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This seems to be getting worse with the passage of time. It's absolutely shameful. A complete lack of respect. They treat the gurdwara like a glorified community centre.

Two more things I'd like to mention: It is not prohibited to work with or support kings for certain purposes. Our Gurus did this, for example Guru Gobind Singh ji with Bahadur Shah. Secondly, some (not all) of the people who think they're hot stuff because they are opposing a monarch are the very same ones who will suck up to a President, a Prime Minister, or some pop singer. So they are hardly principled republicans or egalitarians.

One thing I'll praise the Firangis for is, they do respect and adore their sovereign. The question for us fools is how much we respect and adore our sovereign, King of the Sachi Sarkar (true government), Guru Granth Sahib ji? ਖੰਭ ਵਿਕਾਂਦੜੇ ਜੇ ਲਹਾਂ ਘਿੰਨਾ ਸਾਵੀ ਤੋਲਿ ॥ If I could find the wings on sale, I would buy them for an equal weight of my flesh. ਤੰਨਿ ਜੜਾਂਈ ਆਪਣੈ ਲਹਾਂ ਸੁ ਸਜਣੁ ਟੋਲਿ ॥੨੧॥ Them, I would attach to my body and search for and find that Friend of mine. ਸਜਣੁ ਸਚਾ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੁ ਸਿਰਿ ਸਾਹਾਂ ਦੈ ਸਾਹੁ ॥ The Friend is the True Monarch. He is the King over the heads of Kings. ਜਿਸੁ ਪਾਸਿ ਬਹਿਠਿਆ ਸੋਹੀਐ ਸਭਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਵੇਸਾਹੁ ॥੨੨॥ Sitting by whose side one looks beauteous and who is the support of all. p1425 The code of conduct in a Darbar (court) of Guru ji is as that of a worldly king. Yet we see Sikhs chatting away, utterly disrespecting our Guru. If Guru Granth Sahib ji is the Jagat Guru and the King of Kings, as the Sikhs claim, then why don't they accord Guru ji the commensurate respect?

It depends on what you're asking. The recommended lifestyle is to go to sleep when dark, wake up early, do Ishnan, do Amrit Vela, and stay awake the rest of the day. If you can't do that (because of job schedules), then you simply have to make do. When you stay up, you don't generally do Ishnaan, you don't get the same feeling of getting up to worship. Again, remembering God is always a good thing, never a bad thing. The point is simply that following the recommended lifestyle has benefits.

Sleep is something that every body needs in order to refresh the physical systems of the body. If you have the power of naam, that can rejuvenate you and you simply don't need to sleep much: ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਦਾ ਸਦ ਜਾਗਤ ॥ (Sukhmani Sahib) But it should be clarified that this is only a very few people. The vast majority of people need a normal amount of sleep (which doesn't have be 8 hours).

That's not due to grooming, its their own choice and from what I've seen it's more Gujarati girls marrying apne.

So a South American mestizo attacks a Sikh priest. I've visited Los Angeles and New York and saw how racist and rude the Mexicans, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans were.

are you quite sure , because its amazing how many apnay are marrying gujus and panjabi hindus and seperating the next generation from sikhi

Dewsbury brothers jailed for grooming and abusing girls Published 3 hours ago https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-62929345 IMAGE SOURCE,WEST YORKSHIRE POLICE Image caption, (L-r) Zafar Qayum, Ansar Qayum and Mohammed Jabbar Qayum were all jailed at Leeds Crown Court Three brothers have been jailed for grooming and sexually abusing teenage girls in West Yorkshire. Police said the offences took place between 1999 and 2004 and involved three girls who were aged between 13 and 15 at the time. All the victims were described as "particularly vulnerable" at the time they met Zafar, Ansar and Mohammed Jabbar Qayum, from Dewsbury. At Leeds Crown Court, all three were convicted of rape. It follows an ongoing investigation into the sexual exploitation of teenage girls in north Kirklees between 1999 and 2012, police said. One of the women came forward in 2017 to report what had happened to her, with officers praising the bravery of the victims for their "determination to seek justice". Zafar Qayum, 42, from Dewsbury was sentenced to 30 years in jail for six counts of rape, five counts of indecent assault and three counts of aiding and abetting rape Ansar Qayum, 45, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 20 years in prison for four counts of rape and one offence of attempted indecent assault Mohammed Jabbar Qayum, 41, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 13 years for two offences of rape Det Ch Insp Ian Thornes, of West Yorkshire Police, said: "The court heard some highly disturbing evidence of how poorly these young victims were treated with all three brothers being found guilty of encouraging the sexual abuse of victims. "We welcome the substantial sentences handed down to them at court today and believe these reflect the gravity of the acts they committed."

