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  1. I have not read all the background information about what has caused these riots. Or how it all started cricket, Hinduvata or a group of boosed up people. ect. But from my gut feeling is Muslims in the UK have been waiting for an opportunity to do some public demonstrations and protests against the BJP or Hinduvata and they finally found it. But there are reports of false information being shared on WhatsApp to stir up tensions. I have also seen that guy Anjum Choudhary back again. no doubt to stir up.
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  2. Have you seen the state (and rep) of many apneean. It's no shock (to me) that some apnay 'opt out'.
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  3. This seems to be getting worse with the passage of time. It's absolutely shameful. A complete lack of respect. They treat the gurdwara like a glorified community centre.
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  4. One thing I'll praise the Firangis for is, they do respect and adore their sovereign. The question for us fools is how much we respect and adore our sovereign, King of the Sachi Sarkar (true government), Guru Granth Sahib ji? ਖੰਭ ਵਿਕਾਂਦੜੇ ਜੇ ਲਹਾਂ ਘਿੰਨਾ ਸਾਵੀ ਤੋਲਿ ॥ If I could find the wings on sale, I would buy them for an equal weight of my flesh. ਤੰਨਿ ਜੜਾਂਈ ਆਪਣੈ ਲਹਾਂ ਸੁ ਸਜਣੁ ਟੋਲਿ ॥੨੧॥ Them, I would attach to my body and search for and find that Friend of mine. ਸਜਣੁ ਸਚਾ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੁ ਸਿਰਿ ਸਾਹਾਂ ਦੈ ਸਾਹੁ ॥ The Friend is the True Monarch. He is the King over the heads of Kings. ਜਿਸੁ ਪਾਸਿ ਬਹਿਠਿਆ ਸੋਹੀਐ ਸਭਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਵੇਸਾਹੁ ॥੨੨॥ Sitting by whose side one looks beauteous and who is the support of all. p1425 The code of conduct in a Darbar (court) of Guru ji is as that of a worldly king. Yet we see Sikhs chatting away, utterly disrespecting our Guru. If Guru Granth Sahib ji is the Jagat Guru and the King of Kings, as the Sikhs claim, then why don't they accord Guru ji the commensurate respect?
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  5. When reading Chandi Di Vaar you should be standing and holding a shastar in your hand. Big or small it does not matter. You could also do it sitting but then you must place your shastar in front of you. It should be read at amritvela and before the sun sets. I like to read path with a jot as a big light is usually to bright. You should use a toof for good smell. You can sit on a blanket which is laid out on floor or a bed. You should have some water near you while reading the path. At the end you should drink it and sprinkle it around. I also recommend doing kirtan of this path witj the sal sangat or listening to it. I recommend reading ugardanti after reading Chandi di Vaar In short you need Shastars Jot Toof Water Full ishnan(including kes) Hopefully this has taught you something about the maryada. (Maryada is the same for Ugardanti and Shastar naam mala and other dasam bani for the most part)
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  7. Can eggetarians and non amritdharis do chandi di vaar?
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  8. I wouldn't as I don't trust any vaccines that been pushed so hard by the establishment and being rushed out as some kinda miracle cure when after decades of research they haven't cured hiv/aids, cancer, measles, meningitis and haven't even been able to cure the common cold. Besides vaccines take a long time to roll out because they need long term testing to ensure they are safe for humans. These vaccines have been approved by governments willing to risk the lives of millions of their citizens and you can't even sue the manufacturer if anything goes wrong. In my view Sikhs definitely should avoid and pass the message on especially the younger generation who want to have kids not to get the vaccine as its been said the aim of it essentially is to leave the population infertile for the depopulation agenda 2030 (i dont know how true that is but seeing how crazy this year has been and how crazy the governments are acting right now I don't trust anyone in power and authority)
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  9. First of all you are one of those people whp don't take vaccines and don't gove your kids vaccines if so you are... not intelligent. There is no evidence that vaccines are dangerous they save so many lives. It is the number one reason why so many viruses don't kill people. They haven't cured cancer because there is no vaccine. I advise all Sikhs to take vaccines and don't become karens. You know why measles are back in the US It is because people like you are not taking vaccines. Also Measles was practically eradicated in 2000 but people stopped vaccinating their kids and it is returning. I get so mad when I find anti vaccine people who have 0 evidence of there claims and pull things out of thine air.
