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ਨਾਮਧਾਰੀ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਦਲੀਪ ਸਿੰਘ ਨਿਹੰਗ ਸਿੰਘਾਂ ਦੇ ਜੱਥੇਦਾਰ ਸਰਦਾਰ ਮੇਜਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨਾਲ ਨੇ ਸਹਿਮਤ । VID-20220929-WA0000.mp41 point
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You really are full of nonsense. The reason the Gujaratis came to Britain after being expelled from Africa was because they had British citizenship, no other reason. Many of them had to live in detention camps when they arrived! They did not uplift the image of Indians by selling saris and owning corner shops, something that Punjabis were doing where they were a majority anyway.1 point
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Every Sikh should have as many kids as they can manage. We don’t want Sikhs to have 4 kids when they can handle only 2. Let’s see how many kids the Guru’s had for example. Guru Nanak 2 Guru Angad 4 Guru Amar Das 4 Guru Ram Das 3 Guru Arjan 1 Guru Hargobind 6 Guru Har Rai 3 Guru Har Krishan 0 Guru Tegh Bahadaur 1 Guri Gobind Singh 4 (Maybe 5 because of adopted children) We can see that each of the Gurus had different amounts of kids. Guru Nanak didn’t spend much time with his children so he had two. While Guru Hargobind had 6 from 3 different wives. My point is we shouldn’t have a defined number of kids we need. We should all have kids yes but have as many as you can manage. Just for fun I created an average for how many kids the Gurus had and it is 2.8 so 3. If we don’t count Guru Harkrishan because Guru Sahib was too young to have kids it is 3.11 so still 3. Hope this helped people.1 point
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I am reading Suraj Granth and it is beautiful with so much history but some less knowing people are turning to throw it away calling it Hindu and stuff. So if you know any sections or stories that are controversial say it and we can try to examine them. Gonna have Gurbilas Patshahi 6 and 10 soon. We can do the same for both of them.1 point
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'Bhangra' as far as I can tell, is not popular in my parents' Ludhiana area. I might be wrong. 'Bhangra' artists are disproportionately higher of Doaba and UK Panjabis. non-Bhangra Panjabi music in Eastern Panjab has been dominated by Malwai artists such as all the Maans1 point
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How does it mention the Guru giving the Gurgadhi? Was this wrriten by the Guru after giving the Gurgadhi?1 point
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I think you'll find that those type of women will 'like' <cough,cough> anyone for money......lol Plus what country are you in that has hoes on every corner? Eastern europe?1 point
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No but at 12 am on every corner women start to like me for money though.1 point
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Dasam Granth doesn't mention Dusht Daman all it says is that Guru Ji in his previous life did deep meditation at a location forgot the name. It is called the seven peak mountain in bani1 point
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Thanx for the reply veere! I can understand your problem. Although am still in college so marriage is out of the question but to be honest, I don't think I will marry a Sikh. I know it's wrong to generalize that all Sikh women are like this but I have come across so many "kaurs" from gursikh families that had sexual relationships with hindus/muslims including in my own family that I can't see myself getting married to a kaur. On the contrary, my female hindu classmates are so decent and don't date around. Their only fault that they are not born in sikh families is ridiculous, I would choose them as a potential life partner over a sikh woman anytime anyday. My cousin(non amritdhari but keeps kesh) married a hindu girl and she liked sikhi so much that she adopted sikhi by choice and now regularly does nitnem and stop cutting hair, keeping fasts etc. They also have a son whom they are raising as gursikh. Never feel disheartened, keep following sikhi and have faith in Waheguruji and most importantly NEVER compromise your beliefs for a woman(especially a spoiled westernized sikh girl) their are plenty of non sikh women who will understand you and your religion and will be good wife and good mother to your kids! And for haters and pseudo feminists who love to silence voices of sikh men, remember sikh sangat.com is not an islamic website. Everyone has the right to speak their opinions. Am not spreading hate, I just wrote reality and life experiences with sikh families and sikh women at large.1 point
