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  1. I pray for his Chardi-Kala but can't help feel scared ... iykyk (deep sidhu, sidhu moosewala)
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  2. I think it is rehat to keep joora as mad-sees. maybe it's in rehitnama?
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  3. hmm I doubt he literally meant gurmat against bhai Gurdass vaaran!... did he actually say anything objectionable in the videos?
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  4. High buns were quite popular in that era. However, that high-bun look here is created with a dome-shaped jewellery known as a Saghi Ful, which was braided and secured in the hair. Married Punjabi women in the past wore this. Other than covering their head, some Sikh women also wore large white chadors. This practice used to be common in villages till some decades ago. These days the push has been towards women wearing turbans. I think many more women would be open to covering their head with scarfs/Dupattā than wearing a turban.
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  5. Some of them have jorra near top of their head and covered very well. Besides the keski/turban, The more concerning thing is : Why our Bibian does not cover their head. I found that more concerning.
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  6. Thats why Sikhi is fast declining in Punjab. These numbers are nothing to get excited over because when it increases in one country, it decreases in Punjab.
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  7. No the vast majority didn't wear any sort of turban/keski. A Panjabi Dupattā/Fulkari/scarf was the preferred head covering. A long plait, braids or a high or low buns were common hairstyles. 1890. A Sikh grandmother, her daughter, and granddaughters (Source: Bonham’s auction lot 306.) 1875. Amritsar. Sikh girls enrolled in a school Early depictions of women at Amritsar painted by William Carpenter in February 1854.
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  8. Great Insight! I guess it was because I was watching on youtube and the videos are edited and the experience of not being there makes a lot of difference. Chalaki-ness is like a scale. There are different levels of chalaki. My father used to call "anni chalaki" stupid crafty. Pakistanis are great at selling and sweet talking, they are experts at it. It's like it is built into their DNA. Hindus go on about Chanakya and his cunning, but I think the Pakistanis are the true descendants of Chanakya, which makes sense because he lived in what is now Pakistan. I think I have shown my natural Sikh flaw that many of us Sikhs have. Our nature is an open and inclusive one. This can be a strength as it has the ability to draw people together, however it also makes us susceptible to some of these manipulations. But thanks to yourself for highlighting this.
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  9. I went to Nankana Sahib yatra a few years back. I tried not to let myself get caught up in the occasion, so I watched, carefully, everyone around me, particularly the Pakistanis who were basically our guides over there, and the rest of them who did all the other smaller duties. Whilst they were all very respectful, saying all the right things, it didn't take a genius to work out it was nothing more than a job to them; a 9 to 5 per se. Sure, they were dilgent in their duties; they were very polite, flattering, and constantly smiled, etc., but it was almost rehearsed, like the staff at a theme park if you know what I mean. The Sikh female contingent that came with us were predictably falling over themselves to praise the "shardaa" of the Pakistanis at Nankana Sahib, while it was only a couple or so of the guys (around my age; 30s or so) who detected the faintest of disingenuousness beneath it all. Native Pakistanis are a whole other level of chalakhi compared to Native Indians if you can believe such a thing. The best way I can describe the Indian flavour of deviousness is when our elders refer to "anni chalakhi" (blind scheming / deviousness) whereby the cleverness is actually revealed to be an own-goal or stupidity that's not perceived to be this way by the schemer himself: that's Indian deviousness by and large. Retarded scheming. Pakistani chalakhi on the other hand is so, so authentic and... smooth! It's almost salesman-like. I don't completely discount your assertions about Sikhi and Gurbani having some sort of affect on the odd Pakistani here and there, but I think some of them have clocked on to the fact that easy YouTube money can be made by pandering to Indian Sikhs by reacting to Sikh content, confusing some of us into letting our guard down against them in numerous ways.
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  10. First you said this -; And then you wrote this-; So from saying we have to rely on others and we are doing nothing to then saying we are not doing enough! You should own up to your ignorance. We don't need to be chasing dodgy so-called descendants of Bhai Mardana, we should be producing our own scholars of Kirtan which the institutes you alluded to are already doing. The £20K these Mardana Project guys managed to get donated to them will be used to confuse Sikhs and try and eradicate the Sikh contribution to Kirtan and project these dodgy Mirasasi as the true heirs of our traditions.