In honour for the Rani and our new King, Raja Charles III

Seems that way.

I guess being demure and feminine is antiquated in Sikh culture nowadays. Ultimately, this behaviour is partly a response to the type of behaviour Sikh males exhibit themselves. If Sikh guys made their displeasure clear about this kind of carry-on - and didn't take part in any of it themselves - this nonsense would end overnight.

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Jingle Bell Bhangra is better

What's gairh?

What is sangats opinion on graves (no headstones) on the gurdwara premises. Committee is considering buying a church and it has some burials. I personally don't think it is a big deal as long as we are respectful. The burials are out of the way and could be turned into flowerbeds etc with a hedge/fence around them.

Why do we need to WASTE sangat's money on enlarging GUrdwarey , better to spend money on parchaar and homeless support , look at all purataan gurdwarey small, humble places where people went to learn not to eat/show off riches

my view- the Land where we are sitting or living now, who knows what was there 200 years back. so there's no issue buying that church unless people are really superstitious. Rotation cycle.

? I thought i was the only one who was thinking that, woah ppl going off topic. I think buying a Church site is fine. No ones asking anyone to change their practices and we dont need to go digging up anything because its 'not sikhi'. I know of a gurdwara where they created a car park on some land and it had some graves, part of the conditions were to retain the area where the graves were. It also had some headstones. So they just segregated that area and kept it as a lawn etc. No one was too fussed as it doesnt mean the Gurdwara is now burying lol.

I think burying is a waste of precious land. If all 6 billion people in the world were buried it would take up a huge amount of space. In fact 107 billion people have lived in human history! Now imagine how much space it would involve to bury them all. The Christians and Muslims do it because they think they their body will be resurrected on their so called Judgement day but what happens if a Christian or Muslim is vaporised by a bomb or explosion? What then happens to them on Judgement day?

it is anti-sikh behaviour because we are supposed to accept hukham and move on with our lives not fixated on the mass of cells that our loved ones once lived in . We sikhs show our respects by honouring the lessons our elders gave us and try to make our sikhi progress . We are not christians or muslims or Jewish who visit and cry over their dead every time they visit. I know in some muslim countries our bretheren have had to struggle to cremate their dead , remember the Kabul shooting victims sanskar was bombed , Guru ji taught us to be practical and keep land for the living to feed and house them. We did not give daswand to buy land for burying our dead but to do parchaar, pay for visitors' care , langar and teaching kirtan .

My main issue is the hypocritical attitude of desis. How many came through the lorries or other means and now are resenting students for wanting the same. There is no denying that large number of the students are not genuine but at least they have a chance to do something else here than in Punjab.

Think of it this way, if she was going to run off then she would have already. You have an advantage here, your potential wife here is going to be more considerate because her family had already gone through a lot of hassle already. Bottom line, you shouldn't judge her or her family because of one family member.

MUMBAI: The 21st annual Life OK Screen Awards nominations for best animated feature got announced in Mumbai yesterday. First Sikh 3D Punjabi Blockbuster Movie CHAAR SAHIBZADE got awarded for BEST ANIMATION FEATURE FILM.

When people portray us as "cartoon characters" in movies we complain, we complain when nobody highlights the Sikh itihas in India considering that we had a significant role against the Mughal empire, we complain when our own children have no idea what happened during that time period, we complain when RSS and other organizations try to change our history, we complain about all of these things and many more, and rightfully so. But when someone makes a movie to present the richness of our history, when our Sikh itihas is highlighted in Indian cinema, Guru Patshah and Guru Ji's Khalsa is portrayed as a force not to be reckoned with, when our children are learning about our itihas through an animated 3D movie, when sentimental emotions are evoked not only for Sikhs but for non Sikhs watching the movie, some of us still complain and thats just mind boggling. :stupidme: Bilkul samajh toh parre ah.