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Very inspirational. Loved your comment veerji. Your life is a proof that Sikhi isn't inherited but earned. I will show this to some of my sikh friends who have lost their path to "fit in" society. Hats off to you my fellow khalsa brother1 point
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If she was raped, this case would have become even stronger bcoz it would elevate from a religious issue or alleged abduction to a serious crime against women allowing involvement of women rights organizations. Did any such organization intervene? Family members called the muslim guy's family terrorists and kidnappers but they never uttered anything about rape. As per all the articles, reports and media coverage, the girl herself planned this abduction. Also, as I said before it doesn't make any sense for paki govt. both financially and politically, to deny justice. "Methods used are same as Hindus/Christians" when was the last time we saw indian/western hindus/Christians creating strong movement online, protesting, going viral on Twitter for justice of their respective paki women? Indian and western Hindus/Christians are so much divided by boundaries of country, caste, creed, financial status etc that they simply don't care. I have seen some Indian hindus do share fb posts about abduction of paki hindu women but it only got likes and comment section full of abuses on pakistan at best. "Truth is she wanted a divorce" she wanted to stay with her husband, this was her very first official statement. She also said she felt threatened by her family members. Also, it was her family who forced the court to annul their marriage and give her back, she herself refused many times with/without any interruption. If I consider myself in girl's situation, my family members are risking their lives DAILY in demanding justice for me, am backed up by all sikhs globally, protests are happening for me, sikh organizations are getting involved and the worst of all, one of the most sacred place to my religion like Nanakana sahib was pelted with stones, disrespected/abused and threatened to destroy? If those dirty hijabi women told me to go back to my husband, I will openly say screw you and your pathetic islam, I will go home back no matter what the cost. If anything bad happens to me or my family member, it will generate an even bigger backlash against Pakistan and Pakistan will officially be called country of terrorists globally. It makes ZERO sense for me to beg court that I want to stay muslim and go back with my in laws who will most likely torture me for tarnishing thier image in local community and getting them beaten by police and one of their sons jailed. My in laws will be the most dangerous place to live, I won't go unless I am so brainwashed by my husband's love jihad tactics and by Islamic scholars, that am risking my life, my family and my religion.1 point
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"Am not of west....I discovered India when i discovered sikhi".....Respected Sir/Mam, it doesn't matter whether you're from west or India or Mars! Sikhi is a universal religion. It has nothing to do with country, race or caste. "This mam/sir is well aware of whats going on punjabi sikh families" Yes bcoz our sikh religion teaches us to respect others and equally treat men and women. Look at the tone of your replies, its like you're screaming and shouting in frustration whereas I replied in a polite manner for a healthy convo. Plz analyse yourself. Also, plz don't go on "female infanticides" in Punjab. Crimes happen everywhere. Tell me which country is crime free? Rapes, domestic violence and other crimes on women happen in your country, in your region as well. Punjab is trolled to insult sikhs and spread poison in minds of others for sikh religion. Sikhi is the ONLY religion in world to give respect to women. Which religion made women as kaurs? Have you even bothered to read quoran, hindu vedas, bible etc? Women are literally depicted as s3x slaves that are servants of husbands whereas sikhi made you kaur(Princess). I partially agree with your point on parents. Some Sikh parents hesitate to guide thier daughters/sons and consequently they turn to smoking, alcohol, sleeping around etc. But parents are not COMPLETELY responsible. If their daughters themselves are characterless, hate sikhi, rebellious and want to "fit in" society to look cool why are poor parents blamed. Plz don't portray such traitors as victims. Such sikh women are disgrace on sikh community, not victims. Everyone knows osama bin laden, but does anyone know his parents name? Does