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  11. of course, but not enough Singhs are trying to do this. I have seen Raj Academy, Jawaadi Taksal, Baru Sahib and Singhs interviewed on Mardana Project. Even with all those organisations and groups, it's still a small minority inside the visible sikh panth.
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  12. I think there is a ban on Muslims entering Nankana Sahib Gurdwara instituted by the Government and this could also be the case for other historic Gurdwaras in Pakistan. This is due to the security situation there. There is no doubt that many Muslims in Pakistan are moving away from Islam for a number of reasons. I sometimes watch Harris Sultan's youtube channel and although he is anti all religions, he does say that no all religions are as bad as Islam. Many Muslims write to him and tell him that they have left Islam due to his channel. As he said in one of his videos that the ONE thing that breaks many Pakistani Muslims adherence to Islam is when they come across the sex slaves issue. The vast majority of Muslims in Pakistan may have attended Madrassas and may even be able to recite the Quran but VERY FEW actually understand the meaning of the verses let alone read the Hadiths which contain the sayings and actions of Mohammed which inform Islamic law. They look to the Mullahs at the Mosque or the religious TV channels to explain the verses of the Quran. Due to the unearned and unwarranted praise that Muslims heap on Mohammed, claiming him to the 'mercy to mankind' and the 'perfect man' most Pakistani Muslims start from the position that Mohammed is unmatched in history. But that fake facade soon crumbles when they are taught what he actually did in his life such as allowing captured women to be raped by his followers as well as murdering the family of one Jewish woman and then marrying her the same night. Pakistanis like all of people of south Asia have a honour culture. If they are presented with the example that say if the Indian army invaded and captured Pakistan and then proceeded to murder all the men and then kept their wives, mothers and daughters as sex slave how would they feel? This comes as a shock to many especially as they have never been told this about Mohammed and they understand that such a person is very far from being a 'mercy to mankind'. Once the bubble of Mohammed's uniqueness and prophethood is burst then all the rest of the limitations of Islam slip into place. Now compare the character of Mohammed with the Gurus. If Pakistan Muslims are presented with a comparison of Mohammed who allowed his men to rape women and Guru Gobind Singh who forbade the rape of captured women in battle and made sure that they were sent back to their side in safety then it would be interesting to know what effect this will have on the normal Pakistani Muslim. Add to this the fact that even our enemies such as Qazi Nur Mohammed praised this aspect of our rules of warfare even though he referred to us as Sag or dogs. If we want to shatter the hold of Islam on the Pakistani Muslim and bring him/her to Sikhi then this is one aspect that we need to highlight.
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  13. Lots of communities appear to be weirdly obsessed with us.
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  14. These people truly have a weird obsession with us.
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  15. Read some of the comments on that video by RSS bandas
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  16. The naamdharis basically view Sikhs as a sect of Hindus.
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  17. I sometimes go to the Ramgharia Gurdwara in Slough, they have a statue of Jassa Singh Ramgharia, however I haven't felt any Ramgharia misl vibes from these gurdwaras yet, and instead feel more Kenya Singhs vibes... I see actual bana wearing Singhs including Nihangs in the Slough Singh Sabha gurdwara, I don't usually see anything similar in the misl named gurdwara with the misldaar statue.... I understand that to stand in the Ramgharia gurdwara committees you have to be from Tarkhan background, but would it not make more sense for them to be from Ramghria misl background?
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  18. Just posting this up to make it easier for sikhs to find out about how we are meant to celebrate Navratri and Dusshera. There is actually something similar for Diwali as well where Dasvin 10th Patshah actually uses the word 'Diwali'! Hopefully I will find it before Diwali. https://www.facebook.com/652447751445011/photos/navratri-and-dushera-are-days-to-do-shastra-puja-the-nine-nights-of-naurate-star/995158367173946/ Since this post contains content objectionable to some jathe, I guess you will need to lock this. However please at least leave this post up so sikhs know how to celebrate Navratri and Dusshera, and can see the historical quotes.