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  10. There is no rehat for what time to read most other dasam bani (I want the subject to get back on track, please no more arguing. It is always a mistake to argue for hours)
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  11. bro , when Bhai Anokh SIngh Babbar had his eyes gouged out , iron rods hammered into his legs why did he ask Policeman what time is it ? because he wanted to keep correct maryada of Sodar Rehras , these things are told us by our Guru Sahiban and elders because their is a deep reasoning , please follow maryada revealed to Baba Harnam Singh ji by Shaheed Singh sent by Dasmesh Pita ji . When we try to test in a cynical way it works badly against us.
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  12. A lot of the rural Punjab male population wore Chadras right up to the 1950s. Then the "bokshi" pyjama came into vogue and they were all the rage and apart from the older males all the youngsters wore these bokshi pyjamas. Bokshi were normal pyjamas but slightly wider and had a thin line pattern downwards. Never seen them again in Punjab since the 1980s.
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  13. Sikhs were supposed to were bana/chollas or sikhi wale kurte pajame so we look different. Also, doing a high kick in bana is so easy and it makes Gatka easy
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  14. I only know what my family did and why , it is their feelings on the matter , waking around the house wearing a vest and kacchera is not their idea of decent behaviour in mixed generational/family home , of course going to sarovar and having a bath is different matter . Not saying that they found kacchera immodest that is you assuming . Even your Guru ji gave advice to wear full bana but bare minimum is kacchera
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  15. This doesn't because of the shasters. Chadurs look especially gay when they are worn by ecstatically grinning blokes, in bright colours, who then proceed to head waggle away to a dhol and tumbhee. You know what I mean.
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  16. I think it is more complex than that. Even people from religious backgrounds can fall prey to kaam, which can trap them. Or some people seem naturally gullible and trusting, which is easily exploited by predator types (this can be especially true of people raised in very closeted conservative backgrounds) When young girls are going through puberty and all the changes going on there (physical and psychological) - they can also susceptible to be exploited by people who know what is going on. The groomers have perfected and refined their techniques over decades.
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  17. I guess this is probably how my great great great grandmother would have looked like. Maybe this will come back in fashion with my great great great grandaughter ??
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  18. I made some haldhee powder from fresh haldhee I bought. It's messy and time consuming but worth it.
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  19. i think amritdhari have at least 2 shastars with them at all time kirpan and kara and they deffo have keshang ....so what is your point bhrava? that it doesn't count unless it is a three foot kirpan , and they should be bristling with shastars ? agreed one well maintained fit for purpose kirpan is minimum , but like Gurbani slowly you can build up more , first shastar to develop is the mind because the tool is nothing without a commited person behind it.
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  20. I believe the quote is: ਇਹੈ ਮੋਰ ਆਗਿਆ ਸੁਨੋ ਲੈ ਪਿਆਰੇ | ਬਿਨਾ ਤੇਗ ਕੇਸੰ ਦਿਵੋ ਨ ਦਿਦਾਰੇ | ਇਹੈ ਮੋਰ ਬੈਨਾਂ ਮੰਨੈ ਸੁ ਜੋਈ, ਤਿਸੈ ਇੱਛ ਪੂਰੀ ਸਭੇ ਜਾਨ ਜੋਇ। So Guru ji wants us to give darshan with a teg (sword). I don't think it would word it that a person who goes to Gurdwara without a teg is a fake Sikh, but rather that he is in transgression of an edict.