anyone blame his parents for his evil deeds? Do you get it what am saying. You are responsible for your own actions whether good/bad, its wrong to ENTIRELY blame the parents or religion. Bad parental guidance is a contributing factor but not the entire problem. Lastly, you said sikh women are deprived of sikh values......wrong, both son and daughter are taught the same sikh religion Lol. But sikh women themselves don't wanna learn sikhi. They hate kesh, they rebel and want to copy non Sikh lifestyle. I participated in a sikh camp few years ago and their 90% sikh girls openly rejected dastaar and also rebelled against the idea of not waxing, kesh katal etc. If Sikh women themselves don't have any interest in sikhi, why should sikh men or parents be blamed? Plz reply in a respectful manner like mine. Your replies look like ranting to me. Lol1 point
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This is one of the most shameful things I have ever seen. Sikhs celebrating ramzaan? <banned word filter activated>? Did our ancestors gave shaheedi to see their future generations celebrate non sikh festivals? Thanks for sharing this @Kau89r8 . Didn't knew that some sikhs including keshdharis were so mentally retarded to follow islam. Islam is cancer and mohummad is its tumor. Quoran is literally a book of evil whoever reads it, becomes a terrorist zombie. Any sikh who follows islam or goes to masjid is a TRAITOR and must be exposed. And those sikhs who worship hindu demi gods, do murti pooja or fast for karwachauth are TRAITORS as well. Waheguruji eho je loka nu sumat bakshan!1 point
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Yes, she drinks a lot and she is using sikhi swaroop as a cheap costume for money and fame of being a "bearded asian girl". How do parents of such girls even allow this? Why sikh parents are unable to infuse sikhi in their daughters?1 point
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That so called "sikh" woman with medical disorder is actually not a sikh. Go to her Instagram. She posts nude pics, plays with sex toys, posts pics with her black bfs(yeah she does have bfs!,) etc. She even appeared on a dating show for people with abnormalities. She clearly said in one of her posts that she's an atheist. But still, she's bringing a bad name for keski and those amritdhari women that really do have some facial hair.1 point
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Who told you this? Punjab has literally least cases of rape and domestic violence. Please visit UP(Uttar pradesh), Bihar and even South india and see for yourself how non Sikh/non punjabi men beat their wives/daughters. Only worst thing about india is dirty politics, anti sikh media and lack of jobs.1 point
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Well, am an Indian singh so I guess am the right person to answer this question. Delhi and mumbai are the places where I have seen worst sikhs especially women. They have no sharam, lose virginity pretty early and then go for arranged marriage to please their parents. I know singhs who went for divorce as they found out that their "decent" punjabi suit wearing sardarni used to sleep around in college days. Although, Clubbing, pre marital sex and dating is still not that common in india but still you will have a lot of trouble in finding a religious sikh wife especially if you're amritdhari. And our Punjab is now the hub of PAs(punjabi atheists) Mahi gill had a child out of wedlock with a hindu, Himanshi khurana is dating a Muslim etc. These women are pure sell outs and just post pics of Guru Nanak dev ji with gurbaani quotes on insta on gurupurab and vaisakhi and offline, they sleep with hindu/muslims. Don't know about other Indian Sikhs, but I have already dropped the idea of marriage with a sikh woman. Some people here on sikh sangat.com believe "how can a moni non sikh be less charitarheen" atleast in my college, most non sikh females are decent and don't sleep/date around. Here in India, hindu/muslim women are considered better than punjabi women in terms of character and career. I guess in west, situation may be different as white women are considered easiest to sleep with. Apart from sikh women, another huge problem in india is many sikhs are influenced by Hinduism. I know PLENTY of keshdhari sikh families worshipping shivji or durga maa, keeping useless fasts, going to pandits etc. This has created a very negative influence in our kaum and this is one of the reasons why hindus consider sikhi as an offshoot of sanatan dharma like Jain and budhhist. In the recent years, parchar is done and this problem has been tackled to a great extent but still there's a lot of room for improvement.1 point