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  19. I don't think shastar puja is banned by sgpc as such.I just think sgpc don't put any emphasis on shastar pooja, or enough emphasis on shastar, since they have removed many sikh traditions, and don't focus as much on Guru Gobind Singh's bani. Singhs wearing bana were hunted via shoot-to-kill policy after the anglo-sikh wars. So Nihang Singhs had to emigrate, but perhaps there were pockets who were left behind, or they emigrated back when things calmed down? The Nihang Singhs' main body, Budha Dal, split from SGPC when SGPC was created. This was because the British demanded that Khalsa Raj will not be asked for, and this was included in the conditions when the SGPC committee was signed into being. So the Budha Dal split from those sikhs due to this betrayal to Khalsa values. This led to Budha Dal Nihang Singhs being beaten and put into jails, and of course being removed from Akal Takht by SGPC putting their women as a type of shield. There history sources available from when Nawab Kapur Singh combined the Khalsa jathas into Budha Dal and Tarna Dal, with Budha Dal being the main body to look after gurdwaras and administer khanda pahul Amrit to the whole panth. Jathedar Baba Sahib Ji Kaladhari - SikhiWiki, free Sikh encyclopedia. click on link about for more info on Jathedar Baba Sahib Ji Kaladhari
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  20. was sgpc right to ban shastar puja? why is nihang history so confusing, on one hand they were on verge of extinction during british raj and had emigrated to sri hazur sahib, during the other they were in control of gurudwaras like sri akal thakt from where they were kicked out of by sgpc and were involved in various morchas for sikh's rights while some say they were preventing dalits from entering sri darbar sahib when they came back from war can I get more info on akali baba sahib singh ji
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  21. SO a quick question. Why does the intermediate link go to a jatha based yotube page with jatha biased views? Would it not be better to go towards a link like Nanak Naam which the whole sikh sangat can go to, something the whole sikh sangat can agree on instead of doing the jatha bias this website is still known for?? Gurmat Bibek youtube can be weird sometimes, and just lack any enthusiasm compared to basics of sikhi and nanak naam! Seriously why don't they smile on that channel, why is there a lack of glow on their faces that normal human beings have, I have so many questions??!! I can't take them seriously, they look they are going to cry any second! Also they commit beadbi of Benti Chaupai on their channel by reading the Teja Bhasauria-cut version, cutting bani before Arril! If they read Benti Chaupai according to an excommunciated sikh, then how can their channel be called Gurmat bibek. Basics of sikhi and Bhai Jagraj Singh have santhiya and a higher understand of bani and gurmat. A sikh who has done santhiya will never cut out benti chaupai. It clearly shows the lack of sikhi understanding and spreading manmatt on their channel, please use good judgment before posting channels as intermediate!
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  22. I mean lack of santhiya is quite a big thing as it means their understand of bani may be limited. And just from listening to one bani on their youtube I feel I can judge they are lacking in santhiya, so again not something deserving of intermediate level on this forum. Also since they call themselves Sarblohi Singhs, I assume they claim to follow Sarbloh bibek, which requires water to be taken from a well. Would be interesting to see if they really do this. I know that some Budha Dal Tarna Dal Singhs in Canada follow a slightly different bibek due to lack of wells.
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  23. How do you find white girls without baggage of ex boyfriends, I think you normally have to find a teenager to find decent white girls? Prove me wrong... How does one find a "good" white girl who doesn't have any ex-boyfriends from dating? there is a difference between looking at social media and posting lots of pictures and videos of yourself, a huge difference Just going to ask again, how does one find decent white girls who aren't into dating and don't have ex boyfriends? Also doesn't do glassy?...