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH I REALLY wanted to not do any more wall of text responses, but then there are some that you just cannot help... Disclaimer: The below is going to look very mean and angry from my responses. In a way it is. But understand that it is directed at the content of the article and the article itself is encouraging feedback and comments. The content is strong as the allegations are strong, given the movie's overwhelming positive reception. The comments are NOT addressed at the writer of this article, but the content itself, in that I do not harbor ill-will or animosity towards her. We are allowed to have our difference of opinion and I find this to be an appropriate vehicle to provide the counterpoint/rebuttal. Lastly, I am not being financially compensated by any movie production studio and am providing my views with the only bias that I like Sikhi movies. Yes, there are typos and misspellings here, I did not have time to (nor do I usually) edit my writing for such. Glad the positives were recognized, though at times, it sounded strained, as if all of this was done to set up for the negatives. A) Support the movie financially, morally and in any means possible to encourage more of their kind. B) The Kathavachaks have been repeating the same Katha from Sooraj Parkash for hundreds of years - should we tell them to stop C) The first step to learning is to watch/read over and over. By this action alone, the content seeps into a person's mind and then inner contemplation begins and finally, implementation. We read Gurbani over and over everyday, listen to the same Katha over and over and do seva over and over for a reason. If "rinse and repeat: is inspiring people to be practicing Sikhs, explaining our history and awakening the deep asleep Sikh youth towards their hearitage, why is this an issue? Everything is effort - perhaps someone needs to spearhead that? Don't expect the Akaal Takht Sahib to do everything for you, the Sikhs - Sikhs and the relevant organizations must do this. Nothing is stopping Vismaad from petitioning likewise. https://www.facebook.com/#!/video.php?v=665201160259629 - most of this critique can be rebutted through this movie. Of note, Mr. Baweja was interviewed and explicitly stated that he had the script reviewed by the SGPC and stamped so nobody could come back and say it was inaccurate. the beef over content should be with the SGPC. We'll make more money. If the Sikhs can take a wasteland that was Indian Punjab and make it into the most productive agricultural area in the region, then the well off Sikhs of today can certainly make more money. What money have we spent on the movie? I don't recall anyone forcing anyone to see the movie or demanding investments while the movie was being made. Sad reality - many Sikhs watch nonsensical, anti-Gurmat movies all the time. I don't see anyone raising hue and cry over that state of the Panth. What about the bhangra/gidda/kabaddi and all the other things that invite manmat, kurehits? Has Singhstation campaigned as hard against those social illnesses? The question to ask is if we can spend 10-20 dollars or whatever denomination to inspire others with Sikhi, is it worth it? I could spend thousands of dollars and speak at Gurdwaras and still have less effect than that 10-20 dollar equivalent ticket. Sounds like this movie is doing more per dollar than all of our parchariks combined. I don't even see anyone giving the movie creators and associated staff expensive cars of doing matha tek to them! We are not starving of money and this spending will only encourage more movies like this and force other studios to step up their game. Same happened with Sadda Haq - great movie that encouraged others to be produced. The critics were very shortsighted in their barrage of complaints against the movie, its creators and the inaccuracies. The viewing audience voted with their money and now there is a vested monetary incentive to produce Sikhi related movies and songs as it sells. Call it whatever you will, this IS a form of parchar. It's not flowing out anywhere. Maybe it will flow out of the barber shops and liquor thekas back towards Sikhi. That seems to be a point not being considered here. If hundreds or thousands are inspired towards the Sikhi path away from drugs, alcohol and patit-ness, this movie is causing a net gain to Sikhi. Sorry, the economics being presented is off. Outside of the Vismaad productions and Proud to be Sikh (which I still can't find anywhere to see), I have never heard of the other movies. Sorry, PR and media sells and the makers of Char Sahibzadae did it right - big in its PR, good in quality and ground-breaking in its 3D. The world will teach anyone that if you make a great thing, but are unable to tell anyone about it, it's effects will be minimal, if at all (current state of Sikhi, come to think of it). They made it, they put it in so many locations that the audience was able to see it and they are reaping the rewards for being able to do so. Please don't blame the Char Sahibzadae for doing something that the other movie production studios were unable to do. I say this being an active volunteer for Vismaad (at least in the past releases) in the local area with other