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Hanji veerji I know. Please read my replies. I clearly said I have never and in future too, will never indulge in pre marital sex. Non physical dating is fine by me but not sex. In fact, this is the reason why I said I will never marry a sardarni. I don't know about west, but here sikh kudiyaan have no sharam at all and secretly sleep around behind parent's back. @jkvlondon I totally forgot to tell you that few days back, my distant relative(he's a mona) told me about an app in play store called "Simran kaur" or "Symran k". The girl was from Mumbai, seemed keshdhari and uploads sex videos, cheap images in bikinis and says she's a proud sardarni. There is another one called "Sharanya jit kaur" who is also a pornstar. (Please note that I don't watch porn or cheap stuff, my relative sent me the links as I refused to believe what he said). Please tell me, have you ever heard of a "Singh" pornstar? "Singhs" uploading pics without undergarments? Nowadays we even have "kaur" pornstars and "kaur" apps. Am speechless!1 point
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@jkvlondon Clearly we have different opinions and different experiences. Maybe our geographical distribution is also a factor for this dissimilarity(me indian and you western) but still, very frankly speaking, I don't see myself getting married to a sardarni. When I was around 19 and non amritdhari, I told my parents that I will only marry a gursikh singhni with keski with no waxing, threading etc but today, am 24 now and I clearly told my parents that don't expect a sikh daughter in law, I will only marry short hair cut hindu/muslim medico girl. If she converts, its very good but even if she choses to stay non sikh after marriage, thats again fine by me because I will raise my kids as gursikhs anyway. It was a very tough debate with my parents(they are also amritdhari) but eventually they agreed. You must be wandering why I changed? What happened between 19 to 24 yrs of age? Well, a lot. I saw countless sikh women with no character, loosing virginity, trapping innocent sikh guys for money and property etc. I have completely lost my faith and respect for kaurs. Ofcourse this excludes that 1% sikh bibiyaan that actually follow sikhi and are noble souls. I am young(24) and as I said before, my career is priority at the moment. I won't date/marry till 27 or 28. But I have made my mind, whenever the right time comes, I will marry(not Anand karaj) a non sikh kudi( preferably a Kashmiri Musalmaani). I don't care what society thinks of me anymore. I can't be hanged if I dislike sikh women. Am not self hating or anything but extremely disappointed about the actions of "kaurs" that I saw both in my family and friends. Finding a real kaur is like finding a unicorn And am not talking about "punjabans" but 'kaurs" from decent sikh families like your cousin. Why she became a wage slave for a lowlife brahmin hindu? Why you said sikh panth lost an engineer? Have you ever heard why our sikh panth lost a singh? Why do 99% times we hear we lost a kaur by a non sikh guy but almost(not always) we lost a singh? I hope you got your answer.1 point
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My point was that bhai jagraj singh ji's wife became a singhni despite from non sikh background while there are many punjabi sikh women who hate kesh and embarrass sikhi. Khalsa ji, am also amritdhari and I know very well that Anand karaj is ONLY for 2 sikhs. Anand karaj with a non sikh is highly disrespectful to Guru Granth sahib ji unless the non sikh woman converts. I never said that I wanted Anand karaj with a non sikh girl, I said I will marry a non sikh girl(court marriage/marriage as per her traditions if her family insists) but not Anand karaj. There is also "Special marriage act" in India where you can get married to anyone without any party converting.1 point
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1. "Lumping punjaban with kaurs" No mam, am not mixing trashy punjabans with kaurs, am talking about sikh females who were born in amritdhari families yet are characterless as well as those Sikh females who pretend to be kaurs in order marry a rich sikh guy after sleeping around with non sikhs. The real problem is that such sikh women are hard to identify as compared to a hair cutting apne drinking in a club. If tomorrow I wait for arranged marriage and I end up getting married to such a fake pretending kaur who will take the responsibility? You? Sikh sangat.com? One of my amritdhari friend married a so called "gursikh" singhni and after marriage he found out via her college friends that she slept with biharis during her college days. Eventually they got divorced. Such incidents scare me a lot and I have read some answers on this website about singhs who had similar experiences. 