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  24. I am a regular reader of dasam patshah Di bani, uggardanti is one of my favourite bania, I would agree with you to an extent but actually put forward another view. Yes this is definitely praise of Sri Durga and not simply the kirpan - the of view of the praise just being a kirpan had truly come from people not wanting to go past their comfort zone. However I would say that "Durga" can definitely be seen on two levels. One is indeed the physical roop of Devi - this is the meaning of Durga throughout most of chandi Di vaar- a physical being fighting demons. Any regular reader of dasam bani will certainly develop a great amount of respect for Sri Durga as described in the bani at this point. Only those who don't read will find this confusing, but this is simply following guru Sahib's lead. The second meaning goes deeper and refers to the Kudrat or creative power of Vaheguroo - this is not limited to the physical roop of Devi however is mainly referred to using feminine language by dasam patshah. This is who is being praised in Uggardanti sahib. I would actually argue that one roop of this Shakti is in fact satguru jot - In fact this is the original roop of akaal purakh Shakti. This would go in line with the reference to "Vajeeran" . Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj is praising the guru jot just like in guru Granth Sahib jee, guru Sahib himself is writing but praising satguru. Another reason I believe this, I have always found it interesting that Vaar Sri Bhagauti Jee Kee (chandi Di case) begins with the names of guru Sahib while the rest of the bani is seemingly unrelated. I think the reason for including guru Sahibs names in vaar Sri Bhagauti Jee kee is because these are in fact the purest and most unadulterated, full and original saroop of Bhagauti (Shakti) in guru roop. It is this Shakti which is pargat inside the Devi form of Sri Durga. Other forms of this eternal unseen Shakti are what is behind Narsingh coming from the pillar to save prahlad, the power behind all avatars such as Sri Raamchandra, Krishan Jee etc. So the worshipful side is more for the internal Shakti beyond the physical, but we also admire the physical roop for fighting demons and protection of good. For example even some Hindus make such a distinction with Krishan Jee. They differentiate between Krishna as mentioned in bhagvad Gita and Krishna who fought in mahabharat war. One was a physical entity to fulfill a certain purpose, another as referred to in bhagvad Gita refers to the power behind him, paramatama. Ultimately it is Vaheguroo behind Shakti, it is Vaheguroo behind Satguru (no difference really, but Vaheguroo is behind the physical bodyroop). So it is Vaheguroo that we worship, not ever physical. Last point I want to make is I myself had spent a good many years misunderstanding nihang Singhs and their practices. Yes individuals may certainly get things wrong, but as an institution this is probably the most original form of sikhi in many ways, being passed down seems baseena through generations. We should be very careful before pointing fingers at nihang Singhs as a whole.
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  25. if anyone took time to read Chandi di vaar and chandichirataar slowly and carefully they realise that Guru ji shows that Chandi was the embodiment of nimrata and prayed to Akal Purakh to help give her the power and means to destroy the demons she was fighting . Chandi is the executive power of Akal Purakh through shastar to remove GU- spiritual ignorance and darkness from the world . She never looks for own worship or praise .
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  26. They are a bunch of fakes. Wannabe nihungs, but are sanatani. They do wrong arths of Dasam Baani just like missionaries do to support their views.
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  27. it could be used to out-hindu and out-maneuver the hindus. Tell them that khalsa is the true inheritor of sanatan dharm with Guru Nanak Devji as the Yug-Avatar. Tell hindus that they need a solid grounding...ie Gursikhi... to make the next great indic civilizations leap. Drill this in for a few decades and we might have slightly confused hindus who start believing and producing more of their own kind. voila...we've created a wedge in their umbrella-hindu model and taken the crown.