Gursikhs who had to work their butts to get it to show in one (only one) theater for one weekend - and that took a month of effort. I know Bhai Sukhvinder Singh personally and he is a great Gursikh. I hope this success of the Char Sahibzadae inspires him and Vismaad studios to go for better, bigger and 3D. It is not a competition - we have so few movies related to Sikhi that whenever one comes out, the Gursikhs (at least here) run to see it. No money is being taken away from anyone. The only thing this movie threatens to do is that the next time an animated film comes out, it WILL be compared to Char Sahibzadae, so all production studios should take note of this. What studies? Are they double blind, multi-national, adequately powered, randomized? This is not a drug being brought to the market, it's a MOVIE. Finally, the difference is that it is about choice - the audience is CHOOSING to see this movie based on others' feedback and continue to compound the favorable reviews because is really is a good movie. Are their shortcomings? Yes. I can tell you that I am one of the stone hearted individuals who did not shed a tear in that movie - the reason was Mata Gujri's portrayal and I will be the first to admit that her portrayal was inaccurate and a few others (history says that the Vadde Sahibzadae killed hundreds in the battlefield, not a handful, and a couple of other minor issues. I was emotional during Vismaad's Sahibzadae production, but that is because the history is such). But the Vismaad that you are portraying as superior also has inaccuracies. I highly doubt that Gursikhs were jailed with Kirpans and bana as shown in the beginning of Bhai Subeg Singh Bhai Shabaz Singh and in the Sahibzadae movie. Such license has to be taken to get an audience to relate the characters and the settings to what they know. Nobody would know that a Nishan Sahib originally had a Kataar, Tegh and Dhaal on it, but that would be the historically accurate thing to portray. These artistic licenses have to be taken to get the viewer involved and relate to the story being told. In Sahibzadae, Mata Gujri is seen as angry at Gangu and calling him an akritghan before she is escorted to the Mughals, whereas other accounts see Mata Ji as always content and never uttering such language. The Char Sahibzadae clearly provided that disclaimer in the beginning of the movie that there was use of artistic license to appeal to the audience. if historical accuracy is desired, please read books. In fact, movies such as these are likely to inspire at least a few handful of viewers to read for more detail - all the better. I pay the same for both movie tickets. The makers of Char Sahibzadae did not come to my door and ask for money. Vismaad does actively campaign for funding of their priojects. Would I give them both money? YES. What is the problem exactly if they used loads of THEIR OWN money to make this movie and we are buying tickets and seeing the movie? What cost is being referred to here? So it is wholly better that movies not be made like this and our youth spoil their minds with filth like Minions, Lord of the Rings, Spongebob and others? The argument doesn't hold water. Let me explain this simply. The creators of Char Sahibzadae made a movie, put it out in the media on a large scale, the audience loved it, voted with their money and found it to be a wonderful movie. Question: Who right now in our community is able to do such a project? Do you (any of the readers) know anyone (please don't say Vismaad - I am more than aware of their budgetary constraints and Bhai Sukhvinder Singh would be more than willing to admit this). There is NOBODY. Stop pretending that there is, because there isn't. Those who are (SGPC) will NEVER do this for the Sikhs. This is reality. I am sorry it is this way, but it is. I didn't know there was a flood of them of equivalent quality. Please provide a list of these hundreds of movies. Personally, the pool of movies is so shallow, I could probably marathon-watch them all in a week. It's not like we have a Sikh Movie Archive, and if we did, we could probably house them all in one filing cabinet. Maya Di Barhi Phikar Payi???!! Guru Sahib will send us more, don't worry. Spend it on Sikhi affairs and the Sikhs will never be poor. We are one of the richest communities in the world in a per person basis. I don't need a study to exhibit this - it is apparent from the flashy suits, cars and cell phones. Long term? What long term? Worry about the next 5-10 years and how many youth will be patits and others addicted to drugs, alcohol, gangs, relationships and other manmat. Our religion is bleeding Sikhs to manmat and non-Sikhi activities. I say spend like fools on whatever will stop this flood and get them back towards Sikhi. Again, it is a CHOICE. It is not mandated by the Akaal Takht Sahib to see this movie. I will readily accept that there are shortcomings in this movie and that should be the subject of any criticism and CONSTRUCTIVE feedback. But it is ground-breaking, of a quality that I would not be embarrassed to recommend to Americans, Canadians, etc. (basically Westerners) who are not Sikh to demonstrate a chapter in our history. TL;DR: Stop bashing a good movie. The counterpoints don't make sense