2."brush off real reply from kaur" Lol I just gave my opinion ànd my real life experiences. I never told you to get out or something infact you're the one who "accused" me of doing things which trashy sikh females do but in reality I haven't done anything and in future too, will never go to that low level of those females. 3." Sikh who harasses wife....ask gor daaj....blah blah" mam, please its a polite request, to play this pseudo feminist card somewhere else, not on this website. You're also a keski vaali singhni and you know very well know that singhs NEVER do these things, PA do it and trust me PA are just a tiny minority. Infact in India, Singhs are known for respecting women, thats one of the reasons why hindu/muslim girls love Sikh guys so much. Here in india. Hindu guys regularly indulge in domestic violence and force their hindu wives to keep fasts and muslim guys treat their muslim wives like animals, forced to wear hijab in scorching 49 degree Celsius in delhi and do triple talaq stuff. Singhs don't do any of these. You should be proud that you're born in a community with such wonderful guys. Look at the condition of non sikh females and how they are treated by their males. 4. "having keshdhari kids means jack" I disagree. Having kesh is the first step towards becoming amritdhari. Ofcourse exceptions exists, but you also know very well that a keshdhari sikh is more likely to become a gurskh in future than a clean shaven mona guy with weird hairstyles who proudly call themselves "sikh". 5. "Why not trust guru ji and mix in sangat" mam I trust him blindly. Infact, today am doing MBBS from a prestigious govt. medical college despite being from general category is only because of him. Hardwork is secondary, every medical student is hardworking but getting a medical seat despite of stupid reservation system in india is a very big thing. Am nothing and a nobody without guruji and I have no shame in admitting this. I always do ardaas to make me a gursikh doctor and not just a regular medico. But reality doesn't change. There are large no. of sikh females from gursikh families who behave like prostitutes and a complete disgrace to our kaum. Please tell me, why will a guy in his right mind and right senses hate females of his own community?? And its not just me, but there are plenty of threads on thousands of sikh websites including Sikh sangat.com about "bad behavior of sikh women" "where to find decent sikh women" etc. That means this problem is also faced by other singhs. Its a universal problem and needs recognition. Please be a real kaur and have the guts to admit this reality!1 point
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I did not say she is promoting Sikhi. Maybe she is misrepresenting Sikhs, but how many of us fully and properly represent Sikhs? Very few. All I am saying is that whatever nominal allegiance she has towards Sikhi, it is better than nothing. Criticizing people like that usually just results in them moving even further away from Sikhi. It's like seeing sardars drinking. Are they properly representing Sikhi? No. But I would rather have a drinking sardar, with whatever nominal allegiance he openly has towards Sikhi, than a drinking mona. At least with a drinking sardar, our tiny community gets small contribution to our nominal numbers. I'm tired of people arguing for "quality over quantity". For some things, we need more than a tiny, tiny minority. We need to have a large, visible population of nominal adherents.1 point
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Are you kidding me? How does Richmond Hill compare to West London or Brampton or Surrey? It's absolutely nothing. You've really got to be joking. lol @ "probably a bunch of other places". That lets me know you don't understand the population distribution here. These "100 year old" communities that you are referring to are all hype. In the early 1900s, a small handful of Sikhs came to California, and 99% of them ended up marrying Mexican women and assimilating into mainstream American culture. Their children and grandchildren have no connection to Sikhi (or even Punjabi culture). For all intents and purposes, the "Sikh community" that existed 100 years ago disappeared. You don't meet anyone here whose family has been here for generations. After the early 1900s community merged into the "mainstream" and disappeared, Sikhs didn't exist in America in sizable numbers until the 1980s. Anyway, if after all I've said, you don't understand how vastly different the situation for Sikhs in America is compared to the situation for Sikhs in England or Canada, I don't know what to tell you.1 point