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  28. Just heard this on Panjab Radio this morning in the UK. There was a consultation on changing the name for Havelock Road, Southall - this is also where the famous Singh Sabha Gurdwara is situated (which you will sometimes see in media and some British TV movies and documentaries), there is also another popular Singh Sabha Gurdwara on Park Avenue in Southall - just explaining to avoid confusion. Here is an article from 2002 to show context with regards to Major-General Sir Henry Havelock and issues with the name of the street. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2003119.stm So anyway the radio station was congratulating everyone as it seems the name change has been approved! Just found some Singh Sabha Gurdwara facebook posts regarding this now: https://www.facebook.com/sgsssouthall/posts/2646454702122065 Also on the gurdwara Facebook story https://www.facebook.com/stories/1817655594943329/UzpfSVNDOjI2NDY0NDAwNTg3OTAxOTY=/?source=story_tray A few days ago in Bristol, a slaver trader's statue was toppled by the protestors. Yesterday, Robert Milligan was taken off plinth in London by the Tower Hamlets Council in East London. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/09/sadiq-khan-orders-review-of-all-london-statues-for-slavery-links It looks like these protests about #BlackLivesMatter which erupted due to the shooting in USA are also useful for sikhs. This is already helping in pushing the case for Havelock's name to be removed from the street in Southall, whereas before no progress was made. The uk will now be looking at colonial statues and memorabilia to see what can be removed. This is important as many of the colonial related people affected sikhs in negative ways! NOTE: I know protests are going on, but as it is COVID-19 Coronavirus pandemic, please be safe and observe social distancing. There is too much crowding at these protests, and could lead to increases in cases for the virus!
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  29. Get the OCI and if things start to look bad move before the real s4it hits the fan. Timing is key. My nana was born in Pakistan but moved to Indian Punjab in 1946 before the real hardcore violence started.
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  30. I think that really crudely characterises the man, and doesn't factor in how his political prowess and acumen obtained a super powerful, economically flourishing, militarily mighty state for Sikhs (and others) to live in, when in his own grandfather's time Sikhs were being hunted down and massacred in droves and had to retreat into the jungles or go to other states (and only Waheguru knows how many Sikh children were taken away as slaves during all this!). Yes, he wasn't a perfect man (who is?) but he put us on the map and showed us that at least one apna was capable of carving out a modern, powerful state - and that too surrounded by violent and hostile forces on all sides. And in an era of extremity and brutality, even his opponents had to concede that he had a very humane, compassionate nature. A bit more than just a horny drunk.
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  31. Apathy is still very high. Creature comforts have led to them being pacified even regarding issues that should've stirred them. When the tipping point does arrive, it will be a tsunami-like response. The biggest obstacle, imo, is the immense sway the media has over people, and its one-sided view of history.
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  32. The funny thing is that we were on the British side against the mutineers (rightly so, after what other Indians did against us during the Anglo Sikh wars). When you start playing the race card too much the majority community start becoming wary of you and this can effect things like employment opportunities, you get a reputation of being troublesome.
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  33. I am sure when sikhs and other people used to get married young, ie their teens - then their kaam didn't get to levels where they needed to "EXPLORE" their sexuality that is now in the media to the this gay culture. You got married and saw your partner for the 1st time when you were going to start your marital partnership, you didn't have a choice of what they looked like - but at the same time you were young and still growing mature so were able to adapt. It was not really anything to do with heterosexuality or homosexuality, it was more to do with having a grihast jeevan and following the dharam of family life. Now heterosexuals are also diseased in the mind not just homosexuals, the ages we are getting married at are causing us to become slaves of 5 vikaar including LUST and EGO. We bring so much lust and ego into choosing marital partners now, oh and a lot of people are bringing GREED into choosing marital partners as well.
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  34. Unless a Khalsa sikh, other sikhs would get married under different traditions. There weren't many Adi Guru Granth Sahib saroop during Guru Sahibs times, and they were all hand-written. It doesn't seem any ceremony called Anand Karaj existed before last century, some of the terms that did exist were Anand Viyah. So I don't feel how it is Kurahit....
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  35. serious what is this list about? why are no keertanis, parchariks including Basics of Sikhi and no dhadis on there? I am talking about under 30s. and they put non-sikhs on there, how do we make a mass complaint?