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  21. Those Gujerati women should be commended. Though it does feel very uncharacteristic. Our bibian were magnificent according to my dad. From his recollection, our bibian linked arms to form a chain around the gurdwarae so that they were protected. Some of our "community leaders" the uncles were sh****ng their pants hiding in the gurdwarae. If you remember that there used to be a show on Channel 4 called the Bandung Files, I do recall seeing footage on the riots where a bazurg had an NF guy in a headlock and proceeded to punch the NF guy in the head. There was great bravery and some great cowardice with some of our uncles. I do not know much about the black sisters, I never got to question my dad on his opinion.
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  22. Brave and Gujerati are not two words you would put together normally. My dad got caught up in the riots. Beating up goreh wasn't a thing only in the 1970's, it was happening in the 60's as well. My dad in the 1960's was a Featherstone boy and he used to go to fight some of the white boys in Dormers Wells. Being jumped by 7-8 white boys was not unusual. Even my grandfather's generation were not particularly passive either. They were a hard working, hard drinking and hard living bunch. My grandfather and his cousins got into many alterations (they used to play hockey and those sticks came in handy.) Though my dad was not a big fan of the Southall Black Sisters, he thought they were a bunch of trouble makers. That was a different era and different type of people. That was in the days when there used to be a community spirit.
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  23. The main cinema was the palace on South Road with the Chinese exterior. It would be packed to the rafters every time a new flick was released. It died a death with the advent of VHS and everyone including us were renting bootleg vids from the myriad shops that popped up. The cinemas demise was a sad one, in the 80's it was converted into tiny stalls, a meat/fish market - boy did that stench, clothing and ironically multiple film rental units. The Afghanis adopted the same model by going one step further and dividing and standard retail floor space in to a gazillion shops selling cheap tat from China at inflated prices to the many visitors who still marvel at Southall. The buzz of the place diminished massively once the mainly Sikh owned shops started disappearing to be replaced with large Pakistani owned restaurants and then the already mentioned Afghan influx. The parking restrictions did not help either!
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  24. It's true that a lot of "Sikhs" sell meat and alcohol and so on, but you are not supposed to. If you are an amritdhari Sikh, you are told not to do so.
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  25. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the access from Hibernia Road still in use? There are 2 gates. And yes, it'll always be known as Hibernia Rd Gurdwara! Slowly but surely, Hibernia Rd developed from a hut to a very well run, well-oiled Gurdwara. Of course, it has it's short-comings as do other Gurdwarae. I think a lot of sangat kept away from Havelock Rd from the late 80's-most of the 90's due to the sheer violence, and with two Gurdwarae in Hounslow, us guys didn't feel left out anyway.
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  26. True, it wasn't required. But remember, the Gurdwara that is opposite it actually came about much later. The other, "even bigger" Gurdwara that is 30 seconds away has been there for much longer of course.