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I wonder what percentage of women at this retreat are married to monay.1 point
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1. You are complaining that amritdharis/religious sikhs are failing to do what is necessary to create a "robust fauj." Let me ask you something: in the 1980s, who stepped up and put their lives on the line? It was 90% amritdharis and/or religious, keshadhari singhs. They bled, gave up their lives, had their families subjected to all kinds of atrocities. How much can these people take? 2. Your critique is based on the assumption of what a "robust fauj" is. The world has changed. The Sikh nation is not going to liberated by a few unorganized, rag-tag gangs of 20 year old boys in the Punjab countryside. The Sikh nation is also not going to be liberated by vigilante groups of mundey in Canada or the UK. What we need, what we have been sorely lacking for our entire existence, is a strong group of educated, intelligent, and passionate Sikhs who can formulate nuanced, viable strategies for the quam to meet its challenges, and who have the intelligence, resources, and networks to implement such strategies. With that in mind, I see nothing wrong in amritdhari/religious kids being groomed for success in academics and the professional world. Look at Jews. They are smaller in population than we are, but they are generally very well educated and successful, and, on top of that, help each other out. They wield a tremendous amount of influence and power because they have positioned themselves in such a way. That's the way for us to get ahead and protect our interests in the modern world.1 point
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cry bullies will never be able to cope with being real singhnian because they cannot handle reality ... I'm sorry that the new generation are so blind to how they are being manipulated by their professors and teachers and the media. It's all down to lack of true context ... from lack of true connection to the unvarnished truth of the past, of the present.1 point
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People should avoid that stuff. I tend to avoid these types and normally sit by myself. I then proceed to the langar hall and sit by myself and partake in langar like a loser. I should be called Billa no mates.1 point
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Bro India was matriarchal society for thousands of years ...and judging by the level of sophistication in art, architecture etc uncovered by archeologists they weren't doing too badly.... try not simplifying patriarchal analysis of matriarchal societies especially since they sat on top of facts which show female contributions just as much in fields such as medicine, arts, science and mathematics. Vatican and many art museums have vaults filled with suppressed female art.1 point
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Have they not been to a Gurdwara. Loads of bibian sitting in the langar hall doing nindyan. They sit together creating their space telling each other stories. They might not be weeping but they learn about everyone else for sure.1 point
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I think the Internet can help big time in this.1 point
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Hari Singh Randhawa in the above video claims that Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj started the udasis Panth and it was not Sri Chand. Today many Sikhs have jumped on this bandwagon and have started saying the same without listening to Katha of Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj or reading Gurbani or reading Bhai Gurdas Ji's Vaars. First Hari Singh Randhawa says this tuk to back up his theory that Satguru started Udasis: gur bcnI bwhir Gir eyko nwnku BieAw audwsI ]5]11] gur bachanee baahar ghar eaeko naanak bhaeiaa oudhaasee ||5||11|| According to the Word of the Guru's Teachings, what is outside is the same as what is inside the home of the self. Nanak has become a detached renunciate. ||5||11|| http://sikhitothemax...p?ShabadID=3666 So at the beginning of this shabad a person ask Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj if he is a yogi, sant ji says. Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj responds by saying: Raag Maaru--Ang-992 jogI jugiq nwmu inrmwielu qw kY mYlu n rwqI ] jogee jugath naam niramaaeil thaa kai mail n raathee || The Yogi who is joined to the Naam, the Name of the Lord, is pure; he is not stained by even a particle of dirt. Then they ask who is a Brahmin from Maharaj a few tuks down and Maharaj responds by saying: bRhmxu bRhm igAwn iesnwnI hir gux pUjy pwqI ] brehaman breham giaan eisanaanee har gun poojae paathee || He alone is a Brahmin, who takes his cleansing bath in the spiritual wisdom of God, and whose leaf-offerings in worship are the Glorious Praises of the Lord. Then at the end Satguru says this to him: gur bcnI bwhir Gir eyko nwnku BieAw audwsI ]5]11] gur bachanee baahar ghar eaeko naanak bhaeiaa oudhaasee ||5||11|| According to the Word of the Guru's Teachings, what is outside is the same as what is inside the home of the self. Nanak has become a detached renunciate. ||5||11|| The above tuk katha starts at 32:15 to the end of the recording. Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Maharaj here makes it clear that Satguru is talking about a spiritual state and it has nothing to do with starting a sect called udasis or being an udasis as Sri Chand was. Hari Singh Randhawa needs to read the whole shabad before doing arth of this one tuk and presenting the tuk to the sangat as if Satguru is saying i am udasis. Hari Singh Randhawa, also uses the following tuk to back up his claim: bwby ByK bxwieAw audwsI kI rIiq clweI] baabae bhaekh banaaeiaa oudhaasee kee reeth chalaaee|| To further understand the people, Guru Nanak donned robes in their manner and preached them to be detached (from the pleasure and pain). http://sikhitothemax...p?ShabadID=5564 From this Vaar of Bhai Gurdas Ji’s i could not find Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Maharaj’s katha. It is not on Gurmatveechar.com. But in the same Vaar (1) in pauri 38 Bhai Gurdas Ji tells us that Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj takes off the udasi garb. Listening to this katha Sant ji says that Satguru adorned the udasi garb to teach the udasis what it really means to be an udasi. Sant ji gives the example of how Satguru went to Mecca and Satguru adorned the blue garb. Just because Satguru adorned the blue garb of the Muslims doesn’t mean Satguru became a Muslim or started the Muslim religion. Again Hari Singh Randhawa has failed to learn from his teacher (Sant ji and Bhai Gurdas ji) and has distorted Bhai Gurdas Ji’s Vaars to support Udasis. Hari Singh Randhawa is adding his own man made theories here to support what he believes for whatever reason. Vaar 01 Pauri 38 - Baba Aaiya Kartarpur The above Katha starts at 2:25 Katha on Nirmal Panth: Vaar 01 Pauri 45 - Ziaarat Kar Multaan Di Vaar 01 Pauri 45 - Ziaarat Kar Multaan Di - Version 02 Nirmal Panth is first mentioned at 4:50 to 6:00. Here Sant ji refers to Sikhi as the Nirmal Panth which Satguru started and where Satguru Sri Guru Angad Dev ji Maharaj was the second Guru of this Nirmal Panth. In the second version of the above Katha Sant ji makes it even more clear that Satguru is refering to the Khalsa Panth, by saying in farsi this Panth is called Khalsa Panth. But if you listen to Hari Singh Randhawa he distorts Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaars and says Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj started the Nirmal Samprada. This is wrong because the Nirmal Samprada, which Hari Singh is refering to, was started by Bhai Daya Singh ji. Then again Hari Singh to confuse the sangat says in the 10th form Satguru increased this Nirmal Panth. So Hari Singh should be asked why are you distorting Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaars? Why not do the correct arth of Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaars like your teacher Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Maharaj does? Hari Singh Randhawa also says the Gurus did puja of Sri Chand. Correct me if im wrong and misheard. This is a huge insult to the Gurus by Hari Singh Randhawa. What is Hari Singh’s evidence for this, what is his source? Surely not Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaars or Gurbani because both sources tell us that Sri Chand went against Satguru and the former source tells us that Sri Chand could not find liberation. Does Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaars or Gurbani say anywhere that Satguru started udasi or was a udasi? From Sant Ji’s katha, he has made it clear this was not the case at all. Infact Gurbani give us the explanation of what a Udasi and householder is in this Shabad: This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Raag Prabhaatee on Pannaa 1329 pRBwqI mhlw 1 ] prabhaathee mehalaa 1 || Prabhaatee, First Mehla: Awvqu iknY n rwiKAw jwvqu ikau rwiKAw jwie ] aavath kinai n raakhiaa jaavath kio raakhiaa jaae || No