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  36. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4227408894432144253 "Let us sing the praises of Nanak, King of kings of both worlds The whole world is His temple, congregations sing sweet songs in His praise Millions of goddesses kindle holy lights in His honor All the gods sing psalms of His praises All wash His lotus feet The Sun and moon illuminate Him with their radiance He is garlanded with mountains of flowers The True Master, the fountain of Light is merciful to the poor The king of the winds fans Him while saints and sages meditate on His holiness The whole universe vibrates with His celestial song The bells ring out - Onkar Continuously illuminating the heavens He is one with God whose name is Truth In Nanak saints find their support Siri Chand, Nanak's son, declares Nanak is unattainable, unfathomable, unshakeable and pure Whoever sings Emperor Nanak's praises resides in heaven and achieves complete salvation Oh kind master: give protection to those who seek your shelter. Oh Nanak: You are the savior we are just your children" These beautiful words of praise for Guru Nanak are the words of Baba Siri Chand ji written in praise of his father, Guru Nanak and sung by him and the entire sangat as they welcomed the great Guru home from his third Udasi (world pilgrimage) with flowers and candlelight. Not only was there a great love and devotion between Baba Siri Chand ji and Guru Nanak, but over the 149 years of his life there was great love and respect with the ensuing five Sikh Gurus. Guru Nanak Dev ji left Baba Siri Chand ji in charge of Kartarpur during his later Udasis and following his final Udasi bestowed the dress and duty of Udasi (Pilgrim/Missionary) on Baba Siri Chand ji himself. Thus Baba Siri Chand ji was given the responsibility of uniting the various Sadhu samaj (ascetic schools) and integrating them with the "householders" (devotees who led a worldly life). Throughout his life he helped householder and sadhu alike. One could say that Babaji himself was a householder since he adopted and raised his nephew Dharm Chand ji and arranged his marriage. He directed all his followers to love Guru Nanak Dev ji and in addition to Arta composed "Guru Nanak Sahansar Nama" (1000 Names of Praise for Guru Nanak) praising Guru Nanak Dev ji in his cosmic form as "All pervasive, Creator, Master of the World". Babaji concluded his Matra Sahib, which is still recited today by all Udasis, with "I bow again and again on the feet of Siri Guru Nanak." It is a historical fact that all the Gurus loved and respected Baba Siri Chand ji. Guru Amar Das ji gave his eldest son, Baba Mohan ji to serve Baba Siri Chand ji. Guru Hargobind Sahib offered his son, Baba Gurditta, the father of Guru Harkrishan ji (7th Guru) to be Baba Siri Chand ji's devotee and successor. Baba Siri Chand ji gave the name "Amritsar" that is used today to the city that had been called Ramdaspur. And the place where Guru Arjan Dev ji waited daily for his meetings with Baba Siri Chand ji and his resting place are still marked by the historical sites of Thamb Sahib and Manji Sahib at the village of Barath. Babaji also gave water from his baoli (spring) for the Sarovar (sacred pool) at Tarn Taran. When Guru Arjan Devji recited the first 16 astpadis (stanzas) of his Sukhmani Sahib (Hymns of Peace) for Baba Siri Chand ji, Babaji appreciated them so much that he said there should be more.Guru Arjan Devji then requested Baba Siri Chand to give the opening lines of the 17th astpadi. So Baba Siri Chand, following his father Guru Nanak Dev ji's example, recited "Aad Sach, Jugaad Sach, Hai bhi Sach, Nanak Josi bhi Sach..." True in the beginning, Eternally True, God is True now and will always be True This line appears as given by Babaji in Guru Granth Sahib ji and is recited as bani today. The historical annals of Jehangir show that Baba Siri Chand was considered the Fakir of all Fakirs in India and had the greatest following of anyone at that time. While history is full of treachery and betrayal, Babaji did not take advantage of his position when Jehangir conspired to have Baba Siri Chand ji take over the Gurgaddi (the seat of the Guru) when Guru Hargobind Sahib was imprisoned in Gwalior. Babaji clearly told the Emperor that he had best free Guru Hargobind Sahib as the Guru was the true and rightful successor to Guru Nanak's throne. Other wise there would be grave consequences. The Emperor heeded his warning. The now famous Anandpur Sahib resolution of 1973, it was passed that all Udasis and Nirmalas who had been alienated from the Panth be reunited. Then in 1978 at the All India Akali Conference held at Ludhiana with Jathedar Jagdev Singh Talwandi presiding, Gurcharan Singh Tohra, President of the S.G.P.C.,introduced a resolution that Sikhs should recognize Udasis as an integral part of the Panth and passed unanimously in the presence of a sangat of over 400,000. Earlier in the year 1995 at the major conference called by the Jathedar of Akal Takhat, on the future of the Sikh Panth, Udasis were represented and spoke. The most convincing argument about Baba Siri Chand ji's greatness and the love and respect that existed between him and the Gurus is a spiritual one. We as Sikhs are taught and accept that the Light that is Guru Nanak Dev ji is the same Light which became Guru Angad Dev ji and passed from Guru to Guru until Guru Gobind Singh ji and ultimately became enshrined in Guru Granth Sahib. If Baba Siri Chand ji in any way found disfavor with his father Guru Nanak, how could the Light of Guru Nanak which became Guru Amar Das ji go to pay respect to Baba ji and offer his son in service?. How could the Light of Guru Nanak in Guru Ram Das ji and Guru Arjan Dev ji and Guru Hargobind Sahib show so much love and devotion to one whom the Light had rejected? And how could anyone who disrespected his father ever compose "Arta", a hymn of such praise in his honor?