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  27. It is popularly known as Clifton Road Gurdwara. It was opened by the Sangat following Baba Jaswant Singh in the 80s and some of the sangat like a few of the families we knew became attached to the Gurdwara and stopped attending Havelock. It's true Havelock langar was covered by a tent like structure for many years, before becoming a more permanent structure with tables inside where everyone generally stood, what I do not recall even from the early days is that men sat and drank there after the diwaan, something I will check with my father. What fond memories, loved the old Gurdwara, felt instant peace entering the Darbar and was very much a close knit family oriented environment where everyone more or less knew each other if one was a regular. Nowadays, and I'm not saying its a bad thing, we have these MASSIVE structures and no one mingles like they used to and the satkar of the elders is not present. Back then the Babey had no qualms about smacking children out of line or making excess noise
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  28. When I first happened upon your post, I thought this might be the story of yet another Gurdwara doing something against Gurmat. Come to see, though, you're complaining that they a Gurdwara committee actually took a stand and did something according to Gurmat. Don't take this the wrong way, bro. It' s possible you're the most knowledgeable person on this form about Gurmat. Maybe you have more bani memorized than anybody. You know the meanings of more bani than anybody. And I would salute that. And yet the minds of Sangat (even monas), will come right back to the question of: If he's so knowledgeable about Gurbani, why does he cut his hair? I do hope you don't view kes as a minor outward symbol. It's not. A minor thing would be wearing a black gatra vs. a blue one vs. a shiny and fancy silver embroidered gatra. Kes, on the other hand, is a visible manifestation of accepting hukum. Why do people cut their hair? Because they're afraid of their white neighbors? Or because in their minds, they think girls don't like kes, and so they can't very well flirt up a storm with a big bushy beard? In any case, the idea of somebody sitting on a stage and lecturing people about being Nirbhau (fearless), or avoiding Kaam, or living in santokh and hukam, while not having enough santokh not to cut his God-given hair will definitely rub the Sangat wrong. You say you can talk about Gurbani all day. When you happen to come upon the following tuks, do you not think you'll be in an awkward situation talking about Guru's hukum from the stage? ਗਾਵਿਆ ਸੁਣਿਆ ਤਿਨ ਕਾ ਹਰਿ ਥਾਇ ਪਾਵੈ ਜਿਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਆਗਿਆ ਸਤਿ ਸਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਨੀ ॥੧॥ The Gurbani listened to and sung is accepted by God of those who accept the Satguru's command as true, very true. (p669) ਜੋ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਹੈ ਸੋਈ ਭਲ ਮੀਠਾ ਮਨ ਕੀ ਮਤਿ ਤਿਆਗਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Whatever the Guru says is good and sweet to me. I have renounced the intellectual wisdom of my mind. ||1||Pause|| ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੬) ੧:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੩੩੯ ਪੰ. ੧੦ Raag Parbhati Guru Arjan Dev ਨਾਪਾਕ ਪਾਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਹਦੂਰਿ ਹਦੀਸਾ ਸਾਬਤ ਸੂਰਤਿ ਦਸਤਾਰ ਸਿਰਾ ॥੧੨॥ p1084
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  29. Clifton Road Gurdwara! I don't go there myself to be honest. Funny enough, we've never been invited to a function there either. I'm not sure how frequented it is. We stick to the Hounslow Gurdwara(s), closer to where we are. Yes, it was called dharamsala, a word that has gone out of fashion in the post-Singh Sabha era that we find ourselves in. Incidentally, the first British gurdwara was initially called 'Maharaja Bhupinder Singh Dharamsala' (in light of his donation) in Putney, 1911, before moving to Shepherds Bush. I knew the the IWA had a hand in some gurdwarae but I wasn't aware how profound an impact that they had in the early days.
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  30. As a kid I still remember the elderly Singh's sitting on the benches next to the King St Mandir, (just outside Havelock Gurdwara) openly drinking in broad daylight. I guess it was the overspill from drinking in the gurdwara?
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  31. We should take a leaf out of history, has a precedent been set to allow monay to lead services or be parcharaks on stages? We know the answer, so why change. No one is stopping them from doing general seva duties.
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  32. I think your being a little unfair there to lump anita rani with the likes of meera syal and gurnider 'chuddies' chadha. Meera syal is hindu punjabi for the most part i think her mother was sikh maybe and dad hindu so shes not really from our community her up bringing was hinduism orientated. As for Anita rani shes usually quite balanced and most of the shows shes done about Sikhs has been pretty positive and insightful. I didnt like her last documentary though where the editor tried to paint Sikhs as killers of their own women when facts of the matter was muslim mobs had surrounded sikh villages so there was no way out and only choices left was being murdered, kidnapped, raped and converted. Sikhs were left with either suicide themselves, killing their own beloved family members or dying by fighting the enemy knowing full well there is no escape. So in this documentary she actually came face to face with the killers of her family and heard first hand a little from their mouths what the muslim villagers did to her family and other innocent Sikh men, women and kids. The muslim buddha baba's in their 80/90s old age now knew the horrible truth also and they did not want to reveal the truth to her cos she looked angry and upset already its evidently painful for them too to remember their part in the killings or witnessing of what went on. She on her part had a bit of Stockholm syndrome take over her trying to side with the enemy but i think she realised now the full gravity the of terror, horror and hopelessness her family suffered. Those parts of this recent documentary are good to show rebellious liberal naive Sikh/hindu girls of what happened to their ancestors whenever they need to know why its not ok to date or marry a muslim cos when things kick off. They will always see us as the enemy as kafirs and want to wipe our families and out faith out.
