge I did not think it was worth it and was something that basics of Sikhi parchaar team can do. Anyways after she inquired more and seemed quite interested and wanted to know more. I said Sikhs believe we all believe in the same God. But we just have a different way of praying. I said Sikhs believe all faiths lead to God. She then said. One faith has to be right. They can't all be? She seemed aware of belief that many Sikhs hold that all paths lead to God. I was not really out there to get into some long debate. As I was just handing leaflets out as a bit of seva. I then said Sikhs don't believe in converting. This leaflet is just about explaining Sikh beliefs and raising awareness of Sikhs ect. I said Sikhs believe their religion is true and we should let all people believe in what they like and not be discriminated against. To which she seemed to agree. She then finished off by saying Christianity is the only true religion and can only lead God. I just said okay if that is your opinion and laughed at her comment in a sarcastic way. I did not bother to reply to what she said or argue. As people like this are not worth engaging in conversation with. But now I think maybe I should of said something back. She did take the leaflet though and said she would have a read. I was taken aback however with what she said. Was not expecting someone to come out with that and say such extreme things over a leaflet. It seemed like she was insecure and needed to reaafirm her beliefs.

Truesay. I did try to handle it as best as I could even though she came out with her BS. I could have easily have refuted her statements.But the thing is I did not go to argue and try and disprove other faiths. That is something that we don't really do. It's more about focusing on the good aspects of Sikhi and raising awareness of the faith. But she took it as if I am trying to convert others which is wrong. Sikhism is only about teaching. If people want to convert off their own volition that is up to them. But it's comments like hers that just p1ss you off. I do feel a bit guilty as now I feel I should have said something back instead of just brushing of her comment. I should have really confronted her and told her that is narrow minded ignorant belief she has. She was a little specky woman that obviously come from the black Americanised christian denominations.

Yep that was her intention. To undermine other faiths and say that Chrsitians believe theirs is the only way. While at the same time trying to say all other faiths are wrong. Chrsitians are taught that theirs is the only way to salvation ect. She came across as though she was almost upset that Sikhs were handing out leaflets. As though that is something christians only have a right to do and Sikhs should not do it.I think she so it as a threat against her own faith. She was suprised to see a Sikh leaflet as that is something that we never do. I regret not saying anything back to point out issues with her own faith. But As Sikhs that is something we are taught not to do. Also I should not have said all faiths lead to God? As makes out Sikhs believe in everthing and anything.