one can hold anyone back from coming; how could anyone hold anyone back from going? ijs qy hoAw soeI pru jwxY jW aus hI mwih smwie ]1] jis thae hoaa soee par jaanai jaa(n) ous hee maahi samaae ||1|| He alone thoroughly understands this, from whom all beings come; all are merged and immersed in Him. ||1|| qUhY hY vwhu qyrI rjwie ] thoohai hai vaahu thaeree rajaae || Waaho! - You are Great, and Wondrous is Your Will. jo ikCu krih soeI pru hoiebw Avru n krxw jwie ]1] rhwau ] jo kishh karehi soee par hoeibaa avar n karanaa jaae ||1|| rehaao || Whatever You do, surely comes to pass. Nothing else can happen. ||1||Pause|| jYsy hrht kI mwlw itMf lgq hY iek sKnI hor Pyr BrIAq hY ] jaisae harehatt kee maalaa tti(n)dd lagath hai eik sakhanee hor faer bhareeath hai || The buckets on the chain of the Persian wheel rotate; one empties out to fill another. qYso hI iehu Kylu Ksm kw ijau aus kI vifAweI ]2] thaiso hee eihu khael khasam kaa jio ous kee vaddiaaee ||2|| This is just like the Play of our Lord and Master; such is His Glorious Greatness. ||2|| surqI kY mwrig cil kY aultI ndir pRgwsI ] surathee kai maarag chal kai oulattee nadhar pragaasee || Following the path of intuitive awareness, one turns away from the world, and one's vision is enlightened. min vIcwir dyKu bRhm igAwnI kaunu igrhI kaunu audwsI ]3] man veechaar dhaekh breham giaanee koun girehee koun oudhaasee ||3|| Contemplate this in your mind, and see, O spiritual teacher. Who is the householder, and who is the renunciate? ||3|| ijs kI Awsw iqs hI sauip kY eyhu rihAw inrbwxu ] jis kee aasaa this hee soup kai eaehu rehiaa nirabaan || Hope comes from the Lord; surrendering to Him, we remain in the state of nirvaanaa. ijs qy hoAw soeI kir mwinAw nwnk igrhI audwsI so prvwxu ]4]8] jis thae hoaa soee kar maaniaa naanak girehee oudhaasee so paravaan ||4||8|| We come from Him; surrendering to Him, O Nanak, one is approved as a householder, and a renunciate. ||4||8|| http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=48381 point
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..best part where singh jhatkathe tamatar, foot bath on sink (vada bibeki)..lol..lol and then the part where he is doing grinding on kitchen top then singh say rehensbhai yo ..lol .lol..classic man..lol..!!!!!!!!!!!!1 point
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It upsets me when people say: "I have the utmost respect for Singhs but I couldn't marry one ..." What does such "respect" even mean? I could walk down the street and find any random stranger who respects a Sikh's right to practice their religion but wouldn't consider marrying one. Basically everyone on the face of the planet who doesn't have outright hatred for Singhs has the same level of "respect" for them that these girls speak of. And it's like they want a pat on the back for having such a view about their own people.1 point
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I agree. This is one of the biggest problems in the Sikh sangat everywhere (not just the UK). I know a lot of people aren't too worried about the survival of the Sikh sarup and just figure that religious people will continue to keep it while the less religious will not. But think of how common it is for a sardar to have sons who cut their hair and then think of how rare it is for a man who cuts his hair to have a son who keeps his. In other words, almost all of the traffic is going in one direction. Right now, I'm pretty sure that the majority of Sikhs cut their hair. But most families still have relatives (whether they are grandparents or cousins or whatever) who keep their hair. But if things continue at this rate, in 20 or 30 years that will no longer be true. Almost all families will consist entirely of people who cut their hair, and the only time that they will see men with beards and turbans will be when they visit Harmandir Sahib. This notion that keeping the Sikh sarup is something that only "priests" or "orthodox Sikhs" do (which has already caught on with most people) will then be set in stone. I know that some of you may look at this from a purist's point of view and say that it will be good that only the most devout will remain. But I think that in life we must strive to better ourselves even while we remain imperfect. The fewer Singhs there are, the more difficult it will be for even relatively religious people to maintain the sarup. While someone who would shed the Sikh sarup under certain circumstances may be imperfect, creating an environment that makes it easier for them to keep it will help them take one step closer to the Guru and continue to better themselves.1 point
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