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  33. Gurinder Chada often claimed she would make a movie on duleep singh but never did this poor excuse for a Sikh woman went on to marry a non-sikh and produced movies/drama's that had nothing to do with showing sikhs in a good light but rather play up to the stereotype of the poor oppressed indian woman battling and rebel against the asian culture and community to the cheers and egging on of her racist white paymasters. Total coconut total sellout and total baqwas have no respect for that woman.
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  34. I think we have become used to the heavily pro-Muslim bias in the media by now so a documentary on partition which is heavily skewed with pro-Muslim bias should not come as a huge surprise. The problem is that we have zero representation in the media and any we have are sell out left wing kumbaya singing nutcases like Anita Rani and the obnoxious Gurinder Chada. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't wheel out Meera Syal next! If there is any benefit to watching the 2nd documentary of Anita Rani is was to see the look of horror she had on her face when the TRUTH was told to her about what her grandfather's first wife went through and how his two children were massacred by the Muslims. She was probably looking for a feel good story of how the Muslims had helped the Sikhs and how the Sikhs had forced their own women to commit suicide. This would have been her ideal story and would have fitted in with the BBC narrative of good Muslims and bad Sikhs. Unfortunately for her she came across the truth of what happened in 1947. It was a far cry from her original documentary last year where she seemed horrified that her grandmother's first wife had committed suicide during partition. It does look like in the recent documentary she now has a better understanding of what made non-Muslim women commit suicide rather than be captured by Muslims. Apart from the inaccuracies and downright bias in Seven Days in Summer the programme started off with the derailing by Sikhs of one of the Pakistan 'specials' train thereby implying that the violence was started by the Sikhs. The fact is that communal riots had been going on since the end of 1946 in Punjab. The Sikhs had suffered genocidal massacres by Muslims in the rural areas of Rawalpindi in March 1947. By not relating the background of the partition and how the violence was started by the Muslims a year before partition it was being disingenuous. Would the BBC air a WW2 documentary and start by showing the bombing of Dresden by the RAF without referring to the Blitz of London by the Luftwaffe a few years before? One of the other drawbacks of this season of documentaries on partition was that the Sikh position was never discussed. Here was a community which had been nearly been wiped out by Muslim massacres in the 18th century which had then gone on to rule the Punjab and were now to be either placed under perpetual Muslim rule or to have their community split in two under two hostile regimes. Neither was the loss of the historic Gurdwaras as well as the millions of acres of the best agricultural land in India discussed.
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  35. Anita Rani What a fruitcake she is
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  36. I think in this new documentary she realised the scale of the massacre and horror that her family suffered. You could tell the visible shock on her face that the muslims who lived in the surrounding area's of her ancestral sahiwal village took part in the murders of helplessly outnumbered Sikh civilians especially of the women. She was hoping for some kinda closure but I dont think she got it you could see how upset and angry she was inside of her. When we are told that these poor Sikh / punjabi women who were famed and celebrated for having suicided themselves by "jumping down a well" rather than getting dishonored, molested, converted, raped and murdered at the hands of the muslim mobs. We can almost certainly be sure that most did not "jump down a well" as relatives or Sikh survivors of horrors of partition may have claimed, they knew the truth of what happened to their female relatives and the truth was too painful and horrific to tell to their future generations.