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  37. I think one of the most comprehensive and well researched studies (that I've read) is by J. S. Grewal and S. S. Bal who wrote the biography in the 60s (I think). Sadly (in my opinion) the former author (a well known Sikh historian) went on to become quite overtly casteist later in life (he was best buddies with McLeod and has close contacts withe the SGPC). Maybe working with S. S. Bal restrained him a bit on that front in this work? I was after this book for over 10 years before I finally got hold of it online. It didn't disappoint. You can catch it here: https://www.scribd.com/doc/156868315/Guru-Gobind-Singh-a-Biographical-Study-J-S-Grewal-S-S-Bal
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  38. Read sooraj parkash, its available in english now from turiya charity. Also bhai vir singhs kalghidhar chaamatkar, idk if its available english
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  39. I am not sure if it is mentioned in Mahant Kirpal Singhs steek. i have heard this story many times about Baba Sri Chand Ji suggesting Guru Arjan Dev Ji to write 8 more Astpadis for the Sukhmani Sahib. I even used to tell others the story. But once i started to listen to the taksal katha by sant gurbachan singh and the gurmatveechar katha of sant kartar singh. Both mahapurkh state it never took place and the story was made to give a certain superiority to the udasi samparda to that of the orthodox sikh faith. The bani was created as people who are family orientated and could not do saas giraas 24 hours of the day so a benti was put foreward to the fifth nanak. Guru Arjan Dev Ji wrote the bani in accordance to the number of hours some say but at the time of the gurus the systems of hours were not in user but pahirs, gharis, thitis, etc If you read the first page of the steek by Sant Makhan Singh Ji Sato Gali Walae or listen to teh opening of the sukhmani sahib katha on www.gurmatveechar.com they explain how the bani of Sukhmani sahib has a certain amount of letters with and without the alphabet. representing the number of breaths a householder is said to use per day and the number of breaths the yogis state a person takes per day. Both numbers are different and Guru sahib kept both sanbandhs when making the bani. If they created only 16 astpadis and thought it was sanpooran for a person to gain the fal of a days saas giras but had to be told by another, it just does not sound right for 'Partakh Har Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji' Guru Arjan Dev Ji were not informed by Baba Sri Chand Ji to write more Astpadis as all was in the will of the Lord and he in his Sargun form knew all and created the Sukhmani Sahib in perfection with no other help. As i said you can find the audio i have mentioned below Gurmatveechar by Sant Kartar Singh http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/katha/0...mat.Veechar.mp3 Sukhmani Sahib Katha by Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/katha/k...FSukhmani_Sahib Sukhmani Sahib by Sant Makhan Singh Ji Sato Gali Walae http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/katha/k...i_Sahib_Viakhya I also do not belive it is mentioned in the katha by Giani Thakur Singh Ji i have sant gurbachan singh jis katha word for word written in pdf somewhere will try to get that up as well
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  40. re the Astpadia being written up to 16 is not true. If you read the sukhmani sahib steeks it is not mentioned and Sant KArtar Singh Ji Bhindrawalae talk about this point in their gurmatveechar recording
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