[FACEPALM] ਆਪਣੇ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਦੀ ਲੱਤ ਕਿਛਨ ਦੀ ਆਦਤ ਨਹੀ ਕਦੇ ਜਾਣੀ. This article wreaks of crab mentality

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/69479-tying-dastar-without-pulling-hair/ I also have my own style. Will post pics later. Please follow my tutorial in the above link to avoid the issue you are having. I have been there and done all that hence the above tutorial.

Congrats ! Well done on keeping on with good diet. On my side, it is all up and down. I lost 8 pounds when i spent most of the scorching summer in punjab and now i am 10 pounds heavier. I went to see Nutritionist few days ago and got some tips and will be seeing her again after recording my regular three'ish day food intake. I'm going to start taking 30 day cleansing/detox off counter pills while putting a complete self-stop on sugar.

SSA update from me, since posting in this topic on "14 April 2012 - 10:02 AM", I have been eating ok and exercising a lot more. Also taken up, squash. I have now gone down 1 dress size, from XL to L :D Balait.

I meant to reply to this the other day, apologies for the delay. Having worked as a software engineer for a number of years I can tell you that IT is not the greatest. Money can be good but the work is always quite demanding, unless you are working in a small IT department where there are not many IT challenges. If you go down the engineering route then you will have to continuously upgrade your skills and also deliver what is required. Downside of engineering is that experience is required now days. Even if you have the qualifications, employers want some experience. With experience, you can find plenty of jobs but there is always the danger of jobs being outsourced. If you go down the analytical route, then you could become a project manager, business analyst etc. I would recommend this route for you as your Law degree will provide you some benefit here and may even help you move ahead of other candidates. If it was up to me, I would be doing something else right now which has a lot more interaction with people. 1) How difficult/what type of maths is in the courses, eg. computer science? I don't have A-level Maths, but I have a GCSE grade B. I havnt had to do too much maths. If you do a degree in Software engineering then you will be required to do some maths but most IT jobs dont require complex maths unless you are working for a financial organisation. 2) How can I pick which course is right for me and how can I know if I am cut out for it beforehand? No idea, you have to pick what sounds interesting to you. Report writing (meeting clients, writing reports, attending meetings) or Coding? 3) What are job prospects like? They can be quite good with some experience and depending on how good you are. Most engineering job interviews contain a technical test which if you ace then the job is pretty much yours. Good luck.

SSA So, I always suffered from this, I learnt to tie pagh myself so always struggled with style etc. My dastars usually look quite nice but I always end up tying them too tight. Not only do my hair get pulled but its also quite painful sometimes. I am always trying to improve my pagh style so I figured i would share the best method I found of tying a typical pagh which is going to be much more stronger than the usual one. First step is to purchase this or one that matches the colour of your pagh. http://www.bandana-w...nnet-black.html The back of it is a bit open so you can put a headbandand then tie the bandana so that no hair are visible from the back. Then it is a simple matter of wapping the pagh from left to right and job done. Because the last step of pulling the first larr out from the back to cover the middle part is avoided, the strength of the pagh is much more that it would have been otherwise and the shape also remains pretty good. I found that, two or three wraps above this bandana do the job really well. I am posting this because, a lot of youngsters have trouble tying dastars and this is a very quick way of tying one. It takes me around 3-4 minutes to get a really nice looking dastar tied. Any comments / suggestions, please reply.. Balait.

Waheguru, It really saddens me when I hear that our community is still being prosecuted. I think its time we stopped fighting amongst ourselves and became a kaum of shers for real as we are no longer that. We need to come up with solutions as it seems we dont learn any lessons from such events and talk about them for a while and then forget until the next one comes along.

I think this got more coverage because it was directly related to a high profile event, so the two are not the same. However, I do agree with your comment about re-engineering our approach to raising awareness.

I will sort out the gallery soon. Please continue to post in this thread and also post in the gallery. Reason being that threads disappear out of view after a while so we need to have a common and organised place to keep historical images. Lets build a resource of sikhi based items which people will find useful. I have added the Gallery feature to the forum, I can add a download feature too which will let us upload ebooks and other stuff.

This guy needs to change his name as he is no longer Azad. hahahaa

Will it be available on TV in USA and will Sikh Channel have a studio there? I think it makes sense to share resources and programming and Sikh Channel would get funds from American Sikhs as well. However, are they ready to broadcast in USA as an american tv station given the fact that they are always saying that they need funds in UK?