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  37. The movie does not mention how the British army tried to force the Sikhs to take off the turban and wear hats. Sikhs were beaten, court martial-ed, whipped to try them to give up their turbans. Finally the army had to give up (as WWI had started) and allow them to wear the turban.
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  38. The Gurbilas Patshahi 6 by Sodhi Teja Singh is not the same book that is being spoken about. I have two copies of the original and if anyone does actually want to read the Gurbilas Patshahi 6 by Bhai Mani Singh Ji is available on www.punjabdigilib.org
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  39. Sangat can see mental level of such phony scholars of kala afghana creed.When engaged in discussion( They do not want to engage in discussions) they have no answers.
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  40. The following is from Indian Express, 12 August 2003 ----------------- Vedanti defends Gurbilas, Calcutta backs him S.P. Singh CHANDIGARH AUGUST 12 BREAKING Months-long silence in the face of severe criticism of his edited work Gurbilas Patshahi 6, Akal Takht Jathedar Joginder Singh vedanti has now strongly defended his intellectual labour, told his detractors to understand the difference between authored and edited works and said the work is the richest source material on the life and times of sixth Sikh Guru. Vedanti’s defence comes close on the heels if the latest book of controversial cop-turned- Sikhism preacher Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana which castigated Vedanti for editing and propagating and allegedly anti -Sikh book. "We took upon ourselves the difficult job of comparing and correcting the available texts with the old hand-written manuscripts--We also wrote a detailed preface and make it clear that this is a source about the many important events connected with the life of Guru-Hargobindje, like the creation of Akal Takht," Vedanti told community journal Sant Sipahi in a tape-recorded interview, transcript of which were made available to The Indian Express. The SGPC, under is new dispensation, also seemed to be backing Vedanti tip the hills and SGPC Secretary Manjit Singh Calcutta said Gurbilas was published by him during his earlier stint at the same job and SGPC would take note of those destroying the Sikh ethos by criticizing Akal Takht. Vedanti, who denied that Kala-Afghana was excommunicated due to any personal ani mosity, as alleged by the Canada-based author, had so far maintained scene about his own work Kala Afghana, before his ex-communication last month, was summoned repeatedly by the community’s top temporal seat but cited health and other reasons for not appearing. "The Siks should be cautious about these people whose motive is to deprive the Sikhs of all source material published after 1718, including all the Gurbilas, Suraj Praksh, Mahima Praksh, Panth Praksh, Rahitnama etc. Which book would we the depend upon to write our history? Will we go to the government to seek our history?" Vedanti said, He said there was "no ban on Gurbilas and this will be available from the book-stalls of SGPC and elsewhere." Calcutta, praising Vedanti’s book said, " if this book is not there, then we do not have any other book about the life and times of Guru Hargobindji. The SGPC will continue its job of bringing out further research materials." Vedanti said except for Gurbilas, no other book has the mention of creation of Akal Takht. " I and Bhai Amarjit Singh, who was then professor at Shaheed Sikh Missionary College Amritsar, were given the job of editing this main source book on the occasion of the sixth Guru’s 400 birth anniversary--. My job was to edit the already available book which had been published many times including thrice by the Languages Department," Vedanti said. He said Bhai Santokh Singh had also written momentum works like Guru Partap Suraj Granth, Guru Nanak Partap etc and these were edited by Bhai Vir Singh. "Certain points which are being raised about Gurbilas also figure verbatim in Gur Partap Suraj Granth and other book of Bhai Santokh Singh edited by Bhai Vir Singh," the Akal Takht jathedar said, Vedanti made it clear that he planned to take head-on Kala Afghana supporters. "We are closely watching the activites of those collaborating with him and I assure they will be taken to jusice. No one is above the Hukamnama and no one will be allowed to cross his limits."
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  41. That's a good perspective. In a sense, it would be like our panj piare. If you break our main laws (4 bajjer kurehits), you have to go before the 5 "judges". But it only applies to Sikhs, and if someone doesn't want it to apply to them, they can just say "I'm not a Sikh." The problem is many people have the suspicion that Muslims want to apply their law to non-Muslims as well. By the way, there are Jews who want to apply Jewish law to non-Jews as well. http://www.noahide.org/ http://www.noahide.com/
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  42. Thanks a lot for putting this together. It totally exposes the biased view of the BBC. I think what has happened is when the BBC was first putting together staff for covering "Asian" stories, it adding a lot of Muslim people plus some desis hostile to Sikhs. We're continuing to feel the effects. You should make your concerns known to some politicians as well. I don't know why some British people are out to appease Muslims as they are so hateful towards Britain.
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  43. fordcapri, sorry to pick on you. I just wish you had sort of researched the situation before speaking up. Another point I'd like to reiterate is the fact that standing above all the scriptures produced by humanity so far is God's word, Guru Granth Sahib Ji, written in ... Punjabi in Punjab. (I don't mean to imply Guru Sahib was created by humans, just if someone was looking at a non-Sikh, world perspective.) Other scriptures talk about the war histories of specific tribes or groups, but Guru Granth Sahib Ji talks about the unity of all mankind. Like khalis said above, it's mindblowing. If you can name a prophet who has arisen among the French or if a scripture has been written in German, go ahead. If you see some great difference between 1830s London and 1830s Lahore, go ahead and point it out. The only reason the British surged ahead is they took the Punjab by treachery, otherwise we'd have no reason to emigrate.
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  44. Are other cultures logical? Is the wearing of a necktie logical? Is it based on some sort of philosophical analysis? And the wearing of skirts in dead cold winter? Is that also logical? Is your mother better than anybody else's mother? Maybe, maybe not. Do you still love her? If so, why wouldn't you want people to love their mother tongue? Zameen means land, not floor. Floor is farsh in Punjabi. People have a love for their land, not for their floors, whether they be marble, granite, harwood, or tile. Do you also apply the same standard to the American song "The home of the free, the *land* of the brave?" "From sea to shining sea" "Over amber waves of grain"? That's all OK, but it bugs you when a Punjabi sings about the green fields of his motherland? You have got to be kidding. Do you apply the same standard to the country in which you live (US, Canada, UK, whatever) or just to Punjab? When your teacher teaches about George Washington, Churchill, the Greek gods, or whatever, do you also counter with "Who cares"?
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  45. People who are young, healthy, and beautiful don't need jewelry, or even nice clothes to attract attention. Other people use jewelry and such to increase their worldly status. Increased status (as well as a a bunch of other things) leads to increased attraction by the other sex. Gold on a building doesn't lead to the possibility of a kurehit, though.
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  46. There are 3 beliefs regarding this topic. In decreasing order of avastha (spiritual status) of the Panj Singhs: 1. Some people believe that the 5 piyare have to have some high level of spirituality themselves in order to be able to share some with the initiates. 2. Some people believe that the 5 piyare merely have to be rehitvan -- keep 5k, do 5 banis, don't do 4 big kurehits, and generally be a good, average Sikh, not jeevan-mukt or anything like that. 3. Some people believe that the Amrit process is valid for the initiate even if one or more of the 5 singhs might be lax in their rehit or even have committed a kurehit. #3 is somewhat reminiscent of the Catholic believe that a confession or other Catholic sanskar is valid even though the priest may have fallen out of grace w/ God or the Church. In this belief, it's only the faith of the initiate that matters. In any case, you should remember that the 5 do ardas to Guruji to do kirpa. So the puran Guru still has a role to play even if the 5 may be incomplete. In the 10 bodies, Guruji didn't have to do ardas to anybody because they were Satguru themselves and also didn't have to follow any set maryada because they themselves create the maryada.
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  47. The classic method is to image that you are a puppet or doll and there is a string by which you are suspended from the ceiling. Then just keep your body straight in the same way.
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